Why does /g/ have regular AMD vs nVidia flamewars?
Better question - why are you a fan of a graphics card vendor in the first place? It's a fucking graphics card. Buy whichever one is fastest at the price you're willing to pay. The End.
The problem is that Nvidia is a market dominating quasi-monopolistic company that does all sorts of shitty things but usually has the better products. This means people want AMD to succeed but often don't want to buy AMD.
Meanwhile, Nvidia shills the living fuck out of this place with bullshit like >drivers
Because there's a lot more that goes into buying a GPU.
Performance varies in different games, engines and technologies.
Features.
Software.
Cooling/Noise/Power consumption.
>>54896932
(I'm still bitter at Nvidia's faultily designed and specced graphics cards melting laptops and them never owning up to it and fixing it. That shit is basically inexcusable)
>>54896840
choosing your gpu brand is choosing your games graphics ethics
Identity politics and easy bait. That's it.
I prefer AMD's more open approach, but it would be silly to disregard whatever Nvidia has. In fact, if the 480 really is between the 980 and Fury, then there's no reason to pick anything other than a 1070 for the high end and a RX480 for everything else. Buying a 1080 is absolutely retarded.
>>54896840
To justify buying your purchase to other people duh!
>>54896840
I can't really understand, I assume it's because the cards are "expensive" and retards feel the need to defend their decision of getting a certain card.
Because of /v/irgins wjo use clover
>>54897683
>>54897863
Manchildren (and actual children) buy 800$ Nvidia cards to boost their ego.
Paid shilling to market the new cards. Hide, report, and move on with your life.
>>54897885
hey fuck you
>>54896936
This. And both nvidia and amd products outclass each other in different fields. Nvidia has power consumption and heat down pat, while amd has more horsepower.
>>54896932
Okay than just buy the non-market leader and miss out on maybe 5% potential performance as a result. The End. It's not as if you're going to be left with an unusable computer or something.
>>54896936
Okay, you have introduced some reasonable alternative criteria. So just use that alternative criteria to pick a fucking card. I still don't see where "AMD SUX: and "NO VIDYA" enters into it.
>>54896936
>>54898080
Real reason: /g/ has autism.
Because its fun. Why to people flame over sports teams?
It's the unholy trinity of shitposting, shilling, and general retardation
>>54896840
/g/ always had /v/ gaymers overlap. All the build, battlestation, speccy, headphones threads as well as occasional gaymer laptop and tech support threads are all /v/
I'm pretty sure all the browser wars and shitposting are also /v/
>>54896840
They don't, Nvidia is better, end of story
you can't have a flamewar when there is literally empirical evidence that the GTX 1080 and 1070 are the best price per performance graphics card to exist in human history
plus, other graphics cards manufacturers are irrelevant anyways
The only people who fight over AMD vs Nvidia are 13 year old gaymer children who's mom bought them a midrange AMD card
In real world applications like Autodesk, Nvidia is unmatched
In videogames, Nvidia is unmatched
there is literally no logical reason to buy AMD
>>54896840
>Buy whichever one is fastest at the price you're willing to pay. The End.
It's always Nvidia.
>>54896840
It's a fanboy thing. Basically, people spend a bunch of money on something, and to make themselves feel better, they try to convince themselves they made the right choice by shit talking the options they didn't chose.
>>54900620
Nvidia shill detected.
>>54900723
>>54900762
More Nvidia shills detected
>>54900823
>>54900844
nvidia shill detected
>>54900853
I think your shill-o-meter is a bit off mate.
>>54900892
Not even.
>>54900915
Nvidia shill detected!
>>54897956
Good thing I bought a 5000$ nvidia card then.
>>54900823
>>54900844
>>54900853
>>54900915
>>54900915
samefaggot detected
>>54900921
Nvidia shill detected.
>>54896840
>flamewars
kek
>>54900915
That doesn't mean anything, every web browser allows you to edit the page allowing you to create whatever doctored images you like.
>>54900965
I know that but I'm not a fag that does that. Only spastic samefags do that when they're called a samefag
>>54896932
>Meanwhile, Nvidia shills the living fuck out of this place with bullshit like >drivers
THIS, I was banned for 24 hours because a mod got butthurt when I proved him wrong about >drivers
>>54901290
>>54896932
I know what you mean. AMD drivers are so advanced that even when not gaming they enhance productivity by giving you enhanced mouse pointers
>>54896840
Almost every board is bound to have flamewars about something. It's just human nature. You can't escape it.
Nvidia are shills and have shitty business practices and regularly fuck over AMD users by paying companies to do it.
AMD has less performance but arent shady and are open source yet /g/ wants them to go backrupt.
this is why
>>54901364
Fuck you.
I get this on my IntelHD laptop on Win7.
>>54901364
I've never heard of that meme before, but nice one.
>>54901391
Yeah its a good meme.
>>54901364
No, anon that's a windows thing. Nothing at all to do with AMD in any way.
>>54901402
>its a good meme
, and that's all it is.
>>54901415
if that helps you justify your love for a corporation, ok
>>54901376
>Waaaah! Nvidia and Intel wont play fair!
>>54901433
see
>>54901390
>>54901409
It's a Microsoft problem.
>>54901409
windows, with intel and amd.
>>54901402
>>54901433
>>54901453
try to recreate that bug in Fedora, Ubuntu or any major linux distro, I dare you.
(VMs inside Wangblows don't count)
>>54901461
its exclusively a windows problem. that nvidia doesnt have. yet amd does.
moving the goalpost on me?
>>54901474
IntelHD 3000 has this problem as well.
>>54901474
No, goalposts are still where they were, but whatever helps you justify your love for a corporation.
>>54901461
Try to use amd with any of those distros.
>muh open source drivers
That are literally compete shit
>>54901502
No, use FGLRX.
>>54901502
FGLRX is comfy on my fedora PC. Smooth and stable.
>>54901494
i have no doubt of that. intel and amd are both known to have bad drivers.
>>54901515
i've had better luck with those open source drivers. despite them having less compatibility they actually install.
>>54901540
Funny enough, I've never had a problem with FGLRX as long as I get it from AMD, and not the distro repository.
>>54901550
i've genuinely had FGLRX fail to install on the newest version of ubuntu once. it seems the FGLRX installer is extremely picky. i wouldn't dare try it on debian or slackware after that. so, better luck with the open source one. never had problems with nouveau or nvidia official though.
>>54896840
/g/ is /v/ for adults.
gpu wars remplace console wars
>>54896932
It's funny how AMD is in this position against both Intel and nVidia.
>>54901629
Makes perfect sense though, AMD, the underdog CPU company bought out ATI, the underdog GPU company.
>>54896840
>why are you a fan of a graphics card vendor in the first place?
That's marketing for you. They managed to fuck up people so hard that they defend a product of a company they don't work for or don't get any money from for free.
Am I a millionaire now, /g/?
>>54901685
Which card did you win? A 1080? A 1080 Ti in the future?
>>54901698
It says I won a pin. Hopefully a super exclusive limited edition pin that a nvidia fanboi will pay me a million dollars for?
>>54896840
I'm not pro-AMD, I'm pro-consumer.
I like to buy my products from companies that aren't assholes.
>>54901708
Honestly, the pin will probably be worth more in 2 years than the card...
>>54901731
Or it won't be worth anything because the 1080 is dogshit.
>>54901731
Thanks to Nvidia™ Gimpworks™.
>>54897956
>children being able to afford an $800 computer part
wat
>>54901652
Though, AMD GPUs lose far less to nVidia GPUs than AMD CPU lose to Intel CPUs.
>>54901685
>An NVIDIA
>>54901820
What else? A nVidia?
>>54901820
>nuh-vidia
Yeah nah you're wrong.
nVidia == en-vidia
>>54901837
AnVidia
>>54897683
>Buying a 1080 is absolutely retarded.
Not if you're pushing 4K
>>54901798
Of course, I buy exclusively AMD GPUs not only on principle but async performance.
>muh tripcode generator
>muh render farm
>muh e-peen
>>54901860
Watercooled 980ti OC is still better.
>>54901884
No it isn't, besides you don't get the nice stuff, like VP9 decoding
>>54901884
Why not watercool a 1080?
Not a fan of either but if amd's marketshare rises that'll make nvidia step up their game, same with intel.
What I don't get is why would anyone shill FOR nvidia/intel or against amd, it's like they want a monopoly to happen.
>>54901898
Apparently it's still not as good. The 980ti has ~400 more cores, and the 1080 isn't breaking any records (aside from clock speeds).
>>54901900
>pointing out the GTX 1070 and 1080 are faster cards is shilling
This is the problem
>>54901918
Go to sleep anon, you're drunk.
That post said nothing of the sort.
I'm going to assume that you're just stupid, not trolling.
>>54901610
Except GPU wars are even more retarded since they practically do the same thing for gaymes.
>>54901907
>the 1080 isn't breaking any records (aside from clock speeds).
And you know, stock performance being above everything else. The thing has a 25% lead over the 980ti stock-for-stock. You could overclock a ti, just as you could overclock a 1080 to counter that.
>>54901942
.....
The 1080 doesn't OC to the same performance as the 980ti, and if you're going for 4K performance, you're going to want to OC that thing.
>>54901932
>What I don't get is why would anyone shill FOR nvidia/intel or against amd
Are YOU retarded?
>>54901798
>AMD GPUs lose far less to nVidia GPUs than AMD CPU lose to Intel CPUs
No.
>>54901884
You are retarded. Not only are you paying almost the same price for an underperforming card, but you have the audacity to not only include overclocking, but also watercooling of all things. We told you to not buy the 980Ti, we told you and you didn't listen. Now a 1070 performs just as well for 2/3 of the price.
>>54901961
What? I have an R9 380X in my rig. If you're going to spend cash on a 1080, you obviously don't care about money.
>>54901958
>No.
Yes.
>>54901979
Sorry friend, I misread. You are right.
>>54901982
Glad to know we're both correct.
>>54901958
Yes. You would be lucky to find an AMD CPU that is half as fast as a price-comparable Intel CPU in single-threaded tasks.
AMD GPUs lose to nVidia, but not at all that badly.
>>54901798
>AMD design engineers have maintained a goal for Zen to be competitive with Intel’s future offerings from the very beginning. The engineering teams are said to have already tested Zen and that test chips of the new CPU core have so far “met all expectation” with no “significant bottlenecks” in the microarchitecture being found.
One can truly hope this is true.
It's because most of /g/ are children and college students who work minimum wage and they have to talk about how great whatever brand they bought is so they don't regret their purchase.
Also would a 1080 with an ultra wide 1440p monitor be worth it over a 1070 with a regular 1440p and a vertical 1080p?
>>54901726
So what products do you buy then? Do you make your own computer parts?
>>54901918
It's not shilling, but personally, I wouldn't say it out loud either.
>>54901956
Doesnt OC well according to what? There are no custom coolers out yet nor water coolers. Even if it only overclocked by 10%, which it does on the stock cooler alone, that would still be 10% more that the 980ti overclock would have to compensate for, and the 1080 starts with 25% higher performance.
>>54902027
He chooses the lesser of the two evils, like any logical person would.
>>54902020
Should expand I'm going with nVidia because it's also going to be a Hackintosh and my computer room is pretty tiny so heat build up and noise is a problem.
>>54902086
heat build up and noise is a problem
Nice meme, like a videocard will heat up an entire room
>>54902107
At about 100 W, it's about equal to having another person in the room.
>>54900723
FINALLY someone who understands. Fuck those amd autodesk drivers. Literal fucking garbage.
>>54902070
A logical person would start a third party entity that's not evil. Choosing the lesser evil is still an illogical and irrational choice.
>>54902107
It does in a 10' x 9' room where the PC is on the desk next to you. Right now I don't even have a PC and the room gets noticeably hotter when I play my PS4 for more than 2 hours.
>>54902181
Lets skip to the good part: how can I purchase a Trump brand video card?
>>54896840
if you don't support your video card company, they will fall in popularity; games will not be optimized for it and the company could go bankrupt like 3dfx. now your expensive video card is worthless and all you had to do was shitpost online to prevent that.
>>54902181
>A logical person would start a third party entity that's not evil
A logical person knows he doesn't have the time or resources to fab a fucking GPU
>>54901685
i'll give you $500 usd for it
hit me up at [email protected]
>>54900464
>unusable computer
You would be wrong.
Whenever a niche market pops up, Nvidia is always the first to support them.
Linux. Nvidia has the only acceptable drivers. AMD's closed source drivers have languished for years, and the open source drivers have only had support recently.
External GPUs. Nvidia officially supports Thunderbolt implementations on Windows 7, 8, and 10. What does AMD support? Nothing. If you want to run an AMD card, prepare to run it on MBR at PCIe 1x.
>>54902359
Actually Intel has the only acceptable Linux drivers.
>>54896840
Prefer NVIDIA, why?
Have used both way back in the day, AMD drivers were crap - slow to release fixes - took too long, hacks/workarounds also took too long.
Don't really know how AMD performs currently, don't really care. I'm not fixated on price.
Not upgrading to 1080 or above this year because I'm waiting for 4k or higher to have stable 120hz + monitor freq and more brands/competition.
>>54902359
AMD has external GPU technology
>>54902451
>I'm waiting for 4k or higher to have stable 120hz + monitor freq and more brands/competition.
You're going to wait way too long for a single GPU that can handle that. We might get one that runs it at 60Hz at all times, so it's likely you're going to have to wait for whatever comes after Volta and Navi.
>>54896840
I honestly don't know, this is literally like arguing over what brand of fucking wrench you buy. It's just a fucking video card. Honsetly I think it's just kids trying to justify their buyers remorse.
>>54902705
I don't think you belong in here. Get out of this thread together with your prebuild computer.
And don't even get me started on wrenches.
>>54902705
>implying wrench brands don't matter
snap-on or go home
>>54896840
amd gpus are shit on hackintosh
And on Linux too
Therefore, the winner is nvidia
>>54904682
>Install hackintosh
>Oh hey, it works fucking great with my setup, just needed sound drivers
>Wait a minute, why are animations stuttering?
>Oh dear, why is gzdoom working like utter trash when I get well over 1k FPS on linux?
>Oh dear, why can't I even see the clocks despite having installed the proper hwmonitor sensors?
>Why does this card handle GTA V perfectly but not a handful of animations?
Man, I really fucking hate this.
Worse, I keep seeing posts all the fucking time on tonymac about how the 280x works out of the box. Yeah it works. It works like trash.
>>54901792
Mommy and daddy's money.
>>54904817
I'd be buying a $800 GPU for myself not my brat
>>54904765
Thats because apple refuses to update opengl, and metal is missing features vulkan have so its a pain to port shit.
>>54896840
>Buy whichever one is fastest at the price you're willing to pay.
It's not quite that simple.
AMD is always supposedly faster on paper.
Everyone who hasn't bought in on their synthetic benchmark meme though know that is not the case at all.
Lets start with this - AMD always has garbage drivers when a game launches. This isn't Nvidia sabotage, this happens for every game on every platform. Doesn't matter if it's AAA company with 10x the funds of Nvidia making or a garage indie.
But that's only valid for gamers. Let's look at the card as /g/ should be looking at it, as tech in general:
AMD has disgustingly bad OpenGL performance.
Always has. It didn't change when they developed Mantle and it won't change with Vulkan, in fact AMD cards lose an extra 10% of performance over Nvidia in Vulkan benches.
OpenGL/CL is the API of choice for a lot of professional software.
The only alternative you will get is CUDA. So basically AMD cards are useless for anything no pertaining to gaming.
Still there's a lot of people that only buy a card for the gaming. And they don't care about anything besides FPS.
Or they'll even get mad people buy Nvidia for physx and hairworks, and they'll blame devs for not creating their own hardware agnostic implementations so they can have the best graphics on their cheap ass AMD card.
In the end of the day you bought a cheap product from a company with an ever shady past - using intel instructions without license, backstabbing the company which provided them with a good boost in sales in the 90s and 00s (Nvidia), etc. Fucking live with the shitty drivers and shitty api support. You've earned it you fucking jew.
>>54905154
>amd is bad for compute
Yeah, thats why they were sold out for months during the bitcoin craze right?
If nvidia didnt keep sacrificing compute for muh gayming performance and didnt lock features away to their workstation cards all the time maybe I would buy one of their cards
>>54896840
>Better question - why are you a fan of a graphics card vendor in the first place?
Here's why :
Nvidia
>insame inflated prices
>making PC more expensive every year
>unfair marketing
>housefires, killer drivers.3.5, the way you're meant to be played
>Proprietary gimmicks, physx, cuda unfair marketing again and buying gamedevs to use nvidia gayworks.
AMD
>brought us x64
>brought us mantle and made it OPEN so dx12 and Vulkan could become a thing
>brought us FREEsynch
>Brought us OPEN CL
>Make PC cheaper every year
This is why i want to give my money to the red guys, the green camp are the assholes.
>>54905237
The 7970 was OK for compute.
The problem is besides bitcoins and one very poor renderer (lux is shit live with it) OpenCL never got a wide industry adoption. That made any card without CUDA useless for a good while.
Later Nvidia cards were beating it even in OpenCL and at that point it was already too late anyway even if they weren't.
Nvidia "gimps" compute on their mid range and bellow cards of course. Why wouldn't they? Besides bitcoin mining (which was a fad and died off pretty fast) a consumer has almost no use for compute. Less silicon wasted.
>>54904765
Just buy a mac if you want OSX, mate.
>>54906642
They want to be trendy faggots, but not enough that they're willing to lay out money.
>>54905294
Shill spotted.
>>54896840
>>54905294
To add to what this guy said, nvidia will throw their card under the bus to fuck amd over just a little worse.
see the 700/900 and amd tessalation,
they will to it again with 10xx series, fucking over the 900, and will do it again with the 11 seriese.
amd hasnt done that,
in fact most of amd has been very pro gamer, pro consumer, and added to the lowering of tech prices whereas intel... look at their current e series, look at every i7 sense sandybridge, and look and amd with the 480... they could charge more for it but they don't.
nvidia did charge 100$ more and i think 70$ more on the 1070...
greedy evil cocksuckers that are ruining gaming with their shit code that runs inefficiently by design.
not to mention nvidias bitch fit over tessellation to microsoft to get that feature struck from dx10.
I'm just looking forward to my 1080 FTW coming in. Everyone else can squabble over whatever they'd like to.
Because AMD is for poorfags and NEETS. /g/ gets triggered when AMD gets BTFO. nvidia is for mature people who want their graphics cards to just work, for example nvidia gpus being used in a real world application
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/06/02/fisheye-missile-tracking-systems/#prclt-l1A331Iq
you dont see AMD housefires being used for this kind of thing.
There should be a law against devs gimping hardware to give one card manufacturer an advantage. The market needs shaking up since there are only two manu's. Big gov should step in.
>>54907788
>amd hasnt done that,
Remember when Fury was advertised as "overclocker's dream"?
Remember Far Cry 4's Hairworks running well on AMD cards (never the devs, is it)?
Remember when only top-binned 290X were sent reviewers to skew results?
Remember when the 295x2 was advertised as a 8GB card?
Remember when AMD was sued for misleading statements on their APUs?
Remember when AMD's driver locked tessellation factor for 390 but not 290, to make the 390 look better (despite being a rebrand)?
Remember when crimson driver locked fans or when 15.8 driver cause a major memory leak?
Remember when AMD charged $500+ for their 7000 series cards and then drop then by $100 immidaitly after Nvidia released their cards.
>>54896840
Its actually weird. I never see anyone arguing which ssd company is better or a coolermaster fanboy shilling his company.
Flame wars only exist with gpus and cpus.
