>390 faster than 980
>Fury X faster than Titan X
>people unironically bought Nvidia in 2015
>>54759478
>you need a fury x to maintain greater than 60 fps
Why are games such unoptimised pieces of shit these days?
LE NEW KING XD
>AMD sponsored game
What a surprise
>>54759492
fuck off lincuck
>>54759478
TOPPEST LELKEK
NVIDIOTS BTFO
>>54759671
Fuck off >>>/v/
>>54759478
>800€ GPU needed to maintain 60fps
This shit does not benefit any side, it is just another unoptimised console port
>>54759606
AMD sponsor games are games that arent gimped by goyworks. So AMD performs as it normally should.
>my shitty high TDP circa 2013 video card outperforming Nvidia's 2015 flagship
the 290x was mean to compete against the 780, but now it's stomping the fuck out of the 980
Where did it go wrong, Nvidibros?
>>54759519
>R9 Nano CF worse than single R9 Nano
>GTX 970 SLI worse than single GTX 970
Probably best to ignore benchmarks for this game.
>>54759907
crossfire/sli is shit if the engine has interframe dependencies.
>>54759808
>console port
>only released on PC
>>54759967
he reminds me of this guy
>>54759478
It doesn't even have to beat it lol
The fact that amd is competing now has caused great distress in the Nvidia owner's life.
>>54759478
>Total War
>representative of anything other than shitty optimization
My last GPU was 280x, a beast of a GPU with high performance/dollar, but I really don't know why you'd use a Total War game as an example. Shadow of Mordor get 121FPS at 4K with 1080s in crossfire
>>54759847
Yeah this game and Hitman are the only ones that seem to use DX12 somewhat correctly so far.
>>54759478
>>54759519
>those Nano CF scores
Other than that, breddy gud for AMD.
>>54759808
lol port
>>54759478
Cherrypicked benchmarks dont mean jack shit you fucking shill
>>54760063
oh yeah pcgamer is famous for being big AMD shills
>>54759907
It's DX12, there is no real CF/SLI, the engine needs to support that shit and we don't know if it does or not.
>>54760063
I like how the tolerances are hehe
>>54759907
It means the SLI and CF are not working.
>>54759478
>cherry picking this hard
AMDrones becoming desperate.
the total war games have always been notoriously CPU bound. says a lot about AMD's H1B'd shill staff when they're that desperate to smear NVIDIA for putting out better products.
>>54760038
and drops to 42fps at minimum. Nearly the same as a single 1080 at minimum.
>>54760063
Lmao, that graph. 10/10.
>>54760161
>BTFO
looks like AMD is revving up the fake hype machine in preparation for another disappointing product launch. we saw the same fake bullshit right before we got bulldozer and the 390/x rebrands and the 'overclocker's dream' fury x as well.
>>54760265
looks like you're a fat cuck
>>54760338
indian detected
>>54760063
AMD btfo
>>54759515
By building your games to only run properly with 1500$ machines, you effectively silence any justified criticism about lack of optimization, because "IT'S YOUR PATATO PC NOT THE GAME XDDDD".
>>54760038
Total war, especially Attila is the most demanding benchmark you can get. Call it unoptimised but it isn't your average strategy game for that matter. Warhammer is well optimised on direct launch.
>>54760265
I have a devils canyon gm200 build ok and you got give it to amd, alot is on the line on their zen platform, then vega tbr next year. You can't possibly stay blue pilled your whole life drinking fluoride and gobbling up marketing and ignore that competition is healthy. If you had cash and traveled the world you would consider an amd build just for the lulz
Amds current progress is historical and constant, unless some jack rabbit is pulled out of the hat, theyre going to slowly but surely consume the market because its not like they have much to lose anyway. Besides their capitalisation is stronger than nvidia which is much more volatile, its just tech and not reactions and marketing bs
>>54760063
>>54760375
>That graph scaling
AYYYYYYYYYY
>>54759606
>AMD (a silicon company) helped CA (a game company) on how to use DX12 (a proprietary API by Microsoft) properly
>>54760609
wat? amd isn't making any progress at all. that's why they're floundering and hemorrhaging money and market share. if anything AMD should just sell RTG already so that they become managed by someone who isn't a retarded indian.
>>54761610
More like
>AMD (a silicon company) helped CA (a game company) gimp the shit out of nvidia cards to make their cards look good
>>54761884
You're gonna need to show some proof for that.
>>54761827
They made a long term investment in developing good GPGPU architectures which has not paid off in the short term, but GCN is definitely the way forward as opposed to nVidia's current half-assed solution which doesn't even have fully asynchronous compute.
>>54762758
Nvidia isn't winning, ergo AMD must be gimping them because /g/ genuinely believes Nvidia will outperform AMD no matter the scenario.
Why do you think there has been so much damage control over DX12? Its fundamentally shaking things up and team green fanboys don't like what they see.
>960 2GB getting more frames than the 4GB
I beg your pardon
>>54763197
Depends on the model, they surely ain't reference cards. 2G might have higher OC than 4GB.
>>54760161
Dood this ain't cherrypicking. This is picking all the DX12 benches that come out, showing every time over and over how NVidia is shit in async, making the 1080 a big flop (AAA titles are using DX12, so wow best 2016 card for 2015 or earlier titles! The way it's meant to be played™)
>>54761884
AMD usually sticks their GAMING EVOLVED™ logo on somewhere when they do that, same as Nvidia's THE WAY IT'S MEANT TO BE PLAYED™
>>54761884
It's not gimping. AMD tech is Open Source, so NVidia can cope. Gimpworks is not, and AMD suffers. Look at Tomb Raider, done with AMD, working flawlessly on NVidia. Then look at Witcher's Hairworks on AMD.
>>54763366
>le async maymay
back to india with you. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=dota2-vulkan-redux&num=3
NVIDIA crushes AMD in dx12 and vulkan games.
I would rather see benchmarks of games like Witcher 3 that have been out for a bit and are patched.
>>54759515
>consoles' hardware are holding gaming back!
>PC exclusive is released, takes a beefy rig to run it
>muh optimization!
>>54763481
On Vulkan in 4K a Fury (not X) performs almost as well as a 980ti and a 290 almost as a 980. Then there are the 285 and 260x which are budget cards of older gen and have no way to compete with a 970.
I think this is proof of what I said earlier, and also proof that you are a bad shill, just like phoronix.
>>54760609
>Total war, especially Attila is the most demanding benchmark you can get
I'm sure there are various Firestrike type benchmarks that are way more demanding.
It's a niche (irrelevant) game, and benchmarks particularly from older Total War games completely defecate on i7s even. Of course most gaming rigs don't need i7s. It's not demanding, just unoptimized.
>>54760063
>>54763556
you realize that was a margin of error result right? all the other benchmarks he did showed the AMD cards getting crushed.
keep in mind here that valve are the only ones with a proper vulkan renderer actually available to the public, and worked with AMD and Khronos for literally years to make this happen.
>>54763197
Most benches I've seen comparing 2gb to 4gb cards tend to show the 2gb one as 1-2 fps faster for some reason, in games that use less than 2gb vram at least.
Had the same issue when trying to decide between my 4gb or 2gb gtx 680.
>>54763593
Do you realize that there is no fucking DX12 there just to start? OpenGL render is bad for AMD, Vulkan is not. All Vulkan results show minimal difference from AMD and NVidia cards. Also, having almost the same result on 1280x1024 and 1920x1080 makes me just dump those benchmark and stick with 4k Vulkan, which is the one that actually stresses the GPU instead of being bottlenecked by CPU (goym all cards result equal, did you even check the benchmarks before shilling?)
Bonus note : confronting Maxwell vs 2x series is shilling, like putting polaris vs maxwell and calling the miracle. And putting in the fray low end cards (285 and 260x) vs top tier is plain retarded.
"LOOK GOY MY 390X OUTPERFORMS YOUR 840m, NVIDIA BTFO"
Try harder.
>>54763646
>Do you realize that there is no fucking DX12 there just to start?
indian detected: you're shilling for both currysoft and raja's rebranded GPUs.
>Bonus note : confronting Maxwell vs 2x series is shilling, like putting polaris vs maxwell and calling the miracle.
AMD should release some GPUs that aren't just straight rebrands and rehashes of GCN then.
>>54763680
>AMD should release some GPUs that aren't just straight rebrands and rehashes of GCN then.
What is Pascal
>>54763554
>Game isn't a good looker
>Eats GPUs
I buy power to run good looking games
>>54763587
>promotional slides
The shilling is too obvious
>>54759515
technical debt. no concurrency, parallelism or simd optimizations make code extremely easy to debug but can't easily be engineered in later as easily as they could've been when the game was being built from the ground up.
data oriented/driven design seems to try to alleviate some of that bad technical debt, but most devs aren't catching on and still write terrible object oriented shitcode
>>54759478
>>Fury X faster than Titan X
>in one game
Holy shit I'm convinced brb buying the fury x
>>54763848
In all DX12 games so far. Read : future AAA titles
>>54763867
Oh really?
Is it faster in Tomb Raider?
>inb4 'That benchmark doesn't count'
>>54763867
you mean one AMD sponsored game. all other DX12 and Vulkan titles so far have shown NVIDIA to be crushing AMD.
>>54763867
>future AAA titles
Future AAA titles are far more likely to be build on Vulkan than on DX12.
Example, Doom (patch is coming)
Vulkan is hugely favored by gamedevelopers because it is cross platform, so much easier to port from console to PC and vice versa.
Dx is just a huge pile of shit in that regard
>fury x dx 12
>70fps
>titan x dx 12
>40fps
Can't make this shit up
>>54763115
>muh cherrypicked benchmark
Oh let me guess the 99% other benchmarks in which the 1080 crushes AMD don't count?
>>54763928
Because 1080 is a new generation retard. It's meant to be compared to next generation amd flagship (vega not polaris)
>>54763940
>you should compare it to cards that aren't out yet
That's a fantastic idea, AMDrones are always so inventive
amazing how some AMD drones are trolling everyone with that benchmark article. AMD supplied a separate version of the game with specially tailored dx12 implementation, thats what those pics show... read the article... http://www.pcgamer.com/total-war-warhammer-benchmarks-strike-fear-into-cpus/
>>54764029
Are you insanely delusional or just astonishingly retarded? It's obvious it wins against older gen, and that's my everyone with an ounce of brain is waiting for both competitors' cards to take a stand. If you want a card now go with the 1080. If you want the best card for this gen and get the 1080 now, you're so retarded I have pity for you.
>>54764108
>Game is going to support DX12 and have that performance
>AMDRONES SHILLING OMG LOOK AT HOW THE GAME WILL RUN FOR 1 MONTH OMG NVIDIA IS BEST AMD IS KILL
Hope you're underage, because otherwise you're retarded
>>54764108
not a cherry picked benchmark or AMD sponsored game, its worse.. an AMD tailored version of Total War thats not even playable...
>>54764191
the developer didnt supply that version, AMD bypassed them and built a custom benchmark version of the game.
Yet you are so sure this is what the game will look like that once the dx12 patch is released right? thats what fanatism causes?
>>54764228
Look at Hitman. Look at AOTS. Answer yourself.
>who here with AMD stock
Ayy, I bought 2000€ worth of AMD stock 9 months ago because of the HBM hype it was getting and for being so low in value.
Now the value almost doubled, and if shit keeps going this way, with AMD doing great shit and nvidia fucking up, then it'll increase at least 4x the current value if Polaris, Vega and Zen are also amazing.
My best investment in years, thank you AMD.
>>54764259
what are you talking about, the benchmarks i have seen around with 1080 had it on top, even for Hitman or AOTS (smaller gap but still).
Also see:>>54763481
Btw, check that dx12 TotalWar bench again, it places the 1080 at equal performance of the normal 980. You really believe this tailored amd benchmark is reliable?
>>54764332
>what are you talking about, the benchmarks i have seen around with 1080 had it on top, even for Hitman or AOTS (smaller gap but still).
Just a little ahead of older gen cards is kinda a bad thing for NVidia
>Also see:>>54763481
Checked. It's a bunch of CPU-bottlenecked benchs on old render engines with top tier maxwell cards against only 2 previous gen AMD good cards (and 2 entry level cards). The only benchmark which matters (because the CPU bottleneck is not yet hit) is the 4k vulkan, and a fury (non x) almost beats a 980ti. Also, in other benches the margin is minimal (heck also a 260x seems comparable to a 980ti, wtf).
Oh and let's not forget the memelord that kept answering in memed instead of argumentating.
>Btw, check that dx12 TotalWar bench again, it places the 1080 at equal performance of the normal 980. You really believe this tailored amd benchmark is reliable?
It may have hit the CPU bottleneck. In that graph, all cards result mostly comparable (5fps difference). That's shit, and nobody can argue : TWW is a CPU bitch. In Ultra we actually hit the GPU limit and it shows the async capabilities
>>54764284
>with AMD doing great shit and nvidia fucking up
Not releasing cards is a great thing?
>>54764446
Releasing a maxwell rebrand is shit tho
>>54764492
How is it shit? Maxwell is still a relatively new architecture, much newer compared to the old GCN shit that AMD is still on.
Why would you expect Nvidia to release a brand new architecture each year but not hold AMD to the same standard?
>>54764284
>tfw didn't pull the trigger on several thousand shares at $1.6
I hate myself, I really do. Such a fucking pussy and I knew it was going to rise too.
how does my r9 290 fare these days
>>54759519
>been waiting all year for Warhammer
>decided to wait on buying a Nano because new meme cards
Why did I listen to you fucks??
>>54764565
The new meme cards are Polaris/Vega, which aren't out yet.
Nobody ever got hyped for the Nano.
>>54759519
CPU limited. Nvidia has worse DX12 support, so it's more limited.
>>54759515
It's a graphically intensive game, it probably wouldn't even run in 30 FPS on the current consoles.
>>54764565
Nobody got hyped for Nano except for people wanting to do very small sized builds.
The hype was on the Fury X, which I bought.
>>54763454
>it's not gimping when AMD does it
top kek
On a more mature note - can we for one get a relatively impartial DX12 game? So far every title was sponsored by one brand or the other with performance miraculously being better on that vendors cards.
AMD is in full shill force with DX12, but I'd like to see some rather more trustworthy info.
>>54759519
>960 2gb >4gb
???
>>54766380
Vulkan says more than dx12. You could benchmark for it in doom.
Man, I am so conflicted between getting a 970 or a r390 4gb
>>54759478
THANK YOU BASED AMD
>>54767676
Get a r9 390 8gb. They are close but i personally would hit the vram limits in modded skyrim and gta5.
>>54759478
AMD's software a shit so I went with nvidia.
>>54760063
nVidia WINS
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/05/27/from_ati_to_amd_back_journey_in_futility#.V0hNFb4f30Q
>In the simplest terms AMD has created a product that runs hotter and slower than its competition's new architecture by a potentially significant margin.
IT'S OVER, AMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT
>>54759478
>AMD in charge of staying solvent and not splitting apart at the seams
kek
They're fucking done
We Civil War now
>>54767818
What kind of software other than a driver does a gpu need according to you?
>>54767826
that fag is so butthurt, fuck him
hes literally spinning some shit story trying to hurt amd image because someone on the phone from amd told him to pack his shit and fuck off with his shill site forever LMAO
>>54768043
And yet there is plenty of evidence to support the story
>Where is the info on Polaris 10?
If AMD was confident enough, they would have released SOMETHING in response to the 1080's reveal to draw attention back to them. But they didn't. In marketing terms, that just screams of fear and lack of confidence.
>Raj and Lisa have never been in the same events together, always distanced
If you were at those events, you would have noted something tense between those to, as if they're not willing to talk or engage with each other unless they were forced to. Something's not right between the two and it really does seem like a battle of egos even before this story dropped.
>RTG spin-off going to Intel
This has been rumored since the Radeon Group formed. And it was Raj who did it all. Intel just signed an agreement to use AMD graphics technology in their future processors.
All signs are pointing to RTG joining forces with Intel, AMD be damned.
These rumors have a lot of truths to back them up. Can't wait for the other outlets to report on them and sink the AMD ship once and for all.
>>54759478
>>54759519
Pascal have Async they said...
>>54767826
>THEY DIDN'T GIVE ME FREE SHIT
>THEREFORE ITS HOTTER AND SLOWER
>THEREFORE THEY SUCK
Oh kyle
>>54760063
>>54759519
>1080p
Who cares.
I love watching AMD shills and Nvidia shills go to war on this board every time there's a new generation.
Because you know nobody who actually posts here on a regular basis gives a shit.
>>54768585
People who play real video games instead of rpg garbage. There are no IPS monitors at 4k with less than one frame of lag. how the fuck can you expect to hit your 1f links with 20ms lag?
>>54768664
>fps
Not everyone's a manchild
>>54768731
get off this fucking board your ignorance is astounding.
>>54768758
Hit a nerve, manchild?
Why is Fury so expensive? It's over 500$, you can buy GTX 980 cheaper.
And Fury X is more expensive than 980Ti. Why?
>>54768942
Stop being australian.
>>54763792
>play 2.5d game
>fps chugs down to 20
Tree of Savior, I'm looking at you. How on earth you managed to make a game that looks like it's from 2000 run so atrociously I'll never know.
I wouldn't be surprised to hear they had a bitcoin miner hidden away in there.
>>54768942
Australian prices? Low inventory?
>>54769121
It is very easy to waste system resources if you cannot into management. That is part of the reason why DX12 is marketed as not for plebs.
>>54768942
I'm not australian, these are US prices. 570$/680$ for Sapphire.
http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-TRIPLE-PCI-Express-Graphics/dp/B011D7A526
http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-PCI-Express-Graphics-21246-00-40G/dp/B01012TLSS
>>54769338
this is for
>>54768997
>>54769184
>>54763792
>Thinking is all about how pretty a game is
Game doesn't need to be pretty, just have a high delta.
If there's a high delta, it could be the shittiest looking game, but there's so much more for the GPU to do.
Same goes for reverse. Even if a game is low delta, with the right art style, it can still look gorgeous and run amazingly because there's so little change and focus to worry about.
>>54763832
Best comment in this thread
>>54761884
You can't gimp Nvidia cards. Amd uses no proprietary technology
>>54768664
>real video games
Feel free to fuck off back to >>>/v/ anytime tryhard faggot.
>>54769561
I'm sorry that 4k gaming is still in meme status and that you wasted your money on something that gimps your skill through technological limitations.
>>54768664
>People who play real video games
You fucking disgusting manchild fuck off to >>>/v/ for fucks sake.
>>54769635
Who said anything about 4k? 1440p or go home.
>>54759515
To hide the fact that said games aren't any fun to play.
>>54763572
Just to back up my point
>>54769679
R E K T
>>54759478
Why is the nano better than 390?
>>54771476
HBM
>>54771495
That and 45% more stream processors.
>>54771476
Uh, I dunno, perhaps its because its a fucking more advanced card?
>>54759478
What do the red colors mean? The legend only explains the blue colors.
>>54771645
They mean fast.
>>54759478
I never understood how 390 can cost so much. Its shit, I d rather buy a 970 for that money
>>54768585
1080p is the most common resolution.
>>54771670
even looses against the 970.. fucking amd piece of shit
>>54771476
Nigga I'm not going to even answer why, just look at the specs from both GPUs.
>>54771708
>that subtle text misalignment
>>54771708
that TDP is fake mind you. Both cards use around the same TDP in reality.
>>54771805
I'm sure someone would have corrected that if it was wrong.
>>54759478
direct x12
>botnet
into the trash the benchmark goes.
>>54771840
While TDP is not power draw (you knew that right)? Nvidia plays a bit fast and loose with their power related numbers these days.
>>54759478
>97th percentile
cherry picked data is cherry picked
>>54771873
Makes you wonder why they picked such an odd number, normally its 1% and 0.1% lows.
>>54771864
reference 970 not tested. into the trash this goes.
>>54771896
Strictly speaking the reference 970 was only for review samples before AIBs got their shit out. Much like reference 390/390x models.
>>54771931
blah blah blah
when talking tdp the reference will always be the closest to the factory description. not including one regardless nullifies any data thereof considering there is no control.
>>54772057
Its almost as if Nvidia didn't release a reference TDP so they could fool people into thinking their card was less thirsty than it really is because nearly every AIB model is overclocked! Surely that can't be true can it? Nvidia wouldn't just lie like that would they?
>>54772104
>>54771931
alas there's a metric fuckton of reference 970's on the market including ne ones so the shilling is unnecessary
>>54763115
Is luxmark dependent on FP64 performace? Because that's one area where AMD cards regularly trounce Nvidia. I understand that it's pretty useless to have good double-precision float performance in a gaming oriented card though.
