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UMPCs seem pretty cool, especially since they could bridge the gap between a PC and a Smartphone.
Does anyone still make one that matters?
>>54720314
HAHAHAHA
oh you are serious.
>>54720314
That one seems fun. What is it?
I'm still trying to get a Samsung Q1..
>>54720458
just something i found on image search, sold on alibaba
I have a little Sony Vaio P series "Lifestyle PC" it works OK, not great linux support, and only tried windows 7 on it in the past. I wish there was something similar with slightly more modern specs and better linux support.
>>54720314
>bridge the gap between a PC and a Smartphone
That exact set of buzzwords is what was used to sell tablets. Have you ever encountered a human being who owned a tablet and was over the age of 12?
>>54721046
I've seen many high school students using tablets instead of paper textbooks and also to write things down
>>54721046
and they did a shitty job at it. I like my UMPC, it would be nice if we could get something a bit more up to date though.
>>54721046
>over 12
Yes, a lot of adults seem to own them too.
>>54721046
Every pilot I know....
>>54720314
GPD WIN. There's also the Dragonbox Pyra which technically isn't a UMPC since it's ARM but occupies a similar niche if you're a freetard.
>>54722627
The pyra is not an UMPC.
>"Ultra-mobile PC (UMPC) is a hand-held computing device capable of running a Windows operating system. AUMPCis larger than a personal digital assistant (PDA) but smaller than a laptop. Microsoft and Intel created a design specification for theUMPCin a project called Origami."
http://searchmobilecomputing.techtarget.com/definition/ultra-mobile-personal-computer-UMPC
It cannot run a windows OS and does not have an x86 processor. It runs the mobile version of debian linux.
>>54720314
A phablet with a keyboard is the new UMPC
>>54722627
Please don't mention the pyra. It's not good for anything at all. It's also very overpriced, like $800 and it features a dual-core ARM processor from like 2009.
>>54721046
>Have you ever encountered a human being who owned a tablet and was over the age of 12
Most of the tablet owners I've encountered are either teenagers or adults, myself included.
N900, a NID, MID almost a UMPC.
>>54721046
successful troll is successful
>>54722627
>GPD WIN
Looks neat
>>54722627
Since the Pyra is an overpriced piece of shit not worth the money, will any proper linux distro run on it?
>>54722708
You must just be feeling anal today because I already said it wasn't a UMPC.
>>54722932
Any Linux distro that supports ARM so not exactly.
>>54720314
i'd kill for a UMPC, with a x5 or x7 atom, a 7/8 inch screen at 1920x1200/1080 with 4 gb of RAM and a M.2 SSD slot. and i'd even be happy with a 5 hour battery life. also it'd be nice if it swapped between windows and android.
>>54722932
It's sad we don't have more devices like the Pandora, Pyra really is expensive, but it's a small project, would a big company do it they could sell it for pocket cash.
I'd run Debian on it, good ARM support in the repo.
But the official Pandora OS is OK too I think.
Also good to have a SDK in a virtual machine ready to fire up anytime you need to compile something, easy as fuck once all is set up.
>>54722781
I have an N810 that I'm trying to do this on, and call me a freetard, but I'm concerned Meego had closed source blobs. Haven't found a way to install Linux sans Meego.
>>54723186
I don't like Meego, Meego is a phone OS, the N's are internet devices. I can multi boot the original Maemo with a lot of tweaks, a Debian Wheezy with custom kernel and Android with custom kernel.
This? You mean a different WM?
I've compiled blackbox for Maemo, want it?
>>54722731
That very quickly runs into the same problems as a surface with a type cover.
A proper UMPC would address a lot of the problems with smartphones, mainly the lack of a dedicated input method without being cumbersome.
>>54720314
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRTtm9iGihc
>>54720314
>google UMPC
>get links with tablets with keyboards
/triggered
>>54723268
Seriously.
I love my Pro 2, but the type cover+ kickstand thing sucks.
I'd empty my bank account for a modern Vaio UX
>>54721350
geriatrics.
>>54721447
work purposes, not pleasure
>>54721322
tablets have a purpose and sell just fine, if they didnt market wouldnt be flooded with them at a stable price for almost 6 years now.
>>54722774
underaged b&
>>54722888
nice trips of truth m8
>>54722968
so you want a device, with a good processor, which tablets have, and good screen, which tablets have stunning displays, hell my phone is 2k, apple retina is insanely gorgeous. 4gb is kind of much yes. but the m.2 slot.... for ssd? most tablets have solid state memory already, and can be expanded with flash cards, which are again solid state memory. which is faster, direct solder, or m.2 slot? and then windows/android.... well you got me here, i have no idea why you would want an android UMPC.... but tablet fits your needs.
get a samsung tab, they're pretty powerful and meet your criteria.
>>54723268
this is the only legit reason one might want a UMPC for tactile input. and yeah, i kinda miss the buttons on phones too...
>>54723378
but anon, that's where we've progressed to, tablets are UMPC with touchscreens...
>>54723385
pro 2 is good, but that kickstand must get dirt and grime in it, yeah?
i use a wireless keyboard with my smartphone when i need to really type on it, but its a note 5 so idk that an 800 phone is really an option for everyone.
>>54723516
>having a tablet = underage
Having a desktop OS in your pocket is very useful, anon.
If they weren't obsolete already, smartphones slammed the last nail in the coffin for them
>>54723548
you have a desktop in your pocket? if not then you dont have a desktop os in your pocket.
>>54723571
waiting for tactile keyboard cases for phones to come around. as far as i know they dont exist and no one plans on making them.
>giving away million dollar ideas on /g/
>>54723548
I have a tablet on my nightstand, for watching utube videos. 7inch Huawei shit.
Does the job fine tho.
>>54723516
>>54723548
A tablet ain't a UMPC, two different things. They just use the name UMPC because marketing.
>>54720314
I would like a device that connects through data and encrypts all my shit even phone calls. I could make phone calls from a linked flip phone. I hate the feeling of talking on a smart phone.
>>54723615
Windows is a desktop OS
>>54723627
>A tablet ain't a UMPC
I never said it was.
>>54722708
ARM is a great platform if you give any fuck about size and battery life, don't really see the problem why sub-branch of UMPC's can't use ARM.
>>54723660
>I never said it was.
Not you. But they are trying to make them.
>>54723682
I'm well aware, it's bullshit
>>54723660
any os is a desktop os if used on a desktop. you're not very bright are you?
>>54723627
whats the difference? how is a tablet not an ultra mobile personal computer?
>>54721046
Nice b8 you faggot, got yourself some bites there
>>54723615
>giving away million dollar ideas on /g/
tell me more anon
>>54723706
>any os is a desktop os if used on a desktop. you're not very bright are you?
I'm quite bright, just not a semantic asshole like you are.
>>54723516
The kickstand never gets dirt and grime, why would it? It's just a hinge that's covered. Also the commodification of the tablet is proof that it's successful through all age groups. On top of that, a tablet isnt the same as a pc. I can't use my keyboard and shit well at all while trying to hold my Pro 2. like another anon said, a desktop os would be nice in my pocket.
>>54723727
Nobody would buy that shit, most people never even heard of tactile keyboards.
>>54723727
phone case that has a slide out, or flip out tactile bluetooth keyboard. think the generation of touch screen phone before the smart phone, how they had those keyboards on them that pivoted or slid out. i dont think anyone makes anything like that, i know for iphone and note series that could probably make alot of money, especially since the cases are sometimes multi generational, one keyboard can fit many versions of the note series.
>>54723728
its not semantics, how is a UMPC different than a tablet running full windows 10?
>>54723516
>apple retina is insanely gorgeous
And it's far from the best display on the market.
As for your opinion that tablets are for children and teenagers, the statistics disagree with you. As of 2015, 45% of all adults owning tablets and 57% of those between 30 and 49 owning tablets.
As the other anon said, successful troll is successful. 5/10, you made me look up statistics.
>>54723666
>ARM is a great platform if you give any fuck about size and battery life
Actually it isn't, ARM is more power hungry than x86 (see Zenfone 2).
>don't really see the problem why sub-branch of UMPC's can't use ARM.
Because the term "UMPCs" was coined for ultra portable personal computers that x86 windows and fit in your fucking pocket not a phone with a permanent glued on keyboard that runs a mobile OS worse than android.
>>54723706
UMPC's by definition where like OP's pic, they fit in your pocket. But that's changing now.
>>54723782
Anon, there used to be smartphones with keyboards. The desire Z/g2 was htcs last, but it was one of the best phones at the time. The reason they don't exist mostly is because companies rather not deal with it, even if people want it. It's easier to make a thin phone without one than with.
>>54723782
>how is a UMPC different than a tablet running full windows 10?
Not him but there is a fundamental difference between the two as both terms are used as definitions of form factors.
A desktop OS probably isn't clearly defined though, so that discussion is a little more grey.
>>54723763
That's the reason we don't have good UMPC's, theres no market for it, except 20 guys on /g/.
>>54723761
mmmm, im filthy, i would get grime and shit in the opening, ash, marijuana resin, that kind of stuff. you'd be surprised what's on your fingers once you start sweating.
>>54723763
i hella would, alot of /g/ would too.
>>54723784
>And it's far from the best display on the market.
you're right, but its their standard and your eye cant percieve the pixels in it, thus it appears gorgeous, at least to me. again my note 5 has a great screen that i adore. so resolution isnt exactly an issue with these devices. M$ pro book and pro 4 have 4k displays... tell me thats not good enough (its too good, eats battery)
>
As for your opinion that tablets are for children and teenagers, the statistics disagree with you. As of 2015, 45% of all adults owning tablets and 57% of those between 30 and 49 owning tablets.
i never said only kids use tablets, im actually defending the tablet as a UMPC.
>>54723824
how does my smart phone not fit in my pocket?
>>54723839
awh, i missed those then when they were around... if there was a peripheral i could attach like tablets have, or a case with a keyboard i would buy and use that, i would, especially if it means no on screen keyboard.
>>54723842
so the form factor determines it? up above he said it fits in your pocket, many tablets andsmartphones fit in pockets. many tablets run a full version of windows 10, im sure a phone could to if you tried hard enough to make it.
>>54723843
20 good guys.
>>54723782
>its not semantics, how is a UMPC different than a tablet running full windows 10?
Would you mind directing me to the post where I said such a thing?
>>54723814
The Atom really has evolved I see since I last used it.
I know, that's why I said sub branch, ARM was shit and used in PDA's when UMPC was coined, but its OK for most things now, because even x86 instruction is limited for years already and ARM just caught up. Every major OS has a port on ARM now, it's not just that common.
>>54723896
>how does my smart phone not fit in my pocket?
But your smart phone can't replace a PC? Because... its not a UMPC!
>>54722781
I actually wish they would release a top-spec version of Pandora or N900, not like Pyra or Neo900, what are still years behind in hardware.
There's so much I can easily do on a N900 that you can do on a UMPC, just being more compact.
>>54723898
i cant, because you're anonymous. but that has been said in this thread several times, if i mistook you for some one else, understand i only have your writing style to identify you with.
sorry.
>>54723924
cant replace my PC how?
i do two things on my pc, i make music primarily, and i play bethesda games when they come out. i can live with out the games... but phones play games too.
they write docs, edit video and photo. i can make music with it. my smartphone can do almost everything my pc does, and i only say almost not because there are things it cant do, but rather the efficiency at which they can do them is different.
the fact of the matter is, no matter how badly we want to see te return of UMPC, it wont happen. the best we'll get are those extra thick "rugged" tablets
>>54724005
Maybe you should stop assuming different posts are the same poster you moron
>>54724005
But it's still not a desktop computer in the pocket, what the whole UMPC point is. I'm not talking about a return, I just mean that phones are not designed for that.
>>54723903
>ARM just caught up.
No it hans't. The best ARM SoC is still lightyears being ultra low power 35-45w max tdp Xeon-D processors with desktop i7 multi-core performance.
>Every major OS has a port on ARM now, it's not just that common.
All of them are shit. Windows RT is shit, debian mobile is shit. Anything having to do with ARM is fucking shit. Best OS for ARM is android right now, at least you can play angry birds on it.
>>54724060
>comparing ARM CPUs to 45W processors
You're not very bright, are you?
>>54724027
>Maybe you should stop assuming different posts are the same poster you moron
59/3/20/2
>>54724033
but tablets are, that is really their purpose, they're being shaped to replace laptops now.
UMPC is less ofa desktop in the pocket than the surface pro series is, of course the pro doesnt fit in your pocket, but there are other win10 tablets that do.
>>54724085
>59/3/20/2
Irrelevant.
>>54724060
Debian mobile? It's just Debian using the ARMel/hf architecture.
Its exactly the same as Debian on X86 or any other architecture.
>>54724085
>they're being shaped to replace laptops now.
they're not
they will always run a gimped toy operating system
they don't run desktop software
they don't have real keyboards
they don't have mice
they don't have any power
they're luxury toys for (in)convenience, nothing more or less
>>54724164
I've seen this guy in a few threads, don't bother arguing with him. He's either a troll or a complete retard
>>54724181
Thanks.
>>54724100
except that tells me in 66 posts, there have been 3 images, and only 21 unique ips posting. soooooo there are some repeats.... and since i've been maintaining conversation with a few people, its safe to assume that all 21 of those posters didnt post exactly 3 times, since i know i didnt.
>>54724179
they run full x86 windows.
they run .exe's like any other windows?
you can plug a mouse, a keyboard, and plug it in to the power so that it can use its full potential, just make sure you can cool the thing.
and surfacebook pro, lenovo yoga. any other back bending fancy laptops with touch screens are kind of proof that tablets will phase the full laptop out soon.
>>54724181
it's 4chan m8 what did you expect?
>>54724272
AHAHAH. no.
>>54724272
how is a UMPC different than a tablet running full windows 10?
>these gay threads
SMASH OUT SOME CODING ON THE GO
>>54724369
epik
>>54723516
>touchwizz
>>54724272
the form factor of tablets simply will never be as conducive to productive work, touch screens are trash and so are limp keyboard cases you have to recharge every night
>and surfacebook pro, lenovo yoga. any other back bending fancy laptops with touch screens are kind of proof that tablets will phase the full laptop out soon.
not as long as they're all overpriced garbage that nobody wants
nobody buys a windows system to use it like an iPad, the utter failure of Windows 8 should have taught you that by now
>you can plug a mouse, a keyboard, and plug it in to the power so that it can use its full potential, just make sure you can cool the thing.
so I have to basically turn it into a desktop with a thousand USB peripherals (that I have to cart around with it) just to get the same use I could get out of a self-contained UMPC or laptop?
such progress, I can't wait for the ultra-convenient tablet revolution!
>>54724310
no to? from what ive seen a tablet running full win10 can run any program that runs on any other desktop or laptop with win10. even more so if its an atom tablet.
>>54724362
its most likely got more battery power, more connectivity, and tactile input, maybe no touch screen. How is moving on to a tablet a bad thing? if they werent so worried with "muh aesthetics" we could have these thick tablet with great battery life and power.
>>54724369
wasnt coding banned on /g/ for a long time?
>>54724446
>nobody buys a windows system to use it like an iPad, the utter failure of Windows 8 should have taught you that by now
Tablets are the one thing Windows is good at
>>54724458
why? because Microshit and Intel are constantly trying to force tablet and tablet-like products on everybody in their eternal effort to fail to become the next Apple?
>>54723050
Pyra is running debian fyi
>>54724471
Because Windows sucks as a desktop OS but has enough desktop applications to make a tablet running it useful.
>>54724429
not the default anymore, and if i need it i can boot it and use the pen normally :^)
>>54724446
you're right about the form factor, that's why i feel the wireless keyboard is a must.
the yoga and surface pro sell very well and are not any more over priced than laptops of past that were in their tiers.
blutooth keyboard with a trackpad on it, much like apple and logitech have been selling for years now. so one keyboard, the power cable, and the tablet, that sounds awful.
actually windows 8 showed me that if you make a touchscreen laptop people will abandon their mice and use the screen. 8 was a failure, but the touch revolution it brouht in laptops wasnt.
>>54724471
no because since windows 8 M$ has been trying their damnest to make windows lighter, easier to run, and moretouch friendly, windows 10 is the culmination of their efforts, the progress shows.
>>54724496
windows will never leave the desktop market as long as directx is around and in charge.
>>54724492
For some reason I was thinking about Ångström, thanks.
Pyra is still weak tho, for a "new" device.
Don't get me started on the price...
>>54724492
Are you savvy on the Pandora and Pyra?
I have a question.
>>54724525
>windows will never leave the desktop market as long as directx is around and in charge.
I never said it would.
>>54724590
your post implies that they're moving away from the desktop OS to focus on mobile.
if you're gonna imbly hartkor then back peddle your statements you'll never lose your virginity friendo
>>54724496
none of that desktop software is actually usable with a shitty touch screen
>>54724525
>and are not any more over priced than laptops of past that were in their tiers.
and nobody really bought those either
>blutooth keyboard with a trackpad on it, much like apple and logitech have been selling for years now. so one keyboard, the power cable, and the tablet, that sounds awful.
it actually does, the entire point of these devices is absolute portability, with a small laptop or UMPC you don't have to carry ANY of that shit, just take it under your arm and go
I went the tablet+wireless keyboard route (even with RDP for Windows software access) for quite a long time, both Android and iOS, it was shit, wireless keyboards that small are just trash both from a usability perspective and a quality perspective, bluetooth is shoddy as fuck, you had to be selective of where you could use the combo; if you didn't have a flat surface, you're fucked, and while the extra setup time isn't really a big deal in the grand scheme of things, it nonetheless makes you wonder why you even bothered with it when a traditional laptop will do the same job infinitely better and be far more portable while it does it
>actually windows 8 showed me that if you make a touchscreen laptop people will abandon their mice and use the screen.
never saw the same, everyone I know with an ultrabook or similar touch screen windows system basically just use it for scrolling when they're sitting on the couch, it's a pretty useless feature for the most part
hell, my university is all touch-enabled win8 all in ones, I have never seen a single person other than myself ever using it.
>>54724675
>your post implies that they're moving away from the desktop OS to focus on mobile.
No, it doesn't.
>you'll never lose your virginity friendo
Already lost it, nice try faggot.
>>54724681
Sure it is
>>54724586
Yes, ask away
>>54724541
I'd agree, and i'd all agree it's very exopensive for what it is. But it is the only one of it's kind basically. and they pyra was designed as 2 boards. CPU board and main board. They are already looking at future upgraded SOC or going x86 etc
>>54724754
Good god, I can't type to save my fucking life
spelling....
>>54724723
dont hate just cuz im a homo, that's not nice.
>>54724681
you're telling me nobdy buys $1000-$1500 laptops? Im writing to you from one right now.
you can put a tablet under your arm and go too, but neither of us like the on screen keyboard do we?
ah but then the rigid cover keyboard wasnt good enough for you either, was it?
>never saw the same
try leaving your house more, you might experience the world.
>>54724729
The pandora package system, with .pnd files, it's only on Zaxxon? Also what folder does it use as appdata folder? Every app has its own "home" in appdata?
>>54724867
Zaxxon is just a code name for whatever build its on, based on Angstrom..you knew that. Yes I believe so
Pyra is ditching pnd for DBP system which i havent read much about
>>54724971
Yes, but I ask it for another reason, not because Pyra, also, how do you run EGL app's in framebuffer mode? Stupid question.
>>54724793
>you're telling me nobdy buys $1000-$1500 laptops? Im writing to you from one right now.
in the technology sense of "nobody", even the shittiest of products had a market
enterprise customers will wipe their ass with that money, the consumer market not so much, as the OEM race to the bottom shows, it's very low end centric
convertibles may have a chance of making inroads, but most consumers don't really give a fuck about touch technology, they already have a tablet, they buy a laptop to keep in the corner for when they need to run office or whatever ancient weirdo niche proprietary shit normalfags tend to hold on to
>you can put a tablet under your arm and go too, but neither of us like the on screen keyboard do we?
the keyboard made it more annoying, simple as that, why should I take on an extra annoyance for no apparent reason? I have nothing to gain from it, it's not more convenient at all.
>ah but then the rigid cover keyboard wasnt good enough for you either, was it?
went that route when I gave iOS a try, it was a little better, but not by much, still required a solid surface to use and was also shoddy as fuck, regularly dropping connections
maybe if I paid out the ass for a keyboard case I would have gotten a better run, but then what's the point, I would rather just buy a new battery for one of my ultraportables and run real software
either way, if you noticed, that wasn't at all my sole point against that configuration, it was shitty for a lot of different reasons, and overall it just felt like a fucking pointlessly half-assed kludge
>try leaving your house more, you might experience the world.
nice strawman
both my roommates had shiny ultrabooks, out in the wild I mostly see macbooks or shitty bottom of the barrel consumer laptops from the likes of HP and Dell, the only places I see touch screen shit taking over are in universities because student discounts make them a more compelling choice, even then macbooks have more market share
>>54724993
Over my head honestly, probably find the answer on the boards
>>54725038
Thanks anyways
>>54724996
go to walmart, best buy, costco, other american retailers, almost all the laptops are touchscreen, maybe one or two on display arent...
i'm sorry you have a negative experience with tablets like surface pro and ipad.
i fully beleive that the form factor of ipad mini with a rigid keyboard cover is a great alternative to the UMPC (but not desk top os)
I think the issue that we are collectively having is that the tablets and ultrabooks of today are not meeting the needs of the UMPC's of yesterday, And none of these products have all of the criteria needed to bea UMPC, either they have shitty input, or they have shitty software. But the point i've been trying to make this whole thread is that UMPC's are gone, and tablets do EVERYTHING they did, if not more, like recording HD video, making music, playing acutal good looking games in 3d.
so yes, we lament the UMPC being gone, but the tablet isnt as bad as many here think it to be.
i miss my jornada being relevant.... using the IR blaster to go online was always a hoot.
BTW im using a $1300 laptop that i got in 2010. The motherboard was replaced twice in warranty, and since then i've put in a new battery, and replaced the HDD with and SSD, and of course Arch Linux. If this were to break today, i couldnt go out and get a tablet to replace it (i have 5 already, i want no more, i didnt want any at all) i would need to get another laptop because of the touch functions being damn near nil in arch. but on the same side of that same coin, a UMPC's proprietary input wouldnt be compatible either :/
Lets also not forget UMPC's sucked to begin with, tablets are huge upgrades.
ITT: a bunch of nerds fight over the increasingly blurry line between traditional desktop computing and mobile computing, without realizing that in another few decades there will hardly be any major differences
>>54725158
>go to walmart, best buy, costco, other american retailers, almost all the laptops are touchscreen, maybe one or two on display arent...
but it doesn't mean people are actually using it, Microsoft and Intel can force the ultrabook/tablet shit down OEM's throats all they want but it's not revolutionizing the industry
>Lets also not forget UMPC's sucked to begin with, tablets are huge upgrades.
but are they really, though?
the hardware is just as, if not more shit
they have fuck all expandability
they have fuck all for interfaces unless you go with an expensive windows tablet
the only tablets that are worth a shit are bulk-ass keyboardless laptops like the surface series
they're an upgrade in some areas, but not everything, which is /my/ point
these threads always send me into hard shitposting mode because there's always some guy like you telling everyone to use a tablet instead and how superior they are at everything because they're more convenient for mindless internet media consumption, which is something I couldn't give a fuck about when the entire reason I like UMPCs in the first place is because they're /not/ catered to that use case, if I feel like being a useless piece of shit who only consumes, I'll use my phone, that's infinitely more convenient, smaller, and more portable than some chink tablet with a bluetooth keyboard ever will be
when I'm travelling or whatever the fuck and want to work on projects, I'll pull out a UMPC or an ultraportable and enjoy it while it lasts whether you like it or not, and yeah, I'll wish someone would keep the trend going, but we're not all delusional, it's no wonder to me why UMPCs just up and died, tablets are cheaper for manufacturers to make and more profitable due to their wider marketability, they do a lot of the primary things UMPCs did and as a result they pushed UMPCs into an unprofitable niche and that was that, but it was still a niche nonetheless
>>54725669
>a bunch of nerds
wow, nerds on the nerd board? that's some shit
>>54720314
>Does anyone still make one that matters?
Not particularly; I imagine UMPCs will come back for Mobile VR platforms, tho. I don't think people are going to pay "premium" prices for Google's Daydream-ready smartphones. None of Samsung's smartphones have the battery life to make Gear VR useful for extended periods of time either. The ideal of a self-contained HMD just isn't feasible yet and I'm tired of seeing the industry push for it.
pls give cyberdeck
>Pyra and GPD WIN
What if I don't want to play games?
>>54726110
Don't play games on them then
>>54726225
But then the analog sticks and face buttons will tickle my autism.
>>54726243
Neo900
I preordered a Pyra. Might do GPD as well but am a Linuxfag and afraid the GPD wont run Linux well.
>>54727273
lol
>>54726318
neo900 will never exist except in the dreams of autists
>>54726069
cyber deck would be nice.
Though you can make one with a laptop.
The biggest issues is making it durable and lightweight.
>>54721046
Yes, a lot of people actually. No one likes elitist faggots.
>>54727418
It's a shit tier device anyways, same like Pyra, it's like iPhone 4S specs. We need something more powerful, else the Pyra and Neo900 are great concepts.
>>54723244
I would, but mine doesn't like to charge. Got a new battery and new charger. Not really wanting to bother with opening it to figure that out.
Thanks for the offer though.
>>54728691
Ouch, hope the USB aint rekt? Does it connect to the PC? Also you could always charge directly from the battery terminals.
i had a great experience with my pandora before i sold it, i played a lot of gta2 on it
i sold it to buy a new laptop
>>54727496
iPad Mini 4 owner here. The wireless second display function works beautifully and is very useful. Other than that I use my tablet for reading, Netflix in bed with the wife. Watching porn, editing emails. Tablets are useful to certain people. It bridges a nice little gap but certainly isn't necessary. It's just a nice thing to have.
>>54728833
Wine version or Qemu?
>>54728736
>>>54728691 (You)
>Ouch, hope the USB aint rekt? Does it connect to the PC? Also you could always charge directly from the battery terminals.
>>54728736
USB still works, but haven't seen it charge with it. Does it charge over the micro USB? I've tried, but didn't seem to charge it.
>>54729219
It charges over the MicroUSB yeah, does the orange led light up when you put the charger in and turn the screen off?
Tried reflashing, etc?
>>54729280
Haven't flashed it at all. I just plugged it in, and remembered it kind of charges. It shows charging, boots, then says not charging, then reboots to Nokia, then charging for a second, then back to not charging, then back to Nokia and so on.
Micro USB doesn't seem to charge at all.
>>54729342
Weird if you changed the battery and everything, might be a software bug, reflashing could help.
>>54729378
I'll look in to it. If I could get a full distro on it, that runs reasonably well, with disk encryption some how, it'd be perfect for me. I'll look in to it.
>>54729430
Good luck.
Debian run's great with Nemo kernel if you want a full distro.
>>54724179
Surfaces literally run Windows 10, a desktop OS
>>54729474
>surfaces literally fit in my pocket
>surfaces literally have a slide out hardware keyboard
>surfaces literally have all I/O you ever need
>>54724179
>they will always run a gimped toy operating system
>they don't run desktop software
Windows tablets have been a thing for years.
>>54729474
>Windows 10
>not a gimped toy OS
KEK
>>54729506
I said nothing about any of those points
>>54729464
Thanks. Last thing, seems to be charging with an Amazon Kindle wall wart. So maybe it didn't like my Ankr charger.
>>54729531
Exactly, a OS alone wont help.
>>54729539
Awesome
>>54720458
Found it, it's the MI15
>>54729506
>UMPC
>literally have all I/O you ever need
Show me a UMPC that has USB, FireWire 800, RS-232, miniDVI, and Ethernet
>>54729646
>USB
literally every one
>FireWire 800
kek
>RS-232
get a USB adapter.
>miniDVI
DP and HDMI are pin-compatible
>Ethernet
seriously? on a mobile device?
>get a USB adapter
>>54729673
>literally every port you need
>laughs at some, suggests adapters for others
kek
>>54729646
>>54729673
>>54729709
Theres USB, most have RS-232 RT/TX pins, also displayport and usually composite, some even have ethernet without needing a USB adapter but a special pin compatible adapter.
>>54729726
Passive adapters are still adapters.
>>54729646
who the fuck needs firewire?
>>54729759
People who use FireWire.
>>54729709
>>literally every port you need
nope faggot, anon said
>have all I/O you need
adapters are I/O, faggot
>>54729746
Glue it onto your device if you're too braindead to put it in your pocket.
My MicroUSB/Ethernet adapter what's not even passive is as big as fucking 2/3ths of a matchbox.
>>54729781
Seriously? Not USB 3? Not Thunderbolt? But Firewire? WHO!?
>>54729790
>a UMPC has literally all the I/O you need*
*with 10 separate adapters
Wow anon that sure does sound convenient.
>>54729812
I fail to see the issue with FireWire.
>>54729836
it's deprecated shit
slower than USB & thunderbolt since 3.0
>>54729846
USB's shit in general and if I use Thunderbolt I can't use my Thunderbolt devices with my Thunderboltless computers. All of my machines support FireWire.
>>54729871
Well, time to upgrade poorfag.
>>54729871
>USB's shit in general
compared to fucking firewire?
fireware can't even into hubs
>>54729818
Yup, much move convenient then a laptop with a dock or a bunch of adapters, uh?
>>54729878
Use these machines because they are specifically the machines I want, not because I can't afford better machines. Nice try, faggot.
>>54729900
Golly, if you specifically need some shit then don't wonder that you have to use a adapter.
Get a freaking USB 3 to Firewire adapter.
>>54729883
>compared to fucking firewire?
Yes.
>fireware can't even into hubs
It doesn't need to, it can into daisychaining.
>>54729921
>literally every port you need
>but you still need adapters
That's not how that works you dipshit.
>>54729900
firewire has been dead tech for half a decade now son
>>54729937
Because you are the only one who needs firewire in 2016.
Are you a special snowflake? Uh?
>>54729939
And?
>>54729957
Except that's false.
UMPCs were great at one time but these days I'm getting the same accessibility from x86 tablets so...it's outdated.
>>54729965
It's dead tech! You don't need it!
You seriously fail to see it!
>>54729993
>you use it daily
>lol but you don't need it though
Suck a dick
>>54729979
You're a bumbling fucking moron
>>54730010
Why do you need it then? What is this thing that can't be replaced by Thunderbolt or USB 3.0?
Is it just personal laziness?
>>54729937
>literally every port you need
>>54729506
>literally all I/O you need
>>54730031
Laziness has nothing to do with it.
>Thunderbolt
Don't you need an Intel CPU for Thunderbolt to even be an option?
>USB3
No thank you.
>>54730010
Show me a worthwhile UMPC to own in 2016, you tard.
>>54730065
Vaio UX. As for modern ones, there aren't any, you tard.
>>54730089
I HAD a Vaio UX. I sold it after it could barely run Firefox without getting completely hosed.
I think I actually made more on it than I spent when I sold it off.
>>54730055
So it's personal preference!
>literally all I/O you need
Except that one guy who uses outdated tech because personal preference.
>>54730065
that's the point, sadly they don't make any
>>54730098
Dunno why the fuck its so slow, even a Pandora can multitask with many tabs open.
>>54730098
Mine runs Opera very well and I have a lower-specced model.
>>54730103
>So it's personal preference!
No it's not.
>>54730117
Believe me, I didn't want to part with the thing but for super-portable computing I kept using my tablet and the UX was just sitting on its base.
By the time I sold it the aftermarket extended battery I had bought when I first got the thing no longer held a charge so it wasn't going anywhere anyway.
I tried to use it as a Torrent server but even that it was just too pitiful for.
>>54730175
A tablet ain't cutting it for me, need tactile keys to type on, mostly using the terminal anyways, a Pyra would be fine.
>>54730117
>that's the point, sadly they don't make any
How hard would it be to make a Raspberry Pi (or similar) into a UMPC?
>>54730209
Eh, I get by. Plus the Vaio UX's keyboard layout always annoyed me (since it really needed a second Shift key on the right side).
I wouldn't be opposed to something with a physical keyboard, though.
>>54722781
>dat tiny terminal tho
so cute
I want a neo900000
>>54730219
Lot of soldering and a 3D printer I guess, if you want it to be anything good and compact.
>>54730228
Wish they had better specs, nifty things.
>>54730209
You know they make keyboard cases for most tablets right? You can even get one with a little clit mouse or a track pad.
>>54730260
keyboard cases are bullshit
>>54730260
He has a point, though. I think he wants something that was inspired by the T-Mobile Sidekick form factor (screen slides up, keyboard underneath).
You'd never get that on an 8" tablet. They'd have to shrink the tablet down and then you're basically talking an x86 phablet-like device, which I doubt will happen.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Laptop-Lifestyle-SONY-VAIO-VPCP11Z9E-128GB-SSD-WIFI-3G-FREE-UNLOCKED-/182142870349?hash=item2a688fa34d:g:j24AAOSwciVXQgfu
I want it, /g/.
>>54721046
Mostly old faggots actually
>>54730065
Fujitsu Lifebook U810
>convertible tablet UMPC
Never used one, but I see they're much cheaper than the Sony and OQO in the aftermarket and have similar specs.
>>54727445
Stuffing an ODroid into a 60% mech would be incredibly easy to do; I think the hard part is getting the headset/optics just as a durable and lightweight - collapsible, even.
>>54730297
That butt tho
>>54730324
>small mechanical keyboard with a trackpoint
>durable sunglasses with a HUD as the "screen"
>glasses fold up and store inside the keyboard
>small ARM board inside the keyboard runs everything
God damn I want this so bad.
>>54730363
RasPI dude, get HD video glasses, hook up HDMI, hook up USB battery bank and a bluetooth or USB keyboard with trackpad.
A little work on it you can really clean it up, just RasPi in a box, add 4G etc, with a wire to the glasses and a keyboard as a separate unit.
>>54730363
Probably the closest thing to the sunglasses that might be usable is a pair of folding fresnel lenses jury-rigged to some kind of display w/ forward facing cameras for head tracking. Lenovo is launching their own Project Tango integrated smartphone next month; maybe there's something to found in that.
>>54730390
>>54730409
It doesn't need to be VR, just a screen.
As far as form factor, something like this would be fine. It would need a higher resolution, though. At least 1680x1050.
Do any of those custom keyboard sites make keyboards with trackpoints? I hate trackpads and I don't want to carry around a mouse.
>>54730560
That's what I sayd, HD video glasses.
>>54730560
>>54730575
>It would need a higher resolution, though.
There isn't a single pair of video glasses out there that has a resolution high enough that allows readable text; that is unless you don't mind scrolling text (like how certain devs did it with their applications for Google Glass). You may think otherwise, but I find them unbearable to use.
>Do any of those custom keyboard sites make keyboards with trackpoints?
Not that I'm aware of; the TEX Yoda comes to mind however. https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-yoda
>>54730636
>There isn't a single pair of video glasses out there that has a resolution high enough that allows readable text
Are they really that hard to make? Or is there just no market for it compared to "real" VR Goggles?
>>54730683
A little bit of both; video glasses are making a comeback with the advent of augmented reality tech but few people see a reason to put a display in front of their faces without having the ability to see through it. Stereoscopic passthrough is still rife with latency issues which has led some companies to explore more novel ideas like Google and Glass and Nvidia with Pinlight displays: http://pinlights.info/
Technically speaking, if you stripped the Rift or Vive of their components you'd end up with two displays in a sunglasses-like setup; paired with their lenses (Vive being fresnel and Rift working off some variation of it), it's easy to understand the hype.
"Text is actually somewhat readable!"
"I'm not just looking at pixels!"
That sort of thing; both headsets give you 1080x1200 pixels per eye, too and it's still not enough in some respects.
>>54730297
>>54730360
Wow that's actually something I could carry around and use. Way better than bringing my big heavy toshiba around for the hour or so I use it in computer class.
>>54731085
Gotta give it to Sony for making products at the wrong time. :^)
>>54731085
I would honestly already own one if they weren't $500+.
>>54731095
>>54731119
Seriously, if sony made things like this, and appropriately price them, they might be in better shape.
I love Sony, but they keep fucking up.
>>54731134
But, they wont make them just because 41 fagots in /g/ would buy them.
>>54731095
I actually stayed away from Sony's non-gaming shit because they're always expensive and usually inferior to other products anyways but in terms of design and (used) pricing for these things I am actually considering buying one for travel. I'm seeing these for like $250 for buy it now prices
>>54730636
>high enough that allows readable text
80x24 character terminal would be fine anon, don't worry
