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Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", lightweight
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Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap.
>Excellent keyboards - tactile feel and quiet.
>Great durability: chassis uses a magnesium rollcage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels.
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing in the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
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Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
http://ktgee.net/tpg
New guides by xsauc:
http://www.dankpads.com
EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA & Canada only, usually 15%+ off):
http://pastebin.com/DujvzEzU
ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
https://www.lenovoservicetraining.com/
ThinkPad wallpaper collection:
https://imgur.com/a/NlepZ
first for the glorious T420s
second for the greatest X220
>>54669635
Any thermal issues? People seem to mention heating problems on forums.
Also how's the battery life?
Who here /ultrabase docking/?
Didn't get any replies on the last thread so asking again here:
Any thoughts on the X121e? What sort of price should the i3 version go for?
I have a thinkpad yoga 15. It's terrible, every time it starts something rewrites the UEFI boot order to boot windows first. I had to rename the grub efi file to Windows.efi just to get it to boot into grub reliablly.
>>54669689
Never had any heat issues. And the battery life is somewhere around 3 hours, maybe 4 or 5 if you have the screen turned off (and play music with it).
I was worried too at first that it would get hot, but no problems so far.
What do you intend to do with it? I can imagine that if you'd want to render movies with it it'll get hot, but then again, I'd use a desktop for that.
>>54671109
>>54671125
any way to stress test it to see how hot it gets?
>>54671138
just played quake 3 for a few minutes, you can see the temperature increase, but no alarming temps yet
>>54671188
I'll install CS:GO to see how that plays and how hot my CPU will get
>>54671138stress -c 2
>>54670398
Sup.
>T/R6x basic, normal and ginormous
>x6x docks for regular and tablet models
>A/T30 dock
>T430 dock
>T440 dock
>random USB dock Lenovo made
I kind of want to get the newer dock they have but I can't justify the price or even need for it.
>>54670869
I wouldn't pay more then $120 for one and thats a stretch. I'd just get the E series variant.
>>54671327
is this too hot?
>>54671383
looks like it cools pretty well
>>54671379
That Dell is giving me a boner.
>>54671383
I guess it should bestress -c 4, but whatever.
My X220 maxes out at 87-90C, so your temps aren't too bad.
>>54670398
>X220/X230 ultrabase
>audio output is fucking unusable, static noises all the time
>>54671424
Its all sorts of fucked up, selling the W530 tomorrow & I'll have funds to refurb that thing.
>>54671443
yeah it gets warmer now, also uses %100 of the CPU
I guess it's still fine though, how often do you actually use %100 of your CPU?
Hey /g/uys I'm looking at getting a thinkpad for college this fall, where does the t420 fall short, has anyone had any problems with it. If it helps I'm going into CS and figured this was my best bet.
>>54671379
Hmmmm. What makes you say that? Build quality?
>>54671529
>how often do you actually use %100 of your CPU?
Extremely rarely, but I do have a habit of capping CPU at 800-1500MHz since that's all I need most of the time, so I'm the wrong anon to ask this.
>>54671547
>where does the t420 fall short
Dog shit screen
>>54671616
Is it bad enough to warrant the purchase of a different laptop, if so what thinkpad would you recommend.
>>54671547
My optical drive falls out really easy since the tab to remove it sticks out from underneath like a sore thumb and unlatches the drive whenever it gets caught on something.
>>54671492
h-how much and do u deliver to straya xd ;w;
>>54671556
Just personal preference, I would spring a bit extra for a T420, X130 or for a 2560/70p
There is a X120e user who did a mobo swap on it, (s)he likes it, i'd say let them chime in.
X130e is much more thicker than the X120e, and its still bigger than a X220 lol
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/141949574796
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/322115351504
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/291768524938
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/262446799818
>>54671711
I sometimes have worldwide availablilty, but since I haven't had a scale, I've had to bump up its weight so I could make sure I wont overpay :x
>>54671653
>Is it bad enough to warrant the purchase of a different laptop
No, I couldn't be happier with my T420s
Btw, if you want to games with it, you can't. Just tried CS:GO and uninstantiated it. Got like 45 FPS with everything on low 1600x900
However, you can play the best first person shooter ever, Quake III Arena , which is open source. What's there not to love?
>>54671984
You have to use 720 if you wanna play any games, it simply can't handle 1600x900 on pretty much any game.
>>54671984
Yeah I've got a desktop that I'm bringing with me to college which I'll do all my vidya on but I wanted a laptop for something more portable between classes and what not, thanks for the insight.
>>54671994
I might try that in the future but I don't really see the point of serious gaming on my ThinkPad since I have a good desktop.
I do have Diablo II and Q3A installed to kill some time, though
>>54671984
Thanks for your insight, I'm already brining my desktop to college for vidya so I just wanted a laptop for stuff on the go or in between classes.
I have a lenovo t530, what kind of stuff can I put in the card reader? Pic related, it's #1
>>54669635
My nigga
>>54669635
I had one but it would randomly crash and reboot itself no matter what os i was running.
>>54672014
>Diablo II and Q3A
all you need senpai
so I do believe this laptop doesn't came out of Lenovo with the fingerprint reader, I will replace it with the actual reader from the broken x220t
>>54672150
An SD Card...
>>54672656
What about in that top tray?
>>54672675
i have the same laptop, there are these pc express cards that uoi can put in with all kinds of different stuff even extra usb slots
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16839158048
Helle everyone.
I'm an aspiring CompSci student and want to know which laptop best fits me. Do you guys have any ideas (looking for a laptop that can last 4+ years). Of course within the Thinkpad series.
Problem is, I live in the Netherlands and the supply of second hand/refurbished Thinkpads isn't that great. I was also wondering if it is THAT bad to purchase a brand new (of course at the lowest price I can find)?
My budget is around 650 euros (700 is my absolute max). Preferably a Thinkpad with an SSD and 1080p IPS screen (or is that too much to ask for with my budget? ;__;)
I'm sorry, but I'm not very tech-savvy, so please don't use too much /g/ lingoo. I plan on using Windows 7 if it is installed on the Thinkpad already, but I'm also satisfied with W8/8.1.
Thank you very much!
>>54672739
>I plan on using Windows 7 if it is installed on the Thinkpad already, but I'm also satisfied with W8/8.1.
install gentoo
>>54672739
>double linebreaks
>thinks that the copy of Windows installed is the only OS he can have
>"aspiring CompSci student"
>>>/http://reddit.com/
>>54672739
>>54672794
also
>lingoo
>>54672763
honestly. yea. you will see a major performance boost and it will free up your workspace to focus on school, save the product key to install on a game desktop if you want to play games
>>54672739
>CompSci
>Windows 7
Nigga, every freshman Informatica at the UvA uses Linux. Unless ofcourse you're going to a Hogeschool (but even then I recommend Linux)
Go for a T420 or maybe a T530 if you really need the horsepower, even with the highest specs and 1080p monitor that's within your budget.
Don't expect to play vidya on any thinkpad since that's not what they're made for.
You can get a T420s for roughly €250 at gebruikt.com - it's where I bought mine. Excellent service and support
>>54669621
Which one of you /g/ents is this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T420-14-Notebook-Computer-/111994632309?hash=item1a13667875:g:U44AAOSwZJlXM9XU#viTabs_0
>5 t420s
>Anime as shit
>Windows 7
(Would you be willing to take your sale down and just do it for me privately? Pretty please?)
>>54672912
I wouln't buy that weeb machine, probably jizzed on it.
>>54672927
Luckily it has the splash proof keyboard
My x60t's display gets all crazy and distorted if I light touch on the bezel or the back of the LCD housing. What could be causing this?
>>54672739
If you want new, thinkpad 13 is a pretty decent option
>>54672856
Thank you for the first non-shitpost.
I'm going to a Hogeschool (Haagse), but I'm not tech-savvy so I have no idea about Linux, how to use it, etc. I'll feel like a wannabe if I use Linux/deviates of Linux if I barely know to use it, that's why I better stick with Windows. And ICT =/= Compsci, though I didn't know the word for it in English so I said Compsci.
Thanks though, I'll have a look around. With my budget, is a thinkpad the best option or are there better alternatives?
>right hinge on my x230 had started feeling a little floppy
>disassembled most of the display to try and fix it before I figured out it was just a screw on the outside of the case that needed tightening
probably would've found out about the screw had I just googled
>>54672652
Well duh, it doesn't have one. It's not really that uncommon.
But anyway, you shouldn't use it anyway. I thought it was neat at first, but now I've disabled it on all of my thinkpads - that's what I'd like to say, but it doesn't fucking work for me. Disabling it in BIOS does absolutely nothing, still works..
Is it possible to replace the trackpad on a L540 with one that isn't pure fucking cancer?
>>54673050
You bought an L540, just live with your mistake
Which T-series would /g/ recommend as a desktop replacement (general productivity; onboard graphics is fine).
>>54673069
Nah, not for me. The missus was given one when she enrolled on her Veterinary Med course. So she needs it for her work. Just, well... it's fucking horrendous.
>>54673085
430 with a dock.
>>54673102
Is she the one complaining or is it just you?
>>54673085
t530 with dock. quadcore if you need more juice
>>54673116
She is, constantly.
>>54673136
Oh, I see, well that's bad. I really doubt that you can do anything about it..
>>54673136
the **50 swap might be doable on that model
>>54673190
Thanks, will look into it.
Got my T420 Dock today, works surprisingly well with dual 2560x1440p monitors hooked up. Obviously the main laptop display stops working when using two external monitors, but the resolution gained for web browsing is amazing.
>>54672942
Get a machine that dualboots then
Start with something simple like mint (i study art history and know how to use it) then gradually upgrade to gentoo
I think a thinkpad with an i7 and a ssd and 8gb of ram will be all you need the next 4-5 years
If you buy smart you'll even have enough money to buy an eGPU with that budget
>>54673251
>59Hz
>>54673317
It's a windows bug, happens with most new monitors that display at 59.94Hz, the OS just rounds it to 59Hz even though it's effectively 60Hz.
There is even a technet article on it if you care to look further into it.
>>54673251
web browsing in one monitor, watching 1080p 60FPS youtube on the other.
Going from ~65% CPU usage up to 85-95% when reloading a web page.
Temps going from 84-88C
I'm impressed. Also glad I upgraded the RAM, seeing almost 8GB of usage with only 2 chrome tabs open.
>>54673378
pic related
Hey /g/.
What's the most I should pay for a T500 in Canuck land? I was looking at one, but it's 160, and has the lowest screen resolution.
Part of me thinks I should wait, but for some reason Thinkpads have almost seemed to go up in price. Or at least, they haven't gone down for about 4 years.
I'll just be using it for general browsing/writing/cartoons.
>>54673604
Adding to this, what kind of red flags should I look out for buying used? I got an X220 years ago (and am still using it now) and the guy I bought it from was really chill. The current seller now seems, less than so.
>>54673604
>I'll just be using it for general browsing/writing/cartoons.
I'd rec one of the models in OP.
I don't know what a Canadian would pay if that's what you meant by >Canuck.
>>54673653
Redflag for me is stock images, or no image of the bios screen. Off the top of my head.
Would this fit in a t420?
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820242239
>>54674788
Yes
>just missed out on a t420 that cost ÂŁ42 by a last split second eBay bid
Fucks sake, I'm never going to get a t420/x220, am I?
Linux Mint on my x220t supports multi-touch and the pen inputs on the live boot from USB.
Goodbye wangblows.
>>54674804
you are, just not for that price
>>54674936
Nice :)
anyone playing risk of rain on their T420/X220?
>>54675149
This and Dawn of War Soulstorm are the only reason I keep around my Windows 7 80 gig HDD.
>>54675232
Risk of Rain is for linux too though
>>54673333
linux does it as well. one of my dells is shown as 59.9 Hz while the second is shown as 60.
>>54675278
Then I should go find that HDD and do something useful with it. Like store pornography, or funny internet images.
Got a T420 recently. I'm shocked by how amazing it is, especially since it was so cheap. The linux support is amazing (got arch running easily), muh vidya (which is literally just Toontown and some STALKER) runs flawlessly, and physically, it's solid and sturdy. Thanks for giving me a meme worth falling for, /tpg/.
>a friend of mine is looking to get a laptop
>he knows I'm usually knowledgeable about tech, and knows I have a thinkpad
>he gets all reluctant when I tell him that they're only good value when pre-owned
>he's probably getting an L-series
>I will inevitably be blamed if he isn't pleased with it
Hey, am I wrong or did I buy a Thinkpad with no wifi capabilities?
http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/products/Laptops-and-netbooks/ThinkPad-T-Series-laptops/ThinkPad-T520/4242/BC5?tabName=Downloads&linkTrack=Mast:SubNav:Support:Drivers%20and%20Software|Drivers%20and%20Software&beta=false
>>54675416
It plays stalker? I fucking love that game, but never bothered trying to play it on my T420. Is yours with the nvidia gpu?
>>54675718
that model has wifi. if you got it on ebay check and make sure the wireless card isn't missing, i have had that happen before
I just bought a T510 for a hundred bucks. Did I do good or was I assraped?
>1600x900 15"
>[email protected]
>4GB RAM
>160GB HDD
>>54675779
Yeah, I bought it on ebay two months ago but have been slow to set it up because of this wifi issue. I just hope they don't think I'm trying to pull a fast one on them. I ran lspci and saw no wireless card. I've sent a message to them.
>>54675800
Good deal, 100 bucks sounds like what you'd pay for an old Penryn.
Newfag here. The Fry's bitch tried talk me into the t300.. should i..?
>>54675812
pop off the keyboard (remove bottom access panel, undo silver captive screw, push down on theu keyboard with an upward pushing motion, watch the keyboard cable) and see if there is one.
>>54675690
If he won't take your advice tell him not to do it. If he feels buyers remorse after just call him a dumbass.
>>54673391
Repaste
65C is not good for idling
>>54675933
It's idling on a 5120x1440p desktop, i'd expect it to be a bit above the normal 1366x768....
>>54675893
A T300 doesn't exist. If you mean the X300, it's got a great keyboard and the screen resolution is nice, but the CPU is really awful and finding a 1.8" SSD for it can be a pain, although I hear adapters exist so you can use an mSATA drive instead. Would make a nice typewriter machine, I suppose.
Fuck, all the X220s are disappearing from ebay.com.au.
Did I miss the window? Guess I'll just wait for the W520 price to drop now and get one of those.
>>54675920
I will most definitely call him a dumbass if he feels buyers remorse. I will still feel kind of bad about him misunderstanding the thinkpad meme.
What's a good cheap mSATA SSD for my X220? There's tons of cheap 32/64GB ones on Amazon from literally who brands but not sure if they can be trusted.
>>54675894
Yeah, just checked: none. Thanks.
>>54676053
Just send him the thinkpad buyers guide link. If you provide him with the information there's no reason to feel bad.
Should I upgrade my T400 or get a T410?
How well do thinkpads work with BSD?
>>54676460
Basically the perfect laptop for it. ThinkPads and MacBooks are the most solid BSD machines, even the devs use them
Just got a T420 in pretty great condition:
4GB Ram
320GB HDD (going to replace with 240gb SSD)
Intel Core i5-2520M 2.50GHz
I bought a:
Kingston SSDnow V300 240gb for it to match.
It was ~$200 after shipping for the laptop and another $80 for the SSD (with taxes and shipping).
How well did I do /g/?
>>54675800
Very good deal IMO
>>54675690
I'd feel good
Its just like someone buying an iPad mini instead of a MBP and expect it to work for uni.
>>54674804
>implying they didnt max bid for 100
Shit sucks
>>54672739
Just get a mac, or a dragon dildo and don't come back.
Powertop is reporting my discharge rate at 28W. On the frequency stats page, idle is reported at 100%. What could be the problem?
>>54676666
>Getting quads like a boss.
>>54671772
Unfortunately I can't justify a T420 as I have various other machines which serve that purpose. I was just thinking about cheap replacements for a little netbook I use for carting around the country/bed/traveling. The atom processor is okay but can be a bit of a drag
Do these thinkpads have an hdmi out?
>>54677382
Only the newest ones. Older ones have Displayport, which can be easily adapted to HDMI with no loss of quality or features.
>>54673391
god damn!
maybe point a fan at it
>>54677402
Ohh nice!
Thanks brother.
>>54677402
>Displayport
I wish they'd go back to using it since it's digital and analog, and I ca use it with the 768p monitors I've got in my closet.
How can I give my T420 that classic IBM aesthetic? Already bought a classic nipple and and IBM Thinkpad stickers
My budget is like, 300-350 CAD.
In USD that would be roughly, 228 - 260 bucks.
Problem is, no reliable PC shops in my area. So Ebay? Kijiji?
>>54677432
agreed. it's the easiest connector/standard from which to convert/adapt/derive to any other type.
I'd also like to see more mini-displayport on everything. It's smaller than USB or thunderdolt
Would a t420 hooked up to a tv play pretty good quality movies?
>>54677548
Yes, my old Q6600 can handle 4k playback on the system.
>>54677581
So in other words I could put at least 720p from kiss anime and watch all the animu my autistic ass can handle?
>>54677615
Oh yes, T420s are great media machines, they jut don't look like it.
>>54677465
Ebay is probably best bet. Bid on auctions to get the best bang per buck. Also don't ve afraid to ask seller questions. Read descriptions and make sure the bios isn't locked.
>>54671379
>>54671492
Played around with a few of these at work. Really dislike them. Keyboard doesn't feel all that great, whatever material it is they use.
The trackpoint is trash, Dell finally produces good trackpoints on their E7440 series.
They're also super bulky and uncomfortable to hold. Build quality is great though, and specs are beast.
>>54677642
T420 or t420s isn't the only difference like less ports and slimmer right?
>>54677677
Smaller battery too I think.
T420 has a cpu that can be upgraded, while it's soldered to the board on the T420s other than that, the slimness is the only difference.
>>54677677
there are some other differences
IIRC you can get an aux battery or HDD to put into the optical drive slot of the T420s, but not the T420
>>54677677
Think he meant t420(s) as in plural. However the T420 and T420s are similar although not the same. The t420s is slimmer and has native usb 3.0 however it has significantly less battery life.
How does the X220/T420 handle H.265/VP9?
>>54677465
>>54677663
The auctions with no OS included usually are the best bang for your buck, although auctions ending at strange/late hours can also be good. You should be able to easily snag a T420 or a X220 within your budget and still have a little left over for upgrading ram/hdd.
Generally if you see something on newegg, you can get it on ebay for cheaper. Look at x220 on each site as an example.
>>54677677
T420s has one USB3.0 and two USB2.0. T420 has 4 USB2.0, one an eSATA combo port. And, yes, the T420s is slimmer. Battery life suffers because of that.
Also: >>54677703 >>54677704
I have a T420s and like it.
>>54677738
I will try to first visit the electronic goodwill in my area for one I swear I saw one there months ago a t420
I recently acquired an X230 and absolutely love it; but it didn't come with a fingerprint scanner.
I'd like to install one (I believe it's capable because the space is just filled with a blanking plate), but don't know where to find the part number or a part which would be compatible.
Any thoughts or ideas of where to source something like this?
>>54677973
just buy a new front panel that comes with one.
Anyway to play some modern games on my memepad420?
>>54671424
I have a M6600 and a M4800. I highly recommend them.
This is going to sound insane, but IS there any way to bodge a t420s mobo into a titanium powerbook? externally they are the same size (at least as my non s 420) and it looks like most of the ports would line up with the general area on the pbook. Power wouldnt, but that can be moved somehow most likely.
Anyone tried Ubuntu 16.04 on a T420? How good is the driver support? I was also considering ElementaryOS and Mint.
I kind of want to install Arch but I need my computer working as soon as it arrives, and I know if I install Arch I'll start messing with windows managers.
>>54673039
maybe you are right, but dunno, i dont feel comfortable knowing that theres something missing from my laptop.
>>54677446
pls respond
>>54678483
T420 works on most linux distros right out of the box.
>>54678483
Is I use Elementary OS, Thinkpads have great linux support. I haven't tried any of the 16.04 Buntus but i'd imagine there'd be no issues.
>>54678504
what about the X220 Tablet version.
i usually used Arch, but im not a neet anymore the need to have something that works out of the box is a necessity, because on Arch i need to set the wacom screen to rotate and tp_smapi shit and hdaps and stuff. AND STILL have gud customization without the bloat.
or else i would be forced to go back to Arch and spend my meager spare time to set the shit up.
>>54678483
xubuntu 16.04 here. works perfectly.
>>54677446
Buy an x41 or t43, anything else is autistic.
>>54678596
Nice res, 16:10 4 lyfe.
>>54678607
the T60/X60 still have the IBM aesthetics despite the lenovo logos underneath.
>>54678585
I'll definitely try Elementary once Loki comes out.
>>54678609
Yeah, I'm going to get a 3rd once i buy a workstation (either getting a z800/t7500 or saving up for a thinkstation d30.)
>>54678656
Z800 is still a beast, I think it's a nahalem iirc.
>>54678695
yeah, but https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5-2670+v3+%40+2.30GHz&id=2337&cpuCount=2 .
I still havent decided, but i really like the look of the thinkstation. I could get a single cpu d20 right now but i kind of want a dual d30 for 22k of meme power. My goal is to have a machine that will last my at least 5 years with minimum upgrades.
>>54678741
Damn that's a fast 12 core, If you've got the dough, get something new like that, but a dual 6 core 3.46 Nahelem is still pretty good.
Someone needs to explain why 8GiB of DR2-PC6400 SODIMMs are 200 FUCKING SHEKELS, and moreso why 4GiB is fucking 1/8TH THE COST
Am I being jewed by Crucial?
>>54678765
Crucial is really expensive, I use two 2GB Hynix SO-DIMMS and they work fine, I don't see a problem with you using two 4GB Hynix SO-DIMMS, and they're much cheaper.
>>54678741
Hey I have dual E5-2670's right now!
If you eant to go cheap like me get the v1 for 69$ on ebay for 18.6k of meme power.
It's not as fast but hell of a lot cheaper.
The only thing you need is to lurk for a motherbord on ebay that costs less than 500$, they go quick.
>>54678805
I mean, granted, I could probably get away with 4 since I'm only doing word processing and basic shit, but the fact that theres such a discrepancy boggles my mind. I thought memory was cheap, like dirt these days!
>>54678839
It got really cheap then expensive again I think
>>54678839
I get away with 4GB for the things a T9550 is capable of, but I would've bought more, if SO-DIMMS in the 4GB density weren't crazy expensive.
Mfw<
>>54676624
not bad bro.
the price u paid for the thinkpad is pretty much standard i believe so its not like you were completely fucked on aynthing haha
>>54679328
Would depend if 768p or 900p, 900p was a good deal, 768p is average, but still good.
disgusting
Hey /tpg/ I need your advice,
I recently got ahold of a thinkpad x300 for a sweet deal of 20$.
So I'm considering either to keep it or to just turn it around and sell it for a profit.
But the problem is, is it worth it? It needs a 1.8" ssd (msata to 1.8" adapter) a battery and definitely more ram.
So that's; 35$ 64gb ssd; 19$ battery 6cell (only 2 hours??); and 15$ 4gbs ram (why the fuck are the 8gb kits 100$) and a total of 69$
But is it really worth it when it cant even play 720p60. What if I try out the overclock mod? Seems sketchy and it's in german. You use a modded bios and solder a connection on the mobo. Seems worth a try with the performance gain. it if http://thinkwiki.de/X300#.C3.9Cbertakten_der_CPU_mittels_Pinmod
So yea, what should I do?
>>54679401
I was actually considering one of these for my t420s
well, not this exact model obviously. but the chicklet design for that series
is it really worse than the original one? does it feel as mushy?
>>54676624
ive heard terrible things about the V300
>>54679419
Chiclet vs original is a personal preference issue. I'm personally not as comfortable with chiclet, and on the original I'm able to max out my typing speed with ease. Better to try it out for yourself.
What were the last thinkpads to not use garbage 16:9 screens?
>>54679461
T410, X201, W701
>>54673039
Just unplug them. That's what I do.
For some reason, my touchpad is stupid sensitive in OpenSuse/Xfce. I could be typing and if I brush against the touch pad, my text ends up somewhere else somehow. I looked through XFce's options and the touch pad section doesn't even have anything. Does anyone know what to do in this kind of situation? I know for sure it isn't like this in Windows.
>>54679683
Disable that piece of shit, faĐĽ
>>54679708
what, the touch pad?
>>54679743
Yeah. Like any sane person with a ThinkPad.
>>54679683
hows opensuse preformance wise?
do you have tp_smapi and stuff?
This is going to sound autistic but how can I take a picture of my thinkpad screen without the lines running across the camera? Am i retarded?
>>54679900
uh...my DSLR doesnt show any lines. neither my iphone.
>>54679900
It's just how some cmos sensors react to an LCD.
>>54671772
I can confirm x120e works normally with i3-380um Edge 11 mobo.
Also 3cell battery is fantastic. It's ideal for home use.
Planning to get either x220, t420 or x230
A lot of forums mention CPU throttling problems on some unlucky x220 models.
Is this a known issue?
Also, for those of you with a t420, how is the fan noise & keyboard/mouse responsiveness?
>>54680173
yes, x220 overheats as shit when attempting to play gaymes or just stress the CPU.
Get x230. 22nm CPUs generates much less heat.
>>54680180
>x230
What do you think of the keyboard? Seems to be the biggest complaint.
>>54679900
lines? Like Moire pattern?
>>54680173
Not a real answer, but autism has to know:
>x220, t420 or x230
Why list them this way? Is this your order of preference? Wouldn't X220, X230, T420 look better? Sorry for the anal autism.
>>54680217
>Sorry for the anal autism.
Where do you think we are?
>>54680217
Yeah it's listed in an order of preference.
The x220 & t420 seem to be the most commonly recommended models. The x220 is my first option as the screen can be upgraded to IPS and it's quite lightweight.
The t420 has a better vertical resolution, with a larger screen but it's a little bulkier.
The x230 seems to have several build issues along with the homo keyboard.
I'm planning to upgrade whatever I get so I just want something that won't die on within in a year.
If I weren't a poorfag, I'd just get a mac.
>>54680198
it's fine. Autists complain about it all the time, despiting the fact it's far better.
>>54680348
The issue with the keyboard is mostly that Lenovo keeps fucking changing the layout. Thinkpads had used the same 7-row layout since the original 700C in 1993.
Also, I have to say I see a *ton* of keyboard failures in year-old x30 and x40 era machines. The keyboards would always get slightly glitchy after a while, but on older models it was after five or six years. I've had X230s where I've had to put two new keyboards on it every year, and probably 25% of the new keyboards I'm getting to replace them also have faults out of the shrinkwrap.
What does /g/ think of the P50?
>>54676353
Upgrade your t400 and install libreboot and gentoo if you hadn't already
>>54680464
I like that they brought back physical touchpad buttons. Not that I ever use the touchpad, but it's the thought that counts.
>>54680318
>If I weren't a poorfag, I'd just get a mac
I don't think you should go with a ThinkPad. Have a look at Samsungs consumer line macbook lookalikes; I heard those are made for faggots like you
>>54680463
Familia, I got my x230 since 4 years and I use it every fucking day for more than 12 hours.
Believe me, the keyboard is fine.
>>54680180
>yes, x220 overheats as shit when attempting to play gaymes or just stress the CPU.
I disabled the Turbo mode on my X220 and the CPU never overheats, no matter what I do. May temperature is around 80°C. Can still do everything I need with it, including a bit of occasional gayming. Turn the turbo mode on and the CPU reaches 95°C sometimes and throttles.
If you have a custom BIOS with advanced settings installed, you can limit the CPUs power consumption, essentially lowering the temperature while keeping the performance almost about the same.
>>54675800
fuck you, faggot. you already knew it was a good deal
I hope your gay-ass semen ruins your thinkpad within the first week
*downvoted*
>>54669621
I'm ready to go full meme, /g/. I fell for the ThinkPad meme last October and couldn't have been happier. Now, I wanna try Linux cause pic related; the idea of using command lines and shit makes me hard.
As of now, I have 0.00 knowledge about how to use it and how it works. I plan on using
>https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-linux-linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-0#!
to learn my way around it.
What advice and suggestions do you have for me /tpg/?
>>54675800
You were fucking assraped man. I've seen the T510 and even the T520 go for around $80
It's ok, it's still a decent machine anyway, too bad it's not the glorious T500 or T520 because those are generally considered better machines
Got a t420, have upgraded the ram, added ssd, thinking of getting the usb3 expresscard.
What sort of cost/difficulty to upgrade the screen (and is it worth it?) and add bluetooth. Currently using a usb bluetooth which is fine, but would prefer it inside the machine.
>>54680824
>I disabled the Turbo mode on my X220 and the CPU never overheats
Lmao.
Enjoy half of the turbo iGPU performance.
My i7-3520m inside x230 never overheats and the iGPU frequency stays (in use) always at 1250MHz. Without turbo that's 625MHz.
I bet you don't even have an i7 inside your shitty x220. Lel.
Under full load it would melt steel.
>>54680696
Fuck you guy. How's living in denial working out for you?
>>54681023
if you have the 768 no IPS it's definitely worth it.
if you have the 900 no IPS it's not really worth it
I've seen screens go from $50 to $100. Make sure it's IPS though or you might find yourself upgrading in the future again
Don't know about bluetooth, but if you want to use it for a wireless mouse - it doesn't work for my mouse (this could just be the mouse, though)
>>54681073
Nigga I can afford 10 macbooks yet I still buy a ThinkPad
>>54680741
It's a matter of preference.. Stop being gay
>>54681067
Only certain x220's have the overheating issues, not all do.
>>54681114
x220 is shit, get over it.
x230 is the only master race. Proof attached.
1250MHz iGPU frequency allows you to play bf3 on it.
>>54681189
>muh gaymen
Why you guys come here to find inexpensive video game laptops is beyond me. There are much better alternatives.
>>54681099
>resolution
>battery life
>keyboard & trackpad
>magnet cables
>size & weight
The price for this botnet is shit but if you could afford 10, you'd be retarded not to get at least one for shitposting/programming
>>54681229
There are no alternatives in 12" ultramobile segment. x230 is the only choice.
x240 has a shit CPU, shit cooling system and single channel memory, same goes for x250 and x260.
>video game laptops
I'm not gonna buy myself another laptop just to gaym at super ultra settings when I'm outside. For serious gayming I got my desktop computer.
>>54681230
I don't see a trackpoint?
>>54681230
Core M is slower than the cheapest intel atoms. You do realize this, right?
>>54681305
>Hurdur I compared the clock speeds
If you wanna game, get a desktop like a normal person. Core M is a lot smaller, doesn't need a fan, uses less transistors & needs much less energy (4.5W as compared to most Intel I processors running at ~12W)
Asus UX305 has it and it's got very good battery life for its size
>http://www.google.com
>'Compromise define'
>>54681534
Why are you comparing core m to core i?
I'm talking about intel atoms, which are cheaper than your mom's pussy, yet faster.
>Core M is a lot smaller, doesn't need a fan, uses less transistors & needs much less energy (4.5W as compared to most Intel I processors running at ~12W)
Atom SoCs are even smaller, uses less than 2W of power.
>>54681546
>cheaper than your mom's pussy
i'm stealing this
>>54681553
I keked too, what the hell was that?
>>54681546
>thinkpads
>hey I meant intel atom
Are you seriously comparing Atom to M?
>>54681629
We are not talking about thinkpads you illiterate dipshit. I'm answering to your retarded post about fagbooks.
Not check out the z3795 and the x5 series
>>54681023
I installed bluetooth on my w520. It was literally just 1 screw after you take off the palmrest/keyboard. I can't remember if I manually installed the drivers or not though, might have just done it by itself:
What OS does /tpg/ recommend for X220?
>>54682381
Windows 7 if you have to, or whatever Linux you want if you wanna go that route.
>>54680198
The chiclet keyboard is not bad, it's personal preference. I still prefer the older keys, but lenovo makes the best chiclet keys i've ever used. The problem with the newer keyboard is the layout, they straight out removed some functions and made the layout feel like a "laptop", while the old layout resembles a traditional keyboard. Look up side by side comparisons.
>>54682436
If you're going to use Windows, use Windows 7, if not just for the power manager so you can set thresholds for the battery.
If you're going to use linux, whatever you want really. I like Xubuntu, Elementary, and Debian.
>>54682436
>>54682468
Stop this meme.
If they're going to use SpyOS, they should use the latest version of SpyOS that has the newest UI and features and performance.
There's no point using W7/8.1 anymore.
Anyway, my recommendation would be Xubuntu. Lightweight, looks nice, good customization, has apt, etc. Can't go wrong with it.
I bought a X220 with non os installed.
Now I wanna start fedora live image from my usb stick. In BIOS the system says "Boot" only "PCI LAN IBA GE SLOT" or "ATA HDD0". By "Network Boot" I can choice between HDD, CD and my USB Stick. But nothing happend by the next start. Halp?
>>54682468
You can use the power manager in win10 under the Lenovo Settings app and set up power thresholds.
>>54682549
Huh, tried using w10 for like a week to try it out. Tried using the power manager and Lenovos website said it was unavailable on w10, because w10 does it "automatically" or some bs.
>>54682577
That was true for some time. I only learned about it a few threads back myself that the feature has now been added.
>>54682606
Anything similar for linux?
>>54682649
I have no idea about Linux.
>>54682649
>>54682681
nvm, found this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/34452/how-can-i-limit-battery-charging-to-80-capacity
let's wait and hope it works
>>54682649
Yes TLP, although it's all through the terminal, no pretty gui.
>>54669635
Next general we should add it to the recommended models, along with the X230 and T430 for those who don't mind the new keyboard.
*30 series are probably the best price/performance thinkpad you can get
>>54682705
>X230 and T430
We should only add those if someone finds a decent tutorial on how to replace the keyboard with a *20 one.
Their battery life and heat management is considerably better indeed and they're not too expensive.
Though, when I bought my ThinkPad (T420s) I didn't just look at OP's recommendation. I lurked, read the wiki and asked a lot of questions before I made my decision. I think we shouldn't list any recommended models at all to make people think more for themselves about their decision.
>>54680911
Just install Ubuntu and start using it as a daily driver.
Linux has gotten pretty user friendly, I knew people that use it for like a year and have no idea what's going on in the Linux ecosystem, which means that they simply use it and it works so they don't need to research the OS
>>54682699
How do I configure it so that it starts at 30% and stops at 80%?
>>54682801
But I actually wanna learn about the OS. Would Ubuntu be a good way to start that? Can I safely dual boot it?
>>54682823
>But I actually wanna learn about the OS. Would Ubuntu be a good way to start that?
Yes, you still can, it's just that you don't have to.
>Can I safely dual boot it?
Yes.
>>54682848
Sweet. Downloading it now. Can I use both the GUI and LUI in Ubuntu?
>>54682795
>We should only add those if someone finds a decent tutorial on how to replace the keyboard with a *20 one.
Are you trolling? Are you seriously fucking trolling?
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Install_Classic_Keyboard_on_xx30_Series_ThinkPads
It's seriously the first fucking search result you dipshit. It even provides the links to the BIOS patch and FUCKING TELLS YOU HOW TO APPLY IT.
10/10 great fucking bait you cunt.
>>54682916
LUI? Don't you mean CLI?
>>54683001
I meant the line user interface. I assume the CLI is the command line interface? Basically, get used to using command lines to do shit, like in DOS.
>>54682916
If you don't like Ubuntu you should try Mint. That's what I'm using (with the Xfce DE)
>>54682959
I didn't bother to look it up since I have no need of it. I'm glad it's there. Let's add it to the OP then.
Is this seriously something to get so mad about?
Is it possible to replace x220i (i3) mobo with one of x220 (i5/i7)?
>>54683025
Nobody uses LUI term.
>Basically, get used to using command lines to do shit, like in DOS.
You can, just open up the terminal and learn online basic commands (navigating directories, copying files, etc...) and just play around.
>>54683398
Do the same basic commands work on other linux versions too?
>>54681760
How long did it take you to get used to the trackpoint? I've never used one before
>>54683467
Yeah it's all the same, they all use the GNU coreutils
>>54683161
yes
>>54683544
one day.
You'll find it amazing when playing FPS games on your thinkpad.
>>54683544
Turn off the trackpad for a day and only use the trackpoint. Then you'll wonder how you ever used a laptop without one.
>>54682490
>Stop this meme.
>If they're going to use SpyOS, they should use the latest version of SpyOS that has the newest UI and features and performance.
>There's no point using W7/8.1 anymore.
This so much
>>54683666
An additional benefit of this is that no normie will ever understand how to use your computer. They'll try the touchpad, then give up when it doesn't work.
It's possible to swap out CPUs on the t430, right? What's a good one to replace the i5 version with? I was thinking of throwing an i7 3632qm, unless there's something arguably better I could put in there.
