What's the status on Zen?
>>54828239
DOA
It'll be bullshitdozer/pileofshit 2.0
AMD is the mystery box at this point
either they fuck up big time or decently compete with intel again
>>54829101
more than likely.
Sure Zen is a step up from whatever they had earlier, but it doesn't help that intel is like 4 steps ahead of AMD.
>it will be the same usual AMD story
>great at applications that can make use of all those cores
>mediocre performance on everything else
>>54829122
This.
They managed to get one of their key designers back to unfuck the architecture. OTOH, we don't know if they got rid of all the Pentium 4: Socket AM3 Edition jackasses to turn out a good chip.
>>54828239
>>54828239
Zen arch was completed a long time ago. Summit Ridge ES chips have surfaced a month or two back, and its still on track to launch at the end of this year.
>>54829126
It would help if you weren't utterly clueless as to what the fuck you're talking about.
Summit Ridge is a competitor of Intel's Extreme line of processors.
>hurr durr this 8 core chip is slower than muh 4ghz i5 in single threaded SuperPi what a pile of shit guys
>>54829126
I have a plan to Make AMD Great Again. Someone once told me, "You know what you should do? Make AMD Great Again." And of course I replied: "You know what? I should do that, that's a great idea."
So after a small loan of a million dollars I invested enough in AMD to boost their R&D budget to make them great again.
>>54829180
BASED KELLER
CERTIFIED SHIT WRECKER
>>54829247
CAN'T STUMP, WON'T STUMP
If Zen has a lower single thread performance than an i3 then AMD is fucking dead.
>>54830697
Learn how to make qualifying statements that are actually logical, kid.
>>54829180
False prophet.
>>54829101
AMD was ahead of it's time with bulldozer. Nobody invented anything that actually makes good uses all your cores all at once... DX11 mostly dumped all workload onto first core and barely does shit with the rest.
So AMD was forced to go ahead and make something that puts the rest of the cores to good use. They made Mantle. Suddenly everyone is copying Mantle. Now there's Vulkan and DX12.
Pic related.
in b4 some retard bitching graph is made by AMD. The graph is actually also true for Intel processors as well.
>>54830853
This is only draw calls, and it alone does not have much of a performance impact.
>>54828239
"The desktop FX CPUs allegedly feature a 95W TDP and eight high performance Zen cores with multi-threading for a total of 16 threads. Zen is said to have extremely competitive single threaded performance according to engineers with knowledge of the chip. Citing more instructions per clock than Intel’s Broadwell and just a smidgen behind Skylake. The 95W TDP if accurate indicates that indeed we’re looking at a very power efficient design. In contrast, Intel’s eight core i7 5960X is rated at 140 watts but then again we’re comparing a 14nm FinFET product with a 22nm chip so a delta is to be expected."
http://wccftech.com/amd-zen-cpu-8-core-summit-ridge-launching-october/
>>54828239
Cancelled.
>>54828239
>>54830969
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10379/computex-amd-cancels-zen-will-focus-on-consoles
I want to believe that Zen will be good but realistically it will just be cheaper than intel chips and perform worse and hotter... Like the last several chips they have put out. I would love to be wrong though, I'm tired of supporting the inteljew, but amd shit has been so underwhelimg I'd rather not waste my money.
>>54830994
>95w competitor to a 140w part
>hurrrff its gonna be hotter guys
You should write an essay justifying why you shouldn't be killed for being this stupid.
>>54831017
sure thing m8
>>54829126
Why do people talk out their ass, possibly without even realizing it.
-Zen is using an SMT model.
>>54830994
>Hotter
14nm finFET fabrication process. ie, less energy lost as heat. Etc.
Just shut up. We don't know how Zen will turn out, and all the heuristics you think you're using to predict are meaningless garbage. It could be great, it could be an utter failure. That's what we know. Evidence leans to the former.
>>54828239
Finished, Bankrupt, And on suicide watch.
>>54830969
>>54830989
nice try fag
>>54829179
>They managed to get one of their key designers back to unfuck the architecture.
>http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/86585-legendary-cpu-architect-jim-keller-leaves-amd/
AMD is FINISHED
>>54829180
Jim Keller already quit AMD. Those AMD fanboys hoping for Zen might as well switch to Intel.
>>54831443
>>54831467
Literal retards
>>54831443
>>54831467
Keller always leaves when his work is done. Its how he operates: He goes in, creates what is needed to be created, then leaves.
He did it with DEC, designed K7 and K8 (alongside Hypertransport and x86-64) during his first stint at AMD, went to SiByte to design 1 gigabit network interface devices amongst other things, went to PA Semi and then Apple when the latter acquired the former, where he then made the A4 and A5 chips.
After designing Zen, he bounced on over to Tesla Motors to work on their Autopilot system.
>>54831443
I was under the impression that this is kinda what this guy does? Shows up makes shitheads pull their fingers out of their asses designs something great and then fucks off to another company looking for another project?
Have I been mislead?
The issue now is if what they put together can compete right? His part is done
>>54831497
>literal amd shill
Enjoy having slowcore PCs and high electricity bills. We need losers like you to buy AMD so they don't bankrupt while we enjoy superior hardware from Intel.
>>54831582
I am more than happy to buy from the more moral company if it means (something as insignificant as power draw) slightly less ultimate performance for the same or better performance for my dollar.
>>54831536
I'm rotting for AMD, but I swear I read this exact post a month or two ago. Was that you then?
>>54831603
>happy to buy from the more moral company
Yeah sure telling your customers that "more cores is better" even though it is shittier is moral.
>slightly less ultimate performance for the same or better performance for my dollar
It's more expensive in the long term due to high electricity bills.
>>54831640
Nope, not that I'm aware of.
>>54831536
It's worrying not for Zen but for AMD as a whole- AMD hasn't got a CPU after Zen that they're working on. Zen is it.
While in Intel land, they're working on shit that's like 3 generations ahead
Do any of you guys keep up with news? They released statements saying their performance is on par with 5960x which is gonna be really interesting when they go price-friendly as usual
>>54831724
>They released statements saying their performance is on par with 5960x
Bulldozer can't even compete with i5 2500k what are you saying
>>54831686
They do actually, they've already announced Zen+, which is supposed to be another 15% on top of what Zen brings. Since Zen is supposed to bring AMD at minimum parity to Haswell, 15% on top of that would put AMD on par with Intel, more or less.
After that, it remains to be seen.
>>54831737
About zen you bum
>>54831640
>I'm rotting for AMD
nice Freudian slip there, m8.
>>54831757
It means that Zen will just be on par with Sandy Bridge.
>>54831686
>I don't understand anything about anything: The Post
Work on Zen+ was underway as of May last year.
Do you not understand that Intel's current Skylake arch is a direct derivative of their P6? The P6 was used as the basis for the "Core" arch used in the Core2Duo and Core2Quad processors. That exact same arch serves as the basis for everything from Westmere to Sandy Bridge to Skylake, and beyond since they're still sticking with it. Zen is AMD's P6.
>>54831443
His work was done and he left retard
>>54831770
If we are to believe this slide from AMD (and yes, I can admit it can be kinda BS and exaggerated if its coming straight from them), but IF its correct, it will have essentially double the power of the 8350 and surpass Sandy Bridge easily
>>54831770
Sorry forgot to link
>>54831812
>not foreseeing what you plan
More like the way to failure
>>54831650
Not of all us live in Cuckistan or the Fourth Reich of Refugy, paying obscene per-kilowatt prices for "green" energy.
My PC and 7.2 channel 800w surround system costs $20 USD per month to leave idling 24/7, and it's an old as balls Tylersburg platform, where the mobo alone consumes damn near 100watts just from being on.
Next year when I switch to a Zen platform my 24/7 idling cost is going to decrease at the least by 50%. New platforms these days idle at obscenely low amounts of power draw compared to what I have. Less than 50 watts total for the entire machine (sans monitor and non necessary devices). Currently my machine is using somewhere around 120-140w.
>>54831822
>>54831830
Stop blindly regurgitating wccftech bullshit. Just stop it.
AMD never had a slide in their investor presentation claiming or even hinting that Summit Ridge had double the performance of an FX 8350.
The slide originally had no scale, and the only labels were Orochi and Summit Ridge under the bars.
Orochi is not the name of a specific part, it is the name of a die configuration. The Zambezi FX 8150 and Vishera FX 8350 are both Orochi revisions. The claim that this slide is pitting Summit Ridge against the 8350 is 100% a wccftech invention.
The slide was revised once to replace Orochi with Excavator, and it was later revised again to include text about Zen delivering a 40% IPC uplift per core. They were comparing one Zen core to one Excavator core, and marketing continually was fixing their fuckups as the day went on.
>>54831443
>implying it's possible for jim to touch something and it not succeed
moron..
>>54831854
>costs $20 USD per month to leave idling 24/7
If you have upgraded that setup a year ago and went with Intel you probably have saved up enough to buy another processor.
>Next year when I switch to a Zen platform my 24/7 idling cost is going to decrease at the least by 50%.
>Zen platform
>going to decrease at the least by 50%
All those hopeful amdfags
>>54828239
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/processors/40784-amd-has-zen-ready-for-demo
Looks like we'll know tonight.
>>54834693
>trusting shitzilla
AMD's Computex presentation is on the release of Bristol Ridge, and talking about Polaris. Straight from the release on their investor page. Zen is not part of their presentation tonight.
>>54834732
I want to see the AM4 boards
>>54831650
Electricity cost is a meme, civilized countries have it around $0.10/kWh
>>54831058
Thank you
>>54831536
>x86-64
Context is AMD CPU's and you use x86-64 instead of amd64. Revisionist or what?
>>54829188
>>54829188
>It would help if you weren't utterly clueless as to what the fuck you're talking about.
>Summit Ridge is a competitor of Intel's Extreme line of processors.
>hurr durr this 8 core chip is slower than muh 4ghz i5 in single threaded SuperPi what a pile of shit guys
Implying it wont flop like a fish out of water dying shortly after its emerging
>>54828239
My dad works at Intel and he says he's not scared of Zen.
>>54828239
MOAR COAR
>there are people RIGHT NOW being eaten by worms that waited too long for Zen
Really makes you think...
>>54835713
>>there are people RIGHT NOW being eaten by worms that waited too long for Zen
> Really makes you think...
I'm not waiting for Zen.
I'm buying Bristol Ridge the moment it comes out. Imagine the once memory-bottlenecked mid-range iGPUs running on 4.2GHz DDR4 memory. Mmmmmhmmmmm.... We can get Zen later.
>>54835871
Carrizo/Bristol Ridge has the exact same 3rd party memory controller featured in Kaveri. It can't support memory over 2400mhz.
You won't be able to use any high speed DDR4.
>>54835871
No man, I'm talking about people who actually died and will never see how Zen will perform.
>>54828239
http://www.fool.com/investing/2016/05/23/how-will-advanced-micro-devices-incs-zen-compare-w.aspx
Literally "moar cores" strategy all over again just to compete with Intel
What a flop!
>>54835871
>Imagine the once memory-bottlenecked mid-range iGPUs running on 4.2GHz DDR4 memory
It will still be bottlenecked, idiot. GDDR5 memory has a much higher bandwidth, so no matter how high you clock DDR4 (and that's IF Zen's memory controller can even handle memory clocks that high), GDDR5 will always be more capable. A big rig hauling two trailers will carry more load than 1 Honda Civic coupe going back and forth at four times the speed.
>>54837152
>What a flop!
fuck off back to /r/thedonald
>>54829101
/thread
>>54837250
Excuse me, but we're appropriating his memes to belittle and marginalize that failed walking fake-suntan of a candidate.
If you hate the Dullald, you'll do the same. Take back the memes from the 0.1%!
>>54829101
Are Intel shills so desperate to copy Netburst memes and apply then to unreleased products?
>>54831536
How can the shit wrecker be so damn good? He's been a genius for 17 years now
>>54831650
>more cores is better
Because it is. And even if amd have lied about a few things that doesn't make them less morally sound than Intel.
FX-8350 is more of a 4 or 8 half cores.
>>54828239
Maybe in 2050.
>>54831769
>>54831640
heh
>>54832929
Tylersburg is an Intel platform you ridiculous moron, and last year I did upgrade - to a 6-core Xeon that clocks to 4.4 Ghz.
I personally don't give a shit about idle usage. I pay 9c/kwh
>>54837854
Not an intel shill, I wish AMD could deliver us from Intel's Jewishness. Given their track record it seems impossible.
>>54828239
basicly cancelled because amds 480x got obliterated by the $379 1070
480x = slightly better than 980
1070 = REKT 980ti and titan x
Amd would have to sell the 480x for like $250 but that wont happen. Amd will release yet another card with around the 290x performance for around $300-400
mark my words amd is truly finished
>>54840972
The MSRP for the RX 480 is $200-250
>>54840972
No man, you're truly ignorant. They've already announced 480's prices, wich is around $200.
>>54841280
proof?
>>54841280
>>54841320
>inb4 currytech
5820k vs 6700k or wait for zen
>>54828239
>>54841280
proof? where is proof?
>>54830889
You have to have seen the ashes benchmarks where the 8 core fx is suddenly able to trade blows with the 4 core skylake i5, haven't you?
The fx gets destroyed in dx11, but trades blows in dx12.
