what would happen if google too started censoring free speech like facebook and twitter?
>>54890077
They already do
>>54890077
lol "what if"
>>54890089
not for me. I can find whatever I search in there.
http://www.mrctv.org/blog/facebook-censuring-international-stories-about-rapes-muslim-refugees
http://www.vocativ.com/290811/twitter-accused-of-censoring-anti-hillary-hashtag/
but in a hypothetical situation, what if they did start. Which other search engine is there to boycott them (dont even try saying Bing)
>>54890107
Duckduckshit
That'd a good question op, but we need to make sure AMDrones learn their lesson
Most
Powerful
Card
>>54890106
its just an google appreciation thread asshole. I'm happy they dont. But I'm pertty sure there is lots of political pressure on them.
>>54890077
>if
>>54890119
I'm in Europoor, this card cost 800euro in here. I'm now an #amdmissle
>>54890124
Yeah, they don't even censor pirate sites.
>>54890133
>>54890124
>>54890107
ya ok
>>54890124
lel
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/google-syria-rebels-defection-hillary-clinton-emails-wikileaks-a6946121.html
They're a political animal.
>>54890172
come on dude, you expect them to put it in the autosuggestion. Kids are using google, they dont need to know about it.
>>54890077
I'm using Bing for porn searching anyway. So I don't really care.
>>54890208
uh huh
>>54890172
I'm wondering too, is he alive or not??
>>54890119
>mfw when I am waiting to see polaris
>mfw I could have bought several of these and flipped them for $100 minimum
>mfw I am retarded
Wow what a surprise, the company in charge of 90% of the internet connected world's information sources has an obscene amount of control over what you are exposed to.
Like how in china, information about Tienanmen square is restricted, anything your google overlords want you to not find will be shuffled away.
The easiest way is that it won't be hidden, it just won't be shown. You have to dig for it.
But think about this already- if they already started, how would you know?
>>54890077
What does the sharia say about hate speech?
Libel and unaccountable statement != freedom of speech
>>54890233
porn tastes == hate speech?
>perv
>>54890261
i think technically he is
>>54890320
Worse than murder
http://www.momin.com/Books/Islamic+Morals-7/Introduction+of+islamic+morals-7/The+Crime+of+Defamation+or+Slander-339.html
>>54890356
Hillary is poisoning him, so trump cant attack her for being a rape enabler once Bill is dead.
expect him to die before election.
>>54890077
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_Google
Are even trying OP?
>>54890107
Try to find 8chän on here.
I have to use DuckDuckGo to find it since I always forget the URL.
Free speech is speech free from government interference.
It has absolutely nothing to do with corporations that you willingly choose to use, and who willingly choose to engage in a relationship with you.
>a publisher choosing not to publish your book is not censorship
>a crowd shouting over the top of you is not censorship
>a newsagent refusing to sell your newspaper is not censorship
Just because Google, Facebook, and Twitter have a large share of their respective markets, doesn't mean any restriction of their services is censorship. This is essentially a business transaction, and they are free to offer the services they choose, just as you are free to fuck off and use someone else.
I'd concede the point if the use of another service was impractical, but this is the fucking Internet. They all have competitors, and typing in a different URL is not impractical or particularly onerous.
The breadth and depth of services provided by the competitors is not a legitimate argument for impracticality either, due to the fact that starting your own damn website with all the freedoms you could ever want has a ridiculously low barrier to entrance, with regards to cost anyway. The barrier of /g/-related autism is significantly higher.
>>54890438
suck my dick shill.. it is effectively censorship, since they have the monopoly on information.
>>54890453
>bu- bu- typing in another url is haaaaard :(
>>54890438
also, lolbertarians are a joke.. a bad joke
>>54890438
>>54890453
It is censorship, but it's has nothing to do with free speech.
>>54890466
how would you research a topic without google you fucking piece of shit?
lets say you wanted to find information about Donald trump or Hillary Clinton scandals. Where would you start asshole?
>>54890482
duckduckgoose is pretty good
>>54890487
you do know that it just uses the google api to fetch results. If google censors something, it will be censored in duck duck go too
>>54890468
I'm not libertarian, I'm just not a whiny faggot.
>>54890482
Probably with a news site, build up a timeline of events as known contemporaneously to the public so that you can then compare their statements with what information emerged later on.
>>54890501
ah fuck, didnt know
>>54890482
DuckDuckGo?
Bing?
Yandex?
Ixquick?
Baidu?
>>54890077
Facebook and Twitter aren't censoring free speech you moron, they're censoring hate speech!
>>54890512
This. There's absolutely nothing wrong with censoring views that are hurtful. It's 2016 and being a bigot is not acceptable.
Why doesn't /g/ just create it's own censorship-free search engine then?
>>54890512
I'm pretty sure they censor free speech too, since their definition of hate speech gets broader every fucking day.
>>54890119
The Radeon Pro Duo is the most powerful card.
>>54890438
DELETE THIS!
>>54890501
How come I get uncensored results with Duck and not Google?
>>54890529
Because /g/ - Video Games is only for bitching about SJW's and Windows shilling.
>>54890438
>>free speech is speech free from government interference
>using 18th century definitions today
Sure, bud. You know, social sciences have this thing natural sciences don't. That is, the object of study changes very fast and not in s cyclical way. The changes are pretty much unpredictable.
>>54890529
Because they don't really care, deep down inside. They just like that false sense of superiority knowing that they have their "secret knowledge" about their spoopy conspiracy theories, thus elevating themselves above mere normies.
They don't even care that they're subject to it, the arrogance gained from the process is enough of a reward.
>>54890438
Free speech is a philosophical concept that predates the constitution you dipshit.
Also remember that Musk heavily implied last night that Google is one of the biggest threats to humanity.
>>54890593
You're assuming I'm American and using a strictly American definition of free speech, you dipshit.
>>54890077
Startpage or searx.me
>>54890528
its [current year]. are you fucking Canadian? if yes, go fuck yourself.
so, now being a conservative is considered hate speech in facebook. Better just put pro democrat news on the news feed.
>>54890613
Startpage is just google though. Use Ixquick if you want Startpage without Google.
>>54890581
Except all the barriers for speech between private individuals and entities have all but been eliminated, whereas many of the things we can easily do from our home for very little expense today was genuinely difficult and expensive in the 18th Century.
So by your logic, the concept of freedom of speech should really apply even less to private entities today than yesteryear, not more.
google are a private company and have full dominion over the stuff that appears on their websites. although if they piss off too much of their userbase their investors would probably complain
trouble with free speech is that it doesn't mean you're allowed to say anything anwhere, it means the government won't step in and stop you (with some notable exceptions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions)
on the internet, you're definitely using infrastructure constructed by a private company. depending on how you go about things, you may also be renting hardware and bandwidth from another company, or just flat out using someone else's website. all of those people have the right to refuse you service.
>m-muh first amendment
>>54890608
>uses first amendment definition of free speech rather than philosophical one
>proceeds to pretend that he didn't
Only one of us is a dipshit American, and it isn't me.
>>54890510
>Baidu
>>54890630
Who cares about conservatives? This is /g/, fuck off back to /pol/ you reactionary scum!
>>54890119
>Nvidia drones must spread to other threads because they're being BTFO by the new AMD cards
>>54890529
>/g/
>creating anything
top queqe, as they say
>>54890731
yeah, I forgot, communist dont give a fuck about the first amendment. Its the thing stopping them from gaining power.
>>54890704
The first amendment definition of free speech was taken from common law, meaning the definition predates the amendment.
You could've also simply looked at my spelling to see whether I was using British/Commonwealth spelling, but seems you're too fat and lazy for that. A trait not uncommonly associated wiiiiiiiith...?
>>54890763
>>54890731
>I'm going to talk about my politics
>Fuck off with your politics to the political board
Everytime.
>>54890476
Winrar.
The film industry self-censored because they didn't want the government to.
If Google censors a result, that's fine, but if Google censors something at a state's (like China) behest, then we start seeing issues.
>>54890804
so, if google doesnt like nationalism and wants open borders (like facebook), and lowers the pagerank of conservative/national sites, its fine??
>>54890208
>Kids are using google, they dont need to know about it.
yes they do
>>54890438
this is 100% true, except in cases where they choose to omit or remove information/speech because of pressure from the government
liek Twitter and Facebook rolling over for the EU. Those corporations are willingly assisting in government mandated censorship, so thus it is censorship
>>54890763
Hate speech is not free speech.
>>54890866
nice meme kiddo
>>54890866
being a republica and conservative is hate speech? being against men using female toilets is hatespeech?
got fuck yourself communist. you wouldnt be talking like that if you lived in NK.
>>54890836
He never said if it's it's fine or not. He just said that it's not necessarily against free speech. Since Google is not a nation with a government but a corporation.
But if what >>54890865 said is correct. And the censored it on account of pressure from the EU, then it would be against free speech.
>>54890236
S A V A G E
A
V
A
G
E
>>54890077
>have "Don't be evil" as motto
>be evil anyway
>>54890765
>The first amendment definition of free speech was taken from common law, meaning the definition predates the amendment.
Pretty sure I just said that in response to your asinine assertion that free speech was only something that government could infringe upon.
>>54890866
I hate you
>>54890967
subconscious cant process negations. It basically reads it as "be evil".
proof: Dont think about faggots having sex right now!
>>54890975
>free speech was only something that government could infringe upon.
that's true though, unless somehow you are being silenced or oppressed through violence due to speech
>>54890975
No, you didn't. Do you even know what I'm referring to when I said common law?
Anyway, see: >>54890650
>>54891006
>that's true though
No it isn't.
>unless somehow you are being silenced or oppressed through violence due to speech
Somehow? Government isn't the only agent of violence in the world, and the threat of violence is just as stifling as the action of it.
>>54890967
>choosing mottos that are easy to achieve, not mottos that are ideals to strive towards
That'd be as silly as the KKK choosing the motto "don't be black"
Although in recent years...
>>54891074
>have a motto that is really easy to achieve
>still fail completely
Oh google.
>>54891061
Last I checked, Google don't have eastern Congolese militias on their payroll.
>>54890557
because 8ch has cp that goes unchecked, and google makes sure to censor illegal shit like that
>>54891124
So then why is 4chan not censored?
>>54890377
I have a funny feeling I need to screenshot this
>>54891061
we might be talking about two different thing: free speech as an ethical necessity and free speech protected by the first amendment
the first amdenment literally and objectively only protects you from the state. any business, any corporation, can choose not to aid or abet your speech without breaking the law
google can censor searches, facebook can delete posts, and twitter can bury hashtags. you don't have a right to their service and they cannot be forced to publish speech that they don't like
however, if the government asks them or persuades them to delete speech that the government doesn't like, that's a huge fucking problem. and now that the government owns the internet at a service like water and electricity, the internet as a whole cannot be censored by ISPs, making it very difficult for any corporation to seriously bury information that they don't want to be seen
>>54890989
Whoa slow down kid, you're memeing too hard!
>>54890635
They've been merged. One and the same, Google results included.
>>54890107
>this result has been omitted, find out why on ChillingEffects.org
>>54890077
>>54890967
Google officially abandoned the motto around the time Alphabet was incorporated and became its parent company.
>>54891166
Really? That's a shame.
>>54890630
>>54890763
>>54890886
>>54890989
>being baited this hard
I guess we know what board really has the lowest iq
>>54891189
I knew it was bait, but I still had to respond because some people reading it in here might believe your bullshit.
After all, you are communists and bernie supporters, how smart can you be??
>>54891228
>you
>your
You just responded to someone who is new to this thread, you dumbarse.
>how smart can you be??
pic related
great twitter feed I got there, based leftist twitter. thank you, please send me more Hillary and Don Lemon news.
>>54890836
Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. Do I agree with that philosophy? No, but they are a private entity and should have the chance to push anything they want. If it's impeded for them, it's impeded for the rest of us. As I was trying to convey, and as the other Anon said, as long as there's no state pressure, it's fine.
>>54891228
wasn't me who posted that but it was obviously bait
lots of people on /pol/ lack as much critical thinking ability as commies, they just happened to get influenced by 4chan instead of their teachers or the media
Censoring doesn't mean not enabling you to cry about shit, it means throwing you in jail or otherwise punishing you if you do. Neither of them do. Just come here if you want to talk about shit that isn't tolerated on normie sites.
>>54891185
I know. Still.
>>54891304
psshhh... dont speak bat about the most based board on 4chan.
>>54890077
bing stock would rise.
>>54891304
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8
>>54891379
>bing stock
You mean Bing's market share? Or Microsoft stock?
None of these companies are hampering your ability to express free speech. They can't. They're not government entities.
>>54891422
come on dude, look what I got in my mail>>54891290
i never even visited any of those twitter handles.
>>54891348
/fit/ is really that popular? damn
>>54891382
No
>>54891470
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8
>>54891440
I am missing the point you are trying to make. You got an email from Twitter, so your free speech is being impaired?
>>54891440
Popular things are generally liked more than unpopular things, therefore they rightly figure you're more likely to like a popular thing than an unpopular one, and adjust what they present to you accordingly.
It's why there are sitcoms on TV, instead of avante-garde feminist politics expressed through the medium of interpretive dance.
>>54890582
Dude, is like you know me, like really know me
>>54891477
Don't you dare tell me what to do
>>54891516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8
>>54891519
You can't make me
>>54891485
not in this particlular case, it just shows they are biased to a certain political group.
but here is the actual censorship happening:
http://fusion.net/story/254067/milo-yiannopoulos-twitter-deverification/
>>54891325
I couldn't care less about a bunch of kids screaming around with the usual shit, spamming or trying to be edgelords, or maybe blaming the next group of jews, whatever the fuck. But I think it's important to listen to both sides of any proper argument, and we have to hope that it never ends with "I categorize the opinion of that person hate speech because I just happen to disagree with it and doesn't fit with my ideology or world view".
If truly the argument of the opponent some seek is wrong, it's best to hear it to evaluate it and criticize it, rather than trying to actively silence it. It doesn't help when there's proof of silencing because it gives more of a reason for many people to react in a different way. Arguments are best taken down when they are allowed to exist.
So you have someone denying the holocaust with homework done, you should do your best to prove otherwise and reinforce your own argument, rather than to create more suspicion.
Of course this is my opinion and it changes things very little, but it's fairly easy to understand why reactionary groups exist when extreme measures are taken against less "aggressive" speech.
And then there's also a lot of people who just want to crack a joke or two and they truly believe the opposite, but would fall under the same umbrella.
>>54891544
>>54891589
>>54891581
I agree. I just don't want people to cry about m-m-muh censorship when they're not, in fact, being censored.
>>54890132
I'ma huehobo, I'll forever be a #pentiummissile
>>54891611
oh crap dolan trump is terror!
>>54891611
Who is this moot guy?
>>54891626
Understand the concern, though. They're not being censored, but there's the possibility out there. Of course there's people out there who like to react in a way that they will do exactly the opposite of what they're being told at all times, so if there's a rule they will want to break it, but some other people are just concerned that in the near future there may be an issue with voicing certain opinions, no matter how civil you are.
So with this in mind, some people might take it really out of context, some people will lie about it, some people will read up some article and point at it like it's the universal truth but the actual concern is valid. We must listen, then consider whether there's some idiot or there's someone who can actually have a point. And in many cases, people are just afraid of speaking up even without censorship, due to the amount of backlash someone gets for not being very altruistic or selfless, or thinking outside certain aspects.
>>54890077
they already have with porn. no one seems to care.
>>54891689
Idk some faggot
Google just indexes the web, they don't own it.
bing still prevents "homosexual" from autocompleting
>>54892099
they are the gateway. they could temper with the indexing algorithm (which I dont think they are doing as of now).
luckily they are not sjw infiltrated companies like twitter and facebook.
>>54890501
>you do know that it just uses the google api to fetch results. If google censors something, it will be censored in duck duck go too
Wrong. You're probably thinking of StartPage.
>DuckDuckGo's results are a compilation of "about 50" sources, including Yahoo! Search BOSS; Wikipedia; Wolfram Alpha; Bing; its own Web crawler, the DuckDuckBot; and others. It also uses data from crowdsourced sites, including Wikipedia, to populate "Zero-click Info" boxes – grey boxes above the results that display topic summaries and related topics.
[This post has been removed by the National Tolerance Monitoring Commission in your territory as it does not promote a climate of tolerance and it is not compatible with the EUROPEAN FRAMEWORK NATIONAL STATUTE FOR THE PROMOTION OF TOLERANCE
because it promotes Hate crimes and/or Incitement to violence against a group and/or Overt approval of a totalitarian ideology, xenophobia
or anti-Semitism and/or Public approval or denial of the Holocaust and a concrete action was taken to combat intolerance, in particular with a view to eliminating racism, colour bias, ethnic discrimination,
religious intolerance, totalitarian ideologies, xenophobia, anti-semitism, anti-feminism and homophobia and to Promote tolerance within society. Please note
that Juveniles convicted of committing crimes listed in paragraph (a) of the EUROPEAN FRAMEWORK NATIONAL STATUTE FOR THE PROMOTION OF TOLERANCE
will be required to undergo a rehabilitation programme
designed to instill in them a culture of tolerance. If this post was made from a school network from the primary level upwards, they will introduce courses
encouraging students to accept diversity and promoting a
climate of tolerance as regards the qualities and cultures of
others and Similar courses will be incorporated in the training of those
serving in the military and law enforcement agencies. Teaching materials for tolerance awareness courses (including
syllabi) will be developed by Departments of Education to meet
the needs. The production of books, plays, newspapers reports, magazine
articles, films and television programmes – promoting a climate
of tolerance – will be subsidized by the Government. Free legal aid will be offered to victims of hate crimes contained in this post for those exposed to its hate before an immediate action was taken.]
