>tfw I can still hear the fan even when the PC is off
The same, but I hear it from my speaker amp.
>tfw I can't hear the fan even when it's on
>>54812431
nice dude I wish I had that much honey
>>54812431
Why are people rich enough to buy large landed properties but too cheap for solid floors?
>>54813196
You know nothing of the property
>>54813196
Umm, what?
>>54812431
Where did all the bees go?
>>54813219
Not him but muricans never have solid houses.
>>54813250
>photo is of a corner of a room
>can somehow tell how large the property is and what country it's in
Sure thing bud
>>54813268
>needing more than a single corner in your house
It's like you're some kind of materialist property hoarder.
>>54813250
Neither do Europeans unless you live in a 15th century castle.
>>54813299
Or a 20th century bunker.
>>54813317
I think the only person on 4chan that has one of those is that Swedish guy.
>>54813268
yeah sure. Butthurt american detected. I hope your small storm will make you homeless, while we'll just lose a few rooftiles.
>>54813299
Tell me why my rather cheap house is made out of bricks and has nice isolated concrete floors..
>>54813340
Please do go on about your psychic abilities anon.
>>54813340
Tell me why you have exposed pipes and plumbing? Do you have romex electrical cord bolted to the brick?
>>54812431
What exactly am I looking at here?
>>54813340
Do you actually think that house doesn't have a concrete slab? Because that's almost surely wrong.
There's nothing wrong with an air gap between the slab and the floorboards, especially if you want to put in ducted floor heating later on.
>>54813410
Doesn't look like there's ducted floor heating
>>54812431
>Using a battery-powered reciprocating saw to cut the plywood
>>54813380
some dudes were doing renovations and then 'oh fuck there's a bee hive down here- a really fucking big one'
>>54813432
*In that specific corner of the entire house.
>>54813442
>battery powered
>there's clearly a cord
>>54813457
so why not have solid flooring in that specific corner of the house
>>54813410
That's right, burgerclaps can't into basements. How stupid is that?
>>54813329
PewDiePie?
>>54813459
LOL, you have bad depth perception and you don't know how to make the distinction between a battery-powered and corded tool.
>>54813467
Why have it? You can't know what you want to do in the future, or what a future owner will want to do. You can do other things in that space than just that single example.
>>54813442
>Obvious cord
>Still thinks battery powered isn't capable
>Probably still suggests being tied to a wall instead of freedom of lithium ion
leave your basement every once in a while
>>54813469
Depends on where in America you are, many houses have basements.
I'm sitting in a basement right now.
>>54813485
Yes, I'm sure the future owner will want a built-in beehive.
>>54813491
All that projection.
>>54813469
The entire midwest has basements you retard.
>>54813505
...Or some fancy fibre-optic cabling? Use your fucking imagination.
>>54813196
that is subflooring chum. it is the base for which solid flooring or carpeting is placed so that it doesn't sag when nailed to joists.
great b8 though
>>54813522
I don't think you need to have fibre cables inside the floor
>>54813480
LOL you're just retarded
>>54813542
You do if you want to have a wired network in every room of the house.
>"...even the toilet?"
Especially the toilet.
>>54813467
they removed it to remove the bees, if you put solid floor across joists it will sag in the gaps overtime. do you not understand how building works?
>>54813542
So ignore the word fibre. It's like the space behind the motherboard tray in a case, you stuff the cables you don't want to look at in there, so you don't have to dangle them all over the walls.
>>54813549
Dumbass troll.
>>54813550
This is actually pretty neat. You usually only see this type of thing on peer and beam homes. I've never seen a slab foundation done this way but you could put air ducts, plumbing, and electrical under there and easily fix it if something went wrong. That's about the only plus to having a peer and beam.
>>54813588
It's clearly a different model.
>>54813615
Here, asshole.
>>54813603
My mum's house is built like this. I think it really depends on the country, basements are common in some countries, unheard of in others. Some countries have broom closets, some don't, etc.
>>54813627
It's clearly a different model The one in OP's pic is mains powered.
>>54813640
Lithium battery faggot.
>>54813640
>>54813659
w-what about both?
>>54813659
Since when was any type of battery capable of being gay? Inanimate objects have no sexuality.
>>54813526
Are you serious? You americans have some fucked up building construction habits, no wonder hurricanes completely wreck your shit every year
Is that like a house vegetable you can eat
>>54813691
This is what American doors are made of.
>>54813711
Why would an interior door need to be solid wood?
>>54813477
That one anon who bought a bunker from the Swedisch government
>>54813691
it's pretty much the standard everywhere these days for a house on piers or a second story and has been for the last 80 years.
also if your sad shithole of a country with solid concrete tenements had hurricanes you'd see a lot of your homes damaged too, the most damaging metric of hurricanes is actually the flooding do to storm surges most homes can handle straight line winds of up to 100mph, they might lose a few shingles but they would be structurally sound. if there's objects in those winds there's not much that will stop it. my house has been through a few hurricanes and is still standing including a category 3 with no covering over the windows. maybe you should just consider that you're just an idiot.
>>54813562
You're arguing with a literal autistic kid.
>>54813691
Do you seriously have conduit and piping screwed into your brick walls? What about the ceilings? Are they solid roman arched brick? I'm genuinely interested because I'm tired of listening to Europeans who have most likely never even scene a home built. What do you use for framing, if anything? Steel beams?
>>54813711
as far as i know if you want a solid interior door you have to make it yourself or have it made cause no contractor built house anywhere on the fucking planet built after 1920 will have them.
>>54813377
All integrated in the walls mr. Pleb
>>54813360
Physic disabilities? I dont need a stairlift unlike you to get down to your fapcave you fatass.
>>54813410
Anything build on that will collapse with a small whirlwind.
>>54813764
>Implying steel frames aren't termite and weather proof when coated properly and entirely superior yet more expensive
Not even the guy you're arguing with but not every alternative to what America commonly uses is shite.
>>54813299
you don't ? what a fucking pleb
>>54813806
weatherproof... not without continued maintenance
>>54813805
>Anything build on that will collapse with a small whirlwind.
Well, don't live in a country with whirlwinds. Pretty simple solution.
>>54813805
>can't recognise the word psychic
>misspells physical
You pretty much just confirmed your eastern bloc origins with your shitty education.
Also you cannot even see that house's foundations, you're pretty much just fucking retarded.
>>54813836
Thing is, most Americans do live in an area with these.
>>54813806
That's why I'm asking. Obviously skyscrapers in the US aren't built with a wooden frame. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to have a 100% steel framed home.
>>54813845
Don't be American then.
>>54813842
>Shit he made a reading error, now I'll win this argument as an anon.
You just made yourself look so stupid.
>>54813711
I've never seen a door built like that, but all the ones I've destroyed have been in older (i.e. 1950s - 1970s) homes. The ones I've seen use a pine structure with laminated finish pieces on either side.
So, two uprights, two horizontal beams top and bottom, then a grid of pine.
>>54813835
So just like every other building material on the planet. If you don't do maintenance on your home, you're going to be homeless sooner or later.
>>54813835
>not without continued maintenance
What the hell do they coat steel frames with where you're from?
>>54813766
>tfw living in a house built in 1650
It's actually quite shitty, the house itself is beautiful but everything creaks, none of the fucking windows or doors fit their frames properly, and the electrical wiring is liable to start a house fire at any moment
>>54813860
Not if your home is, like, the universe, man,
>>54813196
So they can have bee colonies move in and get free honey
>>54813860
probably not until you're dead. so what the fuck does it matter.
>people caring if their homes survive after them.
>>54813835
Tell me what maintenance i need to do on my steel beams surrounded with concrete.
>>54813846
Indeed there is not. Only when the floor will 'sag' according to some anons, a steel beam is needed.
>>54813805
>All integrated in the walls mr. Pleb
They didn't drill horizontally into the brick and run all of that stuff through there. I think I've heard enough from you to know you know nothing. Good day, Sir.
>>54813846
>There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to have a 100% steel framed home.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about seeing as I just gave two very good reasons.
>>54813857
>You just made yourself look so stupid.
Says the guy making up strawman arguments to cover up the fact he can't actually read.
>>54813881
>Drill horizontally
You liyerally are retardes to not come up with another way.
>>54813864
over time any coating fails, moisture ensues, rust happens, and steel fails. every tall building you see standing has to be maintained constantly. unless you're in russia where they just crumble into the ground while your president chases brown people around the desert.
>>54813875
If your attitude is common, it's no wonder the burgerclap housing market is such shit. Do you all just buy new houses every 5-10 years when the old one starts falling apart?
>>54813805
>I dont need a stairlift unlike you to get down to your fapcave you fatass
I'm underweight, nice try dumbass.
>>54813900
speak for yourself cyka
>>54813900
Yeah that's true, but the ostensible argument was that without maintenance they're less weather proof than a timber frame which only really becomes true if you don't coat them properly, or coat them incorrectly for a salt air environment.
>>54813916
Coating stronk, like Russian economy!
>>54813888
Yes. We are. Enjoy tearing down your entire building once the copper plumbing and electrical wiring fail. I said good day.
>>54813900
As opposed to a country where the brown president chases brown paople around their desert while the economy collapses?
>>54813879
>Only when the floor will 'sag'
What? Nobody said that. That anon said that improper flooring sags over time, which is true.
>>54812431
That's called tinnitus my dear anon.
>>54813934
I prefer my country where my white prime minister chases the brown people around oceans and then quarantines them on an island belonging to another country.
Fuck yeah xenophobia
>>54813934
that's not america then, in america the president is too busy ignoring the economy while it fails, pardoning drug offenders, and pretending he's interested in chasing brown people. but mostly he's sucking on isreal's cock.
>>54813949
Ah, then he is right. But some anon said you dont need to build entire steel structures. Which is true, we oonly need steel when the concrete cant support itself...
>>54813960
>>54813960
Sounds like fun.
> tfw my female chancellor is too busy ignoring rationality and brainwashing the masses while inviting brown people and quarantining them in my country
>>54813711
>Americans put bees in their faux basement *and* in their doors
Fucking lmao third world country holy shit
>>54813640
He is holding it backward
>>54813928
and wall carpets, to make up for the lack of heating.
>>54813973
>>54813984
One of our major port cities just loaned their waterfront to china for 99 years because they're retarded. Don't joke about that shit, it's actually happening.
>>54814015
And Germany is being overrun by brown people RIGHT NOW. I'm not joking.
>>54814026
actually I thought Germany was flooded with brown mud yesterday?
>>54813885
>You clearly have no idea what you're talking about seeing as I just gave two very good reasons.
This was your response to me.
>Not even the guy you're arguing with but not every alternative to what America commonly uses is shite.
I am interested to know what wood substitute you use for framing a home if it is not steel beams. This is why we are continually criticized in the US for having matchstick homes despite the fact that most quality, and affordable house have brick walls on the outside. Only cheap homes use siding throughout and the price and quality of those homes reflects this.
>>54813750
Too bad 4chan knows where it is.
>>54814026
Yeah I know you're not. I feel for you fellow estranged neo-nazi. We need to curb the brown mud tide before it hits our borders, so we decided to only accept browns if they lied about their religion which they're allowed to do under islam anyway.
>>54814026
>>54813984
>FAR RIGHT ON THE RISE!!
>>54814033
Don't know about what's going on in cow-fucker land, I'm part of the Prussian master race.
>>54814049
So I'm a neo-nazi because I don't want literal millions of foreigners to come here, a large portion of which are one or more of the following:
> criminal
> uneducated
> uninterested in assimilating themselves into the culture of the country they CHOSE to immigrate into
I don't give a shit if you're yellow, white or brown; the current tide of immigrants just happened to be brown. Immigration needs to be regulated, not stopped completely.
>>54813711
>beehive pattern
Man, sure do hope there's no bee infestation...
>>54813711
What's the problem? It's an interior door. And it would work as an exterior with better insulation since you probably have ground level windows anyways. Strong for its weight and cheap for its size are advantages.
inb4 people that live in nignog infested areas that need solid oak doors to keep jamal from punching through
>>54814034
>siding
On that we can agree, as for the other I think in europe they're starting to use clay over cinder blocks with hay bale insulation ever since the muds invaded.
>>54814079
>> criminal
>> uneducated
>> uninterested in assimilating themselves into the culture of the country they CHOSE to immigrate into
I was kidding about the neo-nazi thing and I agree.
One only has to look at brittish police being afraid to even arrest muds for the effect of letting them in.
>>54813675
>Inanimate objects have no sexuality.
check your fucking privilege you dirty cis scum asshole
>>54814079
Hmmm
>Criminal
The typical 4chan user absolutely hates and violates copyright law and may even hate and violate their local extreme pornography laws
>Uneducated
The typical 4chan user has a bit of an autist education and independently pursues technical and hobby knowledge over a full liberal arts education, and may even call such an education "brainwashing" or "a waste of time"
>uninterested in assimilating
The typical 4chan users holds these opinions despite the entire culture not holding them, and may even blame "the jews" (another weirdo thought) for their unpopularity. The typical 4chan user is against mainstream culture.
I don't give a shit if you're yellow, white or brown; the current population of subversive bastards just happened to be from 4chan. Shitposting needs to be banned and the deviant anime fuckers executed for trying to destroy our beautiful and prosperous american culture in the name of hedonist communism, aka free software and furry hentais called "monmusu" in japomayonaise.
>>54814131
> using dirty as an insult
Fuck you, you close-minded bigot. My mud-kin friends will fuck your shit up.
>>54814092
Are you saying the clay / cinder blocks are the frame? If this is the case, how is your roof attached to the rest of the home? For the roof to be brick, you would need something like a roman arch or pyramid. I can see fastening conduit for electrical and pipes to the brick, but not having these things inside the brick. I refuse to believe architects in Europe could be that dumb.
>>54813910
I'm currently buying a house built in 1979. 1118 sq. ft. on a nice sized lot (~6800 sq. ft) with a two car garage. Girlfriend and I are looking forward to not living in a shitty apartment anymore.
Yes most American homes are built with wood, because we still have some on our continent. We harvest a shitload of lumber a year, especially here in the PNW (though not nearly as much as we should because of fucking environmentalists) so it makes perfect sense to build homes out of wood. When I lived in the south we went through a couple of hurricans (both cat 3) and most homes stood up fine to the wind, its the storm surge that destroys homes. When we lived in the midwest we went through multiple tornadoes, which if the tornado is much past an EF 3 building fly apart almost regardless of what they are made of. If the twister is an EF 5 even your concrete and steel house is going to be torn apart, if not by wind then by flying tractors and cars.
Wood structures can be earthquake proofed, made fire resistant, and be built to stand up to some horrendous winds. Fuck Europeans for not knowing this. FFS a simple metal brace that can bold a wood frame into a concrete slab makes houses stand up to most tornadoes.
>>54814169
You know what's dumb? Americans
>yearly tornados
>relatively rare rain
>flat terrain
>Deep, penetrable earth with some nice ass bedrock
>should we build houses underground with appropriate drainage solutions?
>nah trailers
>'murika
>oh god please send money a tornado destroyed all the trailers
>>54813933
>copper plumbing and electrical wiring fail
how about you american idiots don't cheap out on the parts inside the wall so they don't fail?
how would a thick isolated copper wire/plumbing inside a wall fail? because of the heavy rain that eats through the isolation? rust? salty ocean air?
are you drunk and stupid? those things don't fail
and if they do someone made a mistake beforehand
god, America is awful
>>54814150
> the typical 4chan user
Nice strawman
> hates and violates copyright law
I don't, actually. I use FLOSS software. I pirate music in moderation but that doesn't make society unsafe for the average citizen and doesn't make a perceptible difference in the profits record companies make, much less artists. Compare that to exponentially increased rape, drug trade and theft.
> extreme pornography laws
I doubt even one percent of 4chan users unironically possess bestiality porn or similar.
> the jews
You go on /pol/ too much.
> against mainstream culture
4chan users make up an imperceptibly small fraction of the population and don't try to force their idea of a culture upon the population at large.
> american culture
> not hedonist
> free software equals communism
> all 4chan users are weebs and furries
You fail everything forever.
>>54814192
I wish to speak with a European who has at least seen a home be built from the ground up. You are not him and you have nothing to contribute in this thread so please leave.
>>54814202
It's not too hard to build your home from the underground up and get a nice little system of trenches and drains going on
They could be shared among a neighborhood and lead to a treatment facility that fed farmland irrigation
muh heartland right?
>>54814172
lol dumb muriclaps actually belive concrete and steel is gonna get rekt by a silly little tornado
dont drop out of bible school lol
>>54814199
>they sell a little weed and crack but it doesn't hurt anyone, the underground nature enforced by the americans does
>a small fraction do anything remotely bad
>they're a minority
>americans are just as bad
>not all spics
>>54814192
>all houses in america are trailerhomes
why are you so insecure?
>>54814226
you are now aware that for a major portion of america the water table is less than 10 feet underground.
>>54814202
then ask me
most your houses still contain no real wood or stone
they are plaster cast cubes screwed together to form a house, some cladding put on, mounted ontop of some stone blocks that are considered a base for a house
your houses barely weight 40 tons whereas european houses weight over 100 tons easily, if not over 200 tons
>>54814237
>a small fraction
so a potential risk? why should you willingly let people illegally immigrate into your country knowing there is a chance for something bad to happen?
>inb4 bad things already happen!
lets just make it worse
>>54814237
> a little weed and crack
They sell EVERYTHING, in large quantities, in several parks in every major city, in packs.
> small fraction
Population increased by less than 2%. Crime rates for the aforementioned crimes skyrocketed by more than 50%. That's not a small minority. Sexual harassment is through the roof and summer's not even fully here yet.
>>54814234
Have you ever seen a barbie doll supermaning in a cinder block wall? I have, bitch was stuck halfway through.
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-blogs/weathermatrix/edu-tornadoes-p-1/3597
Note the bottom two pictures are from hurricanes, when have lower wind speeds.
>>54814259
wow
you are not educated like at all, are you
>>54814259
houses in america even fucking trailers are timber framed with either wood or steel studs. stop with the insecurity already, we get that your country forces you to live 12 to a small concrete room.
>>54814197
Water has trace minerals which build up inside the pipe. Frozen pipes freeze and burst all of the time. These only need to pass through brick once. What you have described are European builders not fastening to the interior brick, not building an interior frame which could easily be cut into if need be, but ALL pipes and electrical wiring being painstakingly drilled into brick through the home, which if I frozen pipe burst, would require dissembling all of the brick in that that area, painstakingly drilling through the brick again and re mortaring the wall. Do you really want me to believe you are that stupid?
>>54812450
You have a ground loop somewhere. Check what should and shouldn't be connected to ground.
>>54814276
well now you showed me
>>54814286
you act like I personally insulted you because I think american housing is shit and you tell me I am insecure? Man that's hilarious
>arguing about houses
poor people live in cheap houses and trailers that collapse during tornadoes
rich people do not, when was the last time you saw a filthy rich person complaining about hurricane Sandy Saliva knocking his house over?
>>54814287
his euro house is invulnerable to all wear and tear and disaster.
it's a fucking child don't argue with him.
>>54814307
actual rich people's houses get taken out by erosion of the cliffs they built on constantly
and sinkholes
>>54814306
i corrected your moronic statement that you obviously made because you're feeling somewhat insignificant, do you need a hug and someone to talk to? i can get you milk and cookies too
>>54814287
Stop giving him his (you)'s please
>>54814259
>most your houses still contain no real wood or stone
You are speaking to an American. Stone? No. Brick? Yes. Real wood? Almost all American homes, that I am aware of use real wood for framing. We nail strand board (OSB) to the exterior wooden frame, then tyvek weather barrier, then brick.
>>54814325
>constantly
You misspelled "every now and then"
>>54814356
it's rather constant
tip: building a house on top of a hill so you can look down on everyone seems like it would be a cool goal to accomplish, but it's actually one of the worst places for safe, stable, weather resistant construction
>>54813764
Dude im a building engineer and foreman supervisor, I know what I'm talking about
Framing isn't even common in Europe, most private buildings are just made of "empty" bricks and reinforced concrete, both in ceilings/floors and walls
The few framing techniques are more likely to imply steel frames, and we use way thicker panels to cover it
>>54814342
I need to learn about superior European homes and why we are inferior. What better place than /g/ where all the master architects hang out.
>>54814287
>still on the drilling through bricks meme
dude have you ever seen pic related?
please show it around in america, you can still learn a thing or two
>>54814333
No, do you? I know a hug could do you some good, must be cold in your cardboard appartment
How can you feel so insecure about the general build quality of the buildings in your country
Fucking kek before even clicking i knew the discussion was all about the picture and nothing about the OP.
>>54814369
>Framing isn't even common in Europe, most private buildings are just made of "empty" bricks and reinforced concrete, both in ceilings/floors and walls
What happens when pipes burst? Are you still using WW2 electric wiring? Do you see why it is hard for me to believe anyone can be this stupid? You have to demolish walls just to make a tiny fix? Never lecture an American again on architecture. Ever.
>the region that gets nationalist over electrical socket standards is getting nationalist over their non-insulated flooring
no house building technique is really superior, homes are generally built for the environments they're to be built in. if you live on the coast your house might be on stilts. if you live in the midwest you'll have a basement, if you live on the west coast your home will be built to survive earthquakes. if you live in europe you may have a stone or brick house even though many of those countries have adopted framing. there is also a historical reason for the decline in wood framing in Europe and it's massive deforestation over thousands of years.
>>54814379
Even a downs syndrome child can tell you to drill a minimal amount of holes from the exterior to the interior then do all of your plumbing, electrical, duct work on the interior and not inside brick, then cover that up with an interior wall. You are morons and not even retarded children in the US are impressed.
>>54814379
hey look a puny hollow brick.
>>54814429
Basements aren't just a midwest thing, every house here in New England has one. I was surprised to learn that there are parts of the country where it isn't standard
>>54814496
in the gulf states it's not feasible as the water table is quite close to the surface pumps would just wear down quickly. that's not to say there's not a few here and there they're just not commonplace.
>>54814422
>Never lecture an American again on architecture. Ever.
>meanwhile a tiny wind blows away a small city and 20 people die
ok Europeans just can't into architecture
you Americans won again
>>54814422
Do you have any idea of how rare pipe bursting is in concrete buildings?
Pipes are literally submerged in reinforced concrete and properly foamed, same as wires, you just need to open the switch box to operate on wires and I'm talking about old ass houses
Public buildings and newer houses have been using modular units and steel framing for the past 30 years here, you don't have to """""""demolish""""""" anything
Get off your high horse merica
it never ceases to amaze me that people around the world believe tornadoes and hurricanes are tiny and don't damage brick and concrete buildings. maybe it's willful ignorance or maybe it's bad trolling but it's pretty stupid either way.
>>54813691
yea, no wonder planes could wreck your buildings!
>>54814569
the same way that you americans think that there are no tornadoes and hurricanes in europe and that a difference of 100tons is not helping your house not flying away
>>54814611
i know better to both parts of that statement
>>54814547
So the exterior walls are brick and the interior walls have concrete dumped into the walls? This implies a secondary interior wall otherwise there is nothing to form the concrete. I would even except a secondary interior wall without concrete being poured in. This is dumb and you should feel bad for having to demolish a concrete reinforced brick wall for making a tiny fix. Holy fuck what were you people ever doing lecturing us?
>>54814611
steel frames must be the answer.
>>54813505
>free honey
>bad
>it is also fresh
Yes. Yes he will.
>>54814651
you just confirmed you have no idea what youre talking about
>insecure euros off to derail yet another thread with their security complex
need to rangeblock australia/britain already
European houses will withstand tiny winds
we can all learn from europe.
>>54814726
Incision? as in you cut into whatever this is and the electrical and plumbing is on the interior and you can easily fix problems like I originally suggested? Or incision as in all electrical and plumping in my home is vertical with concrete reinforced walls forcing me to demolish a wall to fix something?
if only american homes were as safe as european homes.
>>54813196
You should probably learn how a house is built before you comment on how people build houses.
Protip: Every house that is made of wood is made like that.
>>54814350
If you consider engineered wood to be "real wood."
They're typically a variant of plywood, but that shouldn't fool you because they're tough as fuck.
>tfw american houses arent made like this
>>54814875
I've seen plenty of homes with some type of waterproofed underlayment on the slab, padding, then carpet. I've never even seen this type of floor in my area except on a pier and beam. They are definitely not all built like that in the US.
>>54814935
You've never seen a house with a crawl space?
>>54814899
What do you call this?
>>54814927
>His house doesn't generate free honey
>>54814947
Yes. Pier and beam homes have a crawl space. The image with the bees is not a pier and beam. You can see a concrete slab.
>americans think that pipes in europe are inside the briks
>>54814927
>doesn't use a weather barrier
>does not have any other structural reinforcement
The day when a European insults American architecture is done.
>>54814089
>>54813730
I live in Europe and everyone uses solid doors here. If you go to the local IKEA, you can buy a door, and even the cheapest one is solid.
I mean the hinge got no problem with that.
And hopefully you are a man enough so lifting it should not be a problem either.
>>54814226
I live in Texas. My 3800 sq foot home would literally sink and break in half if we did some dumb shit like this. I spent more money on clay to build up groundwork for my home than on lumber. Our houses are built out if wood because water will wick through wood. It will simply pool on steel and cause a wide variety of pests to move in. Wood is also cheaper and very available around here. TLDR; there's reasons homes are built the way they are in different areas of the globe.
>>54815041
>I admit I am a european dumbshit
>I admit I had no idea what I was saying this entire thead
>Now that an American has pointed out my ignorance I will pretend to agree with him
Yeah naw STFU you ignorant European twat.
>>54813340
>Butthurt american detected
Did you literally start posting in this thread to bitch about Americans?
>>54813805
>Physic disabilities
He said psychic abilities, Rajesh
>>54814927
There are plenty of brick houses in America you twat.
>>54815075
?
It was my first post itt
Pipes in europe are always in hollow places of the walls
Wires are usually inside plastic tubes so that they can be replaced easily
>>54815055
for entryways yes, we can buy a solid door at any home improvement store in america too. however i can almost guarantee no interior door is solid on a builder's store shelf world wide. it's not cost effective and provides no structural benefit.
>>54815064
Also to the guy saying the stuff about the basement. If you dig even a few feet into the ground it's just mud. Like just straight mud. It isn't possible to build a basement in east/south Texas because of this. In other areas of Texas you will hit limestone and minor earthquakes are very frequent. In a home without a basement you will never even know about them, but it makes it very expensive to build a home with a basement if you must have one. Most homes in my area are on stilts. Even very nice expensive homes often are. To build a traditional foundation home means actually building up the land into something besides mud and using specific types of clay layered with various materials. It takes a long time to settle and is very expensive. Our water table is just a few (3-6ft) below ground level.
Is it true that most american houses are only supposed to last for one generation? Why?
>>54815134
My house has been standing for 300 years
>>54815134
Who the fuck told you this?
Most houses that are owned are probably older than your gramps.
If you want to see REAL one generational housing, go to Japan.
In Japan, land is more valuable than the house on it. When a family sells the land, the house gets demolished and a new one is built on top of it.
I have no fucking clue why they do that.
>>54812450
>Speaking of amps, my Marshall valvestate just shat the bed.
RIP
all houses in europe are stone no one ever builds with lumber
if only they would have had three more bricks, it might have stopped it all.
>>54815150
But what about muh heritage, muh ancestors, muh spooky Japanese ghosts that will haunt me for all eternity for destroying their house?
>>54815134
My house will be 50 years old next year. Before that, this land was a peacock farm.
>>54815104
Just browse through the thread, man. Should bombs decimate most of Europe tomorrow, your brethren are fucked for the rebuild.
>>54815046
>American architecture
good one
>>54812431
is there a source for that pic?
if there are no bees then that hive must be old as fuck because otherwise the owners would've noticed
>>54815274
They sprayed zyclon b in there. You can see all the dead bees on top of the concrete slab.
>>54815282
Fucking nazies
>>54814799
You don't have to cut it you leave that space empty when you build it, that's an internal partition wall example but things like that can be done on perimeter walls too
Now listen to me: walls are not made of reinforced concrete. Pillars and beams are made of reinforced concrete, the space left is made of easily modifiable modular parts like the image I posted before. Some walls (usually nearby stairs) are made of reinforced concrete, to prevent more structural stability.
Wires and plumbing can be seated wherever you want, place them in the concrete and they will never burst but they will be hard to modify later, or you could seat them in the wall by leaving the space for them as the image showed. You don't know shit about European construction methods so why don't you shut up?
>>54813250
This.
I need to use a stud finder to locate the studs in my walls for mounting TVs since something around 80% of the wall is literally empty inside.
>>54814927
Not even European houses are made like that unless we're talking about 60 years ago
>>54815259
thats no jk
mericans belive its the best idea there is to build homes from wood and have no common proper way to wire up electricity and then wonder why the buildings burn down like shit pile of wood they are or so many people die from electrocution
>During 2005-2009, there was an average of >373,900 home fires each year, resulting in an >annual average of 2,650 deaths, 12,890 >injuries, and $7.1 billion in property damage.
>During 2005-2009, roughly one of every 310 >households had a reported home fire per year.
>Almost half of home fires (47%) and more than >half (54%) of home fire deaths occur in the >cooler months of November through March.
>Each day, nearly 7 children are treated in >hospital emergency rooms for electrical shock >or burn injuries caused by tampering with a wall >outlet.
a nation of mental handicaped which cant solve such basic problems
>>54815324
>You don't know shit about European construction methods so why don't you shut up?
Your European friends don't either. Here's a tip which even qualifies for Europe. Concrete is not an insulator. It will retain heat and it will retain cold. Using it as an insulator for copper pipe as one of your proud, but retard European brothers suggested, is dumb. I do know know if you were the genius who I am referring to, so please ignore this if you aren't him.
>>54815378
Pipes are properly insulated when placed inside concrete layers
But no please, go on with your bullshit
I probably know more than you ever will on thermal conductivity
>>54814899
There is nothing special about OSB - even the thick stuff (I doubt anyone uses sheets thicker than 18mm, those sheets are bitch to lift on your own). You can still easily put a hammer through it. Try hitting a brick wall with a claw hammer.
>>54815378
>copperpipes
>uninsulated
where you born that way or trained?
>>54815348
A lot of houses in the UK have brick cavity walls.
>>54815400
>Pipes are properly insulated when placed inside concrete layers
This was not what your retarded brethren originally said. You are perhaps the only European in this thread who knows fuck all about anything, so I am not directing my comments at you. Don't get upset with me. Just read through the entire fucking thread.
>/g/
>construction
I doubt many anons in this thread have ever stepped foot on a building site, let alone actually worked on one (I do as i'm using it to get fit without the faggotry).
Forgot to say, there's also insulated rigid tubes with double iron layer if you want to bitch about stability
Also
>copper pipe
>LMAO lest use a highly conductive metal to transport hot/cold water in my house! What could go wrong? It also releases copper ions in my water, totally not bad for my health!
>>54815449
I honestly don't know who I'm even replying to anymore, but the guy that said "don't try to lecture Americans on architecture" really made me lose my shit
>>54815479
i worked for several years as a electrician on construction sites and wired up homes in germany
i know the difference between proper work and what happens in america
>>54815479
Don't do it dude, most of that is bad for your spine, you will only end up being tired and hurting your knees/ankles
>>54815508
In Germany, you often have ONLY 16 amp fuses or breakers on each circuit and seldom an RCD, even though they have been mandated for some years....so until a fault current + normal current exceeds the 16 amps, it will not release, leaving some objects stay "LIVE" and VERY dangerous......
>>54815519
Proper stretching goes a long way. I still look like i've walked straight out of /tg/ but i'll pick up some rather heavy things. My least enjoyable experience is lifting soundblock plasterboard - those sheets are 49kg each and there are always hundreds of them. Lifting one is easy, having to move 50 or 60 of them on your own in a morning is not fun.
>>54814172
So you start with a weak, flimsy, vulnerable material and then go to great effort to add to it, treat it, etc to make it somewhat safe? Why not just build with bricks and mortar to begin with? UK here and I seriously can't imagine buying a wooden house.
People live in trailers and build homes with wood in the USA because its cheap. You can have a much nicer home because of this. Want some pointless european spec home? Build it yourself. You dont have to be the 1% to live nice in the US.
>>54815556
16 amp are normaly only used for wasching machines and rcd are normaly only used for rooms where there are pipes that could short out stuff
in a normal building you only build with 6-10 amp breakers
but that is all documented in DiN and if you dont follow the guide you go to prison if somebody gets hurt or a expensiv fine if somebody finds out which happens quite fast
>>54815623
Your ancestors ran out of wood long ago, necessitating the use of the available materials found in your particular region, stone and masonry.
>weak, flimsy, vulnerable
pic related
>>54813234
Who do you think took the photo?
>>54815682
A building like that is hardly an indicator of typical housing at the time. Plus those sorts of buildings tend to be rather cold and require a lot of tlc to keep them in pristine condition.
>living in eastern europe
>old houses made out of bricks, natural stones or just loam (dirt)
>living in germany
>old houses are made out of wood with dirt to fill up the holes
>living in france or italy
>many old houses look like they weren't renovated since 100 years
>living in the alps
>massive wood houses with stone/concrete basements
>>54815497
>I honestly don't know who I'm even replying to anymore, but the guy that said "don't try to lecture Americans on architecture" really made me lose my shit
I am that guy.
>Pipes are literally submerged in reinforced concrete and properly foamed, same as wires
Pipes are insulated and placed inside reinforced corrugated concrete. This is what you meant, and now I understand.
This is still little different than fastening conduit and pipe to a brick or concrete wall. There is no benefit in not cutting out that notch unless you you enjoy ripping through concrete in order to get to it. There is certainly no structural weakness in having a wooden frame on the interior of a brick wall and I can punch through drywall to get to a pipe. I am going to bed.
>>54815682
>After the long controversy ignited by architecture historian Sekino in 1905, the majority consensus view as of 2006 is that the current precinct is a reconstruction. The excavations in 1939 that uncovered the older temple site including architectural remains of a Kondō and a pagoda, are accepted as conclusive proof. The original complex, Wakakusa-garan, probably burned down.
Granted, the reconstruction has lasted an impressive time on its own. But see >>54815704 . A temple will be built to higher standards than a home.
Also,
>Your ancestors ran out of wood long ago
It doesn't really matter WHY we started using stone. It only matters that our houses are older, stronger, and safer as a result.
>>54815700
Bees took the photo?
>tfw think i can hear the fan when pc is off but then i realise it's from my other pc
>>54813730
muffles the cries of your wife as muslims penetrate her anus
>>54815732
>living in america usually hardwood floors but mine are all marble the whole house stay mad poors
>>54813234
they're on vacation
>>54815090
>Did you literally start posting in this thread to bitch about Americans?
Yes, that's literally all yuropoors do on every single board during their hours.
>>54812495
this
>>54814299
Could it be the antenna? I got it hooked to my monitor mount for best reception.
>>54815375
fires in colder months are generally the result of someone using an electric heater and knocking it over or mishandling of fireplaces. true electrical fires in america are rare. stating numbers does not equal a case unless you know what the fuck you're talking about. 72.8 million children... 7 treated. yeah sounds about par for the course. it's probably the same per population everywhere, cause children globally are fucking stupid. if you look at england's fire numbers and shock numbers they're practically the same.
>>54812431
Used to work part time doing demo in college.
Finding beehives and other animal nests is way more common then you think.
>tfw I can hear lightning with my headphones on
And no, I don't mean I can hear thunder.
>>54815625
people build houses out of wood in america because we have abundant supply of it. we have forrests. people in europe cut theirs down for timber houses in the middle ages and now they have to build clay and mud huts to replace them.
let me assure you the cost of housing in europe has fuck all to do with the method of construction.
>/g/ - Home Improvement
>>54819530
Well its obvious /g/ doesn't know shit about computers so knowing something about construction seems a good alternative.
After so much talking i think most of you dont build nothing in last years.
This is what we normally use in new building for water.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-linked_polyethylene
You can replace pluming without any problem.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-linked_polyethylene
As for electric wiring there is no problem you can easy swap wires. Also the Laws in my country make us use real big electrical conduit.
>>54820191
mfw the HUEs have their breaker boxed labeled when we on the netherlands usually left them unlabeled
>>54819530
Houses are a technology
>>54820275
still they way they build in Europe with dung, straw and clay.
>>54814471
That shit is generally reinforced with rebar. You can't do that with solid bricks.
>>54820264
It's Portuguese, not Brazilian, you idiot.
dfw your 3rd world shithole social housing is sturdier than american beehive huts
>>54812431
>this whole thread
The eurocuck fails to understand how strong and cheap American lumber is. In his impotent rage he resorts to insulting Americans
>>54815623
>wood is weak
Dumbass euro fag as usual
>>54821686
I heard americans use cardboard doors, and have to have like sixteen locks to feel secure.
>>54821940
I see you've been to detroit.
>>54821940
i visited a friend in florida some years ago, his room had 2 holes in its walls.
The first one he did it by punching the wall.
The second he did it by falling down and hitting it with his elbow.
The door looked heavy tho.
>>54813469
>>54813340
Where do you morons get this misinfo? Basements and brick housing is common as fuck in the US.
>>54815932
>>54820275
>Summer
>Not raining
>Lit a fire inside house
>No chimney
>wear warm clothes
why
>>54813711
>tfw europoor and i have door like that
I hate that door
>>54814927
I love double brick too mate, but if I could afford it I'd go tilt up concrete
>>54815777
>safer
>brick
Tell that to an earthquake. Your ignorance and arrogance are almost unbelievable.
>>54822097
I believe the top of that roof has a hole in it
