>>54664732
First for Django, the framework for perfectionists with deadlines

>>54664732

these links are fucking shit

>>54664716
TS is pretty good, if you ignore the part of it, that came before ES6 compliance.

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Thoughts on Angular2/Typescript as compared to AngularJS?

>>54664770

And people who don't mind Panama papers scale security leaks on their resume

>>54664969
>it happened because of django
nice meme

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Anybody here had any luck making a living off their own websites?

My job is ending soon and I get 6 months worth of salary with me while I have no expenses living at home. So I'm thinking about spending the year developing and promoting my own niche websites. And then making some affiliate income. I think with a proper niche it's perfectly viable. But because so many pajeets try and fail I was wondering if other people here had any success with it.

how good are you at math?

I'm a front end dev, gonna start learning math again from scratch, think it's holding me back

>>54665040
Math is just practise. Nobody gets good at it without doing it a lot.
But I don't believe you really need it. You just need to understand the basics.

>>54664969
Wait, Mossack Fonseca used Django?

>>54664998
I act as a middleman in my website, making it easier for property sellers to reach clients and vice versa. While many of these exist, mine is specialist for a certain property company who used to use facebook threads to make enquiries, as these are quite high-end properties. I make decent cash, almost enough to live off it

>>54665058
I want to build ui's that model real physics and stuff like that

>>54665075
Sounds good. A while ago a friend of mine suggested making a marketplace where regular people can place work to be done, like building a new shed, and then suppliers can bid on those work offers. But I ditched the idea because I didn't think he'd contribute the same amount of time as I would.

So now I'm working on a different idea with someone who's both willing and capable of investing time and money. We've got so many ideas of things that can be build. But we couldn't execute most without some degree of financial independence. So losing my job feels like a great opportunity.

I'll probably start working as a front end intern soon. I think I now realize this is not for me because I already think for how much hours per day I'll need to write angular and what not. I can't see myself doing something so non creative and boring. Fuck. I don't think I'll survive, I barely even force myself to learn more JS.

>>54665178
Nice. I too will be out of a job relatively soon, probably by December.

I am under the impression B2B would be better than B2C, or at least easier to monetize, so I am searching for something in that area, but have not decided, yet.

>>54665282
The great thing about b2b is that businesses are used to buying overly expensive subscriptions. And they are used to cold calls. So you can literally approach them with your product.

I usually just lurk, but wanted to jump in and recommend you guys try Clojurescript. Has completely changed my way of writing for the web and how productive I am. I might try stuff like elm in the future, but if I can help it, I am never going back to JS.

Hey what do you think are the bare minimum neccessary skills to be a Front end intern? Like what should i be able to do and have in my portfolio?

>>54664826
I've mostly worked on mobile and servers, just started using angular last year. Now angular 2 seems too different for me, the main problem that I've no idea how I'm going to migrate my projects.
Also I don't had any problem with javascript, but angular 2 has most of it's docs in typescript so I'm somewhat forced to change.
I can't understand why they have to change every standard in frontend this often, this much.

>>54665561
But do you REALLy have to migrate to Angular 2?

>>54665059
>>54664969

I see Drupal not django

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2016-04/06/panama-papers-mossack-fonseca-website-security-problems

>>54665601
Idk, the benefit of the meme technologies is the wide range of plugins and support (and demos and tutorials), so eventually most of the new features will only be presented in angular 2. Currently in our local frontend meetups there's hardly anything else on the topic besides angular 2, so I guess I have to adjust.

>>54664826
fuck them, I stick with React. at least they wont introduce React 2.0 and change everything.

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>>54665798
Angular is a lot faster when you get the hang of it.
*insert why not both meme*

Is front end development a boring field?

>>54665951
Things are only boring if you find them boring.

>>54665810
Faster to develop, slow to run.

>>54665810
i just need the view component lol. I want to extend my current websites, not convert them to SPA's

>>54665332
Re reading my question makes me look like such a lazy fuckbag. Anyways what im trying to say is im halfway through javascript&jquery, by jon duckett, finished his book on html and css and have made an imageboard, everyday sites that look like salon.com(without a proper logo and custom graphics but i bought a photoshop manual and pirated photoshopCC cuz im a broke nig) etc. Working on a blackjack game that has graphics and everything while displaying chances of winning, logic process of card counting. Gonna read a book on php amd sql after What else do i needa do to land a webdev internship senpai?

/wdg/

I am a proficient PHP dev and know front end development and design.

Is it worth me learning say, meteor/react with graphql for a personal project when PHP is a solution I can implement with working knowledge?

I feel meteor/react is a better package for what i want to achieve but the browser i wish to support (chrome 3) can not support modern features.

The browser listed above I need to support only really is for login verification and I expect the actual site to be used properly out of game. (The browser is an in game browser, eve online)

Any other Web Devs with shit memories here?

I'm a mid level web dev (5 years professional experience) but I still have to look up syntax and commands for a bunch of normal stuff (even basic stuff like defining classes) and can't do Regex at all without a cheatsheet.

I've dyspraxia which probably goes towards my shit memory but it's still embarassing having to look up shit, especially when someone's looking over your shoulder asking you to do something.

>>54666927
>I am a proficient PHP dev
And I am a man with a penis

>>54667094
programmers should never try and remember anything, the only stuff you should remember is stuff that sticks in your brain from using it

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How do I set up a server to host a website? I know about digital ocean but I've never used linux before, all the guides are so confusing that whenever I make a mistake I have no idea how to undo it so I just destroy the server and make a new one. The command names and syntax are extremely obscure and I can't remember them.

Is there a retards guide for this that doesn't involve an 800 page book?

>>54665178

My idea for a site has been a holiday diary site.

You do your plans for a holiday on a website, where you're going each day etc. you can set it up so that facebook friends or whatever can view it, add comments, make suggestions.

At the end of the day on holiday you write a little diary entry attach some photos etc. or you can do the whole thing when you get back.

You can also see the holidays celebrities have taken, and advertisers can pay to offer holidays that match the itineraries. Outside of celebrities you have promoted/highly rated holidays.

There'd be anti-stalking measures like letting you delay the publication of itineraries until after you've left, blocking it from public view etc.

>>54667194
Write down your own guide...

Install a VM and play around with them, exactly what I do. Some linux distros like centos comes allows you to select packages to install to have it set up as a web server or small corporate server, etc.

>>54667144

I know it should be expected that you have one eye on the documentation but you still feel like a fucking moron looking up basic commands when someone is watching.

what's really shitty is writing code during interviews.

>>54666898
What I dislike about this field is that most of it seems to be a meme, unimportant shit. I never feel like I'm creating something new, always some generic business crud apps with a new memework on top of it every time. I can't force myself to spend my time building yet another shitty imageboard just so I can put it in a portfolio. Now I'm learning Angular 1 and Angular 2 is already changing everything. Just fucking why? Webdev seems like a one big circlejerk.

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>>54667139
Hasn't really answered my question bud bit this is for trying.

>>54667194
This is what shared hosting was created for, people like you.

>>54667267
Btw reply was a mistake.

>>54667255
>tfw interviewer asks me to invert a binary tree on the whiteboard and I don't know how

kill me

>>54667287
I don't want shared hosting though

>>54667267
Web technologies move too fast, this is all...

After 3 months something new has come out that people are using. Angular 1 will still need to be supported as its so widely used. Angular 2 will transition in over the coming year/s.

All you really need to know is programming basics/principles and you can push that over to different languages and frameworks.

>>54667267

To be honest, web development is constantly changing and you spend massive amounts of time relearning stuff you already know (you know SASS? We use LESS).

After a while you stop caring. Once you learn the core principle of how a technology works, it doesn't really matter if there are syntax differences, it all blends in together.

You start off as a web dev with HTML, CSS, MYSQL and a bit of JS and after a couple of jobs, you end up with a list of technologies you've learnt that go on for a large paragraph.
SASS/LESS, JQuery/YUI, MVC frameworks, templators, Composer/Bower/gulp, GIT/SVN. It's frustrating and annoying switching techs but you get pretty numb to it

>>54667296
>prepared for interview
>turn up, whiteboard
>nail first 2 questions
>third question is code refactoring, removing redundant and unreachable code
EasyPeasy.png
>tfw im there staring at the board for like 5 mins like.. dafuq.

Interviews are intimidating.

Still got the job.

>>54667094
It's normal.
>can't do Regex at all without a cheatsheet.
Nigga, nobody knows regex.
I did plenty of regex and I still have to use testers and constructors and whatnot to create regex shit... then I forget what the fuck I was doing in the first place.

>>54667296

>had a tree traversal code exam to complete before the interview to my current job
>apparently I got the highest score they'd had on the test

It's nice having my imposter syndrome knocked back occasionally.

Tree traversal is always a fucking bitch. All it really tells you is that someone went to university.

No one uses that kind of recursion in web development because it's fucking confusing to write and read and rarely better than iteration.

>>54667348
>be me
>be intern
>first job ever
>have to know HTML, CSS, JS, jQuery, Angular, Bower, Git, Gulp/Grunt, Bootstrap/Foundation, Sass/Less and all the other company made technologies just to get an internship for a month

>>54667306
It's not to bad nowadays. Cloud Linux keeps everything compartmentalized, keeping your neighbors noise down. The new cPanel let's you choose all different types of versions of webserver/php/other languages to get the best compatibility. Litespeed web server is also tits.

>>54667356

No good interviewer should make you do code examples in interviews. In the job you're never going to be working without the ability to go to reference sites.

You can be massively skilled and still come up blank when they ask you to use a structure that is only used for very specific situations or some very specific 'basic' algorithm that they learnt at their university.

>>54667465
What about Google and the other giants that murder you with those kinds of questions? For a front end e.g. you have to know more CS than webdev.

>>54667306

Modern hosting generally uses isolated instances which makes shared hosting less of an issue now.

>>54667492

Set questions are bullshit and tell you fuck all about a someone other than they've gone to uni or read through example questions for interviews.

Google do these logic problems so they can boast about their interview process, not because it results in getting better people.

>>54667445
Guy from original intern question, please tell me this isnt real

>>54667671

It's very common for job adverts to have stupidly long wishlists with very specific technologies. Developers sent a list of the skills they use to HR, HR writes a stupid long list of 'must have' knowledge.

It's very rare they demand knowledge of all those things. You just need to know the core technologies and show that you can learn the rest.

>>54667671
I'm currently learning Angular and then I'll have to go through some other docs (programming conventions of a company etc.). I have no idea what are Bower and Grunt yet. The rest of the things I know fortunately. To be honest, I didn't even started, and I already dislike this field. The worst part is actually that I'll most likely work on a boring stuff I don't care about and will have to learn more and more meme frameworks as I go. I'd much rather go a web design route, but there are a lot less jobs for that out there and I don't have much of a portfolio at this point. Front end on the other hand seems to be available everywhere. It feels too exhausting and lacks creativity. Life sucks.

>>54667727
This one is actually not by HR and you can't start working without knowing it, but at least you don't have to know them inside out.

Actually, bigger companies around me ask even more than this one.

>>54667772
didn't start* ffs

If they ask a ton of shit for web dev positions, how hard are those, compared to a regular programming positions? Which job is easier?

>>54667814
Web dev, no doubt.

>>54667814
Mathematically speaking, webdev is easier

However, due to the large amounts of technology involved, as well as paradigms and workflow styles per technology, webdev is more about creative, synergistic thinking, and that can be tough itself

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>mfw using Django

>>54667226
I remember seeing such websites before.

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Any bootstrap guys here? I fucked up the navbar, but not sure where. It looks like theres extra padding on the bottom, but no idea where it comes from.

Website in question uses wordpress / my custom bootstrap theme, if that matters

>>54667226
I(remember you posting this in like january or something.

You could have made this by now.

Also you can combine entries from different locations and print into a travel book.

>>54668186
Post your BS code.

>>54668247
CSS

 
#custom-bootstrap-menu.navbar-default {
    font-size: 20px;
    background-color: rgba(235, 245, 244, 0.89);
    background: -webkit-linear-gradient(top, rgba(248, 248, 248, 1) 0%, rgba(235, 245, 244, 0.89) 100%);
    background: linear-gradient(to bottom, rgba(248, 248, 248, 1) 0%, rgba(235, 245, 244, 0.89) 100%);
    border-width: 1px;
    border-radius: 6px;
}

The rest of the css is just colors.

HTML

<div id="custom-bootstrap-menu" class="navbar navbar-default " role="navigation">
    <div class="container-fluid">
        <div class="navbar-header"><a class="navbar-brand" href="#">Brand</a>
            <button type="button" class="navbar-toggle" data-toggle="collapse" data-target=".navbar-menubuilder"><span class="sr-only">Toggle navigation</span><span class="icon-bar"></span><span class="icon-bar"></span><span class="icon-bar"></span>
            </button>
        </div>
        <div class="collapse navbar-collapse navbar-menubuilder">
            <ul class="nav navbar-nav navbar-left">
                <li><a href="#">Bride&amp;Groom</a>
                </li>
                <li><a href="#">Program</a>
                </li>
                <li><a href="#">Syrenka</a>
                </li>
                <li><a href="#">Transport</a>
                </li>
                <li><a href="/contact">Contact Us</a>
                </li>
            </ul>
        </div>
    </div>
</div>

>>54667445

>HTML, CSS, JS
If you don't know this stuff, you aren't worth jack shit.. Get out.

>jQuery
JS library used in 99% of all websites. Even if you hate it, you need to know it since it's what everyone else uses. The documentation is pretty good for the more complicated shit, but it's most commonly used for the selectors, utility functions like $.forEach(), and ajax stuff because vanilla js is verbose as shit and developers are lazy by nature.

>Git
I'll grant you that git has some curve balls, but if you aren't using version control for everything, you're a dogshit programmer. Get out.

>Bower, Gulp/Grunt
These will make your life way easier, but unless you're the lead developer, you don't need to know line-by-line what everything does, just have a general idea and know what commands to run.

>Bootstrap/Foundation
These are easy as fuck, just read the documentation

>Sass/Less
Literally just css with a few conveniences added. Easy as fuck.

>Angular/all the other company made technologies
I'll grant you this, but if you don't know the stuff the company is using, what good are you to them? As an intern, they most likely don't expect you to know it inside-out, just have a good conceptual understanding overall.

Stop complaining and go study, or become a welder or something. Welders make good money.

>>54668312
Works in codepen.

In wordpress don't you only need to call in the functions to display what you want like the loop?

Why have an default wordpress styling at all?

>>54668471
But anon, I already know most of this stuff, except for bower, gulp etc... I'm just saying what they ask you to know for an internship. Just pure HTML, CSS and JS are not enough, as some of the guys here think. Most of this actually is easy as fuck. Boring as fuck too, though.

I don't even know what I'm doing here.
>Webbabby
>degree means nothing
>inferior to "real" programmers
>have to constantly learn shit and build trivial business """apps"""
>a lot of work for a little praise
>on top of it all, boring

It's nice to know this and I would like doing my own shit when I want, but doing this as a job... I think I'll kill myself very soon.

>>54668561
(other anon)

Yeah, you can just put php functions inside html. I build my wp sites from scratch, no default stylings because it would just confuse me as shit.

Do you think that UI/UX designers/developers are a meme? From what I've learned in my courses I think they kinda are.

I'm doing a final year thesis on UX and UI btw, anybody maybe has some good resources?

>>54668657
Same. My Wordpress site also barely uses standard Wordpress stuff.
At my website I add banners and menus simply by uploader them to my banner or menu folder. And then my php code loads them automatically.

Is codecadamy a meme place to learn something from the scratch? I've chosen javascript and first it was going well, it says I've finished 34% so far. Now I'm at "for loop" with searching for letters in a text and kinda lost the clue on wtf is going on.

>>54668820
yeah it's a meme site, I have to say this everyday, and it's still in the OP for some reason

Is the "PHP is bad" maymay shilled by ASP.NET pajeets?

>>54668842
What's the good one for complete beginners like me? Maybe I should go to w3school instead?

>>54668864
It's said by most people who don't use PHP ie sane people

>>54668864
PHP revolutionized web development and was a brilliant idea, but there's no getting around the fact that it is an objectively bad language by today's standards.

>WATCH THIS IF YOU WANT TO BECOME A WEB DEVELOPER!
>tfw I know all of that

Am I a good webdev?

>>54668904
Only if your ability to apply succeeds your knowledge

>>54668904
It's clickbait for ad revenue, senpai. They're not even saying it'll help you be a web developer

I have a site and I would like to link to specifically link to the first entry (Eddie D.) on this site http://xtrememoment.pgtb.me/FBHTTn/kPCPS?w=47679082&e=124909342

How can I make that happen? is there a jump to specific position/area on another site html code?

>>54668628
> Just pure HTML, CSS and JS are not enough, as some of the guys here think.

Who thinks that? People recommend they learn HTML/CSS/JS because they're core skills that every web developer needs to know, and basically everything else is built upon them. If you want to be a carpenter, you need to know what a hammer does. Is that enough knowledge to become a carpenter? Fuck no, but how can you learn about advanced shit if you can't even use a hammer?

>Most of this actually is easy as fuck.
Most things are, once you learn how to use them

>Boring as fuck too, though.
The minutia of any job isn't going to be fucking disneyland all the time. There are boring parts, and there are non-boring parts to everything. Get used to it.

>I don't even know what I'm doing here.
Bitching and moaning because entry-level web dev isn't as interesting as your chinese cartoons?

>Webbabby
So was literally everyone doing web dev at one point.

>degree means nothing
Depends on the degree, but I don't see how basing your employment on actually knowing the shit you need to know for your job instead of a really expensive piece of paper is a bad thing?

>inferior to "real" programmers
Welcome to imposter syndrome. Literally every programmer feels like this roughly 50% of the time. You will never know everything. You will always have to look shit up. There's always a better way to do things. Get over it. You will always look at your coworkers' code and think "Shit, that's way better than mine..." but you know what, they'll be thinking the same thing about yours.

>>54668628
>>54668982
>have to constantly learn shit and build trivial business """apps"""
Yeah, that's why they pay you money do do it. (Sometimes a lot of money). They want a thing, and they want to pay someone who knows how to make that thing to make that thing. You aren't a fucking artist, you're an engineer. You're a fry-cook. Customer tells you what kind of a sandwich they want, and you make it. Get rid of your delusions of grandeur, it's just a fucking job.

>a lot of work for a little praise
What the fuck, why do you want praise? You want praise, get a GF, or better yet a hooker. I'll take my praise in the form of a check, thank you.

>on top of it all, boring
Again, that's why they fucking pay you.

>It's nice to know this and I would like doing my own shit when I want, but doing this as a job... I think I'll kill myself very soon.
If you're delusional enough to think you're entitled to make pretty little css animations or whatever and get your dick sucked all day, please remove yourself from the gene pool because you clearly don't live in the real world.

From a guy who is going to be learning AngularJS what should be my basic knowlege requirement. I know Javascript, HTML ,CSS and basic C++.

>>54669005
Read the docs. Go through the tutorials on the site.

Find a few good Angular tutorials on youtube.

Watch them and write down every concept that you don't understand, like Dep. Injection, MVC, etc.

Learn those things, and repeat until you run out of stuff to learn.

Then start making projects. Google/read the docs until you have a working thing. Then do it again making a more complicated thing.

>>54669005
HTML and JS are enough as far as I know.

I think these tutorials are actually very good for Angular 1.x. Just started going through the videos and it seems it'll go a lot more in-depth than average tutorials.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKkUN-mJtPQ&list=PL6n9fhu94yhWKHkcL7RJmmXyxkuFB3KSl

Maybe somebody more knowledgeable could check this out and say if it's really that good. I think it is.

>>54669052
I was trying to find some decent angular project I could do in a few weeks tops. Any ideas?

>>54668939

can you anons stop arguing and help me out

>>54669052
>How to give generic advice: the post

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>>54669059
>poop accent

>>54669078
Yeah, but it's not that bad. Usually they can make pretty good tutorials.

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>>54668680
>do you think that

Yes. For the love of god yes. They are the biggest meme profession of the 21st century and literally everyone is falling for it.

Their profession is 20% horseshit new age "design philosophy" which contains zero design principles that are older than ten years, but garbage like "pain points" and other memetastic buzzwords, 75% the smug self-entitlement of a person who can make $90k a year at their first job after doing a three-month bootcamp, and 5% basic color palettes and fonts.

Effectively their entire job is grimacing and groaning like a Fashion Avenue prima donna at whatever the collective hipsters of the world have secretly decided is not "in". Often I'll make my first pass at a new design something purposefully intended to make them puke all over their doc martens, then scratch my head and shrug like the webdev neanderthal they see me as.

If you're working at a place where you have to deal with one of these creatures I hope to god you're making good money. Whenever they open their mouth to talk, just think about the money.

>>54668939
>>54669073
normally you'd do website.com/page.html#id-attribute-of-element to link to a part of a page, but that page in particular removes the hash for some reason so no

>>54669052
That's actually pretty solid advice, not just for AngularJS but for anything learning new.
Copypasta(ing) it for future.

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>Begin to learn JS a month ago.
>I know enough to read and understand how most scripts work.
>Can't for the life of me make one from the ground up because I don't know where to even begin.

>>54668997
Eh, I'm just ranting. I'm pissed off at myself because I switched studies and will probably end up here if I don't do something.

I only realized that I could have gotten a non-boring (for me ofc) and more respected job, not to mention that I would be better at that than at webdev anyway.

On top of it all, I spent money (not in debt, but still), on a degree with which I'm kinda stuck in web dev while this field doesn't even need a degree. I could have just studied something else then, I would have more career options.

>>54669172
Stop being dramatic. Try starting with a variable.

Reading =/= doing.
Practice, practice, practice, anon.

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What's everyone working on?

>Blog website
>Have user signup/login
>Create/Edit/Delete posts
>Almost have following implemented.

This is the furthest I've gotten with a project

>>54669172
This is me a year ago.You would have just learnt by reading and not doing much practically.
Now I'm a lot better and can write some advanced tier web applications.I started from FreeCodeCamp they have full free and very good Front End tutorials with a good learning curve and good support.
Can complete the whole thing in two months.
But if you know basics you will have to go through it again.
I did it that way and recommned it. if you really want to be good at web developement and willing to dedicate some time I'd recommend it.
www.freecodecamp.com

>>54669206
This. If you can't keep learning, you're donezo.

>>54669117
It would be sad if I told you how much courses in UX I had (which were actually a web design, marketing etc., but it all boils down to UX).

Every.Single.Time. I have to listen about AIDA, user flow, creating motherfucking personas, creating basic wireframes just so I show I can do that, but it doesn't matter at all if they are good or not, basic color theory, google ads, user testing and other buzzwords. It's disgusting. And it is easy as fuck, wtf.

Just look at this shitty persona for /g/:

Pajeet Kumar, 32 years old, lives in India, married with 7 children. PHP developer. Pajeet is interested in a website where he can talk with other people about memeiest web technologies.

I just made this up, look at me! Am I a genius UX designer/developer/artisan/marketer/ninja yet? xDDDDdDDdDdD

Fucking hell.

>>54667348
This, so much this.

>>54669317
And btw yeah, I actually have to make a thesis on this. But I'll focus more on UI and write about design theory so it's more web design-y than UX-y. Fuck me.

>>54669290
I can do that with Rails in 5 minutes. I feel bad about that because it feels like cheating.

>>54669351
Yeah, its not anything fancy too. I feel like I have a lot of redundant stuff I need to go through, but this is also me playing around with Expressjs/Node

>>54668657
I'm using my "own" theme, just followed a guide so I could upload my own theme.

http://blog.teamtreehouse.com/responsive-wordpress-bootstrap-theme-tutorial

Still can't wrap my head around why the nav-bar has that extra bit of padding. Makes no sense. According to jsfiddle, there isn't anything wrong with my code. So it HAS to be wordpress fucking me over one place or the other.

https://jsfiddle.net/j67j52yn/

>>54669383
I don't even use css frameworks, last time when I was doing something with Foundation I spent more time fixing shit than actually doing. Now I do everything myself.

>>54667226
I don't see it working out.
>you can see holidays celebrities have taken
What's their incentive to share that? I don't follow gossip columns, but AFAIK celebs go to significant lengths to maintain their privacy in holidays. They have like favorite islands and shit.

>Outside of celebrities you have promoted/highly rated holidays
I'm pretty sure the best/most interesting holidays are just that because they're not filled with tourists and plebeians. Posting your favorite holiday online would be a sure way to ruin a repeat experience.

On top of that, you'd need to give people incentive to document their holidays in detail.

>>54669191
You don't *need* a degree for web dev like you do for some careers. It definitely opens more doors for you though, even if it's in something stupid.

>>54668997
>you're an engineer. You're a fry-cook.
Totally the same thing.

>>54669074
To certain things there is no magic bullet, no ultimate solution. Sometimes the Jim Belushi of comments is just right.

>>54669136

is there any other way to do it? a script or something

If I had to work with Angular while the backend is written in .NET, Java or similar, what kind of work would I do in that job position? Consume data and show it a view or? What else?

>>54669290
A far too ambitious imageboard.

>>54669290
2 apps and 3 website, but now I'm learning piano. ADD is a bitch.

>>54669694
What language/framework?

>>54669684
Most likely you'd end up writing CRUD software. E.g. you have
>a data model of interrelated things in db
>a DAO (ORM or something manual)
>possibly a service layer that provides views and other custom access to the DAO
>an API
>-- Backend stops here --
>you have an MVC or one of its many variants modeling, manipulating, visualizing and updating the data to the API
So you need to also to be able to modify the data, push the updates to the server, and possibly delete it.

This job is looking for exactly what I have. The building is beautiful and the company seems cool.

I even think a few restaurants by the building are nice and could see myself eating lunch there with co-workers.

Now let me apply and get denied by this place too.

>>54669861
Go and >frameworks

I'll tell them I'll work for minimum wage. I really need the experience.

I'm tired of spending ages doing add-edit-delete for every piece of content and users.

Any MVC frameworks that'll make this shit quick and easy or even something that'll just build the relevant classes if you define the fields you want?

>>54670051
Don't be a Pajeet

>>54670084
I've been trying to get a job for months at 30k and no interview. Fuck this. 7.25 an hour let's go. I'll just leave after a few months.

>>54669383
I'd just inspect the nav bar element on wordpress and check the CSS, to see what the padding is coming from.

>>54670051

It's funny how people think that makes them look like a no-lose scenario for the employer.

This is what the person hiring you will hear: "I'll leave you for someplace better once you've spent time and money training me!"

>>54670128
I got a webdev job paying supermarket employee wages because the manager was leaving in a week any way

There is hope for us lucky ones

>>54670108
Thanks, used the firefox inspector, found out I had an extra div there. <div class="container-fluid"> seemed to fuck everything up.

>>54670128
"I really want to work for this company so I'll take what you give me."

how is that bad?

>>54670100
Maybe everyone can smell the desperation and that's why they don't hire you

>>54664732
nobody even uses PHP anymore.

>>54669383

expand everything, look for the element with the margin or padding applied.

Save yourself a lot of pain, browsers apply a bunch of default margins and padding to elements and they all do it differently. Get a reset.css or set margins and padding to 0 for everything yourself.

Inspecting the raw code, seems like you've got a browser default margin in your UL. Set the margin to 0.

>>54669291
Did you complete all of FCC or did you stop at a certain point?

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how do i link to this entry specifically from another site?

http://xtrememoment.pgtb.me/FBHTTn/kPCPS?w=47679082&e=124909342

>>54670301

which element can be used as a reference for a link?

>>54670189

Training is expensive. Having someone who is a minefield of bad coding practices is expensive. This eats up senior dev time who'll be on 4 times your salary.

They don't want someone who is on pathetic unsustainable wages who'll leave once he's no longer a liability. They want a junior developer on junior developer wages who'll stay for 3+ years.

They want a payoff for your training.

>>54670301
I already answered your question last thread
unless you can change the html of that site you want to link to, you can't

>>54670301

http://xtrememoment.pgtb.me/FBHTTn/kPCPS?w=47679082&e=124909342#my_db_entry_124909342

And that's the best you'll get.

Before you ask, you won't be able to auto-click it from a link, browser makers go to great effort to make that impractical and difficuilt.

>>54670350

i found <div id='voting2'> and it only works when i'm on the site and put #voting2 at the end, it doesn't work when you link it and click it, really weird

http://xtrememoment.pgtb.me/FBHTTn#voting2

^ as you can see if you click that it won't work, but if you click that then type #voting2 at the end it will work

>>54670226
Motivation and desperation are different.

I want this to be my career.

>>54670382
Motivation implies self-value. Which people who work for minimum wage do not possess

>>54670379
again, read the answer I already gave you >>54669136
if you can't take "no" for an answer then stop asking

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>>54670231
Right.

>>54670325
I'm not a minefield of bad coding.

You're implying I'm worth only 7.25

>>54664732
Is that quote in a thumbnail actually real??

>>54670417
You implied that when you said that's what you'd work for

>>54670417

You're asking for 7.25. That IS all you're worth.

>>54670379
>>54670404

i hear you anon

you think it can be possible as an iframe? a way to position it to show only that specific entry

http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml_iframe

<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
<body>

<iframe src="http://xtrememoment.pgtb.me/FBHTTn/kPCPS?w=47679082&e=124909342">
<p>Your browser does not support iframes.</p>
</iframe>

</body>
</html>

>>54664732
Restarting your webserver every x requests is a reasonable solution. That's in fact the core of many of the web frameworks that you use.

>>54670432
Yes. Why shouldn't it be?

guys, i run a pomf clone as a hobby to learn about backend. whenever i upload a file, nginx throws "a client request body is buffered to a temporary file."
everything works, but i dont know why it needs/wants to do that. is this normal or do i just have some weird setting somewhere that i could turn off?

>>54670506
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22a+client+request+body+is+buffered+to+a+temporary+file%22

I can't get anywhere without experience or a degree here.

If I can't work for less than I'm worth then what can I do? My code samples get thousands of views a week each and thats not getting me in the door either.

>>54670559
Have you tried sexual favors? Lube up that booty hole.

>>54670559
Where are you posting your code samples, that are getting thousands per week?

>>54670649
The live portions have their own websites. Code is just on guthub.

>>54670720
Oh, I see. How does your github look?

>>54670559
It's probably more the degree. You don't have one right? HR is probably trashpiling your resume.

>Trying to code in pure CSS after using bootstrap
I feel like I'm learning to walk again

>>54670923
It might feel good but frameworks are important, mate.

>>54670975
It doesn't feel good, learning to walk must suck.

I'm not going back

>>54670923
For me it was different. For some reason I always had troubles with raw css but after using frameworks, when I went back, everything clicked. Easy as fuck.

>>54670559

Make your own site to host your code samples. Got family that needs a website? Make one for them.

Contribute something to an OSS project.

Try a more specialised skill, Wordpress and Drupal are both in demand, learning Drupal theming or module development can be good.

Try contracting. Put your name in with an agency (be honest about your skills there is work even for 'can do a bit of CSS and HTML').

Personally, I went the contracting route, did it for 18 months until I had a good range of skills. Good money for often trivial work but it'll also force you to learn new technologies and processes.

Lastly, when you have an interview: you want to build your skills and progress through their company. Lots of people have a real hard on for you saying stuff like "I want to build up my skills and become a senior developer"

>go contracting
>one of the people working with says "I used to work at <dev studio> in <local town>, it was a shitshow, would never work there again"
>contract at a few more places
>decide to go for a full time job
>reasonable sized dev studio in <medium sized city>
>ace the interview, get told to wait an hour to talk with the CEO and get a job offer after talking to him
>"oh yeah, we used to be based in <local town>"

Jobs ok with some nice perks but it's turned into a clusterfuck now that has been building up for a while. Think I need to jump before I get pushed...

>>54665810
did pajeet write this infographic?

So what are good metrics for web dev?

>>54665810
If Angular is so good why the fuck doesn't Google use it?

>>54671232
Gmail uses it

>>54671078
How do I find these agencies?

Sounds like a good plan.

>>54664826
>screenshot of a monitor

>>54665160
>ui
>real physics

What?

>>54671277
If Angular is so good why is there an Angualr 2.0.

<protip>
Angular 2.0 is just a brand and very little to do with angular 1.x
</protip>

How much time do you spend daily while learning a new language, /g/?
I mean, what's your opinion on when it is better to stop and wait till tomorrow.

>>54671554
When my brain goes "why did I just do that?" 2 seconds after I did it. That's when I stop. 6 to 8 hours.

>>54671648
How much of a language can you learn in 6-8 hours?

>>54671725
Depends. But you will get the basics in first 6-8 hours.

What should I use instead of PHP?

>>54671725
Depends on what I'm making.

I usually jump into input and array syntax as fast as possible, then database interaction shortly after.

>>54671995
There's still a million PHP jobs, for example Facebook.

This guy is also a pretty good PHP security consultant
http://homakov.blogspot.ca/
http://sakurity.com/blog

Hey I am programmer and I have a website that I use for my portfolio, mini company, and to mess around and learn stuff with. (in other words low traffic and I don't need a dedicated server).

Right now I am with HostGator and pay $107.40 a year (8.95 a month) for shared hosting, $15 a year for a .com domain name, and $10 a year so they mask my who is info. Is that pretty much par for course or can I switch to save a decent amount of money on my hosting and domain somewhere else ?

>>54672075
Go to news.ycombinator.com and search 'free hosting' or 'cheap hosting'. https://neocities.org/

There's also people who use the free EC2 instance and deploy from github, paying $0.00 per year

Who is better at life?

>programmers
or
>web developers

?

>>54672075
You can get hosting for $1 a month and .com domain + masking for under $20.

>>54672144
Whichever one enjoys their job more.

I just found out about this free hosting.

http://www.heliohost.org/home/

Anybody heard of it? What's this?

>>54667356
>whiteboard

does this shit really happen during interviews? why can't you just use a computer?

>>54672302
Have you not ever interviewed before?

Yes.

>>54672232
So neither

>>54672132
>>54672192

thanks for the feedback guys. been looking around at a lot of sites. its really a pain in the ass picking this stuff out.

Can anybody explain the reason why websites don't completely use something like angular? E.g. a news portal which loads every article without refreshing?

>>54672946
Higher pageload, unnecessary complexity, more bandwidth.

>>54672946
Because AJAX is a thing.

>>54672946
Angular is not a backend framework, its only a frontend framework, you still need a backend framework to handle database stuff

using this factory:

'use strict';

angular.module('diaryApp')
  .factory('auth', 
      function (diaryService, $firebaseAuth) {
          return{
              $firebaseAuth(diaryService.getAuth())
          }
  });

but I get this error from angular:

Error: $injector:undef
Undefined Value
Provider 'auth' must return a value from $get factory method.

how is this fixed?

>>54671995
a minimal framework like Sinatra, Flask or Express

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>Looking for web developer job
>"You need a computer science degree and 5 years and shiet"

>Look for web developer job, specifically PHP
>I can literally pick where to work. They train me. No degree or bullshit involved

This was 3 years ago. PHP, javascript, css and HTML are the only languages I know.

Am I missing something, /g/? I still consider myself new to programming even though it has been a few years since I begun. I feel like I am missing something about web development.

>>54673960
You had a degree, didn't you?

I like how they take people with degrees to train them on shit they don't know but completely ignore people with no degrees that have been making websites since the womb days.

"Haha! You went 80k in debt just like me! Here's a job!"

>>54674011
That's because it's hard to judge someone's skill level. Degrees are an easy way to show you at least meet some basic requirements.

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>>54674011
>You had a degree, didn't you?

No. It is free in Europe but I didn't. I had to emigrate to Germany to get the experience tho and now I cannot go back to Spain because the same reason you mentioned. I will get ignored because I have no degree and now I am literally stucked in Germany

>>54674059
Like what? Learn that Turing liked penis and do 2 weeks of Java?

Yeah, that's a requirement of nothing.

from my experiences nobody gives a shit about a degree for coding jobs. The hiring process is vastly different that someone wanting to get into business right out of college. They want to see if you can write code or not. Really simple.

>>54674135

Yeah, nah. You better have a degree or your CV goes to the trash.

>>54674227

pls go

>>54674227
Not true.

>>54674135
I studied law because I didn't want to sit behind the computer all day and turn into a no life geek. It didn't help. Making websites is so comfy.

>>54674077
What's the problem with the Germany? I thought it's one of the most successful european countries.

>>54674135
>from my experiences nobody gives a shit about a degree for coding jobs.
if your coding job is titled "software developer" or something lesser, yes, because they are looking for a code monkey do do data entry tier shit.

If your job has the word "engineer" or "architect" in the title, instead of "developer", you will need a degree.

>>54664732
>Death to PHP!

Go fuck yourself.

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I need to make simple website.

When I was 15, over 10 years ago, I made a site with this generic layout, using frames.

Apparently frames are outdated and I shouldn't be using them.

Can someone steer me in the right direction? It's going to be a local news website where I essentially just post mugshots and a short blurb about the crime committed underneath.

I have some wordpress tutorial courses, and a bitnami virtual machine with wordpress installed, so I can fuck around, but I'm not sure this is the best course of action and I don't want to waste time.

Can someone give me some advice or steer me in the right direction? Pic related is exactly what I'm hoping to accomplish.

>>54674227
Or prior experience.

I'm contemplating just sending a link to a webpage with animation waypoints showing and listing my shit one after the other.

>>54674405
Go ahead and use wordpress for that.

If frames are your latest knowledge then you're months from catching up. Over a decade behind times. Wordpress is fine for that kind of site.

>>54674405
Now people just use divs, which are basically squares you can reshape with css.
http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_layout.asp

>>54674059
>That's because it's hard to judge someone's skill level.

Not really. You just ask them to do some problems on the white board.

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>>54674339

Germany is great and I have all the work I could ask for. I am also payed pretty well and programmers get respected and not treated like nerd filth that temper with computers. Also, I can fuck as many eastern european girls as I want.

This is a paradise for programmers.

But this is not my country. I want to fuck off.

>>54674405

You can find dozen of codes on the internet with that layout.

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>>54674369
No :^)

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what's the best way to set my server to download the latest version from my github and store it in /var/www ?

something like "curl http://github.com/repository | mv /var/www | chown 2775" ? I'm not good with linux and I want to stop doing this with FTP every time.

Maybe I could even save the code as a snippet and execute it over my phone's SSH or set up a cron tab? (my server is ubuntu)

Thanks

>>54674457
divs and bootstrap would make a quick, easy and attractive site eh?

>>54674656
You can do that with <100 lines of PHP.

I luv php. Just use zf2 or symfony and it'z all good bby.

>>54674777
Trips of truth. Personal Home Page for the win.

hello guys,

can you please help me position iframe on this specific part of site: http://i.imgur.com/L04NXWm.png

similar to how it is done here: http://cyberstarweb.com/how-to-position-a-page-within-an-iframe-using-css/

the site is: http://xtrememoment.pgtb.me/FBHTTn/kPCPS?w=47679082&e=124909342

i'll paypal you $5 if you help me out (just leave your paypal with the embed code)

>>54674809
How about $50?

>>54674809

https://jsfiddle.net/ch70feh6/

how do i embed this code into my blog?

>>54674708
>>54674656
Or 3 line of bash.

git pull
cp -r * /var/www/
chown -R 550 /var/www/*

>>54666927
Meteor is good for realtime stuff. Its kind of entirely built around a websocket type interface, so the server can push changes to the client without the client having to request them as you would with a standard RESTful web service. In order to accomplish this they have their own custom-built version of MongoDB called Minimongo or something. A lot of developer control has been sacrificed in order to make this realtime update feature work, so if you don't need that feature there's no point in using Meteor.

Meteor is also its own fucking weird little niche outside of the greater node.js and javascript development community. I don't know of anyone who actually uses meteor for anything in production.

>The browser listed above I need to support only really is for login verification and I expect the actual site to be used properly out of game. (The browser is an in game browser, eve online)

But browser support has nothing to do with your back-end stack, only the CSS and Javascript that you send to the browser. There's probably no need to use a frontend meme framework like React, just use regular normal fucking HTML/CSS/Javascript. Frontend frameworks are completely unnecessary for the vast majority of projects that you find them used in.

Also you don't have to use the ingame browser to authenticate. Eve now has out-of-game authorization support, so you can authenticate through Eve via an out-of-game browser. For example: http://intelmap.xyz

There's even an NPM package for it: https://www.npmjs.com/package/passport-eveonline

Also unsub from Eve, its a shit game.

>>54674809
> $5 dollars

I wouldn't even load that page for $5 dollars.

>>54674850
How can I save this into a batch file and execute it on demand?
Is there an android app to execute scripts over ssh on a click or do I need to save a snippet run the file?

>>54674341

i landed an asp.net job without a degree. Did i make it?

First time using mvc.
Whats the simplest easy to use mvc out there?

Maria? Riot.js? Canjs?

>>54675280
Must be nice.

>>54670432
Yes. That's the creator of PHP.

Okay, what's the best way to get associated entities from an entity? Let's say I have an entity Foo and entity Bar, and there's an n to m relation between them. The first idea is to just say $foo->getBar() to load the Bar entities but what if there is more than one association?

Let's say I have an n to m association between Foo and Bar, as well as an 1 to n association between them. $foo->getBar() doesn't say which one of the associations I'm getting.

I thought about writing the associations down somewhere, so I have a keyword to get said association. Is there a better or at least more common approach for what I'm doing?

>>54675483

donejs

>>54675483
Golang+Gin

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Lads, this is your challenge. Please post results here so I can um....verify them.

>>54675772

why would knowing how to do this be useful? is this a real life developing problem?

>>54675806
Yes.
Also it's not that hard. Just recursively pull the stuff out of arrays and be done.

>>54675827

whats a real example of needing to flatten an array or arrays?

>>54675827
Why would recursion be necessary? Can't just iterate through it normally?

>>54675842
Having a menu with submenus, but wanting a plain list of the links.

>>54675848
Should work too, but recursion is the simple approach

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>get bored this weekend
>hey lets check out codecademy
>complete HTML and JS courses
>actually enjoy it

wut

>>54675754
Gin uses httpRouter, which may be fast, but is very limited in terms of what it can do. It can't even serve two dynamic paths under the same root. A deal breaker, if you ask me.

>>54675957
Good for you, do jQuery and Angular now.

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How should I approach getting a Real Job when I've been doing freelance stuff (websites, admin, random scripts/tools) for businesses for a few years? I don't think anyone wants to see a brochure site on a resume.

I have no degree.

>>54676037
If it's a good brochure site it belongs in your portfolio

>>54676037
>How should I approach getting a Real Job when I've been doing freelance stuff (websites, admin, random scripts/tools) for businesses for a few years?
make a portfolio of all that stuff
put it on a website
make that website's URL the very first piece of information on your resume.

>>54675691
Noone here doing anything related to associations?

>>54665040
I just recently started getting away from pure back-end stuff and into "interactive development". Stuff that's kinda like games but not really. Stuff that usually has an update loop and needs to respond instantly. But yeah what I've found is that my mathS is lacking massively, and I feel really hampered when it comes to graphical stuff.

It's really exciting rediscovering concepts I vaguely remember from a (rubbish) secondary education 15 years ago though, but now with the context of why it's useful. Really gets me excited about quite simple mathematical concepts. It's a shame that self-driven discovery doesn't mesh well with the entire concept of a regimented education system.

>>54673443
>how is this fixed?
try putting a semi-colon after the return statement in your callback, you dirty nigger

>>54672946
i work at a company that is debating this right now

but basically it seems like a lot of work and complexity for say a newspaper site's basic pages

also the fucking stack keeps changing all the time so it's a pain in the neck in production with lots of devs working on the same code base

>>54671277
i thought gmail doesn't use it, it uses closure

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has anybody on /g/ actually found a full time job as a self taught web dev? how long did it take?