![amd-radeon-r9-290[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/q5m7h1o.jpg "amd-radeon-r9-290[1].jpg")
The RX480 performs around the R9 290/390 or possibly 390X mark for less initial outlay and better power usage.
WHOOPEE FUCKING DO!
Basically AMD has no upgrade path for those on slightly older cards like my current R9 290. Unless I want to run the risk of Crossfire and possible microstutter.
The rumor is there will be a RX490 which will still not perform as well as a 1070 but will come in at around $299 compared to the 1070's $380 price tag.
Again not really a massive upgrade there either. It's all about price per watt instead of price performance ratio with AMD. AMD really has no answer to Nvidia's offerings in competing on performance alone which is complete shit. AMD is only appealing to those who cannot afford Nvidia. I will wait to see the actual benchmarks but in a few months I may be switching to team green if AMD can't shit out a decent card. I don't expect to see a dual chip 480 solution either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ5wYVu-tM8
>>54900088
>I missed the entire point of Polaris: The thread
Polaris is entry level and mid range. High performance GPUs are coming out at the end of the year.
>OP actually is this retarded and butthurt
>>54900088
It's pretty clear to anyone with a brain that the 480 is never going to beat a 1070 or even be around 980 levels. It's gonna have it's advantage in some DX12 games and maybe some certain resolutions and settings, but it is going to be overall worse.
As much as nvidia are the jews in this, you cannot just devil 980 performance for 200 bucks.
>>54900088
>It's all about price per watt instead of price performance ratio with AMD
It has never been about this. Are you a fucking retard?
>>54900174
I mean in simple technical terms. I know in marketing terms it's just selling to the lowest common denominator. AMD aim for poor fags. Nvidia aim for richfags.
>>54900088
480 = 390x
What's wrong with that?
>>54900145
You underestimate technology.
>>54900088
>>54900145
>>54900419
Comparing flops between AMD and Nvidia cards are an exercise in futility, but between AMD cards is still reasonable.
RX 480 is confirmed to have a baseclock of 1266mhz with 2304 shaders. This results in 5.8 teraflops.
Note that is cut Polaris 10, full Polaris 10 has 2560 shaders, and was spotted with a 1350mhz core in a benchmark a bit back; this would give 6.9 teraflops.
390X, having a boostclock of 1050mhz with 2816 shaders, gets 5.9 teraflops.
Fury with 1000mhz boost and 3584 shaders, gets 7.2 teraflops
Fury X with 1050mhz boost and 4096 shaders, gets 8.6 teraflops
On the face of it the 480 is similar to the 390X, but a key detail is that Polaris was meant to bring large IPCPC gains, 40% was the number AMD gave prior.
Just doing a straight multiplication, gives an equivalent 8.2 teraflops for the RX 480, 9.7 for the uncut. Only a 23% increase, far short of the promised number, is required to match the Furys 7.2 teraflops; uncut at 8.5.
And remember, this is the baseclock, no one knows what the boost will run at; especially as by Patent 2016-0085551, filed in late 2014, AMD mentions that each Vector SIMD cluster (16 shaders) could clock at differing speeds as they adjusted between different loading sizes.
>>54900088
I'm using two 290x 8GB in Crossfire.
Scaling either works at about 175% FPS increase, or not at all. I've neither had nor saw microstutter this time around.
>>54901027
>I've neither had nor saw microstutter this time around.
>
>>54900088
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>>54901069
XDMA is bretty good tho
Am I the only person in the world that cares about cooler, quieter cards over sheer performance?
It's $199 and you don't even know how it will perform as no benchmarks have been made except this leaked one that shows it's on par with the Fury (C7 is the 480).
>>54901810
No, together we will wait for the non-reference cards, anon.
Why are nvidiots so scared of a midrange card? Go play with you 1070 or 1080 and stop being so insecure over a budget card.
>>54901810
I sure like cooler, quieter cards.
I was interested in upgrading my video card to the 285, until I decided I didn't like any CPUs that were on the market and wanted to wait for Zen.
I'm sure the power increase will be fine for me, given that I'm upgrading from an Nvidia 560 Ti.
>>54902001
>downgrading from nvidia to amd
Hahaha... stupid cuck
>>54900419
no 480 = fury (non x)
>>54900088
Dumb nvidiot, do you realise how slight of a market share the high-end (i.e. 1070-1080) actually represents?
The only people buying those overpriced fire hazards are autists who visit this website and obsessed gaymurs whose lives are so shit they have to retreat into their desktop dungeon with 5 monitors to keep from killing themselves.
>>54902838
>>54902894
cuck lol
>>54902038
>I'm sure the power increase will be fine for me, given that I'm upgrading from an Nvidia 560 Ti.
It should be at least 2x the performance for less power draw.
>>54900088
So why would you need to upgrade your R290/390?
Don't see it. Why would anyone go from 970 to 1070?
>>54900088
199$ or in Eurobucks probably 250€ plz...
>>54901824
>980 performance for 2 hundos
>1080 performance for 400 burger credits
>>54902952
yep, at least. the 8gb version will be 300+ euros.
also, someone can please explain me why we have to pay 36% more than US citizens for the same products?
do the US prices include VAT or??
Nobody knows the performance of the 480 yet. We don't even know if its a lower bin or not. We don't even know if it'll overclock.
>>54902990
*fury performance for $200
My Fury X awaits it's judgement in January, shall it become crossfired or replaced by vega? Only time shall tell!
>>54902998
VAT isn't included on the price on US sites.
You pay VAT after.
That's why everything looks cheaper.
>>54903017
What a fucking country
>>54903017
but still, how much is the price after vat. I doubt its more than 20%, yet the price difference is 36%
>>54903046
Import charges + shipping + US/EU conversion do the rest.
>>54902998
Because we don't live in pseudocommunist shitholes.
>>54903059
read >>54903017
how the fuck can you not include the VAT in the price of your purchase?
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120415065521AABon58
https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/21469/why-are-prices-published-without-tax-in-the-us
>>54900145
It's almost as if you get what you pay for
>>54903076
Every state has a different tax amount so they just exclude it from the stickers
>>54903076
In the US, in most states, you don't even have to pay any tax on an online sale if the seller and the buyer are in different states. So there is no VAT or whatever the fuck that is posted.
>>54903119
Why bother even having retail stores?
What a retarded law.
>>54901810
People doing that would just get APUs
>>54903089
maybe because taxes are different fro each state?
>>54903119
so, you dont pay any taxes on purchases? sounds like a consumer paradise
>>54903134
They're phasing them out already, it's much cheaper to just have a warehouse, a bunch of pajeets on tech support, an online form and some shipping deal.
>>54902998
It's still weird
At most Europeans pay 27% more VAT and thats in Hungary. Most country have around 20%
Now what don't get is so okay 250$ with VAT. Convert that into Euros and yo get 220€ but then all these faggots here in Europe add 30€ on top of that for some unknown reason! And then Card has 4 GB more ram let's make that 50€ more...
>>54903055
Import charges are probably the same. Shiping is the same since it's all made in Taiwain or China, US/EU conversion doesn't factor in because this is from China and not from the US.
If anything because of shipping it should be cheaper in Europe because Ships go like 12.000 km from China to West Coast and then the cards need to be shipped to the East Coast.
Menwhile You can go China Europe in 7000 km if you use the Suez Canal Deliver it in Italy and you're at the fucking center of Europe.
>>54903134
Good question. I guess they are still needed for certain products and for people that can't wait to buy an item. The law isn't stupid though. Interstate commerce is complex.
>>54903152
It depends on the state. Some states tax online sales, most do not. Most states have a sales tax (not VAT, just straight % tax on price at time of sale), but those vary by state. My state has no sales tax at all.
It can be a consumer paradise, but it can also suck because we don't have some of the consumer protections euros do. Caveat imptor
>>54903152
Sounds like you get cancer and die real fast because no Insurance
>>54903227
If you have money you have top notch healthcare.
>>54901810
No, I care about it a lot. I bought a 960 over a 380 for this reason.
>>54903227
stfu communist. you are supposed to care about your health yourself.
>>54903221
fuck dude, you just make me want to move to US. how can we make Europoor more like US?
>>54903152
the business is required to collect tax on behalf of the state it is in and if the business does not operate within your state's jurisdiction there isn't an obligation for the company to collect taxes for an outside government
people are usually required to report their purchases to their state to pay taxes after the fact but rarely do
>>54903232
I don't have them money. My mom got cancer and I got appendicitis and we're both alive and well and didn't spend 1$ on healthcare.
Thanks Europa!
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/05/27/from_ati_to_amd_back_journey_in_futility/
>In the simplest terms AMD has created a product that runs hotter and slower than its competition's new architecture by a potentially significant margin.
>>54903253
No thanks I'd rather not.
Just bought a used 980 to replace my 2 year old r9 290 for 315 eurodollars, did i do good ?
Also RIP freesync mode on my monitor
>>54903253
Stop electing leftist scum. Seriously, elect a few people that actually know how business works.
>>54903273
What a idiot.
>>54903269
so, you'd rather eat healthy and take care of your health and pay taxes for retards who dont do so and get ill?
well, you are not eurocuck for no reason
>>54903273
Nice sidegrade, you fucking dolt.
>>54903284
Still better than a 500€ 1070 :^)
>>54903273
enjoy the 8% performance increase
>>54903273
well, if you are in europoor, you did good. 980 cost right now 600 euroes in my local stores.
>>54903300
>>54903315
How ?
>>54903315
But less watt consumpion, in 5 years running at 100% for 24/7 the card will pay itself!
>>54903261
if you are poor, don't have a job, elderly, etc you are automatically covered
there really isn't a problem with insurance in the us, it is extremely expensive but if you are required to pay for it then you earn enough to afford it. the major issue is people decide they can save $500 a month by skimping and then have a heart attack and file bankruptcy so the state has to pay
>people are usually required to report their purchases to their state to pay taxes after the fact but rarely do
This, but I would add that the legal grounds for collecting sales tax on a purchase made out of state on the internet is shaky at best.
>>54903327
>WoW
How about using a relative performance graph with an average of 20+ games?
>>54903325
They are still 550€ here too
>>54903345
But i only play wow and to some extend arma
>>54903119
>>54903134
>>54903151
>>54903152
>>54903227
>>54903253
Not knowing that each state in the United States has to respect and acknowledge the others' laws.
I work in retail. My state, Washington, has high sales tax but if someone from Oregon or Alaska comes in wanting to buy something I cannot charge any tax on them due to acknowledging their state laws.
>>54903365
Oh for fucks sakes.
>>54903365
You have shit taste.
>>54903372
>I work in retail
Watch out guys. Big man coming through here.
>>54903334
The big problem with health care in the USA is the astronomical amount spent per patient for equivalent or in some cases lesser care
The other problem with health care in the USA is who pays, GM spent more on health insurance than steel last year, for example, spending $71 per man hour. Toyota, for comparison spends $47
>>54903372
I've never heard of this law. That is most likely just a Washington thing. In Massachusetts if you make a retail purchase you're paying the 6.25% sales tax. They don't give a fuck where you say you're from lel.
>>54903409
Nope. It's called the "Full Faith and Credit Clause" which is Article IV, Section 1 in the Constitution.
>>54903399
Blame malpractice lawyers for driving up the cost of healthcare in the US.
>>54903432
How about blaming private insurance companies for adding a layer of profit?
It's a dumb system
>>54903372
Your boss must hate you when I buy shit at your store. IIRC Oregon stopped reimbursing Washington for the sales tax exemption, you should have been charging us for a while now.
>>54903427
Nope, who told you that? If you're physically in the state making a purchase, they can tax you just the same as any citizen of that state. It's the physical presence that's the key to all of this.
https://hardforum.com/threads/from-ati-to-amd-back-to-ati-a-journey-in-futility-h.1900681/page-31#post-1042333971
>My sources at AMD tell me that the Polaris 10 is coming up very short in the clocks department.
IT'S OVER, AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT
>>54903427
>>54903372
Before you call me a liar here >>54903474 read your own state laws retard.
http://dor.wa.gov/Content/FindTaxesAndRates/RetailSalesTax/Nonresidents/default.aspx
>>54903498
"sources"
Its basic fucking math, and there is nothing wrong with that regardless. High IPC architectures do not need to target high clocks.
>>54903498
>Believing the GHz myth
It's not the 90s anymore
>>54903409
6,25 % sales tax. thats litearlly nothing compared to europoor, wehere most countries have above 20% vat.
so its confirmed, we are the fucking SSSR. long live comrade Merkel
>>54903399
I remember when I was a kid in the 90s my parents paid $40 a month for a family of four and that was the premium plan with no deductible. don't know what that would cost now but I'd guess something like $650
>>54903528
But you guys have "free" healthcare, remember?
>Price per watt
Aside from the electricity bill, should I care about this?
>>54903547
I'm young you fucking asshole. I havent been to the doctors in decades.
The only thing I would need health ensurance for is for fixing my teeth, but it doesnt get covered so I have to pay for it myself.
>>54903564
>young
>decades
>get off my lawn
>>54903528
Hungary reporting in with 27% sales tax! Who is the biggest looser? We are! WoohoOO
>>54903564
>europoor this buttfrusrated
>>54903564
Free healthcare is a bad joke. I literally almost lost my dick to some bad urologist. I almost never visit a doctor despite being pretty unhealthy myself because I'd rather die in a ditch than let these people make me suffer even more.
>>54903564
Complain to your local elected representative, if you even have those in whatever socialist bureaucracy you call home, don't call me an asshole for just bringing the banter m80
>>54903572
28 is young bro. I havent been at least 5 years by now in any doctors office (except private dental care, which I paid for myself, since the communist dental care sucks)
>>54903594
>28 is young
>>54903590
sorry bro, it just triggers me every time.
>pay taxes
>take in refugees and pay for them and their children
>cant save up money (because of lower wages)
>rent goes up due to higher demand
>have free healthcare, yet have to pay for private dental care
I wish there was no internet and I wouldnt even know in what kind of a shitplace I live.
>>54903332
I couldnt give half a damn about power consumption
>>54900088
>no benchmarks
>>54903680
I think he was being sarcastic.
>>54903498
This "article" is a straight up embarrassment. The first page of forum posts is filed with cock sucking for Kyle. Wonder if anyone calls him out and lives to tell the tale
>hot
>underperforming
>low clocks
>late
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/05/27/from_ati_to_amd_back_journey_in_futility
AMD, died 2016-2017
>>54903268
Fuck off Kyle
>>54901011
If it ran at anywhere near gtx 1070 speed not only would they not shut up about it they'd be charging $300+.
390x/980 speed is the only thing that makes sense for the 8gb card at $230.
I even suspect that reason they announced cut Polaris first is that 40cu rx 490 still isn't as fast as 1070 and wouldn't make nearly as hype of an announcement at $300, as $199! $199! while showing benchmarks with the more expensive 8gb variant.
Can't mods just ban this hardocp spamming faggot?
>>54903625
Not him but i agree, 28 has only recently passed the "im legally adult but reality is different" age.
In my opinion 20-30 years old man is youn guy and after he passes 30 he moves into man age
>>54903701
>>54903498
>>54903268
>he keeps posting it
>>54903273
Man that's beyond retarded you should've listened to the wait meme until at least Vega comes out, the r9 290 would've served you perfectly fine for the time being.
It's a jump to a smaller lithography so no matter which brand you choose, you should upgrade to the newer gen.
>>54903772
It's got it's own thread now but it'll just keep being posted all over the place
>>54903268
Daily reminder that Kyle is a butthurt faggot who should off himself.
>>54903772
Haha, just accept it cuck your company is dying in the next 6 months
>>54903869
>dying in the next 6 months
how would this benefit you if you werent a stockholder of intel/nvidia??
even if you were, no competition from AMD would just halt the development of faster hardware and intel/nvidia would just slowly milk you.
anyways, gonna buy 390x or 480 this time. depends on the price/performance
>>54901011
2048 shaders was confirmed for the "RX 480" 2.048*2*1.266= just under 5.2TFLOP/s
While there are reports of 2560sp parts being shipped, and rumours of 2304 sp console parts, and purported 2304sp sisoft benches, there is no confirmation yet, and we have been shown just 2048sp Polaris.
Now, if a 2560 shader part is indeed released, it will be close to or above $300 and will be roughly 20-25% faster unless it uses GDDR5X (unlikely), in which case it might be 25-30% faster, reaching 1070 territory (at higher power draw) for just a little under the 1070's MSRP
The only thing that's nearly certain is a pitifully almost-not-different 2304sp part, because of the sisoft tests, and that is rumoured to be volume product for Apple's deals with AMD
>>54903894
Being this much shill..
>>54903903
2/10 apply yourself
>>54903896
You're posting pure bullshit.
Polaris 10 has 36CU. A CU is still 4x16 SIMD lanes. AMD explicitly stated 36 during their Computex presentation.
gtx 760 wasn't an upgrade path over the 760 either, sometimes the big cards don't come out first.
>>54903929
whoops meant 750 ti.
>>54901027
I use a 285 and 380 in crossfire, zero stutter. Crossfire works 90% of the time.
Both cards and my overclocked watercooled(240mm radiator with 6000RPM delta fans) 9370 are crunching numbers for seti@home.
I live in a fucking oven.
74 outside, 85 inside, A/C set to 79. There is no logic in this place.
>>54902998
USA doesn't have a VAT. Depending on where you live and who you buy the card from there may be a 4-8% state sales tax, but if you get it shipped that often isn't included.
The level of damage control by nvidia shills.
Even if the 480 will perform on the level of a 390x that's excellent value for 200 bucks. Of course nvidiots like to be shekeled. They paid 1000 for Titan X and now a 400$ 1070 will perform on the same level.
>>54903896
you typed up all that shit and you were just completely wrong
>>54903372
The state could charge them the full rate if it wanted because states have the power to regulate intrastate commerce. That person is in Washington buying something from a business in Washington. Residence wouldn't matter from a legislative power standpoint
>>54903928
Cap my shit.
Here's more
I'm expecting highly binned RX480 units to clock to 1.77Ghz at 1.2 volts. At this stage the card can match a 1070, but lose on even a mild overclock. A more typical overclock should be 1.6Ghz, 6.5TFLOP
At this frequency and voltage the 480 would be able to draw 230 watts, maxing out 8pin + pci power delivery
>from a 135w actual power draw average, not AMDs "tell them the maximum thermal dissipation possible not the average"
Beyond 1080 power draw in golden samples for less than 1070 performance.
Vega better come faster than October.
>>54900088
And the point of your juvenile rant is .. ?
>>54904004
half the price of it tho toot toot
by the way, what university did you waste your life at to make such wild guesses at power draw without knowing base clock, voltage, or base power draw?
>>54904004
You literally didn't even watch the presentation you dumbshit.
RX 480 is 36CU, 2,304 ALUs. At a core clock of 1150mhz it has 5.2TFLOPS compute power, with a peak boost clock of 1200mhz it has up to 5.5TFLOPS.
No GCN card will ever target high clocks because the pipeline is too short. You're just trying to pull specs out of your ass because you saw some Pascal specs and think that Polaris needs to have equally high clock speeds. You're a fucking tech illiterate retard.
Tech. Illiterate. Retard.
>>54904053
oh hey 1150mhz guy is back
https://www.techpowerup.com/223043/amd-radeon-rx-480-clock-speeds-revealed-clocked-above-1-2-ghz
>>54904053
>>54904067
might add, I'm not the fuck you're replying to.
I think you're both retarded, it ain't gonna get a 40% OC
>>54904053
>No GCN card will ever target high clocks because the pipeline is too short.
To be fair Tahiti could OC by 30%+
I have this thing right here and a tight fucking budget.
Shall I stay with it until it dies or drop it like it's hot and go for this?
>>54904067
You're still laughably stupid, you can't do simple math.
Its doesn't have a stock clock speed north of 1200mhz or AMD would have stated as much. Compute throughput is a fucking simple equation. Up to 5.5TFLOPS means it does not have a clock speed over 1200mhz.
>>54904112
So what's it's clock, according to TFLOPs and ALU count?
>>54904048
I'm taking informed guesses based on known process characteristics and having owned several of both companies last couple gen cards, using knowledge of how they behaved.
I was wrong about the CU count, but a simple formulae for calculating power requirements has existed for at least 20 years.
TDP(or regular old power draw) times ( new frequency / old ) times the square of (new voltage / old) = OCd power draw
In this case 135 * (1770 / 1266) * sqr(1.15 / 1.050) = 233w
>>54903942
TDP of well over 600 watts, 100% usage. 24/7
Those fans are rated at 64db of sound. Each fan uses about 30 watts and is about as loud as a vacuum cleaner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uae4l1lNuYc
>>54904108
Stay with it until you see RX 480 benches, or wait for vega.
You could go with green team as well, but I'm biased to red.
>>54904145
maybe I'll wait, it's just that I'd love to sell this thing before no one wants it.
Problem is, for such price there don't seem to be good alternatives on the nvidia side (even though I'd gladly consider it)
>>54904129
Exactly what I just stated.
1150mhz works out to 5.2TFLOPS. A figure that was verbally throw around all their demo stations.
1200mhz works out to 5.5TFLOPS which fits AMD's advertised upper limit in their own internal slides.
>>54901011
40% IPC is for Zen you retard.
Perf/watt is the Polaris claim.
so should I sell my r9 390 and switch to this before it's too late and the price drops?
>>54904182
If you can make money on it, yes. Otherwise wait and see. It's not worth anticipating performance and reliability.
>>54904167
That's a considerably lower clock than I was expecting considering the move to FinFETs, it'll probably be a decent overclocker(15-25%)
>>54904195
>it'll probably be a decent overclocker(15-25%)
Nobody know that. They might factory overclock it to the limits for better base performance
>>54901824
you mean its the 480X
>>54904135
To add to that I fully believe in the 1266 core clock.
It is simply 1050 (the typical stock speed of the latest AMD arches) times 1.2, or 20% faster.
It's a perfectly simple, logical number AMD may have chosen which balances clock speed boost and efficiency boost metrics made available by the shrink to 14LPP
>>54904174
at the previous Polaris talk they said 40% for Polaris as well m8
>>54904195
14nm LPP supporting higher fmax than 28nm HPP does not mean that every arch fabbed on it will clock significantly higher. Ultimately how an arch clocks is dependent upon the arch itself, just look at how long POWER variants have been pushing clocks higher than 4ghz. 65nm POWER6+ reached 5ghz, and SKUs were sold with those clocks.
The test logic used in pic related that these figures are based on is a section of an ARM core's FPU. It is not the rule for all 14nm LPP designs.
>>54901011
Remember that there's much more then just the GPU that decides the speed of your card. memory bandwidth, speed, etc etc will play a huge role.
They might very well have succeeded in getting that 40% IPC gain, however, the bottleneck might be elsewhere.
We're not in a position to verify that
>Nvidia reaches 2000mhz core clock
>AMD can barely hit 1200
How does AMD even hope to compete?
>>54904270
man those Pentium 4's were some good shit; those beef ass pipelines mang
>>54904270
>>54904135
power characteristics change with every single architecture and process change.
You have no information about either except for a TDP (which != power draw), a potential clock speed, and the voltage of a much smaller chip.
>>54903245
>I bought a 960
what a fucking idiot
1266 / 2 = 633
1266 / 2000 (memory bus) =
.633
1266*.63333*2=1600
Overclocker sweet spot for P10 is ~1600Mhz
7.37 TFLOP
205 watts
36 GFLOP/w, OCd
38.5 GFLOP/w (assuming 135 watt typical draw)
>>54904317
Yes, and?
The differences are documented by the fabrication factories. It's fairly easy to track fab shrinks and correlate them with power+clock increases among many types of chips.
>you have no information besides
6+ years of watching AMD state their TDP limit considerably higher than the real power draw.
>>54904373
>AMD state their TDP limit considerably higher than the real power draw.
This.
AMD typically lists the standard power limit instead of a typical power draw on load.
Intel and nVidia list TDP as an average power draw under load, which is much less than the maximum power draw.
The only way I can get my FX-8320 to exceed 125W is to HEAVILY overclock it, and even then it only draws 125W under maximum load.
Why are people so adamant that this is a 150W chip? Can't you take a look at a single 6-pin? 150W +/-20% would be its usage under power viruses.
>>54904417
Where do you idiots pull this shit from?
AMD considers GPU TDP to be "typical board power."
Stop pulling shit out of your asses.
>>54904451
Because a 275 watt rated 290x pulling only 225-235 on average says otherwise.
>>54904451
Because a 150w rated 370 only pulling 120-30 says otherwise
>>54904471
>Hawaii HOUSEFIRE
>pulling 230
More like 330W lol
>>54904451
Do some research, unless your aim is just to shitpost.
>>54904488
If you can run dual 290x off a 650 watt it definitely isnt usinf >300w
>>54904206
C7 have been identified as RX480.
>>54904519
What's C9 then?
>>54904537
Cloud Nine, they draw the frames by hand in MSpaint.
>>54904451
>he fell for the power efficiency meme
>>54904745
>a fully unlocked, overclocked card has higher power draw than cards on a more efficient processing node
No fucking shit Sherlock.
>>54904745
>People buy 600W GPUs
>Even a Titan X system only needs 300W while gaming
>>54904800
*600W PSUs
>>54904800
I buy stronger PSUs to keep them at their optimal efficiency curve, which is 50-60%
So what the hell am I supposed to buy? 2 rx 480s for 400 or a gtx1080 and watch 200 bucks fly away for name branding? This is so frustrating.
>>54904866
I think the RX480 is going to be an amazing product, I will buy it immediately
>>54904892
I agree
>>54904895
You agree with yourself? Well that is important.
>>54904906
I agree with raj
I was going to buy a 480 but then I remembered:
>AMD GPUs usually take months after release to get a decent driver
>Devs are still doing this Nvidia gameworks bullshit
>Linux support is terrible, AMDGPU only supports GCN 1.2 at the moment
And it brings me down man, it brings me the fuck down. But it's the poorfag choice I guess.
>>54904932
>Gaming GPU
>Linux
As if they give a shit about Linux.
>>54904956
I don't do gaming on linux, but I still want a card capable of running current games without issues to handle a fucking desktop without stuttering like a little bitch.
I mean maybe I'm not looking at it right, but at the very least I had the impression that if your hardware was capable of handling the next unoptimized trashy AAA release that was used for benchmarks here and there, it would also be capable of dealing with Gnome 3 with animations enabled.
At the rate games are going, alongside being content with a 1920x1200 U2410, I'm honestly expecting my Fury to last another few years like the 7970 it replaced, especially if DX12 and Vulkan take off. The new batch of fuckhuge GPU's look like they're only really catering to people that absolutely must have 4k, and offer no benefits to those in the 1080p ballpark compared to the current high-end
>>54904999
The only thing benefitting 1080/1440 users this gen is a faster clock because of the die shrink and better compression methods. AMD also has that primitive discard unit, which should put them somewhat closer to parity in shader-to-shader comparisons with Nvidia.
>>54904999
They've yet to release the new high end, Vega, but at the same time their new low end card is demolishing their old line up. It's the poor mans fury.
>>54904932
https://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Published-AMD-GPU-PRO-Beta-Driver-Linux
I'd take that back
>>54900088
The reason why people are so hyped for the 480 is because there is a huge market of people who are perfect fine with 1080p for a long time to come. 4k and VR are still a bit of a meme and overpriced. This huge market just wants a reasonably priced card (aka a card that doesn't cost more than an entire console) that will max out everything for the next few years at 1080. AMD released exactly what these people wanted, even if it isn't objectively better than what Nvidia showed.
>>54905111
Yeah, for a handful of cards. Let's see how long it takes for them to support the 480.
>>54900088
Then wait for the 490/x. I guess it would cost around the same as the 290 did then and will probably perform better than a 1080 after its received its annual gimping in a year or so.
>>54904206
c7 is the 480 dumbass
>>54900145
>480 will never be 980 levels
>390 on par with 980 these days
>480 said to be just as powerful as 390
RX480 = 290/970 - 390X/980
~90w
Makes sense. Not quite as high as "better than 980" but still decent enough.
All these memes. 480 is not even close to 390x performance.
Wrong. It performs at 980 levels (pregimp -- i.e. in a year it'll outperform by way more). Some benchmarks put it past the 980 as well. I reckon with proper drivers it'll trump the 980 and/or 390X in some (many) games/applications.
You'd be sure the 490 is a beefy upgrade. Besides, it's vega that will compete with the 1070/1080 that is due between August-September.
I don't quite get why you're so bothered.
>>54901011
So you're saying you don't approve of Fury X tier performance for $199?
>>54905943
Stop
>>54904537
Well for starters that's a 4.
>>54905980
Too good to be true but I think AMD finally did something akin to a paradigm shift. The future is now.
>>54904537
C4 is the 4gb version.
>>54905877
t. owner of a 480 that has done countless benchmarks
>>54904745
The RX480 will draw on average around 90 watts during gaming. 2 x RX480 around 180 watts.
>>54904174
>>54904213
its one of the finfet advantages sheets, you get X performance or X power savings by just a node change.
>>54905482
in dx12, they very well could beat a 1070 if dx12 is not hampered in any way, but i doubt it.
in dx11, what damn near every game so far is made on and what should be 75% of the reason to buy a card (remember the adoption rate of dx10, how long dx11 took for dx11 only games) and its likely amd will be behind, if only due to drivers.
will they ever fix them and get them on par with nvidia... no, i don't think its possible with amd architecture.
>>54902848
we will know in late june... things were weird in the benchmarks that i want to see people explain.
>>54900088
just wow. everyone whines about the price per watt for years and know amd gets shit being efficient. screw the rumors and wait.
wanting go to team green after a horrible 900 series + 970 frauds + gameworks and other shit which should be open source.
>>54904108
stay with it. you are getting the nice perf increase of dx12 nvidia cards will never see.
>>54907466
>>54904108
on the 280, no, the 480 i believe is a massive improvement if the synthetics and comparing amd to amd is valid. you will get a fairly massive improvement, but i would still wait on third party benches (not compared to nvidia, but compared to what you have)
i have a 280x and will likely upgrade to stock cooler for the extra heat dissipation i could get out of it, along with the hardware decode as currently those codecs rail my system hard.
>>54903540
650, jesus thats not even close
for me alone a 750$ plan would still have something like a 2-4000$ deductible.
>>54907406
No it won't, AMD's DX12 advantage comes from its ungodly large number of shaders/ALU/TMUs and high bandwidth compared to Nvidia, Polaris is a midrange card in everything, including hardware unlike Hawaii.
>>54907736
whatever you say, amd cant touch nvidia no matter what it does or what it shows, even when nvidia gets worse performance in dx12, and the 1080 matches a furyx, the less powerful 1070 will still crush the card that should be on the level of a fury non x.
>>54907819
Why don't you shut the fuck up and wait for benchmarks. Besides, the 480 is NOT A 1070/1080 COMPETITOR FUCKING GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK FUCKING HEAD jesus christ
>>54900145
Its literally has 980 results in Ashes in DX11 mode.
>>54904108
Sell this fast. Get RX 480.
![perfrel_3840_2160[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/APDHcUC.png "perfrel_3840_2160[1].png")
>>54907406
>>54908106
Only 25% faster? Not that stellar, 980Ti can overclock much better as well so the difference would drop to 15% when both are OCd
Only real advantage of 1080 is power consumption.. And nobody gives a shit about 100 watts.
>>54908148
An overclocked 980ti gives like 5% less performance compared to a 1080 if properly benchmarked (case not open bench).
Everybody with a 980ti is fucking fine.
>>54908212
Sometimes its even faster.
>>54907849
This. Comparing a $200 gpu and $400 gpu is like comparing $20 earbuds and $50 quality headcans.
>>54908253
carmack's shitty engine running opengl shouldnt be taken into consideration about anything when comparing different things
>>54908306
>carmack's shitty engine running opengl
It's pretty good when you want to migrate from consoles to different OSes on desktop hardware.
IdTech 5 was ahead of the hardware not the other way around, GPU memory sucked back when Rage came out.
IdTech 6 proves this (it still uses MegaTextures)
just edit your settings to use a bigger page file and you get no texture pop in
>>54908306
Okay.
Just sold my R9 390 and now deciding if I want to return my 1440p 144hz freesync monitor I bought recently off Amazon. I'm thinking of going 1070 and getting a non-gsync 1440p/144hz monitor, or I can go with the 480 and sell that when Vega come closer and keep my freesync monitor.
I liked freesync a lot and gsync being expensive as fuck I don't know if I want to go with nvidia again. Went from GTX 480>R9 390>???
At this point what would you do?
>>54905927
Vega release keeps getting pushed up on /g, from Feb/March > Oct > now August. If anything comes out in August it will be 40cu Polaris.
>>54909698
>Selling your freesync monitor
>Buying a non g-sync 1440p 144hz monitor
So you want to sell your freesync 1440p 144hz monitor to buy another one? You know there is not a single 1440p monitor that does not use one of the two technology? You do not make any sense.
>>54900088
I should be fine with a 390 for the next couple years, at least until the cards after these, right?
>>54910468
Depends on what settings you're playing at and what sort of performance you can expect.
Not that guy but I'm already not fine with 2 290X.
>>54903365
then why did you even upgrade. r9 290 handles WoW at 60fps. who gives a fuck about an increase after that.
>>54909698
Why the shit do you need to sell your 1440p 144Hz monitor just to buy another 1440p 144Hz monitor? That's retarded as fuck. You can literally burn the money and that would still be a smarter decision.
>>54901810
You are not the only one
Bought this silent hd7750 years ago, a bit overpriced at its time, but it's keeping up nicely so far. Of course it's not high end, but it works for the games I play. Cities Skylines and CSGO work fine.
On another note, Sven Coop, a Half-Life 1 based game stutters in certain areas. But that is not limited to low end cards...
>>54900088
Actually it performs more in line with the 980 and Fury line according to benchmarks and the WSJ
>>54910279
Typo, meant 2160p/60hz. Mainly for GIS work it would be nice. But for the same price I went with a 1440p freesync monitor since I already had a 390. Actually looking now the same 4k monitor I was looking at is cheaper than the ASUS 1440p one I bought right now.
>>54910540
Return, not sell. In case you didn't realize you lose precisely $0 when you return a product. By the time the 480 comes out I can get a 1440p/144hz monitor cheaper than what I paid or get 2160p/60hz if I feel like it. That or go gsync if I get a nvidia card. Even if I returned and rebought the same monitor in a month I'd lose $0.
The idea is to give options. If I sell both my GPU (I already did) and monitor I am open to any combo I want. Money isn't really an issue, if I decide to go nvidia it will also be because I've accepted the cost of gsync.
