Why is Windows so hard to use?
>>54730427
Linux wines again..
When will ''winfags" learn
>>54730427
>litterally
>>54730427
Why are linux users so retarded?
>>54730453
>heh I was worried that I had to refute your argument but I see that you made a typo. Better luck next time kid.
>>54730427
your picture contradicts itself though. you wrote sudo apt-get install php5, not install php5
>>54730427
>sudo
>apt-get
These two steps are left out and would need explaining to a person. Apt-get is not included with every Linux distribution. You need to know what you are going to type to get a program using Apt-Get, which usually entails a google search, making the number of steps really not much different from Windows.
The only big advantage for Linux here is the avoidance of adware.
>>54730454
Not an argument, winfaggot
>>54730427
What version of php5 am I getting?
Where is it being installed?
Linux fags used to make fun of Windows users for pressing the easy button, now they brag about it themselves. How times have changed.
Because you're mentally retarded.
>>54730524
Get over it windork.
>>54730572
nice trip nerd
>>54730572
>they're a tripfag
>they're a tomato
>they're also cute
THANKS FOR MAKING THIS THREAD BETTER
>Install Ubuntu
>No drivers for my wireless card exist
>Network card drivers sketchy at best
>Take a bunch of time to learn how to install/get software
>Have to learn all new commands
>Works good, ill go to bed
>Turn computer off
>Turn on computer, blinking line, nothing else
>Restart computer, same thing
>Post in forum
>"Just happens sometimes you should probably just reinstall"
>Reinstall Ubuntu
>says I need admin password to do anything
>never set up admin password
>Reinstall
>Not asking for that anymore
>Do all steps from first one again
>There's an update available, do you want to install it?
>Might as well, hit install
>Update installs, need to restart
>Restart computer
>Black screen blinking line
LINUX IS GREAT GUYS, WINDOWS IS TOO COPLICATED ENJOY YOUR BOTNOT LOL WINBLOWS IS ONLY USED BY DUMBS HEHEH IM A 1337 SUPER USER, ONE DAY ILL HAVE A JOB IN THE TECH INDUSTRY EVEN THOUGH I DIDNT GO TO SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY MADE ME USE WINDOWS AND THAT DIDN'T RESPECT MY FREEDUMB
How does software installation works on Linux if no Internet is available?
>>54730651
>no Internet is available
As in it happens outside of nightmares?!?!? I would have preferred not to know that
>>54730605
All I got from this post is that you are somehow too retarded to install Ubuntu senpai
>>54730572
Because trusted repositories
>>54730605
k tard
>looking for a basic program on linux
>find one that does what I want
>even have a linux option in the downloads, great!
>look through all the files it gave me
>start trying to run them
>none of them will actually open anything at all
Then I went back to windows, downloaded the file, ran the .exe, and everything worked fine.
Not sure why any average power user would use linux.
>>54730572
>open source software
>'could be just virus itself'
>>54730671
Did you try not being retarded and using Google? I certainly hope you weren't looking for an exe in the folder
>>54730671
>average power user
>windows
top kek ya little bitch
>>54730605
>Installing Ubuntu ever
>>54730671
>average windows-only user
>>54730722
All necessary Linux software is open source or a part of trusted repositories
And explain how long-time open source software can 'damage your computer'
>>54730694
I tried to run every single file the download provided me with and every single one did absolutely nothing.
OP is advertising that you don't even need to worry about going above simply typing in a command, and now you're telling me I not only need to go through the same exact process I already do on windows, but now I need to go and search online about why I can't even run a basic program I've downloaded?
>>54730710
>>54730720
Yes. I'm a power user who plays high end games with my expensive rig. Whereas you guys fiddle with $200 laptops and watch anime. Do you not know what power user means?
>>54730524
>oh look, this program wants to be installed to My Documents
>>54730749
i didn't call you a power user, fucking retard, I implied that the average windows-only user has similar intelligence to yourself, as in not being able to install programs on linux.
>>54730749
>Power user
>Plays games
>>54730749
Not every package is going to be in the repository retard, try learning a bit more about Linux before bashing it because you can't research simple shit
>power user
>doesn't know how to type in "how to install programs on Linux" into Google
>>54730749
>Yes. I'm a power user who plays high end games with my expensive rig
dude this isnt the tech cringe thread
>>54730505
its called apt-cache search
What software installs look like on Linux/BSD distros:
Debian-based: # apt-get install kek
Red Hat-based: # dnf install kek
OpenSUSE: # zypper install kek
Arch: # pacman -S kek
Gentoo: # emerge kek
Slackware: # slackpkg install kek
FreeBSD: # pkg install kek
OpenBSD: # pkg_add kek
Once you know that # indicates you've typed in your root (i.e. admin) password, it all seems a lot less confusing, doesn't it? With the exception of Gentoo and Arch, the syntax is just:
[name of package manager] install [program]
If you think clicking on a bunch of shit and hoping to Pajeet you don't get malware bundled with your software install is simpler than this very straightforward syntax, maybe computers aren't for you.
>>54730800
>doesn't know what a strawman is
>doesn't know what FOSS software is
>doesn't know what a trojan horse is
>also i'm going to avoid talking to you now or even respond to your current arguments
Nice
my sides
fucking kek
>>54730737
Trusted repository =\= audited packages. There's a huge difference. You can still download malicious software and code from"trusted repos."
>>54730767
I installed plenty of programs. I had to go find some weird obscure guide on a random forum about how to do something as basic as getting my video drivers, whereas on windows I would simply go to the website and download them, but with Linux there were 20 more steps involved, all of which I figured out and accomplished.
I got many games working through Wine, although 90% of them were broken and unplayable because of various bugs that occurred from the emulation process.
Then when I wanted to download a simply program to mess with some data, it was impossible.
>>54730781
Once again,
>OP advertises installing programs is as simple as typing in a command line and being done with it
>get told that's simply not true and that it's much easier on windows
>UM R U STUPID IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE LINUX IS FOR HARDCORE NERDS OK?
You're literally completely contradicting OP's original point right now you incompetent fuck.
>>54730771
>>54730785
I'm sorry but your posts hold little influence if you refuse to explain the exact standard you have for a "power user". Until then your posts are just shit-posts.
>>54730807
>red hat
Not sure if CentOS is different, but I just use yum install kek
>>54730572
>doesn't understand how open source works
>>54730793
wrong
it's just apt search now
and apt install
and apt whatever
apt-* is deprecated.
>>54730840
you write like a 13 year old trying really hard to write like an adult
>>54730843
Centos and redhat are based on older versions of fedora that used yum. In new fedora versions yum is deprecated
>>54730840
>20 steps to install your video drivers
If you count the first 20 times you tried typing random shit into the terminal as 'steps', sure
>90% of them were broken and unplayable
Half of my entire Steam library is completely playable on Linux natively, with most of the rest working fine on wine. For others, I switch to Windows (luckily, this is rare)
>to download a simply program to mess with some data, it was impossible.
>this linux program is impossible to install on linux!
>>54730843
YUM was recently deprecated in favor of DNF.
>>54730524
Windows:
>always the latest version
>no dependency conflicts
>easy to install
Linux:
>outdated versions
>tons of dependency conflicts if you want to install a newer version than the supplied.
>getting the latest version may require compiling manually, then packaging
>hard to do if you're dumb
>>54730839
no shit?
>>54730669
>implying a 3(or four) letter agency can't push some maintainer give his private key and upload rogue packages.
>>54730912
>>54730912
Windows software : ported to Windows from Linux with a GUI so idiots don't get confused
>>54730840
>You're literally completely contradicting OP's original point right now you incompetent fuck.
Fun fact, I'm not OP retard, I'm bashing you for not being able to Google simple shit. Here, I'll help you out, "power user"
http://www.control-escape.com/linux/lx-swinstall-tar.html
I will say installing shit IS easier on Linux if it's in the repository, just as hard as Windows if not.
>>54730471
You don't literally hit install shit for brains
>>54730942
if it's in the repository
>>54730940
so... it just werks!
>>54730950
Yes, and whatever you need will be a good chunk of the time.
>>54730667
Yea have fun with Linux being anything but a niche software with that attitude. I hope you now understand why Windows is like it is
>>54730896
>all you have to do to run these programs is type this one command
>except for these programs you need to run through wine, which has to be configured separately
>and some don't run at all on Linux, you still need to reboot into Windows!
Thank God Linux is so simple to use :•)
I use it on a daily basis and have for years, but most of /g/ has their head up their ass about how straightforward most Linux operations really are. You their simplicity out the window when you get to anything complex enough to involve a config file, because nearly every developer insists on writing their own specific parser and format for their config files, which will spit out non-specific error codes when you forget a period or add a comma somewhere buy accident, then eventually break on some update when they switch to json/lua/yaml/flavor-of-the-month parsers. You guys always make the stupidest arguments for Linux too. There's a lot of great reasons to use Linux, but "it just werks" isn't one of them.
>>54730840
My definition of a power user is someone who doesn't run random files and hope something works :^)
>>54730978
Why are you replacing 'games' with 'programs'? Unfortunately, game devs tend to not make things playable on Linux, this has nothing to do with programs in general.
>I use it on a daily basis and have for years
Complete bullshit, the amount of trouble you are obviously having performing simple tasks says otherwise
>software is not in the repository
well shit, now you have to go find it as well.
What is NuGet lol.
>>54730974
Except I'm not saying that Linux is hard and it should be, I'm saying you are too stupid to get through a simple installer. Have you successfully installed Windows before, or did you just buy a gaming laptop with it preinstalled?
>>54731009
M8, if your only argument is "nuh-uh, I don't believe you use Linux!" Then you don't have much of one to make.
>>54731024
Why would I have to make an argument if I already have one?
Nice sentence structure, now go back to exclusively using Windows because Call of Duty doesn't work on install.
>>54730978
Uh-oh, someone's confusing configuration with installation
>>54730427
But I like using my mouse instead of my keyboard :^)
>>54730605
sudo passwd root
oh nooo, 2 hard 4 me.
Your post literally just shows how dumb you are.
>>54731045
>Complaining about sentence structure and call of duty
>>54731019
a developer-only feature
>>54731055
Did you read my post? I'm addressing Linux complexity and installation as separate topics.
>>54731068
>No justification for your retarded windows-only logic
>>54731083
I don't even use Windows, I don't know why you'd think I advocate windows-only.
>>54731080
You complained about not being able to use certain Windows programs on Linux which has nothing to do with installation and configuration files
>>54730471
le Counter-signal memey for le fashy goyim ;^)
>>>/pol/
>>54731104
Good thing that complaint was a separate topic in a separate paragraph then.
>>54730767
Whereas most linux users will be somewhat proficient at Windows. ;)
>>54730974
Windows is harder to install than Ubuntu, you seem to have no knowledge at all about computer monkeying
>>54731103
Sure senpai
>I literally haven't mentioned a single reason to use Linux while bashing it in every post, but I have used Linux every day for years
>>54731118
I addressed both your points
>IF IT'S SO EASY WHY CAN'T IT INSTALL SOFTWARE WRITTEN FOR A SEPARATE OS
>>54730454
HAHAHAH GOOD ONE BRO
CAN'T EVEN INSTALL STUFF WITHOUT SEARCHING THE INTERNET FOR 5000 YEARS
>>54731126
I obviously wouldn't keep using it if I didn't feel it was worth it.
>>54730974
It's not niche
See: Android, aka normie/linux. It even has a desktop version, retart.
The typical "UNIX workstation but better" linux distro is MEANT to be niche, despite the absolutely fucking retarded, developmentally disabled, slow in the mind, double digit IQ idiot nerds that keep telling you it's fine because they only post on 4chan, run terminal IRC clients (leeter), and jerk off to faux minimalism.
>>54731005
Looks like you've conceded and resorted to shit-posting.
I will add this to my list of internet arguments won then, if you don't mind.
Ok windoze shills. Linux is harder to use, keep away from it. We don't want your retarded asses asking dumb questions all the time in any ways.
Linux in a nutshell
>install programs all day errday ez peasy
>hmm time to do some clean up
>uninstall program
>out goes dependencies
>out goes working nix installation
wouldn't fucking touch this bastardization of OSes if my life depended on it.
>>54730749
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware#fnref-59b1a6a24cc7f124d6c7b11f4930cbca3df1145f
read up nigger
>>54731159
As long as this thread taught you basic Googling skills
>>54731169
>things that never happen
>>54731176
>read this in depth wiki guide on how to do something that would take you 3 clicks on windows
>>54731158
Let's not be disingenuous, Android is more Java then anything else.
>>54731158
Shill harder. My linux workstation is much much more secure, productive and enjoyable to use than Windows one can ever be.
>>54731169
Yeah, that never happens.
>>54731180
>things that happen literally all the fucking time
>>54731182
More productive than running random files
>>54731189
Are you retarded?
I'm capable in both.
Windows for user shit like documents, web-browsing, games, watching movies. Basically ease of use.
Linux for server related shit like samba, ldap, apache, web-hosting, media-hosting, etc. Shit where you need to enter text files, add your own shit to get shit working.
Do you linux shills really think that your average "lel I luv tech xD" retard (read: 95%+ of the worlds population) have the intelligence needed (which is not a lot) to correctly set up a system through editing text config files without fucking up? Because I don't.
>>54731195
And less productive than running windows.
>>54731192
Yeah? You have used Linux over and over again and that happens to you everytime? Sorry dude
>>54730480
You're right if you wrote sudo apt-get install php5, not install php5
>>54731169
apt-get remove/purge/whatever PROGRAM
so hard.
>>54731204
Not really, once you learn the manual method of installing programs it's just as quick. Too bad you'll never know because Google is too hard
I really want a competitor to windows but to be honest, Linux is never gonna be one unless there is a dumb down version that's easy to learn for normal people, and also safe.
I've tried linux, hell my cousin has it on his shitty ass laptop.
But after trying for hours to figure out how to boot and keep your settings save on a usb drive, I gave up on it.
I'll install it on my next laptop or something, but as of right now even if I were to install it on my main, it will be a liability.
>>54731169
*Debian in a nutshell.
>falling for the debuntu meme
Ignore the comics, debuntu users are the real archfags.
"Hey guys install this you'll be just as leet and its easier to use than everything if you're not an idiot trust me it's stable"
Fedora, void, and gentoo. Accept no substitutes.
>>54731169
then stop deleting the dependencies when you remove the software, retard.
>>54731214
Why is it not uninstall instead of remove? Wouldn't going for the most intuitive name be better?
>>54731203
You don't need to edit a single text file when installing Ubuntu.
>>54731216
>it's pretty much just as quick as long as you just ignore the fact that you no longer have access or are able to run 95% of the software available
lintards
>>54730749
power user is basically a marketing term meant to make consumerist babies feel like hot shit. somewhere, some nerds redefined it to mean "home sysadmin", but in the media, power user means you're not a complete normie because you upgrade your own hardware, and you should feel good about that and buy from companies that call you a power user.
as far as computing goes, power user is applied to gamers like automotive enthusiast is applied to highschoolers with body kits on their civics
>>54731234
You couldn't back up what you just said even if you tried
>>54731200
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_software_development
>Android software development is the process by which new applications are created for the Android operating system. Applications are usually developed in Java programming language using the Android software development kit (SDK)
Feel free to look through the code base yourself.
>>54730760
I install my programs to several different places. I like being able to throw an executable anywhere I want to put it.
>>54731248
>only reason for a normal high functioning person to use a computer is for email, social media, and video games
>99% of video games don't work on linux
Less than 120 seconds to btfo you kid.
>>54731252
Anon, I think you need to learn the difference between programming languages and kernels
>>54731252
What is your point? Yes, user end applications run on JVM. So what?
>>54731223
>keep your settings save on a usb drive
if you're talking about generic settings, just set them up on the usb file then do a hard-/softlink.
But yeah, I agree that it is too much for your average retard (read: you) to do although it is pretty easy.
>>54730605
This story only left you as a retard no windows neither linux.
>>54731261
As I thought
>>54731253
Which is why windows becomes a complete ness in 2 months.
>put snes emulator on flash drive
>take to a friend's house
>plug drive in
>double click on emu exe
>play games
How would I go about doing this with Linux? Assuming he is also running it on his PC.
>>54731265
Saying that Android is normie Linux is disingenuous. It's based more off of and relies more on Java than Linux.
>>54731253
You should only install to /usr and /opt, and only have /usr in your path. Never install anywhere your regular user can write to. Never mount anything your user can write to without nooexec.
Security 101.
>inb4 "but openbsd...."
The openBSD guys are security retards that don't believe in caution and mitigation because doing so would be admitting that their OS isn't perfect and their audits aren't magical, making years of refusing to add a good journaling filesystem 'cuz bloat meaningless.
>>54731281
>How would I go about doing this with Linux?
You wouldn't.
>>54731276
I know where every .exe on my PC is, and in the off chance I misplace something there is a search function.
>>54731281
Exactly the same can be done in linux, assuming you put all it's dependencies with it like you do on Windows. If it's single executable, it is even easier.
>>54731282
Anon, I think you need to learn the difference between programming languages and kernels
>>54731231
You're saying that most software in linux has GUI configuration? Because that is news to me.
>>54731292
>I know where every exe on my PC is.
I can bet you $5000 you don't.
>>54731231
If you just run ubuntu without installing any software at all, then I guess you're fine.
>>54731295
Okay bud.
>>54731281
>static linking
>pls mount my usb with executable permissions bro i swear its not a virus
>>54731287
Why would you be so worried about that if Linux is so secure and doesn't have any kind of viruses or malware?
And I'm pretty sure the NES emulator I downloaded and tossed in a folder labeled "emu shit" on my third hard drive isn't going to steal my identity or blackmail me.
>>54731304
Whatever average normie uses, has a gui.
>>54731304
Most good software
If you install godwaful 80s shit like urxvt and vim because you think it'll make your computer faster, that's your own fault.
>>54731182
>in depth wiki guide
i only linked one footnote
keep trying power user
>>54731311
There are a ton of them wrapped up in various Windows services, but I know where those are if I ever actually wanted to do anything with them.
>>54731182
Press F1 you wintard. You will still get pages long manual on every dumb software.
>>54731326
We're talking about people who actually use their computers for things so average normie isn't relevant.
>>54731275
>HE PLAYS GAMES, LEL FUKIN KID
>I DON'T PLAY GAMES COS IM AN ADULT!!!!
I'm tired of this shit where linux retards claim everyone that plays video games are dumb kids. It's the same shit where you say everyone that uses linux is a opensource-loving neckbeard retard like stallman.
Also,
>btw do you like my anime waifu background ^__^? Anime is for adults xDDDD
>>54731335
I can even bet you don't know every software that you installed yourself.
>>54731351
Normies are relevant because your initial argument was about normies.
>>54731351
>your average "lel I luv tech xD" retard
The more I read on /g/ the more I start to believe the idea that most of its Linux users don't actually do much of anything with their computer beyond ricing and shitposting. This is why they believe everything is so easy.
>>54731368
Try programming in C C++ Python web stuff on Linux and then on Windows. Windows is literally hell.
>>54731358
I didn't say any of that you sperg
>>54731362
>I can even bet you don't know every software that you installed yourself.
I know every bit of it. Including all the bits and pieces included in every Windows update. If you're not going to respect the other side of the argument (Windows users) here, why should I bother continuing with you?
All of this is in regards to Windows 7 btw. I hope you have at least been assuming that.
>>54731315
>new software is created in java programming language
>ANDROID ISN'T BASED ON LINUX; YOU GUYS!!
You're embarrassing yourself.
>>54731368
I usually program or surf on Linux
>>54731385
nah, it's pretty sweet actually. visual studio, pycharm, etc makes things a breeze
flask is fucking dope
>>54731368
you aren't wrong but you can add net engineers/sysadmins to that list
>>54731385
Programming is babby-mode no matter what OS you use (in terms of getting the software set up). It has little dependency on hardware.
>>54731386
you implied it heavily.
Also, if I was a sperg I wouldn't understand the sarcasm in your post.
>>54731317
Security is the same as in buildings. If you let someone in, your security measures mean nothing. Every program you install is a program you trust, and runs with your permissions. That means it can write to wherever you can and execute whatever you can execute.
You need more advanced configurations (real world example: buildings with keycard access for individual rooms and heavy duty doors/windows) to stay safe beyond that, but they aren't practical at all.
>>54731388
I doubt you do but let's say you do. Still are you saying it is worse to have a program that manages all that stuff for you. Every file is organized and can easily be found later on. How is that worse?
>>54731409
I said "As I thought" because you didn't actually back up what you said and I called you a sperg because you were sperging out
>>54731398
Flask is dope as long as you don't use some other python packages. Then windows hell comes in.
>>54731401
Yes if you use visual studios that does all the ugly stuff in the background. Try installing compiler and linker separately on windows.
>>54731366
Excuse me? I'm practically a Linux pro. I even did LFS (that's "Linux From Scratch") before going back to Arch Linux, which combined an emphasis on power users and ease of use. I'm no "retard", as you crudely put it. I spend most of my day doing real work on Linux. I regularly configure, in plaintext, my tiling window manager I downloaded from the AUR (I also had to set that up). So no, you windork noobuntu user, I'm not your average "I luv tech xD" retard, I'm an arch user. Learn some respect.
>>54731416
I don't want its organization system. I want my system.
I don't want to have to install every little thing. There's a program I use to scrape twitter accounts for all the photos from that user. It doesn't need to be installed. You uncompress the file and run the exe.
You might say this is dangerous but Windows does have built-in safe guards against programs writing data in places they should not be. And there is Windows Defender/MSE, which I am sure you will scoff at.
>>54731433
You said "As I thought" completely disregarding the various video games as software.
why do normies even own computers?
>>54731470
Video games aren't "95%" of software
>>54731453
is this a joke
>>54731434
>yeah it is easy if you don't shoot yourself in the foot
>try shooting yourself in the foot
well no shit.
>>54731477
my dad brought one from his work back in 2000, not tech related though
>>54730749
Holy shit hahaha
>winkids
>>54731496
No, the real joke is Windows users, who will literally never be this good.
>>54731504
Yep, because windows just works. You don't need to fucking do research on how to get a shit ass FLOSS program working on a freetard os.
download
install
use
Easy.
>>54731482
Oh, so figure of speech is not allowed? He needs to list the "95% of software" individually? My bad. Didn't know I was arguing with an autist that takes everything literally.
>>54731521
Same thing for OS X
>>54731462
I do the same in pycharm on linux. I have not installed it, just unpacked and ran the executable.
>>54731541
So you're saying you can't back up the original statement
>>54731462
Linux has safeguards against programs writing data in places they shouldn't be as well.
It's called not running the program with heightened rights, plus the basic fucking file system.
>>54731497
So if you want to program but don't want to use microshit's bloated ecosystem, you are shooting yourself in the foot?
>>54731559
You disprove it instead by listing more than 5% of software that does work.
You might wanna make multiple threads for this since I don't think one thread would be enough to list all the software.
>>54731521
is this also a joke
>>54731567
No, but claiming that shit is hard to do on windows then refusing to make it simple kinda is.
>>54731585
I didn't make the original claim, I just said he couldn't back it up, just like you can't right now
I have nothing to prove here
>>54731598
I am comparing the exact same tasks.
>>54731603
So you're just grasping straws?
>>54731106
>heh I was worried that I had to refute your argument but I see that you posted a familiar meme that perfectly applies to the current situation. For some reason this invalidates you kid.
>>54731629
Why am I grasping at straws? I told him he couldn't back up what he said and he couldn't. There's nothing more to it
Ok guys, this went just like every other winsows vs linux thread. Let's call it a /thread and finish.
>>54731609
>yeah if you use visual studios that does all the ugly stuff in the background
>try not using visual studio
okay
>"If you want to punch nails into wood, it is pretty hard"
>"no it isn't, just use a hammer"
>"oh yeah? try not using a hammer. Lol GG thought so fagget".
>>54730480
>your picture contradicts itself though. you wrote sudo apt-get install php5, not install php5
Holy pedant, batman.
>>54731640
>>54731631
>>54731594
Wintards at work. Typical. Apt-get a brian for once.
>>54731640
asking someone to literally list 95% of all software created is because you weren't happy with his examples is grasping at straws.
>Install Linux
>It deletes the BIOS firmware from my motherboard now it doesnt even POST
>not even once
>Linux
>hey this file browser is nice, I'd like to install it on another system
>let's see what it's called
>window says Files
>about menu says Files
>desktop file in /usr/share/applications says Files
>actual name is thunar
>>54731679
>asking someone to literally list 95% of all software created
Quote me where I asked him to do literally that, I'll wait
>>54731655
Ok simple task. Installing python package that needa compilation:
Linux: install compiler by running one command and then run pip install
Windows: start googling, find out that pajeets in microsoft don't have a separate installer for a compiler, dowbload 1gb worth of useless garbage just to get a compiler, then try running pip install, it still can't find the compiler. Now figure out how to tell pip where the compiler is...
>>54731682
You gotta be a special kind of stupid to do something like that
>>54730505
It's not same thing at all. A Win user has to find the file on the internet, download it, and run the installer. *Nix only need to type the correct syntax for the file that they wanted to install, their package manager automates downloading and installing the software.
nix- like user doesn't have to do a manual install because the package manager does that for them.
>>54731715
>actual Windows use case
>find python plugin as part of IDE
>install automatically
>done
>>54731699
>asked him literally that
you're not happy with his examples. If you don't want him to list all possible software, please give a specification about what you want him to list.
>>54731733
Lol no. You can't do that. Even if it was possible, you still shouldn't depend on IDE.
>>54730427
I'd say they both suck.
>you'd say, kek macfag detected
for what I'd say, no, sucks also
>you'd say, lol, wut? retard alert, what the fuck do you use then faggot?
for what I'd say, they all suck, just use the one that sucks less for your needs
>you'd say, kek, faggot, carrotface,
>>54731742
A source that says something along the lines of Linux not being able to run most software.
And since he couldn't provide that, I was right.
>>54731760
You literally can, silly goose.
>b-but you shouldn't do that, it would make installations too easy!
Linux arguments in a nutshell.
>>54731760
>Even if it was possible, you still shouldn't depend on IDE.
this is why Linux isn't taken seriously as a user platform
>want to do something with Python
>there are multiple, free of charge programs with hundreds of features designed for this purpose
>NO I WANT TO DO IT ALL MANUALLY
>well sorry the OS isn't made for that
>I KNEW IT FUCKING CLOSED SOURCE SHILLS
lmfao can you even do this shit in lincux?
>>54731804
You can specify install locations, yes
>>54731816
using apt-get/pacman/whatever? and doesn't it break shit because shared libraries?
>>54731800
Not him but friendly reminder that you are doing pic related instead of decent arguments.
>>54731830
>posting an mspaint comic
Looks like he won.
>>54730427
2 hours and 200+ posts later, and /g/ is still arguing about this shitty bait. It's even written in fucking comic sans.
>>54731885
this is more entertaining to me than animu desktop threads and people arguing over smartphones
>>54731896
Same desu I've been starting arguments about how terrible Linux is in between episodes of the x-files.
>>54731918
nigga X files is some comfy shit I started season 1 but kinda dropped it around the chupacabra episode. Gotta pick it up again
>>54730572
by this logic you should not install anything on windows though
>because 'linux viruses do not exist' mentality
This is at best an strawman, you made that argument by yourself, research a bit more if you want to make an argument that worth to actually be debated
>>54731169
Rofl thats not how it fucking works
>>54730651
same as on windows, you can backup your .deb packages with a tool like aptoncd or just copying themsa
>>54731935
The chupacabra episode isn't until like season 4.
There best episodes are either legitimately good (Clyde Bruckman, fluke man, colony and end game, fucking Home Jesus that still gives me the willies) or cheesy and funny (Jose Chung and the aliens smoking cigarettes in prison). The bad ones are just confusing or forgettable, but they're not that bad if you watch them in the background.
>>54730671
>Not sure why any average windows "power user" unwilling to learn anything else would use linux.
FTFY
>>54730737
>All necessary Linux software is open source or a part of trusted repositories
where is my professional NLE with advanced color correction and intermediate codec support?
>>54732012
this is the one I was thinking of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_(The_X-Files)
guy with incisions in neck and drained blood, made me think of chupacabra
>>54730505
>The only big advantage for Linux here is the avoidance of adware.
and really easy software updates
I seriously don't get how people live without package managers. Sure, most programs have a internal autoupdate checker, but that's only because windows is shit at updates.
>>54730427
Look man, Linux is useful MOSTLY for servers. It's not the best for home computing (given that Ubuntu and the like are changing this). So when it comes to installing packages, yes Linux is easier, but lets say we wanted to play GTA 5 on Linux, there's gonna be a more complicated set up (yes it's possible).
So please don't be one of those people who use Linux and does not take advantage of it's features that make it great for development and server administration. Please don't be a hipster faggot.
>>54732038
Oh yeah, another x- files spooky twins episodes. It was okay. There interesting twist was realizing the older twins were the good guys and trying to stop the younger ones. EBE and Beyond the Sea are good ones in that season.
>>54731695
lol. Click the about button in the menu u fuckimg retard
>>54732106
here's the nautilus about menu :^)
>>54732179
>clicks Thunar in order to launch the program
>hurr durr
>>54732198
...what?
>gives you the freedom to choose your install location
>gives you the freedom to install for all users or just you
>gives you the freedom to choose to add a start menu icon and place it on your desktop
Why do Lincucks hate freedom?
>>54730667
>somehow too retarded to install Ubuntu
Daily reminder that Stallman has never actually installed GNU/Linux himself.
>>54732200
>...what?
>File manager window is labeled Thunar
>herp derp
>>54732239
I just gave a file manager off the top of my head, I was clearly thinking of nautilus. Are you going to defend the retardation of not including the program name on any readily visible screen? This isn't the only one, by the way
also the Thunar window is labeled as "File manager" in xfce
>>54730524
>What version of php5 am I getting?
package_manager_command command_to_show_package_information php
>Where is it being installed?
Why do you care? How does it affect you? Usually it's in /usr/bin and other files in /usr/share/program_name
>>54731695
>>about menu says Files
Lies. I am not going to install Thunar just to prove you wrong though. You can do that yourself by posting Thunar's about page.
>>54732271
Because you turned on "Generic Name" inside the settings.
Files is the new name of Nautilus. I also doubt its executable is named Files. It's not on Arch's packages and I doubt it's on Ubuntu's/Debian's.
>>54732311
I didn't turn on shit, I'm talking about default settings
>Files is the new name of Nautilus. I also doubt its executable is named Files
>program has a new name
>executable is the old name
you're literally making my point
>>54732311
>>54732271
>/usr/bin/nautilus
http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/amd64/nautilus/filelist
If you're an advanced user who's in a position to pick a new, non-default file manager, you're also surely advanced enough to use one of the different ways to find out a program's name.
>launch it; ps aux; up the latest process
>check out the .desktop file you're using to start it
>right click the menu entry for pretty much every taskbar; it has a detailed info page (even the most barebones proper panel like lxpanel)
>>54732334
the first 2 options represent a process that should never be this complicated compared to clicking an about page. The third option doesn't work in GNOME
>>54730605
You must have a shit computer hey. I installed ubuntu on my toshiba laptop from 07 and everything worked out of the box
>>54732029
Why is it always the utmost niche software that people use as arguments against general adoption of linux?
They meant basic software that a home user might need, but you knew that :^)
By all means, if you need software that only runs on one OS for your work, or you just prefer one OS over another, then just do your thing.
Most people would manage with a basic Linux install just fine.
I think Linus outlines what would be needed for ANY traction to be gained here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFKxlYNfT_o
After it becomes viable, then one can convince big software studios to even consider loonix.
until then, ignore retards winging about which OS is better and how great Wine is.
>>54732311
>>54732332
GNOME has shit planning/execution
More news at 7.
>>54732362
Name another program whose About page lists a different, generic name. You're blowing this out of proportion and trying to make it seem like every other program is affected by it.
You also forgot one other thing: you know you're on GNOME. You can just search the internet for GNOME file manager and you'd see its name. The name change is also recent. I assume it will slowly be phased out, just like for the other GNOME programs like GNOME Photos.
All I have taken away from this thread is that the majority of Linux users seem to be arrogant assholes.
Who gives a fuck what OS other people use? I say try them all and use the one you find best for you.
>>54732417
>Name another program whose About page lists a different, generic name
actual name - file-roller
>>54732215
This
How can Linux fags even compete?
Hi, you heated world wide web debaters!
I use windows 7. I grew up using windows: 98, xp, vista (yikes!), and now I'm happily using windows 7.
I don't like the changes they made with windows 8 or 10, thats why I've decided to stick with windows 7.
I'm in college and having Microsoft Office is the best way to integrate with my classmates for group projects, my professors for online assignment submissions, and god knows how embarrassing it is when your PowerPoint looks weird on the projector because you used some weird open source office!
The games I like to play are designed to work with windows 7, I sure do enjoy my game time.
I've even "riced" my desktop with programs like rainmeter and rocket dock, how cool is that?
I've upgraded my hardware bit by bit over the years and there's never an issue with driver incompatibility, which is relieving when you've just spent hundreds of dollars on a new graphics card!
I've never had a virus in the 6 years I've used windows 7. My anti-virus software works great and I'm savvy enough to know what to look out for when downloading things to avoid the ones that might slip through the cracks.
Now don't get me wrong, Linux looks really cool, I wish windows was as customize-able as Linux, and the way you can do so much just from a command prompt is really neat and probably faster once you've spent a while learning how it works...
But why would I ever install an OS that is less ready for daily use than a nugget of iron ore, over my perfectly capable windows 7?
I've reinstalled windows 7 several times because of changing the MOBO, and it takes maybe an hour to get back to where I was before (windows installed, drivers installed, anti-virus installed, office installed, steam installed, "rice" installed, skype, vent etc.)
Is Linux purely for hobbyists who like to mess with their OS? Is it a better platform for programming? Why's there such a strong argument for using Linux and so much bashing on windows?
>>54732417
actual name - evince
>>54732417
actual name - eog
>>54730570
Get raped and kill yourself, you retarded fucking faggot sack of shit with down syndrome.
>>54732445
I see, all GNOME software is affected.
The rest still applies. You found out its "real" name. Once you're in a position to warrant a different file manager, you'll be "advanced" enough to do a simple search and find its name. Even then, it only applies for the few GNOME applications.
>>54730605
I would totally understand someone failing to install Arch or Gentoo, but... Ubuntu? That's the equivalent of not understanding how to use a tablet.
>>54732474
linux is superior for three things:
enterprise/server use
science
customization
the two major limiting factors are the no media support, and the fact that there are too many distros
i use linux daily and my light games run on it (toontown and stalker) and it makes me incredibly productive in my work (years of cli experience) but I have a desktop dedicated for my musical, image, and harder gaming needs
>>54732499
you're not seeing my point
I can google anything from boiling eggs to thermonuclear reactions. But the wider adoption of Linux is severely affected by inconsistencies such as this one. Currently to run a functional Linux distro from a fresh install I have to disable ipv6 in the default kernel line, rebuild grub.conf, install a non-default compositor because of the screen tearing etc. This is all stuff that isn't needed on Windows
> what is Chocolatey
>>54732505
>toontown
wait I thought this was a nostalgia meme
people still play this?
>>54732549
ofc senpai, senseless grinding has never been more fun. though disney shut it down so there's a fairly large private server that pretty much has the go ahead from disney.
>>54732561
I'm anxious and confused but also curious
>>54730427
litterally, even
>>54730427
>chocolatey is bundled by default with win10
Try again, lincucks.
>>54732565
toontownrewritten.com
they've been running an arg since 2014 about an optional side-plot of the game, but i've ignored that stuff mostly
>linux is so easy to install and use
>all you have to do is learn x y and z using google and you're fine
do people not see the fundamental problem with this argument?. many people, I would even say most people, know the fundamentals to get stuff working on windows. maybe not complex stuff but basic stuff.
learning something new is a barrier to entry, even if it is unfair. that's just the reality, windows beat everyone to the punch in terms of popular adaption. you will never be able to reverse that unless you literally make linux work exactly like windows. even if you include a bunch of idiot-proof installers, documentation, etc. that doesn't change the fact that it's a pain and that will make people think "why aren't I just using windows". linux offers no tangible benefit to the average user. just cajoling people into using Linux because it's "better" is never going to work.
so all you can do is complain impotently that everyone else is idiots for not "getting" linux like you do.
>>54732505
So would you say that unless my line of study / work specifically calls for using Linux, it's just a niche OS that people are hype about because it's niche?
>>54732588
honestly? yes. windows is probably enough for you unless you regularly require root access or running a server or infosec or such. i love it because it's ultra-customizable and bloat-free. if vidya support for it becomes common i'm sure it'll become more mainstream but for now it's pretty niche.
>>54732583
some things that IMO a popular Linux distro should have for normies:
>never ever need to use the command line
>automatic boot repair
>actually disable constant password prompts, this annoys the normie
>better gaymz support
>user never needs to see or know about "packages" or "scripts", everything is an "app" from the distro "app store"
>A LOT of work on a flashy GUI, elementary and deepin have the right idea
>some sort of a surface renaming of root filesystem, /usr/share/ or /bin/ doesn't mean anything to anyone
that's it really
>>54732675
you're literally just describing a better Ubotnet
>>54732692
guess what, there's a reason the botnet has a huge userbase - it's very simple to use
I'm not talking about a distro designed for you or me
>>54732605
So it's just not a day to day computer use OS?
It sounds like you set it up with very specific tasks in mind, rather than just having an overall "well rounded" computer.
Like... Windows is a jack of all trades, but master of none, and Linux is the opposite.
I'm just trying to bring some actual thought to the discussion rather than the usual WINFAG / LINTARD word vomit that is most of this thread.
>>54732675
I think you are describing
>pic related
>>54730480
Pssttt, kiddo ? Ever heard of .bashrc ?
Check it out, all cool kids use it ;)
