>complete your CS degree
>been working only for 2 years
>already tired of programming
what options do CS grads have that don't feel like programming any more?
1 month in
eh it's ok, but I feel like it's getting worse, lots of training and travelling in the next few months, lot more to do
>tfw not really that good at programming
>>54859931
Sounds like you ended up being a code monkey implementing CRUD apps. Sucks to be you.
>>54859931
research or teaching
>>54859931
What are you tired of, exactly?
>>54859966
>Looks like you ended up where 99% of CS monkeys end up
Excellent observation
>>54859931
>Assembling, repairing and selling computers to normies
>Webdev
>Graphics Design
>Video editing
>Social Media Marketing
But actually the programming world is huge. Maybe you just hate big software stuffs but would love to program micro controllers. Or maybe you'd like to do math-related stuff, or video game development.
>>54859966
to be fair, anything interesting usually requires a graduate degree or tons of experience in a niche field
>>54859931
Switch to EE.
I almost feel for the CS meme and I decided to start chemistry at uni instead of CS. Both fields that won't be replaced by bots & machines in the next time. Have I taken the wrong decision ?
To OP, have you tried consulting or a position in supervising ?
>>54859931
You can try programming something vastly different.
Moving away from that entirely, a pertinent question would be as to your mathematical skills. If you're a competent mathematician, there are paths into almost all technical careers.
You can also try to move towards finance, algorithmic trading is still very profitable, and if you're sufficiently skilled a good area to work in. Ideally you want to be able to develop the predictive models that you are to implement, which is maths.
>>54859931
Research
>>54859931
u could try sucking dicks
>>54860017
The solution to this problem: Stop being lazy and get experience in some interesting niche field.
CS is basically life-long problem solving. This is exciting as fuck. But you have to keep learning and improving yourself. If that's too much work be a code monkey but don't complain that it's boring. (Assuming you're OP.)
>>54859931
>CS
>Programming
nigga you just got a bootleg SE degree
what are you doing with your life
go back and take some more maths and theoretical courses
>>54860064
?
Chemistry is already pretty much bots only.
>>54859931
Become a sysadmin.
>>54860064
What the fuck, chemistry is almost entirely robotics now, you picked the worst field with your logic.
>>54860064
>chemistry
>manages to pick the only STEM major except psychology that is actually worse than CS
>>54860064
Eh, depends on where you specialise. Either go towards chemical engineering, which is boring as fuck but does hold employment prospects, or analytic chemistry. If you can do pharmaceutical chemistry that's also worthwhile. You'll probably have to find a good masters course for your degree to be worth anything though.
>>54860064
look at him
look at him and laugh
>>54860244
Psychology isn't STEM.
>>54860263
it's M, so it's STEM.
>>54860490
At what point did 'M' stop being mathematics?
>>54860559
Since it became medicine because mathematics is a technology.
>>54860583
You'll just have to spread the word to the rest of the world.
Was in the same situation, now I suck dicks for living and feel much happier. Give it a try, OP.
>>54860583
Hahaha, what the fuck.
Networking. Try it out.
>>54860608
Sucking dick is really good compared to programing. I also dress like a girl from time to time.
Feels good.
>>54859931
Learn C++ and contribute to the KDE project.
>>54860696
Learn rust and stop being stupid.
>>54860717
Learn haskell and meme with the big boys.
>>54860727
Learn sucking dicks and suck more dicks.
>>54860727
Learn to suck dick and become a professional pornstar.
>>54860738
>>54860750
Well, shoot anons. Guess it's time to bust out the old suction cup dildos.
>>54860158
>>54860198
I don't know where you guys took your information but a big part in chemistry requires to be in a lab and do physical labor which doesn't follow a protocoll or algorithm, something which machines and bots can't do at the moment. Even most work in research can't be automatized. The only fields where machines come in play is in the industry where chemicals have to be processed in big amounts or controlled by machines, the pharma and food industry are good examples. In research programs are used to see and predict how chemicals work and interact and for simulations. But most things are human made, machines function as a tool.
The same things applies to CS. There are already bots that can write and debug codes and design websites, but they can't do it without humans.
A friend of mine works as a chemical engineer for Volkswagen and they develop a motor which has a higher energy conversion efficiency of gasoline than normal motors. They only use the computers for the simulations, they have to do the development by themselves. No one says engineers will be replaced by a machine, just because 80% of their work needs to be made with help of a computer.
>>54860244
Psychology isn't STEM. Liberal arts fag BTFO.
>>54860247
I want to work in material research.
>>54860253
Sry but my job won't be replaced by a guy from mumbai called Pajeet Rashnigharasan just because as a programmer you don't need to be at the location where you work or to be in a team. Or better, by a bot which you probably have written by yourself for your company called Cuck_my_Job_AI.exe
>>54860738
>>54860750
Hivemind
>>54860784
Did you come here straight from the middle of the 90's? You're in for a very rude awakening a few years from now.
I fell into the same boat as you OP, here's the key:
Treat your job like a job. Just a job that you've been trained to do and get paid better than a burger flipper. Don't overwork or overthink yourself in it because at the end of the day it doesn't matter.
Save your energy for the fun stuff on your own time. Furthermore, pick a language/platform other than what you do at work, or you'll still be prone to getting burned out.
>>54860894
At least he will be able to make some meth.
>>54860894
I'm not. Even now they are trying to develop machines that do all the labor work but they still struggle in some parts to do it. And even if, who for those machines you need someone to build them, that's where chemists and engineers come into play.
>People with CS and SE degree telling people with Chemistry degree that they will be replaced by machines.
>Same people couldn't do their work without machines
>2016
http://www.nature.com/news/organic-synthesis-the-robo-chemist-1.15661
CS is a waste of time, don't bother.
>>54860583
absolutely retarded
>>54859931
>>54859997
Option 1
>Start climbing the ladder
Option 2
>See what you like and what you don't, do an MSc on what you like
Option 3
>Do a bridge degree an change careers
Option 4
>NEET
Option 5
>self.Terminate();
>
>>54859931
dropped out of grad school and be NEET
>>54861048
Better idea ?
>>54861112
this desu
>>54861065
Not the guy you replied to, but I've been unemployed for a year and I've been stuck between 4 and 5.
How do I find out what I want to do if I can't get a single job? Everyone tells me to go back to college but I don't have any money for it.
>>54859951
how is someone not good or good at programming?
In my experience everyone is equally good, some just take longer to read and understand code that isn't theirs.
>>54861206
wut why is "this desu" replaced with "desu" ?
>>54861114
>>54861221
Join the army
>Get job programming before education
>Love programming
>Get my degree
>Love every day of it
Sucks to be you idiots whose only exposure was academia. You gotta learn to love JIRA and Scrum bullshit before you can learn to love programming every day.
>>54861230
someone is quite new, it seems
desu senpai
>>54861230
again. "this_to_be_honest"
>>54861230
You took this long to notice the wordfilter?
>>54860155
>CS is basically life-long problem solving. This is exciting as fuck.
more like boring af 2bh
>>54861255
Came here from full_chan, but /tech/ is under construction atm. Care to elaborate why this is always changed. Is it against spam.
>>54861221
Look man, I don't know how old are you but if you're under 22 and you don't know what you like then you have some time to explore.
If you're over 22 and you don't know then you have a problem.
Either way go and explore life instead of being a pussy about it. How will you explore life you ask? Well, that's your first task.
If you're too much of a wuss to set a goal for yourself then see >>54861236
do the same thing but work at a company that makes a product you care about
>>54861263
hotwheels board hasn't a wordfilter
cucked_by_m00t_and_hiroshima again.
>really want a /g/ career
>CS is meme tier
>CE is on its way down
>EE is CE Lite for /g/ applications
>only other interest is chemistry
>not as delusional as the other chemfag here
whathappensnow.avi
>>54861316
>Not listing CSE
Well, there's your problem
>>54861316
Physics or math
>>54861316
>whathappensnow
Math, nigga.
>>54861114
>listening to a tripnigger
>>54861256
weird, it works for me desu senpai
>>54861316
>CE anything but EE for retards combined with CS for codemonkeys
>CS anything but god tier
>>>/memeland/
>>54861329
>CSE
You mean computer science as presented by the engineering department? For what possible purpose?
>>54861342
>>54861345
/sci/ please.
>>54859931
Network Engineer
>>54861316
either go to work for big pharmaceutical, or make the next new thing in drugs for tweens/ravers
>>54861316
what about SE and SD?
>>54861373
no cse is computer science with some engineering classes tossed in other than that it's pretty much a cs degree
>>54861391
>there are people dumb enough to actually fall for code monkey """degrees"""
>>54861342
>relegating people to the theoretical realms
Full respect to people on Physics and Maths but, seriously? Why will you encourage someone without the inclination to do so go after it.
>protip: it won't end well.
>>54861373
Because then you get to apply all the theory of CS to actual problems;
Plus understanding how to design software based on requirements; something CS doesn't care about. This will enable you to climb the ladder faster than CS on the ladder (if you're aiming for this) or allow you to relate to how software products should be designed (if you want to go solo).
And some electronics, not enough to design anything modern, but enough fully understand how modern hardware works and develop on top of bare metal.
>>54861316
>only other interest is chemistry.
>not as delusional as the other chemfag here.
I hoped you off all people would understand me the best. The job market for us is still better than for codemonkeys. And for the automatisation things look this list, it's very unlikely.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2642880/Table-700-jobs-reveals-professions-likely-replaced-robots.html
my plan B is industrial designer.
>>54861342
>>54861345
I thought about the same but a lot of people tell me if you're not top-tier you'll end up as teacher.
>>54861353
1114 != 4111 no trips there fag.
>>54861316
>do ChemE
>realise its all normies in it for the $$$$
>turns out the $$$$ isn't really there, work for average income in some food processing shithaus, and there is little salary progression over your career
>top yourself
>>54861504
Deluded chemfag confirmed clinically retarded!
>>54861391
Yeah I'll head right over to Calcutta Technical Institute and get on that Professor Pajeet.
>>54861398
>>54861473
That seems reasonable. Thanks /g/.
>>54861373
Oh forgot to mention in >>54861473 that CSE stands for Computer Systems Engineering, not Science.
>>54861451
what is so code monkey about them?
>>54860727
>haskell
>employed
Choose one.
>>54861557
Literally the whole point of SE and SD is, literally, that literally the whole point is literally to train codemonkeys. That's literally all it's about.
>>54861526
>calling people retarded.
>not providing any argument to back up.
>>54861566
anon pls I'm genuinley asking, whats the difference beween a codemonkey degree and a real one?
>>54859931
take a break-- do something new for a bit. I've been programming for four yrs (still NEET tho) and my motivation has come full circle many times. I find that juggling a few projects helps a lot.
>>54861566
Literally 100% true though.
>>54861025
Your damage control is extreme, you've replied with walls of text for every tiny post. Clearly you're scared now.
>>54861655
maybe he just likes to pontificate
>>54861226
>In my experience everyone is equally good, some just take longer to read and understand code that isn't theirs.
That's probably the issue. I "inherited" a big clusterfuck from my previous co-worker, even fixing the tiniest things takes so much time. The framework we are using is not very intuitive or well documented either
>>54861316
You get one of the degrees and actually accomplish shit with your time, instead of just expecting university to hand over a good degree to you?
What is wrong with you idiots?
>>54861504
Ignore the haters senpai.
I'm a chemE major. Everyone I've spoken to in the field seems to genuinely enjoy their work. I have been offered a co-op by a local automotives supplier that does injection and foam molding. The field doesn't seem to be saturated and the work seems really fulfilling if you like he science behind it. It's active problem solving rather than mindless code monkeying
>>54861721
>molding things all day is better than being a code monkey
Kek
>>54861561
>learn haskell
>write a database environment for a company
>in haskell
>nobody in the company knows haskell
>can't fire you
>easiest work ever secured
>>54860103
Not OP, but if you mean quants. Don't they usually require PhD?
>>54861750
Must be a really comfy job to want to secure it
>>54861746
Thats the floor Tech's job. This has more to do with resins, polymers, and that sort of shit.
>>54861316
>>54861383
>>54861451
>>54861512
>>54861557
>>54861591
>implying NEET and Shitposting OC isn't the best carrier.
>>54861790
Well, I'd rather do nothing all day and pull shit from db and use haskell in the mean time than stay at home neet and browsing /g/ all day long :p
>>54859931
kill yourself
>>54861655
It's not damage control and I don't say people are wrong, but most people don't really give arguments against me, whereas I do, even if it's a long answer.
I think we all can agree that our jobs will be fucked when robots become mainstream, but there's a reason why the CS meme exists.
All normalfags I know want to pursue sooner or later a career in the computer field because they are used to sit in front their smartphones and computers the most time anyway, especially those gaymer, because they think if they study CS they will work for Blizzard of Ubisoft later. They totally underestimate the requirements needed. The market with people with CS degrees is big.
Chemistry is full of idiots that want to be the next martin shkreli a.k.a pharma bro or walter white (like me :-^) ) and think they can make the big money with it. Most of them leave after the first semester because they aren't good enough or they don't like standing 6h in a lab.
CS was my first choice but after I spoke to some people they all told me CS is just worth it if you make your own business, anything else you're literally cucked, even if you work for jewgle or kikebook. I'm not the person to take risks in having a business and I don't want to work in a field either where people like picture related are considered software engineers, especially now where there is a computer program for anything and the innovation lacks. The Golden Age for CS is gone.
>sry for the blogpost.
>academicucks
TOP KEK
If you aren't a complete autist you should be able to make 6 figs in development with no degree.
>>54862097
If you take the paying part away, they are exactly the same.
Also, they can hire a new guy to check the DB and write a new client for the DB on a less obscure language.
Anyhow you seem to be set for a while.
>>54861512
better start learning how make cocaine and meth my friend
>>54861697
>I "inherited" a big clusterfuck from my previous co-worker
I'm working on a project like that. God damn does it wear me down.
>>54861721
thanks m8 good to know. I was always interested in polymers, especially the technology behind self-repairing polymers, so I the interest won't be a problem and I don't do it for the money anyway.
>>54862179
The most succesful people in IT approve this, since most of them dropped out of school early enough.
>>54861226
I'm a shitty programmer.
I'm trying my best to learn and understand all sorts of new concepts but it takes me much longer than most.
>>54860009
these are all poverty tier jobs though
>>54862335
>The most succesful people in IT approve this, since most of them dropped out of school early enough.
>everybody is a fucking genius
>everybody has the right connections
>everybody is above middle upper class
The greatest fallacie of our times
1 year into PLM systems. Still lots of things to learn, but while I'm at it I'm also dealing with databases, and will try to learn cloud management.
Cloud management will make you 300k/year.
>>54863334
Where have I said anything like that. Let me guess, you forgot to include white male cis hetero privilege, you dumb cunt.
>>54861236
>not Air Force
>>54864187
who is hiring for that?
>>54864547
Where am I saying you said that? This is something people say (Uni dropouts make it big) without taking in account other factors. But hey, if you feel assblasted, sorry for hurting your sensibilities
Unrelated but, what do I do if I want to do robotics? My contry doesn't have a degree for that. ME, EE, CE?
>>54863334
All of those things can be substituted with discipline. We'd all be making 6 figures if we could make ourselves do 70 hours of work a week without a boss to be our surrogate mommies
>>54864187
>cloud management
>300k/year
Your pants are on fire senpai, desu~
Guy in his early twenties who is considering going down the computer science route here. Do you need to be 'gifted' in order to achieve an adequate grade? I was in the top set at school but was not part of the gifted and talented group. I just don't want to humiliate myself and waste money by doing a course that I am not intelligent enough to do.
>>54865309
It depends on what school you go to and the professor. When I went to my local public university I took a class with the hardest professor and got an A. Now I'm going to a top 10 school and I got a C+ with one of their hardest professors.
I feel like I learned more from the public university though.
>>54865309
It's not all that difficult.
t. PHPajeet
>>54859931
InfoSec
>got a job fixing computers at a hospital as soon as I got out of HS
>been at the same job for 10 years now
>make 45k a year
>zero debt
I'm happy enough. Never wanted to go to college anyway.
>make $160k/year working 5 days a week
>no option to make $96k/year working 3 days a week
None of this makes any sense!
Can anyone explain why CS is a "meme"?
You need to be the slave master, not the slave.
>>54865309
In CS work, there are always two paths to take.
One gets the job done quickly, but you dont understand what you did and couldn't reproduce it without going through the same steps.
The other takes longer but helps you understand what's happening so you could do it again better and quicker if need be.
The first path will get you a good GPA. The second one will probably trash your grades, but you'll be happier and more successful in the long run.
>>54867218
Saying something is a meme is a meme.
tech is just a hobby for me. i work on/off as a janitor, about to go to welding school for 8 months and get a job overseas paying 60k-90k/yr and start small businesses till i've done enough to retire. sound like a good life? or should i turn my hobby into career?
>>54868262
Saying "tech is a hobby," just sounds like you shitpost in smartphone generals about your new consumerists purchases and occasionally help your grandmother get all the tool bars off her Internet explorer. Just stick to your original plan kiddo.
>>54868284
but i do web design, affiliate sites and seo work... not worth my time getting more into these then?
>>54868261
>actually falling for the meme meme meme in 2016
>>54859951
No one is good at programming. You get your degree and still wonder how the hell a company is going to pay you to do something you have no clue how to do.
It's all just guessing and googling. All day every day.
>>54865309
no talent required but you have to actually enjoy programming.
>first year of CE
>already tired of programming
A-At least i can go electrical, right guys
>>54867056
I bet you feel dumb whenever the contractors show up and get 15k for 3 days of work
>cs
>not studying math
You're
all doing it wrong
>>54860947
This.
If you are not going to change the world with what you do threat it as it deserves. Fair work, inless you fucking hate it. But that's work, 98% of other people employed in mining, construction, health care, post offices, cashiers, etc. don't like their jobs either.
grow the fuck up OP.
>got an offer to do a CS Diploma at a public uni
>like coding but not that good at maths
how fucked am I /g/?
>>54871228
Just become webdev :^)
>>54860064
Have fun working in retail.
You wont get any job unless you have a PhD or go full autismo physical chemistry.
>Be me.
>Decide to study CE because programming is fun.
>Realise that there's barely any programming done in CE - most of it is theoretical BS.
>Final year senpais tell me 99% course material is useless - focus on programming instead.
>Focusing completely on my own projects and studying just to pass exams.
If programming isn't for you then step away from dev and try a support role instead.
Or as suggested above do a masters in something you find interesting. Cyber security would be an interesting thing to research into.
>>54861512
Fuark, this is the first 4chaner I've seen with an accurate view of (non software) engineering. How the fuck did it get such a high reputation? I think it's mainly sheltered lower class people who think that anything with numbers must be well paid.
I think oil and gas might be a bit better but not by much
>>54859931
Do an MBA and become an Engineering manager.
