I love how AMDcucks never learn and are getting their hopes up again. This is how it goes EVERY time
>nvidia release GPU that's faster than anything else at a premium price point
>b-buh j-just wait for [new AMD architecture/card]
>nvidia keep selling their premium priced stuff to early adopter-fags making boatloads of cash
>AMD announces their new architecture, it performs roughly equal but is cheaper
>s-see, I t-told you guys! AMD always wins!
>one week after the announcement nvidia cuts their price to match AMD and announce a new card that will rape the new AMD cards
>b-buh j-just wait for [new AMD architecture/card]
>nvidia use aforementioned boatloads of cash to stay ahead in the development race
i don't really care because people in general don't deserve computers. whatever cash can be extracted from them the better.
>>54665280
are seem like you to guy that has knowledge in graphics cards
what card is best for want burn wife fucker house to shoulders?
budget €300
>>54665296
edgy kid. lookout.
>>54665384
AMD cards generally produce more heat. Buy 5, 5 year old second hand AMD cards and overclock them
>premium price point
On that tier, AMD FirePro W9100
Blows any current GPU out of the water.
>>54665510
>not suggesting a Fermi
>>54665384
If you want a house fire get a Dothan pentium 4 (with hyberbibelin technology) and overclock it.
No gpu could ever compare to that flamethrower
>>54665280
If I get a Nano for less money and with less power usage I will buy it with a big grin on my face
I fucking love MiniITX Builds
>>54665280
So what you are saying is that we should not buy cards at launch prices, but instead wait for the competition and buy cards at the best prices?
Cool. Thanks for the advice!
>>54665526
No it doesn't. It's a workstation card retard
>>54665280
>nvidia releases a new card
>people get hyped up
>benchmarks start to get released
>underperforms from what was expectedand many reviewers says it is a dissapointment since a oc'd 980ti is still faster
>nvidiots go full damage control
>new amd cards are not going to be that good anyways, r-right guys?
>>54665546
Fermi 480 had a TDP of like 250. Which is much less than a bunch of AMD cards retard
In order by price
>>54665619
>many reviewers says it is a disappointment
no
>a oc'd 980ti is still faster
no, slower and more expensive. And that's just the reference 1080
They pulled the old bait and switch, they're rebadging mainstream cards as performance cards. Polaris 10 were supposed to be mainstream cards, but according to new speculation, Polaris 10 is going to be 490 and 490X - not mainstream, as they were initially intended.
Before you say that the Fury line is the "performance/enthusiast" pricebracket and 490/490x are the mainstream pricebracket, in what kind of world is $400 mainstream? 200-$300 is mainstream.
I've been with AMD until now, but if they pull this shit off, I'm never buying their shit again
>>54665652
>>many reviewers says it is a disappointment
>no
yes
>>a oc'd 980ti is still faster
>no, slower and more expensive. And that's just the reference 1080
Pic related is average of several games where the 1080 is on par or has less fps than older carsa
980ti 650€
1080 on release 700€
650 > 700?
Yeah right
Nvidia is cucking you with the shitty founders edition
>>54665280
>one week after the announcement nvidia cuts their price to match AMD and announce a new card that will rape the new AMD cards
I must missed this part, since 1070 is still going to cost like 390$ for longer time, while 1060 dont have predicted release date.
I have GTX 660 right now and just want another card on 60s level of performance and price. If AMD will provide something like that within next month or two, I will gladly buy it.
Im not going to pay some insane price for 80s or something, I dont care about "high-end" cards - my monitor is still 20'' and I dont even want to play vidya games in 4k.
>>54665735
>yes
such as?
Remember that "many" are at least 10, considering how many reviews there are.
>picture
>comparing a stock reference to a heavily overclocked third party that requires extra case cooling (=$) and draws twice as much power (=$)
I already said this was retarded
>700€
The third party ones will be both faster and cheaper. "Founders" is just a way to cash in on early adopter retards
>>54665812
>1070 is still going to cost like 390$ for longer time
>source: /g/-memes
>>54665870
Thats the release price announced several times and there is no info about reduction.
If you have any, share. If you dont, stop shilling.
>>54665911
>there is no info about reduction.
There wasn't for the last 10 generations either retard, yet it still happened whenever a more competitive card launched. Is this literally your first architecture launch?
>>54665937
All I noticed is taht GPUs are getting more and more and more expensive with each generation.
In past, I could get mid-range card for 120-150$. GTX 460 required me to spend 200$, 660 - 260$. When I planned to buy 960 with new PC around late July, the price was around 300$ (translated from my local currency).
Im not going to pay more for a fucking GPU. If Nvidia would want me to pay 320 or something for 1060, then I say fuck it.
Also, 970 still cost pretty much the same where I live, since the release.
>>54665860
>gpu thats cheaper and has same performance doesnt count because it has better cooler
Are you stupid?
Kpeaceoutbye
>>54666011
One reason GPUs are getting more expensive is because the low-end and almost mid-end market has been completely cut off by integrated GPU/CPU combos from AMD/Intel, So only the high-end cards remain. Low-mid end is cheaper than ever.
>Also, 970 still cost pretty much the same where I live
WELL THEN I'VE GOT AMAZING NEWS FOR YOU!!!
It's been cut almost in half since release everywhere else, so you can buy 100 of them from amazon and sell them for 100$ profit EACH where you live
>>54666094
You can't even read retard
>The third party ones will be both faster and cheaper [than the reference, and obviously available to overclock as well]
>it has better cooler
>extra case cooling (=$)
>CASE
I.E. Shit you have to buy in addition to the 980ti
>twice as much power (=$)
>>54666123
>integrated GPU/CPU combos
But those are so shit that they barely count as GPUs. Even installing some few generations old GPUs would lead to better results.
>so you can buy 100 of them from amazon and sell them for 100$ profit EACH where you live
100$ for new or used one?
But transport over ocean and taxes/duty takes its part. With all of this, the ending price for me results in around 225$. Thats how it looks like if you live in Poland.
So hows about that radeon pro duo, eh?
>>54665384
am I the only person that raised an eyebrow to this?
>>54666199
>But those are so shit that they barely count as GPUs
They have cut the entire segment of 0-200$ GPU cards out because they perform as well as the cards that used to be made there.
>>54666199
>poland
Just get in your car, and go to germany senpai
>>54666199
>>54666123
Oh and I just did the searching - no used ones, only new for ~300$.
300 + ~20 (shipping cost) + x1,23 (taxes/duty) x 4 (current exchange rate) = around 1600 PLN, aka 400$.
With that 100$ price, it would be more reasonable (~600PLN, around 150$, less than I initially expected), but again - no offer.
>>54666332
Nigga, the point was that cards always go down in price after launch. We can't help if that doesn't happen specifically in poland
>>54666314
>Just get in your car, and go to germany senpai
I ahve my studies here and most likely future work. You think that anyone else would want physicist with engineer title?
>>54666369
You go back to poland with the cards you bought retard.
also >>54666360
>>54666379
Im not very orientated with prices in EUR. If I could buy good card for 215 EUR or less, I would accept.
But there is no chance that, for example, 1070 would drop down to that price near the middle/end of July. And thats the time I plan ti buy new PC.
AMD is better in every way because it is doing worse in every way compared to competition.
Got to love fanboys.
>>54666094
Jason pls
>>54665510
webm related.
Also op this is inconsequential. Anything priced higher than $450 makes up only 15% of total consumer-grade discrete GPU sales. It's about providing enough performance for as little money as possible below a certain price-threshold that decides profits.
AMD will target the sub $350 graphics market. Only 15% of all GPUs sold are priced at $349 or higher. And of that 15% only 3% are priced at $449 or higher. This means that AMD’s Polaris GPUs are aimed at market segments where the volumes are inherently significantly larger compared to the 1080 and 1070.
Still, however, people will pay huge sums of money if they're compelled. Just how much of that market segment is saturated remains to be seen, with the 1080 going for as high as $1000 in some places (e.g. Australia) due to SHORTAGES, something Nvidia fanboys kept saying won't happen.
>>54666437
What point are you even trying to make?
nVidia obviously makes more money than AMD on gfx cards, and OP is making fun of the retards thinking AMDs new architecture is going to outclass nvidia in both performance/value
>>54666417
>>54666551
>Looks at AMDs stock.
I'm not so sure sempai.
>>54666437
>shortages
>retailer markups due to demand and vendors gouging the fuck out of australians are Nvidia's fault
Jesus fuck you insufferable retarded fanboys don't even think about what you spout
>>54666437
>AMD is immune to shortages and vendor price hikes
I guess someone forgot that r9 290x's were going for upwards of $1000 because of buttcoin mining. I suppose that's Nvidia's fault too amirite?
>>54665546
Pppppfffffftttt 480gtx pal. proper firestarter
>>54667269
yea, if nvidia could have crunched numbers like that then the whole price hike may have leveled out sooner.
>>54667616
>it's Nvidia's fault AMD's prices were jacked up
Does anyone else need anymore evidence that fucking retarded AMDerps are perpetually deluded fuckwits?
>>54667629
Do you not understand sarcasm at all?
Granted, if both amd and nvidia put out a gpu capable of crunching the numbers the overall effect of taking a 300$ card and putting it up to 700-800$ wouldn't have happened, and it wasn't even a shortage of cards the same way as nvidias paperlaunch is, it was a 100% new segment of buyers who gravitated toward one company only.
>>54665384
was that in english?
>>54665280
"GeForce 3 with no DX8.1" vs Radeon 8500
"GeForce FX series with 3dfx technology" vs Radeon 9000 series
"GeForce 200 High-End models with no DX10.1" vs Radeon HD4000
"No GeForce 400 until 2010" vs Radeon 5000 in 2009
I think I made my point filthy nvidia shill (and I know when nvidia was better too, except I'm not a fanboy shill, like GeForce 6 vs Radeon X100 series).
>>54667675
>Sarcasm in typed form
>I was only pretending to be retarded
I'm sorry I couldn't recognize your inflection through your ascii text.
>>54665280
AMD doesn't care because it sold 300 million console chips.
>>54665280
Sad part is with the monopoly homes - planned obsolescence and more and more cheap / low quality builds mixed up with sold stocks to rise the profits.
>>54665860
>The third party ones will be both faster and cheaper.
Yeah, but they won't be out for months, and by that time we'll have AMD cards out as well.
It does kind of suck that PC, which is supposed to be an open platform with lots of choice, is pretty much dominated by NVIDIA, with AMD as a distant second, and no other feasible alternatives.
NVIDIA fags that celebrate this fact are only making the problem worse while shooting themselves in the foot.
>>54665384
You will need four GTX 480 if you actually want a real housefire, and not a meme housefire
Also some somewhat shit PSU (a chink low quality one) that can deliver a lot of power, with thin ass cables
>tfw I have two r9 fury's
>>54667769
People still don't buy unpopular shit even if it is objectively better.
"Mom I want nvidia!" or "Son, nvidia is best!"
No one wants a Matrox XXX when you can have a GeForce XXX even if it is half as fast (just a minority of people that aren't idiots).
>>54667835
not him, but
1. AMD has never been objectively better though, so your argument isn't really relevant
2. People aren't "idiots" because they're not a virgin computer nerd like you. You probably can't even change a set of sparkplugs even though it's a 5 minute job requiring no special tools.
>>54665677
How does it affect you really? And how is it bad that they kept their product specs secret so that nvidia doesnt know what will compete with?
>>54667246
>implying I'm a fanboy
>implying shortages are not besetting the 1080 atm
>>54667269
>it's ok because AMD did it
>>54668226
>AMD did it
AMD didn't do it you fucktard, and neither did NVIDIA, they don't control retail pricing you fucking fucktard.
>>54667269
>MUH NVIDIAS EPHICIENT 16NIGGAMETER YIELDS
kys
>>54668226
>this fucking faggot retard doesn't understand that Nvidia and AMD don't get any extra money through retailer price hikes due to demand and shortages.
>>54668216
>How does it affect you really?
They can price it higher. And Polaris 10 has been pretty much confirmed to be in the same performance level as the r9 390, so I don't know what the hell AMD is thinking.
>>54665296
>>54668254
>>54668243
Point of the matter my retarded fanboys is that shills of your like said prices would be stable because nvidias manufacturing process would not lead to shortages due to their high efficiency manufacturing process. It did in fact happen and nvidiots have again found themselves in the firing line.
>it's ok to pay $900-1000 for the 1080 because nvidia didn't do this on purpose
This is how retarded you are.
>>54665280
>graphics card fight
>on fucking /g/
>>>/v/
anywhere but here
>>54668261
I dont think they would do that. I mean hawai rebranding was a shit thing, they sure wont make polaris10 a 400$ to compete with their previous gen. AMD knows they should compete with the 1070 at a cheaper pricepoint. I really hope so otherwise i would have to wait for the big chips to replace my 290x
>>54668304
Prices are fucking stable though anon, factories can only make so many cards at one time, can you fucking wait till inventory gets large enough before crying about how a product at launch can't completely satisfy demand.
Find literally one tech product from any company at launch that isn't fucking sold the fuck out and being sold on ebay for 20x the price?
>>54668304
>Prices aren't stable at launch
>The MRSP is still the same
>Retailers jacking up the price because people can't wait a few days for the card is the manufacturer's fault
I never knew /g/ was this retarded.
>>54668367
I think they would. Polaris 11 is set to fill the R7 series, and Polaris 10 the entire R9 series
AMD shit the bed again tbqfh
>>54668348
Yeah, /g/ is for superior threads like people reposting the same pictures of their desk every day for several months and fights about the best way to download superhero movies
>>54665280
Don't care about performance, I don't mind losing a few frames per second in games because I don't play that many games to begin with. I like AMD's hardware better because it runs cooler, it's open source which makes it have a better ecosystem for development and innovation. AMD is also first to support new technologies (AMD brought us HBM, full featured directx 12, crossfire which has way better scaling than SLI etc.).
I don't mind people buying nvidia hardware, both AMD and nvidia are good hardware vendors, but I'd rather support AMD.
>>54668376
Yeah I know m8, process needs to mature. I'd give it until september about. It's just that the shills on this board were so adamant about extolling the 1080/1070's ""low"" pricepoint advertised by nvidia and shitposted about it the entire week. People who aren't retarded said it won't be as low as that and they were right, much to the chagrin of nvidia fanboys. Just pointing this out is all.
>>54668408
>implying 3rd party manufacturers won't ramp up the prices and sell for slightly less (or more) than the reference
>implying they're in any way obliged to sell at the suggested price
You're retarded as fuck.
>>54668527
>Implying 3rd party manufacturers won't ramp up the prices
They won't because there's something called 'competition' because other 'manufacturers' will sell it for less because they'll lose sales if they jack up the prices.
You are the retarded one.
>>54668453
>it runs cooler
1. Objectively wrong for the last 6 years.
2. Are you one of those high-school dropouts who think the temperature of a chip is related to how much heat it produces?
>I like AMD's hardware better because it's open source
what are you even talking about? 100% of the hardware and 95% of the software is properitary
>AMD is also first to support new technologies
Is this just because you're a fanboy or do you actually have any sort of data regarding # of new technologies supported/developed by AMD vs nvidia?
>HBM, full featured directx 12, crossfire
You don't care about gaming but all examples are mainly gaming related. Top lel.
>>54668527
>implying 3rd party manufacturers won't ramp up the prices and sell for slightly less (or more) than the reference
What are you talking about? Reference cards are always the most expensive, then 3rd party cards get lower in price.
>>54667734
yea i get that, but really, how do you respond to what i responded to seriously?
the only argument i could have is if nvidia crunched numbers the shortage would have been spread and not as bad across the two venders.
i mean amd didnt paper launch the 280-290x and the 7850-7990, a completely new market opened up and bought them all, and it was more profitable for them to get them early that they didn't care about the 1000$+ tag
>>54668527
Do you even know how market forces work you retarded cunt?
If some manufacturers try to jack up prices (which they do and can, since basically Asus charges a premium over for example EVGA) They'll get undercut by fucking competition.
>It's nvidia's fault.
You do know that this is also just as possible with AMD cards right you fucktard?
>>54668635
There are plenty of retards everywhere on the internet.
>>54668527
See this one idiot who's complaining about how 3rd party manufacturers will jack up the prices on cards for some fairy fucking unicorn reason.
>>54668025
Yeah, it sucks having enough money to just pay someone to do all that for me. On the bright side, I imagine the world will always need mechanics, so you should be fine.
>>54665280
"us gamers"
right OP?
>>54668690
>Yeah, it sucks having enough money to just pay someone to do all that for me.
Which is the same reason people buy prebuilds (which predominantly use intel+nvidia), buy mac, and don't use open source alternatives.
You just debunked your own argument retard.
>>54665619
>be hardcore bleeding edge nvidia fanboy graphics junkie
>buy latest "Founder's Edition" reference card with premium thermals and mechanicals.
>be gamer
>>54668626
I don't really care, nvidia marketing team. You buy your cards, I buy mine.
>>54668743
>I don't really care
Obviously, since you're poorly read, but still advocate a point
>nvidia still cant into dx12
enjoy being forced to buy a new card again next year goyvidia cucks
>>54668626
Fury X runs cooler than the ti/1080/etc.
>>54668757
>Obviously, since you're poorly read, but still advocate a point
That doesn't really make any sense, but okay.
>>54668743
>here's what I think and here's my points
>but most of that is factually wrong m8
>I DON'T CARE
>>54668776
You said you prefer AMD and you tried to motivate it (advocating a point). The way you tried to motivate it showed that you were poorly read.
Is it dumbed down enough for you now?
>>54668769
What makes you think they don't already look forward to buying the next incremental upgrade? It's not about what it can't do tomorrow, it's about being able to shitpost on /g/ today.
>>54668778
>>54668789
Wow the shlling is in full force today, holy fuck. I never said nvidia is bad, all I said was that AMD is better for my use case. AMD also was the first to feature HBM in GPUs, so you can't even argue that point and call it 'factually incorrect'.
There are also many graphs which show the fury x actually runs cooler than the 1080, but whatever.
>>54668626
>muh cuda
>>54668774
>1080
>comparing a water cooled card to a stock air cooled
Good point retard. Also you can always just increase the fan speed to constant 100% and have any card run cooler than any other card. It's a completely pointless thing to care about unless you want the card to last 10+ years. In which case you buy one with lower TDP, which has been nvidia for the last 6 years, like I said
>>54668573
They'll go as high as possible retard. They don't give a fuck about a MSRP.
>>54668634
It's up to them entirely.
>>54668641
Are you pretending to be retarded? What does AMD have to do with anything? People were saying the advertised price will be what consumers will pay. A lot of which won't because of low yields.
>You do know that this is also just as possible with AMD cards right you fucktard?
Not as likely because of smaller die but yeah.
>>54668668
>3rd party manufacturers won't jack up the prices on cards as high as possible for some fairy fucking unicorn reason
Dumb tard. Kill yourself.
>>54668821
>all I said was that AMD is better for my use case
but the things you said were factually wrong. "DAS JUS MY OPPINION" doesn't get you out of that.
>AMD also was the first to feature HBM in GPU
And nvidia was first with a bunch of other things. Like I said, unless you "actually have any sort of data regarding # of new technologies supported/developed by AMD vs nvidia" then you're just being a fanboy
>fury x actually runs cooler than the 1080
see >>54668875
>>54668912
>they'll go as high as possible
No, because someone will sell it for lower and get more market share. This is how competition works.
Market forces won't just change because you hate a company you retarded cuck.
>>54668912
>the advertised price will be what consumers will pay
It will because if you don't some other manufacturer will make it for cheaper and sell for that price. You can't sell for below MRSP or Nvidia won't sell you anymore silicone.
Can you get a clue about how manufacturing and price points work before trying to talk about things you clearly know very little about?
>>54668931
b-b-buh j-jeeeews :'(
>>54668875
Doesn't fucking matter fuckface. It runs cooler and you can get fucked. It's quieter too.
>>54668971
>It runs cooler and you can get fucked
If you put the exact same water cooler on the 1080, it will be both cooler and quieter than the fury x because the 1080 produces less heat. This is why it's such a stupid point, only made by people who don't understand how this works.
>>54669020
You can't possibly attach a water block onto a 1080 and get super awesome watercooling though!
>AMD is great because the only way they can achieve comparable performance is to attach a fucking radiator to their cards then claim the 'performance' crown because their shitty poorly designed cheap watercoolers come as 'standard'/
>>54669020
Water cooling won't stop the 1080 throttling hard under load though, as proven already here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-3fi1ovAP0
What a piece of garbage.
I love how /g/ says video games are for children then push nshittia cards onto people.
Why would I pay double the price of an amd r9 series card?
I recently ordered a GTX 750ti off eBay but got scammed by being sent the wrong item in the right box. I paid £90 (buyer said it would be new). I got a (used) HD 7850 instead, should I refund or keep?
>>54669120
Gpu boost 3 is throttled by temps you fucktard.
It will throttle once it reaches a certain temperature like every well designed GPU should.
>>54669140
Obviously because you get a faster card and the same performance/$
>>54669020
>moving the goalpost
The fury X runs cooler than the 1080 and this is fact. Kill yourself.
>>54669182
I think it's a good deal, other than the 7850 being used.... refund in any case imo
>>54669235
Yeah still waiting for seller to respond before eBay takes action
Why is this board full of brand loyal cock suckers?
>>54669286
Poorfags with post purchase rationalization.
>>54669323
Except that's wrong, if you buy something because it costs less, you don't need to recionalize your decision
If you buy something that costs more and offers the same performance, then you need to perform some mental gymnastics to rationalize your purchase
>>54669230
You're the one moving the goalpost by comparing two completely different coolers.
>Ferraris are faster than Fords
>LOL NO, This ford with a jet engine welded on to it is faster than a ferrari. Ford WINS!
And again, even if you get your internet point for being "right". What are you even trying to say? I think you're fundamentally ignorant about technology, and you think temperature somehow shows how much heat is being produced. The 1080 is a cooler card than the fury. That's just fact.
>>54669384
Where did I say anything about something costing less?
Besides, your argument is complete nonsense. Say you have a choice between a car that costs $9k and one that costs $10k. You choose the cheaper one. You end up finding out that it's complete shit, and spending the extra $1k would've been worth it. Engage rationalization.
>>54669386
>fords are slower than ferraris
>proven wrong i.e. not necessarily true
>no u
Nice.
>proven wrong
>still continues baiting saying the 1080 is a cooler card than the fury x
>further shows he's trolling by saying it's fact when neither the GPU nor the card runs cooler than the fury x
You should stop posting. I know I am.
>>54669442
>Poorfags with post purchase rationalization
>>54669442
>have two options
>one comes with a custom hood or mercedes logo slapped on
>proceed to rationalize purchase when you realize it's a hunk of junk that causes housefires and significantly loses performance yearly
>>54669445
I say cooler as in produces less heat. That's what's actually important for performance, noise, whatever. see >>54669020
Now you can continue and be autistic about semantics, or you can start caring about the stuff that actually matters
>>54669140
You not a true gaymer unless you play it the way it's meant to be played™.
>>54669458
Being a poorfag doesn't necessarily mean you buy the cheaper product.
What is meant by it here is that you don't have the necessary money to correct your mistake. If you end up spending $5 on a product that ends up being shit, you generally won't care enough to start rationalizing. It's just $5, who gives a shit. If you do the same with a larger amount of money, an amount that would hurt to lose, then rationalizing becomes a thing.
>>54669445
Well in that case I have a water cooled nvidia 920 that runs at 16c. Your move retard.
>>54669490
Yes, I'm not a true gamer, you are absolutely right about that.
>>54669216
I don't play enough video games to care. My card has no problem playing high definition movies/shows and that's good enough for me.
>>54669140
1. It's still the reason you would pay double the price of an amd r9 card. That's what you asked about, stupid.
2. Using r9 as an example for watching movies/shows is also stupid. I seriously hope you didn't actually waste your money on a graphics card when integrated can do 4k movies.
