Unity has sucked ass basically from the beginning, and this is our best alternative? Is this 1996? If you want a GUI in Linux you have three options:
>OS X Clone
>Windows 95/XP/7 Clone
>Obtrusive "different for difference's sake" metro trash
Does this bother anyone else?
>>54795372
>2016
>using a GUI
thats because linux is shit. it has always been shit. if you werent such a retard you would know that
>>54795427
It's shit we make for ourselves, not MIcrosoft's Pajeet bullshit. I'm disappointed in the aesthetics in the Linux community
>>54795372
What's wrong with unity? It's pretty and it works.
Xfce is shit though. It's fucking dog shit and I hope it dies.
MATE is best DE
>>54795372
> GUI
Why even use one?
>>54795372
Unity is pretty good. Nothing wrong with it.
I understand and I do agree. However, the complaints are just as useless. I actually encourage for people to participate in the project and make it better.
I like fluxbox myself.
i3wm master race
>i used windows first so any operating system with the same features is a clone
>anything different is 'different for difference's sake'
the windows start menu introduced in vista is pretty much the gold standard. The only way it's improved upon is by a full screen menu rather than tiny thing. Having it open using super is glorious.
Trying to use a GUI without this feature is damn annoying.
>>54795372
If you hate it so much then fucking change it you god damn retard
It's not hard to install themes
>>54795644
Muh tiles
>>54795372
Does this please you anon?
>>54795372
why not just use a WM and use xfce4-panel, fast and better than anything that a DE could ever offer
>>54795372
make your own gui, i use bspwm with tint2 as bar, and thats all you need, it looks cool and its better than other shit
>still needing desktop environment
Call me when we get an exact FOSS replica of the Windows taskbar.
No "look-alikes" or "clones", just PIXEL-PERFECT implementations like how ReactOS did it.
>>54795835
You know how to program, right? If you want something done right...
I like XFCE, it's comfy.
>>54795899
what front?
>>54795899
What do you like about atom?
Genuinely curious as I've never used it.
>>54795372
Jokes on you. I'm using KDE
You forgot all about all of the other options.
Jelus Winbabby
>>54795945
git diff integration
>>54795923
dunno. All aliased monospaced fonts look the same for me
>>54795945
Activate power mode
>>54796183
I'll never understand what people like about that.
>>54795946
/thread
>>54795757
Definitely one of the best I've seen
>>54795646
The older DEs objectively emulate old Windows OSes, it was the standard.
>>54795744
Theming shit into diamonds isnt progress. Not designing shit is progress.
>>54795539
do you seriously believe windows 10 looks good? they aren't making miracles either.
>>54795372
mate is none of the options you said. and ubuntu mate comes with different options like "mutiny, redmond, opensuse" etc. mate, kde and lxqt are the future of loonix
>>54795372
>>54795427
Loonix always breaks my heart because I always find something from every desktop environment that "grinds my gears" whether it's the bugginess of Unity or the screen tearing of xfce.
>>54796478
I'm typing from MATE now, but it's literally just focused on not fucking up classic gnome. As for Windows 10, it looks like shit and everything you do feels like you're in an 'app'. Same reason I hate KDE and Unity, it just feels too delayed and animated for a desktop.
enjoy your screentearing
>>54796496
>screen tearing of xfce
Compton is what you're looking for
>>54795372
It's probably just that the overlap between FOSS enthusiasts and (good and experienced) designers is pretty small.
>>54795410
>2016
>using a CLI
>>54796786
Compton has shit performance. I would rather use kwin on everything since it's the only compositor that doesn't have memory leaks and shitty optimization. It's also the only one that has minimal window moving lag on x11.
>>54795619
because lynx sucks
>>54795899
That's a goddamn beautiful font.
>>54797882
>Compton has shit performance
works flawlessly on my machine™
>>54795372
I like gui.
You can make linux as A E S T H E T I C as you want.
I honestly don't care much what the gui looks like as long as it just werks and doesn't get in the way.
>>54796283
>Definitely one of the best I've seen
Found the problem; you have shit taste in everything.
>>54800022
great webbum, doesnt work in chrome
>>54797882
use kwin then.
>>54799977
>a good looking KDE desktop
Teach me master.
Also, how's Cantata? Been looking for a good non-GTK audio player.
designers don't work for free my man
>>54800120
Thanks Dude.I use the papirus Suite.
https://github.com/varlesh/papirus-suite
If you use arch it pulls every dependency for the whole suite so heres a script:
https://paste.teknik.io/Raw/Oqzk6
The sddm theme has to be installed manually.
Also make sure you try qupzilla v2.0 it is literally the fastest browser I ever(!!) used and integrates well into kde. Cantata is sick and because of mpd(mpd has to be running but you can use it without a config) handles large collections effortlessly.
Enjoy!
>>54800120
The Font is called Nimbus Sans L. You can find it if you have gsfonts installed.
>>54795757
How is this different from unity?
Default installation.. i think this looks really good
>>54800229
>>54800206
Cheers mate
>>54800371
Np. You got any questions I'll leave this thread open
>>54795372
Linux comes by default looking like shit, you can change it and be happy or come to /g/ and shitpost.
>>54795611
You cannot make that fucking launcher bar to not take 100% of screen height (or width if you've moved it to the bottom).
>>54795899
>app
I think it's comfy.
>>54795372
>not using i3wm
>>54801168
>not using dwm
>>54795923
Looks like Fira Mono or Source Code Pro. Those are the only ones I know off the top of my head that have the 0s look like that.
>>54795372
Post the cat pawing at xfce
>>54795372
>Not using the superior GNOME
>>54795757
antergos?
>>54801579
Dude. Use the arc Shell theme and change your icons to paper.
Alright I got i3, but I need a panel or something, what non-bloated shit do you recommend?
>>54801584
This is GNOME
Not a antergos-only DE
>>54799977
nice papirus.
What have you done to have nice fonts everywhere? Are fonts in gtk applications nice too? What distro?
>>54801630
I use arch and have infinality installed. Just changed the settings (in plasmasettings) to rgb and full hinting. I also use the fonts from the infinality bundle(they are supposed to be better.
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=162098
Gtk applications look exactly the same but I have completely uninstalled gtk2 and 3 from my system so everythings in qt.
>>54801579
what firefox theme
>>54801614
What do you mean panel?
>>54795372
>Unity has sucked ass basically from the beginning
No shit. Why do you even care? Just ignore Unity. There have always been much better desktops available. MATE is good.
>>54799977
KDE can be good also.
>>54799963
but it is shit, its slower than compiz on unity and affects fullscreen gaymes/movies performance and creates frameskip when you use vsync in your games/movie player.
I mean its cool because its easy to set up and disables autism reactions to shit/no vsync on any obscure wm but it really is shit when compared to what unity/gnome/cinnamon/kde has.
>>54801979
I tested every compositor and de extensively. I gotta say kde compositor is on top by far. Mutter(from gnome) is completely shit. It's slow and looks like ass.Also not customizable. Compiz is great but is prone to crashing.
>>54801606
Arc theme is trash on gnome...
>>54802023
you tested this recently? on 3.18 and 3.20 mutter works really well, kde compositor works great on one vsync setting (dont remember which it was) when moving windows on top of other animated windows (i usially check with a movie player because 24 fps and firefox with agar.io because 60fps).
But i believe its because the dragged window is getting texturized while its moved (like when you resize it) so its just a workaround. Also i often get hangs when loading maps in steam games on kde (mainly cs go/dota and borderlands2.) so from my experience unity/gnome is best for steam (maybe because valve said that it will support gnome/unity)
Also i never got a crash from compiz but got many from kde - but i have not used any 5.X version of plasma long term.
>>54795372
> He doesn't know what Linux Mint Cinnamon is.
Mint 18 is near. And is going to be great.
>>54795372
Some people like GUI's.
Or some linux/GNU developer want to convert the normies.
>>54802160
enjoy your hijacked malware distro. Also the only distro that is literally a shittier version of ubuntu. Its like using windows applications on wine while you have a linux-native version.
>>54800266
Quite
>>54797800
>the current year
>using a screen
There are kids on this board who still haven't tried Cinnamon and made the switch.
It's the only desktop environment that is both beautiful and functional.
Are you one of them?
>>54802210
>malware distro
Sais the Amazon whore.
>Also the only distro that is literally a shittier version of ubuntu.
lol, no. The reason why mint is more popular than ubuntu is because ubuntu had gone downhill since unity retardation and amazon. Ubuntu is worse and the truth hurts for some people. Mint on a desktop PC humilliates ubuntu.
There are kids on this board who still haven't tried Cinnamon and realized it's shit.
It's the one of those desktop environments that are playing looking and not very functional.
Are you one of them?
>>54802243
>2000+16
>using an output peripheral
>>54802210
>>54802301
>fighting over shitty non-free Debian forks
>>54802314
>playing looking
What?
>>54802344
>recommends a non-free distro over other non-free distros
There's literally nothing wrong with GNOME. It's the official GNU DE, deal with it.
>>54795372
You can customize Xfce to look and work pretty much the way you want.
>>54802408
>>>playing looking
>>What?
>he doesn't know
>>54795372
what do you even want? with those descriptions you've pretty much ruled out any GUI that exists for any system anywhere.
>>54802590
Is that some type of pedo speech?
I like KDE.
>>54795372
>xfce was a straight CDE clone once
>popular *nix DEs like GNOME and KDE used to be an interesting blend of CDE and Windows
>now they're just slightly different spins on Windows XP and OS X to pander to the average modern freetard with baby duck syndrome who just uses GNU/Linux to feel smug
>>54802676
>roman fucking numerals for desktop names
>low-contrast icons and window controls but high-contrast notification/settings tray icons
>ugly minimalist dark as my soul theme with retarded looking circular/simple window controls whose consistency is ruined the second you run something that doesn't have a custom userstyle/icon set
>>54802676
That looks awful, it looks like it's actually broken.
>>54797800
/thread
>>54802301
>he thinks mint is more popular than ubuntu
wow nice more clicks on a noobwatch site
>mint>ubuntu
mate if without cannonical help managing the packages your mint would be in a sorry as state just like their debian edition
>>54802676
>using kde but wanabee minimalistic
wtf mate are you even trying
>>54802344
>implying i (the supposed ubuntu follower) dont use debian sid
:^)
>>54797800
This, command line is just for hacker wannabes, I refuse to use software that doesn't have a GUI.
>>54795946
enjoy your stupid cashew fuck i hate that thing I HATE IT DIE CASHEW DIE
>>54802925
>I want to do simple tasks as inefficient as possible
>I want to drain my battery for 3 click button
>learning new things is scary, I don't wanna
>inb4 I have "muh life and no time"
You enslaved yourself, you have no right to complain
also
>implying gtk is good
>>54802232
Top bar with all the shit? Check.
Dock to the left? Check.
Well, I'd say it's pretty much same shit as unity.
>>54803047
you don't actually think this, don't you?
>>54795372
>implying those are the only available options
>>54803023
feels good man.
>>54802749
>>54802774
>>54802838
I was thinking about a smartass reply but in the end I'll just act passively: if my desktop is as bad as you say, what do you suggest to improve it?
Nobody ever likes my desktopsbecause of muh darkness, but I just can't abandon it.
>>54803071
1) and 3) are actually pretty accurate, people are scared of the terminal for no reasons,
sudo pacman -Syu
sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
sudo dnf update
How is that hard to remember?
You really need this gnome software and all the dependencies for a fucking update?
Sometimes it's clearly stupid to add a gui to an already simple task
Linux can be made to look great and be more comfortable to use than Windows or OS X, problem is that it takes months on configuring outdated X Window shell scripts from the 80s. Honestly, any Unix-like system is a pile of broken shell scripts piled onto each other in order to badly patch shitty oversights made early in development (such as the lack of proper graphics that Linux suffers from, no system should rely on garbage like X11 for simple GUIs). The best part about all this is that Unix's CLI is just as shitty and outdated as the rest of it. Why would a modern CLI still need to be plain, monospaced text in a terminal emulator when things like image output from commands (without needing a vector terminal) is fully possible? Also, the commands themselves are shit.
I've mostly abandoned the mortal realm of Unix and Windows and other such operating systems and have been dwelling in the deep, dark, embedded realms of Forth environments and the hundreds of abstraction layers and Lisp macros piled onto my Emacs. I am the AI Lisp wizard god of my mother's basement; all must fear my vengeful stench.
That's because linux is for work, not rice. Not user experience. Work. You're going to be laughed it if you're using it for anything but serious motherfucking computing.
The more "work"-y an OS is the uglier its UI is. See: Windows.
>>54801073
its pretty comfy, any1 knows what DE is it using? It seems liek some cinnamon reskin or something
>>54803047
>I have crippling autism/aspergers
The looks don't bother me.
What bothers me is that I'm just done with linux as it is. No matter what I try, I either enjoy some nice tearing or some performance issues. Even with fucking MATE. I spent all of yesterday trying anything to get rid of both tearing and lag. I'm just done. I'm salty as fuck about this.
>>54803047
>>54803193
>>54803071
The whole change that everyones bitching about came about around 2010 or 2011 when bantoo decided to be more normie friendly.
As I recall it was marketed around the idea of making the F/OSS movement more main stream.
>>54802900
>using the smiley with a carat nose
>>54803169
It's not really that it's bad, you just try to mix different paradigms and it seems weird as there is no consistency between the terminal and the windows
>>54795372
just hackintosh you faggots
gawd y must u b so GAY
>>54803255
This is part of the learning process. Your wounds will heal and youll probably give it another go. There, there anon chan have some tea...
>>54803193
Look, man..now seriously. I'm the first person who use the terminal for many operations that would require too much time if done via a GUI (like a "fuckin update", as you say)...
...but there are tons of operations that a GUI can make really really fast and efficient.
The point here is to stop taking an absolute position and start thinking with your own fuckin brain! I know it may look hard for you people, but just try...
>>54803047
>learning new things is scary, I don't wanna
This goes for GUIs too, my boy
>You enslaved yourself,
Oooh, you're that kind of person, I see. Ok, never mind, I won't waste any more time with you...
>>54803283
>>54803255
I always felt like I was the only one who could ever see the horrible tearing... everyone else is like: "works on my machine!"
It's good to know I'm not crazy...
>>54803271
the logo is literally, "Linux for humans"
insulting if you ask me
why dont the people who make xfce fix the screen tearing? they could at least add compton into xubuntu
>>54803255
>>54803337
Hm.. weird I don't and never had that with any compositor.I for one cant go back to windows because of the terrible font rendering. looks disgusting desu.
>>54803350
Yeah it is a really weird masochistic thing about fringe communities is theyll shame their own to get into the mainstream. I am not saying its good to admire cucks like Stallman or something but there were a lot of good open source bros and Linus takes too much credit because he has a small penis.
>>54795372
> What is a GTK theme ?
https://www.maketecheasier.com/more-gtk-themes-linux/
You assholes so lazy you can't do a 20min config to make your DE look okay ?
>>54802676
source on top left image
>>54798544
this
only gui I use is for Web browsing
terminal emulator if you count it too
>>54803023
>he didn't install the hide the cashew thingy
>>54803360
The distros shipping xfce should so this. AFAIK the only one doing this is mint xfce.
I don't understand. Are we suppose to want constant visula improvements to tingle our artistic taste?
This is bullshit, you can rice linux as much as you want but you complain that the default look lacks bells and whistles?
>>54803286
I'm just frustrated because I tried a lotta shit. Let me explain:
-I tried both open source and proprietary AMD drivers (latter not being available on latest buntus)
-Tried those with KDE, Gnome 3, Unity, MATE, Cinnamon AND Xfce.
-With Gnome I tried 3.18 and 3.20 with and without wayland (wayland on proprietary drivers is kinda buggy it seems, shows some artifacts)
-Enabled DRI3
I get varying results but no middle ground that's bearable. Compton refuses to work around tearing. I don't know what to do anon.
>>54803391
I didn't have this problem with my older GPU (6850HD). Even the vsync option on XFCE worked and I didn't understand why people complained. Now I have a 280x. Seems I fucked up.
https://anjeelowe.tumblr.com/post/144900028436/no-offence-to-my-open-source-linux-scripting-geeks
That whats it good for
>>54803023
>>54803403
Now you can disable the cashew in desktop settings since plasma 5.3
>>54803023
>>54803404
The cashew isnt in plasma5. There is a "toolbox" which you can disable in the options.
>>54803216
It's Gnome Flashback.
>>54802676
post back.zip
pls
>>54803410
Thats why I use linux on an laptop with intel. Literally no driver install and best support.
>>54795372
>OS X Clone
>Windows 95/XP/7 Clone
>Obtrusive "different for difference's sake" metro trash
Well yeah, what's left? What do you want? If you like how windows does it, KDE does it better, if you like how OSX does it, GNOME does it better, if you like a bit of both, GNOME 2 is perfect, if you hate all of them, you have your little snowflake DMs you can customize for yourself, openbox if you like floating windows and i3/bspwm if you like tilling.
I'm not sure what you're on about, but if you have an itch for something special that you like, you can get it unlike OSX and Windows where you either have to install third party software that's probably filled with spyware and that runs like ass or you're shit out of luck because they don't let you customize it past moving the fucking panel or changing the colour from grey to black.
>>54803303
I'm not saying that gui are bad, it's better to use the best of the two worlds.
>Oooh, you're that kind of person, I see. Ok, never mind, I won't waste any more time with you...
"but anon I have a family/job, I don't have time to..."
This really piss me off because when it involve meaningless activities just for chilling (I'm not saying it's bad, everyone needs to chill)
"no problemo anon, let's go"
but when you actually have to put your brain on outside the 9-5 work hours
"sorry anon no can do that as I have no time"
>>54803481
meant WM not DM sorry I barely slept
>>54795372
Unity is great, fuck off
>>54803403
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2323309#dnr
>>54803459
Which intel GPU and which DE?
There are two big problems when it comes to desktop Linux UI/UX:
1) None of the technologies popular for creating end-user software under Linux are particularly well-suited for UI development. Yes, they work, but in the end it's all been designed with CS/engineering mindsets alone and that has a grave impact on the third-party software created for the platform.
This factor is consistently underestimated despite being crucial. In fact, most of the reason OS X is known for having well designed third-party apps is because Objective-C+Cocoa are mindblowingly good for crafting UI-based software. They're a bit lackluster from a raw performance standpoint, but that's why C and C++ code can be used seamlessly with Obj-C. It allows a "right too for the job" approach: Obj-C+Cocoa for the UI, C++ or C for flexibility and raw power.
This is lightyears ahead to the typical FOSS desktop dev's approach of shoehorning a single lang+toolset into every facet of a program whether it's suited or not.
>>54800022
how did you manage to fuck up a webm that bad?
>>54795372
Linux is a CLI system, desktop environments exist for faggots that dont like black backgrounds or need guis for configure LAMP
>>54803417
the fuck
>>54796786
Keep hearing this. Get compton. Tearing in video still exists. Go unity. Fucking perfect. Its not that I like unity and id much prefer xfce, but now screen tearing is forever noticable.
>>54803549 (cont)
2) The FOSS community is just ridiculously unfriendly to anybody who actually knows anything about human interaction or visual design. Whenever these folks try to contribute to some FOSS desktop project, they either get ignored or driven out because the climate is so acidic.
Between these two you end up with an OS and set of third-party applications that look and feel like they were designed by a potato.
>>54803410
https://steamcommunity.com/app/234650/discussions/0/540744935351966611/
>>54803456
It'll take forever but I'll do it.
>>54803481
what is with GNU shills and being dumb enough to get infected with spyware in 2016
>>54801014
whats the problem? just have it auto-hide then press win key when you need it
>>>54803402
>> What is a GTK theme ?
Something frowned upon by GTK's own developers and which also breaks every minor release?
>>54803698
>Not using gtk2
>>54795372
When you think all the available UIs suck, maybe you should look at the common factor - PEBKAC.
how is cinnamon?
>>54803642
thanks you, to be honest pharmacy
There is nothing wrong with Unity.
I think Unity at this point has got enough themes out there to make it look decent, it's pretty usable which is important and has better performance than gnome 3.
People used to hate it because amazon botnet and lack of customization, but those issues are pretty much solved.
>>54804155
I never tried out Unity, should I try it? It looks pretty nice.
>>54804258
Damn son, what is that?
>>54804267
It's just GNOME with some extensions and Paper Icon theme
>>54804258
Unity is not as customizable as others, depending on your needs you might not like it, I like it mostly because the top menu bar, the HUD and keyboard friendliness and that's it.
