>5G internet is upon us
Will we even need Wi-Fi anymore?
>>54708768
>bandwith caps on mobile
Yes
I don't even break 40mbit on my LTE connection, let alone 100.
By the time this comes out will phones be back to being the superior size AKA 4.5"?
>>54708866
>Manlet
Kill the genetic degenerates
>>54708768
>100 mbps
Yeah... if you live 50 feet from a tower.
5G will have datacaps out the ass. However it might mean 4G will become dirt cheap and hopefully they'll increase the data cap range.
5g is coming out and verizon still can't hit 10mb
>>54708884
First, bottled water, then data? What's next, fresh air and sound?
>can download at 10Gbps
>250MB data cap
>>54708884
i don't live near a tower and i easily get 120mbps with 4g.
>>54708787
this
>>54708884
>5G will have datacaps out the ass.
I don't see why.
The radio frequencies are the scarce resource.
Doesn't matter if you block the channel for 10 seconds to download 1MB, or if you block it for 10 seconds to download 500MB.
Unless 5G allows for less simultaneous users than 4G?
>>54708768
DUDE DATA CAPS LMAO
>>54709693
Lol
and we will be forced to pay even more
>>54708850
I snapchat everyday when I'm out, data usage goes up fast.
>>54709789
Not because the have too, but because they're scum
>>54709994
The free market will fix it, assuming you have one of course.
>>54709681
>What's next, fresh air?
anon...
>>54708768
as long as data caps are a thing, we will
>>54708768
I already rely on my mobile data connection for all internet needs. Have unlimited high speed mobile data + 8GB of mobile hotspot. I have no home ISP.
>>54709693
2 cents per MB after that.
>mfy my provider has been promising 4G for almost 8 fucking years now in my city
>five years ago they had almost finished the towers but the decided to just tear them back down to build LTE ones instead or some bullshit
>still stuck on goddamn shitty 3G in 2016
>still have to pay the extra fucking money because "Well you have a 4G capable phone even though the nearest 4G is literally 50 miles away
>>54710329
Cute
100Mbps on 4G? I've gotten over 200 in my city. Though most areas it's 40-50.
>>54710329
>+ 8GB of mobile hotspot.
>he doesn't use PDAnet
>Bandwidth caps in Murrika
>5G
TOPPEST LELKEK
>literally can spend $30 on bandwidth in 10 minutes
Fuck all of it.
>>54708866
This anon KNOWS
>>54710712
Don't need to. I've never made it close to 8GB since I only use the hotspot mode for checking news/email on laptop. Anything data intensive is done on my phone.
However Boost doesn't specify exactly what happens after I use 8GB of mobile hotspot and I've never tried to go past 8GB. I will this month though, hopefully they just throttle the connection to 128Kbps instead of disabling mobile hotspot altogether.
>>54709955
Maybe you should stop using retarded gimmicks.
That'd save you a lot of data.
>>54710106
The govt regulated away free market competition years ago.
>>54708787
>not having an unlimited plan
>not setting up your phone for unlimited free tethering
I have T Mobile and live way out in the boonies. My only option for traditional internet access is HughesNet but I do get full 4G signal. I have been using my phone as a DHCP server for my router for months now and it feels good
>>54708768
Webpages have sizes of 4-MB and 99% are ads or trackers, i can burn data plans browsing Wired.com and Theverge
>>54708866
why are you so obsessed about your phone and your dick being the same size?
>>54708866
I thought the average phone size was 3".
This is unsettling.
>>54712186
Were you thinking of penis size, Pajeet?
>>54708768
Considering 3G coverage in the USA outside major cities is atrocious, I'm not even thinking about 5G, I'd be happy just to have decent 3G.
Fuck the speed, I want that 1ms latency
>>54710934
There is no unlimited you moron. Start downloading some movies and see what happens to your bandwith.
>>54712160
The real question is, why are you so keen on overcompensating for your dick size with your phone size?
Surely this is a meme?
LTE isn't even """4G""" as per ITEs tech spec.
5G is old news now.... 6Gb/sec without MIMO acheived. Wait until this gets transfered to ASIC.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/05/160523083819.htm
>>54715322
Germans win again. Qualcomm must be pissed. Beat by a factor of 10x by college students.
>>54710934
>unlimited plan
sure scrooge mcmoneybags
>>54708768
OP... are you Qualcomm rep?
>implying 5G can do 10 Gbps... hahahah
You just trying to confuse the masses about the announcement of Germans actually getting 6Gbps today? Your fake Wiki entry isn't fooling anybody... ok maybe fooling most.
>>54710106
>The free market will fix it
>>54712333
He's referencing Elliot Rodger because today is Elliot Rodger Day.
>>54710934
>>54714378
it's not even that, in some countries you don't have a choice... I wouldn't even care if I had (for example) 'unlimited' 5MB/s and got throttled down to half or even 1MB/s when reaching a specific GB quota
but all of our mobile ISP operators have something like 2-3eur per GB plans, and when you're out they either automatically start to charge you for per-GB (some even per-MB) or just throttle you down to 128kbps or something like that
last year a new operator came that offered a unlimited 50/10MB/s, the only problem is
*the fact that they could start here is only because they are actually a child-company and shadily funded by high govt people thanks to the connections in the high ranks => we are all gonna get fucked in the taxes indirectly anyway
*their actual coverage is somewhere around 30-40% of the actual population (not the area of country) = which means, top 30-40 cities are covered
*if you use the internet outside of ISP's network (international-roaming -> even other ISPs network of the same country), you are billed per-MB basis so you have to set up your usb-dongle/mobile/whatever to manually connect to that ISP only and deny every other network
*some services are throttled to lower speeds (youtube, torrents, netflix)
== if i know there is a fine coverage at my grandmoms house who will use it to look up receipts and occasionally use the internet for skype with family, it's great, otherwise it's just meh...
>>54715452
East Europe, ftw
>>54716025
I was in the spa I watched like 6 movies every day, HD, thats like 30GB, like every day, at 4G speeds. Unlimited plan but I did have to pay 26eur for it monthly, upgraded my data plan, witch is more than I used to because I normally used a 8eur plan with unlimited 3G.
I'm sure the operator had a limit, but that was in hundreds of GB's, then it would cut back to 3G speeds (with old 3G plan it cut back to like half a meg) but you also get a SMS when you reach 75% of the plan.
Why I was not using the spa WiFi? It was shit.
Estonia btw.
>>54708768
I don't want to sell my apartment, liver, and soul, to pay for the service, so yes, wifi it is.
>>54708787
>there are actually places with bandwith caps
jesus christ how disgustingly horrifying
>>54716025
In some poorer, less developed countries like the US, yes.
Got to have some way to not have data caps
![1463942930036[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jLmWPQb.jpg "1463942930036[1].jpg")
>>54708768
>mfw just bought a 4G capable phone
>now I can burn through my 5GB of monthy data in 20 minutes
Truly the future is upon us.
>>54717746
I just found out about the google's Project Fi and I couldn't believe they charge $10 a GB. You'd think a giant tech company would be a little more in tune with the type of customer that would actually use it
>>54708768
>Turn Wifi on
>Battery lasts all day
>Try to do the same on 4G
>Battery curls up into a ball and dies within two hours
Nah.
In estonia and finland one can enjoy unlimited 5G soon while burgers still have capped 2G.
>>54708787
>>54718824
Yea, but you have to live in Estonia or Finland
>>54718838
finland literally takes even illegal immigrants with open arms, you literally have no excuse for living in an inferior country
>>54708768
>4G
>100 Mbps
That's 100 Mbps in motion, 1000 Mbps while standing still.
Tell me, what 4G network in 2009 give you 1000 Mbps while stationary?
>Live in Poland
>pay 20$ a month for LTE with 50GB cap
>>54717088
USA doesnt have bandwidth caps on mobile internet usage? I though it was pretty standard around the world.
Is LTE rly 4g??
Thought that it need to be 1Gbps <
>>54718871
None
>2015
>300Mbps
>>54719221
They can it 4G+ and its not even THE REAL 4G
>>54718732
This. Even though your post exaggerates the issue, lte consumes a lot more power than wifi at least on my phone, especially if the signal is weak.
>>54708768
Can't wait to pay $200 a month for a data cap.
>>54708768
So i can use my data limit in a half second. Marvellous
>>54719166
Nope. Real 4G is supposed to deliver up to 1,000Mbps to a stationary user. LTE can only deliver up to 300Mbps to a stationary user. In addition most LTE towers can only deliver up to 37Mbps per tower sector (there are 3) under ideal conditions.
And so this is why real world LTE speeds range from 4-8Mbps. Under ideal conditions and/or little network load you will see speeds above 8Mbps and under stormy conditions and/or heavy network load you will see speeds bepow 4Mbps.
We don't know what real world speeds true 4G will deliver but it's assumed at least 100Mbps per tower sector and there may be like 5 sectors instead of 3 for more users for a total of 500Mbps total tower bandwith.
>>54710934
How to do this ? I have unlimited t mobile and will be moving soon and would like to do this until I can get a wired internet connection for my pc
>>54719391
and then you can owe them $64 in overages after the full second (at 10c/MB)
>>54716025
>2-3eur per GB plans, and when you're out they either automatically start to charge you for per-GB (some even per-MB) or just throttle you down to 128kbps or something like that
128kbps is enough to have a VOIP call if you use G.729, GSM or CELT. VOIP costs about 2 euro a month for moderate usage.
You're telling me that you can pay 5 euro a month for telephone, email, SMS and web browsing?
>>54719631
48-64 kbps is enough to have a VoIP call
>>54719667
64kbps is landline quality cound
>>54719667
>tfw not making your calls over 3G
>>54708787
This. I'm not going to pay out the ass just because my mobile Internet's fast. Hell most of the time I use my phone's Internet it's tethered over a Bluetooth PAN anyway so it's not like I'd notice the speed.
>>54722132
64 kbps is not an indication of “quality”.
>>54709955
Kill yourself normalfag
>>54722184
We already have cheap unlimited high speed mobioe data plans though (metropcs, boost, cricket, ect).
5G would most likely bring unlimited high speed mobile hotspot. People would then have 0 reason to have a home ISP.
>>54722298
Latency.
>>54722333
Is not an issue especially on LTE. It will be less of an issue in 5G.
Pic related my unlimited high speed mobile data connection. Ping usually hovers around 30-50ms which is more than enough for most things even online vydias.
>>54722248
But landline is, and what I sayd is that they equal.
>>54722517
>5 meters is equal to 34 milliseconds
okay then
>>54708768
>mobile internet connexion
>consistent low latency
pick one
>>54722651
How dumb are you to understand that a 64kbps MP3 equals the same quality as sound over landline?
>>54722396
>ping is 76 for 2 minutes then goes through the roof at random times
enjoy your frustration
>>54722671
Still better than my shitty copper line.
>>54709693
This.
>>54722724
>64kbps MP3
Now we're getting somewhere. Yes, if you specify a bitrate / format pair, you get closer to specifying an actual quality. Sort of.
A bitrate / format pair is still insufficient. You need to specify, at minimum, a bitrate / format / codec triple. Technically, in some cases, a bitrate / format / encoder / decoder quad. (I'm assuming ‘encoder’ and ‘decoder’ here also contain descriptions of any relevant settings)
But, you see, I was not talking about MP3, and this is where your point breaks down. Because it turns out, lossy audio codecs have advanced quite significantly in the last 23 years.
Modern 64 kbps Opus (using libopus) is nowhere near the quality of a landline phone. It is significantly better, almost transparent. Heck, you can get away with 64 kbps for music with only minor losses in quality.
>>54722733
So you're on AT&T networks huh? I've been with boost for almost a year and never had problems with ping except the rare times I had no lte coverage.
My internet is so shit I end up using tethered 4G as my primary internet provider.
Works surprising well, even for online gaming. Good thing it's unlimited.
>>54722742
It's the complete opposite in my case :
LTE speed is 3 times faster than my dsl landline. but frustrating when it comes to onli vidya, getting sudden peak of 600+ ping for 10 seconds every 5 minutes is no fun.
datacaps also suck balls, I can't download shit with 15gb/month
>>54722827
there is no such thing as "minor losses" in audio quality with music
it's only acceptable when the difference is not noticeable
>>54723021
>there is no such thing as "minor losses" in audio quality with music
https://youtu.be/QEzhxP-pdos
>>54708768
Coming to the US for a reasonable price never
>>54723091
thanks for proving my point
>>54723127
Your point was that there's no difference between “minor losses” and “total and utter obliteration” of content.
>>54723138
and the video confirms that point
I was talking about music though
>4G
>100 mbps
I average 105, with a peak around 148 mbps. And that's not even with big red's XLTE speeds. Dafuq is wrong with everyone else's carriers?
>>54723180
Whoa, with 1440x2560 screen ads look blurry
>>54723164
https://0x0.st/q5C.ogg
So these three versions of the same clip sound indistinguishable to you?
>>54723289
What about this one? Any difference at all?
https://0x0.st/qRr.opus
>>54718982
I live in Poland and I pay 5 zł (~ 1.26 $) for 600 MB.
The thing is that I'm not even using it fully - some instant messaging, some googling, some social lurking and I have around 200 MB at the end of the month.
>>54723180
I'd fuck that dragon.
>>54723164
>>54723289
>>54723311
The left and right halves of this image are also identical to you, right?
>>54722895
Fuck off not everyone has a AT&T or whatever carrier you have. I'm only paying $55 for pic related with boost. How much are you paying for your 15gb of 9001ms latency lte?
>>54723923
>being so desperate for (You)'s that you bump an argument
the fuck are you going on about?
all I'm saying is that once you notice "minor losses" in the audio quality of music the music becomes crap
>>54723987
Not him but I think hes right.
>>54708768
>Will we even need Wi-Fi anymore?
..what a retard
>>54723963
ten African American dorrars/month
also I'm from Spain
>>54723987
I take it that there's absolutely no music you can possibly listen to, then
>>54724064
there's no problem as long as I haven't heard it in higher quality before
>>54724084
But do you hear a difference between these two audio tracks? If so, which one is the original and which one has losses? (And can you estimate the bitrate of the lower quality version?)
https://0x0.st/qhU.ogg
>>54724191
>these two tracks
>posts one file
Not him but come on now.
>>54724283
It's the same 20 seconds twice, back-to-back
>>54724528
Yeah, but it's in one ogg file. Don't get me wrong, I use vorbis for my everyday listening, but they're both technically lossy to start with if you're presenting them that way.
>>54724614
Stop moving the goalposts and answer the fucking question.
The file is not even encoded in vorbis for fuck's sake.
>>54724648
I'm not the guy you were originally arguing with.
>>54724614
>>54724648
https://0x0.st/qhD.flac
Also here's a flac version
>>54724671
https://0x0.st/qhk.ogg
And here's the same FLAC version inside an Ogg container
>>54724528
>>54724191
Youre a idiot
>>54726932
>ad hominem
>still dodging the actual question
So do you hear a difference or not? Which one is higher quality?
>>54717088
You would find australia to be horrifying...
>>54727405
I'm not him/her btw.
>>54708768
cool now i can use whole data cap in less than 60 seconds
>>54727632
Not everyone has a data cap you verizon/at&t cuck.
>>54727540
So you not only have no argument but you're also irrelevant to the discussion in the first place?
Great post, 10/10
>>54714341
Can anyone explain how they would get this 1ms latency?
>>54727757
>Not everyone has a data cap you verizon/at&t cuck.
yes, everyone has a data cap.
>>54709955
snapchat deez nuts fag
>>54714341
Ever heard of something called the speed of light, anon?
The minimum latency is 3.333 microseconds per kilometre, so you can only get that latency in a range of 300km.
>>54729511
>so you can only get that latency in a range of 300km.
no reason there couldn't be a server/etc within 300km of most people, then fill any remaining space with servers 300km from each other
>5g
>bandwidth limits stay
>use up monthly downloads in 3 seconds
>>54729454
This. Read your fucking contract. They advertise with unlimited data but it probably is capped at something in the range of 15gb to 25gb. Makes 4g already pretty much useless
>>54729561
Latency mainly matters for games though, and if you have two servers that have a latency of 10ms between each other and 1ms to the user, the latency between two users connected to the two servers is 12ms.
>>54729582
Well unlike fiber and landlines there is actually a good reason to have SOME caps. There is only so much you can transmit using 4G over radio and if it was unlimited and people used mobile data like landlines for streaming, torrents and such it would slow down for everyone to be unusuable. I have 4g on my phone and my carrier did a few unlimited data days for the whole country, my speeds went from 80mb/s to about 16 on those days, still very usuable but if that was the norm speeds would drop even more.
Having said that, 80mb/s is absolute overkill for mobile data and the data caps of like 1 gig we get wth that speed is bulshit. For mobile data it would be fine to have as little as 5mb/s connections but have data caps way, way higher.
>mfw on those data days I download more in the 24 hours using my phone than i could possibly download in a month on my landline
>>54708768
I have "unlimited" 4G from T-Mobile. It slows to a crawl after using 1GB of data though.
>>54709955
How does it feel to live in the third world anon?
My phone plan gives me free Spotify Premium, and Spotify streaming, fb messenger, Snapchat, instagram, whatsapp and a bunch of other apps' data usage don't count towards my monthly allowance of 5GB. All for around 13€ ($15) a month.
I shoulda taken a picture of it, but I work at an electronics store and we recently got in an 802.11 ad router from tplink. That's not a typo, apparently ad defines a third band at 60 GHZ, a frequency so high it actually can't pass through matter, and has to reflect around to reach its destination
I forget the speed on that band alone, but the sum of all three is 7200
The radiation shills were right all along.
>>54730283
Good. These are exactly the services you really need. No one should ever use other services.
There is absolutely no deals between their companies to maintain their monopoly.
>>54710934
>>54717088
You still have a data cap you fucktards. Your connection throttles once you hit a certain point.
>>54709681
>fresh air
What is this, China!?
>>54709698
Do you live in a rural area?
>>54708768
Pro tip: WiGig (802.11ad) can deliver 7 Gbps and the first certified consumer access points (routers) and clients are coming on market in Summer 2016, not 2020 like "5G."
>>54730688
>7 Gbps
That's the limit for ac. Ad is 10Gbps and operates at 60GHz which means it cannot penetrate walls.
>>54730283
OK Patel, no need to brag
>>54729454
Then I must be fucking high because I regularly use 50-100GB of data with boost mobile at 4-8mbps.
we will
>live in Romania
>pay 10 euros for 1Gbps internet
>pay 6 euros for 15Gb of 4G internet and unlimited everything else
Sometimes I'm glad I'm here.
>>54730802
That's how it goes.
What you always see claimed is performance in a laboratory.
And as you said, higher frequencies don't work well with obstacles, which is why satellite dishes have to be outside.
Even 5GHz WIFI can't penetrate as well as 2.4GHz.
>>54733887
>Romania
:))))))))))
>>54730283
>gives
Yeah, you're truly blessed to be """"given"""" access to those specific services. It's no wonder Europe is going to shit. Europeans seem to have no idea how anything works.
>>54709955
awesome bud darn data usage
>>54733887
We in Germany musst pay for 200k Internet 55€
We won't need wifi when truly unlimited data plans become available.
As long as I got to dish out 70 Bucks a month for 4 measly gigabytes a month I think l will stick to regular Wi-Fi
l can't Wait Until Unlimited data plans become something that don't cost an arm and a leg
Also, here in canada reception is still a big Issue, I have very poor 4G or LTE / HSPDA connectivity So WiFi will always be the better option
>>54729502
Would you like to see a picture of MY Sweaty nutsack ?
>>54734013
>We won't need wifi when truly unlimited data plans become available.
They already exist in the states and the rest of the world (metropcs, cricket, boost, ect). As long as there is no excessive network load then all those carriers will give you access to unlimited amounts of mobile data at high speeds.
>We are getting super fast mobile internet available almost everywhere
>Cabled connection still barely competes with what we had years ago
>>54709698
I was getting this in a city when 4g first came out and no one else had a 4g phone
>>54715248
ITE dropped the ball by letting providers market 4G outside of their specs
3G HAD to be within their speeds to be marketed as 3G
>>54717746
speed increase isn't 1:1 with data usage
snapchat downloading faster doesn't mean more snaps are gonna be sent
