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Except the privacy issues what is windows 10's biggest problem (I cant find any)
>>54640582
Privacy is not the biggest issue actually. The fact that your computer is no longer yours is.
>you either install every update or no updates
>big windows updates uninstall programs they deem as "not compatible" like ccleaner without your permission
>bloatware you cannot remove
>>54640582
>i liek vidya games
Yeah, they're alright.
I can't be as productive on a Windows machine as on a Linux machine
But I would not see this as a problem because of personal preference
>>54640582
I dont understand what the purpose of windows 10 is. It seems like microsoft just wanted to throw something together and make some money off it.
> you're playing a game
> PLZ UPDATE ME I'M SO OLD I CAN'T WAIT
>>54641185
that's been their approach
they've held a monpoly with the pc license & it became the default - not because of quality, but because all the competitoin locked out/extinguished .. the outfit hasn't provided anything new since windows 95. Where they have to compete (mobile), they're exposed. They provide nothing of quality
>>54640582
OS X user here. It's ugly as sin, major regression since Windows 7.
Also still lacks proper High DPI support because of the clusterfuck of different UI frameworks.
>>54641232
Happened to me only once on Vista
Maybe because I stopped playing video games and switched to Linux
IMHO it's the best version of Windows so far. The problem is that even with that fact, it was half assed because MS has given up on trying to beat Linux and they'd rather just team up with Canonical and milk money out of other people doing all the hard work.
For example, there are at least three conflicting UI themes installed in random apps by default. Speaking of that, settings are across several apps, and there's really no cohesion in why they're separated other than the like of QC on Win10.
Also telemetry. They're just milking the thing for add data and then they'll kill it when it's too costly to support. The ship is already sinking, there's no reason to cling on to it.
>>54640582
Whole OS feels incomplete, in a very early stage. Constantly jumping you from normal to 'modern' control panel for no reason, you don't know where settings are. Bettrer stick with 7 for the time being. Even 8.1 feels more consistent.
>>54640582
UI things are a fucking mess.
Some scrollable elements in random places can't be scrolled with the mouse wheel.
In the Settings area a lot of dropdown boxes cannot be typed in to quickly jump to options (like language/region selects), it types into search instead which leaves the page you were on.
Half the time in the Settings area if you click the back arrow you go to the starting page rather than the previous page.
A lot of the newish UI shit is just a cluster fuck of non intuitiveness.
>>54641267
I've switched to Linux and play there. But unfortunately I have wooden laptop and can't play only one online game I play, it's HOTS. Although, HOTS has no optimization on Windows either.
>>54641298
I've only played with Windows 10 for a day before formatting and installing Arch on my new T460p.
But I was very impressed by the UI.
Way better than any DE I've tried.
Am I so paranoid or my win 7 has become work a bit slowly after win10 realise?
>>54641374
Reinstall. This should not be the case. For me works just fine, actually it's faster throughout the UI compared to W10. Avoid these updates.
sloppy integration of Metro
inconsistency in design
Bastardized UI in terms of appearance.
Some driver issues because I have an older laptop.
Most of what all of you guys complain about is nonexistent in the Enterprise version
I literally was never forced to restart to update, not even once! Updates auto install when I shut it down
>>54640831
>>you either install every update or no updates
False. It is easy to disable updates.
>>big windows updates uninstall programs they deem as "not compatible" like ccleaner without your permission
Not with updates disabled.
>>54640582
- Spies on everything you do
- Records all actions and sends them to Microsoft
- Inserts advertisements in the lock screen and start menu
- Bloated with "apps" that you can't uninstall
- Forces all searches through Cortana and Bing
- Requires a Microsoft account to get updates through the useless "app store"
- No dvd/blu-ray playback software by default
- Force installs updates which cause blue screens
>>54641498
You can't disable updates on Home edition.
>>54641534
Bullshit. Its windows. I could delete wuauclt if I wanted to.
>>54640582
The fact that microsoft suggests upgrading to windows 10 more often than 4chan recommends installing gentoo.
Also, install gentoo.
>>54640582
>biggest problem
-Hardware incompatibility. Whenever my pc "sleeps" broadcom doesn't work until reboot. I dualboot with Arch and it doesn't have any issues
-Bitlocker unlock does not work in file upload dialog
-Ridicolously slow, like any other windows
-Random system freeze
-System settings hidden behind the mazes of gpedit. The two placebo control panels are irrelevant.
-Can't do basic tweaking like fontconfig, titlebar config (enterprise ltsb)
>>54641516
How long till I go to jail? I have many anime porn on my PC.
>>54640582
i have all kinds of weird problems, but my use cases are unique and gnu+linux is even harder to get working.
everything normal i do works fine though. you really should use windows 10.
>>54640582
>Except the no wheels issues what is this cars biggest problem (I cant find any)
>>54640582
>slow boot
>cortana
>blackbox wm doesn't work with the new settings menu
>high contrast themes look like shit
>>54640582
Ads.
Because paying for a Windows 10 license means MS gets to put this kind of shit on your lockscreen no matter what option you choose.
When I'm watching anime fullscreen I still get the notification pop ups in the corner.
>>54641277
>I dont understand what the purpose of windows 10 is. It seems like microsoft just wanted to throw something together and make some money off it.
every single OS they release, has been at beta stage - buggy as hell
>>54642718
>no matter what option you choose.
Are you retarded?
>>54640582
>Except the privacy issues what is windows 10's biggest problem (I cant find any)
Have you even used window 10? there is fucking API problems everywhere. I know this is bait but open your fucking eyes you Asian.
>>54642718
is this a joke? i've never seen an ad on my lock screen
Windows 7 fag here. Do I upgrade or not? Also how do I turn off automatic updates?
>finally built new PC
>running win 7 SP1
>just had windows check for updates for 6hours but it's finally come through with 180 'important' and 72 'optional'
So uhh, any list on the ones I absolutely have to hide before installing? And should I install them in one fell swoop or do batches?
>>54642408
>you really should
why?
>>54644457
>So uhh, any list on the ones I absolutely have to hide before installing? And should I install them in one fell swoop or do batches?
just let it install them all however it presents them to you.
typically, large cumulative updates (and updates to Windows Update itself) go first.
you can also force it to check every checkbox and do them in one batch, but when I've done this in the past it's come back with "X updates failed" and I have to run it again anyway.
>>54640582
win10 just fucked up and got corrupt, reset the computer and now everythings gone. installed an old copy of win8 (with a non-genuine activation key, because this laptop was using OEM win10) and windows support now wont activate my copy. literally told me i'd have to pay $100 for a new one. how do win 10 activation keys?
>>54644613
reinstall win7
the new onenote with win10 got rid of the slick rotary menu that made using thesurface pen with notes so friggin sweet
you have to jump through a few hoops to get the win 8 version installed and bring it back
>>54642408
>gnu+linux is even harder to get working
>download Mint/Ubuntu without unity iso
>run Ubuntu iso
>use Ubuntu
I never ran into much with Ubuntu that required me to go and fuck with the system config, apart from when I tried to install a second window manager, which broke everything.
>>54644613
>how do win 10 activation keys?
they are built into the hardware, same with windows 8.
Just install it and it will detect/apply the key for you without even having to ask
>>54644596
you might as well force all and let it only reboot when it absolutely has to in order to continue updating. if you make your own batches of it randomly you'l just end up rebooting more for no reason desu
>>54640582
>windows 10 Anonymous
>anonymous
>windows 10
tip top kek
privacy aside the lack of consistency in Microsoft UI's and in the core operating system (such as two control panels with very different design language, different buttons, different fonts) are the biggest turn off that mess of an operating system
>>54641185
You're right OP. This is a change for Microsoft. What they used to do: They find a company that produces something useful. Stomp on them, take their idea and incorporate it into their own product. That was Billy G days though. Now, they just put a different wrapper on the same ole shit and call it a release. What happened to Windows 9? They had to skip to 10, because sounds better and won't be confused with Windows 95. Ask yourself. What is the difference between Windows 7,8,10? Not much.
>>54640582
>Massive campaign to upgrade with the full intention to trick end users into doing it, hope that grocery store spent a couple extra thousand to set up a WSUS server so their cash registers don't upgrade and become paperweights over night
>Half of the control panel items in settings and the other half in control panel
>All the context menus are different colors and fonts
>Scaling is shit. Even 7 year old Windows 7 scales better on HD displays
>Ads in start menu, turn them off, updates turn them back on
>Have to purchase fucking solitaire now, but wait candy crush is included for free!
>Edge is fucking joke, some MIcrosoft pages don't even render right
>Continued removal of management features from pro like the group policy option for disabling the app store
Fuck Microsoft in their stupid asses. I'm using Windows 7 until 2020 and hoping something else will be feasible on the desktop by then.
>>54644780
>>Edge is fucking joke, some MIcrosoft pages don't even render right
Not to mention that it will fucking instantly eat up every bit of bandwidth you have. If you are on wireless plan, you won't even be able to do anything until you can successfully stop this piece of shit. Sad that they make it look like IE when you first start. Probably eats up more of the net than Netflix.
>>54644811
>Not to mention that it will fucking instantly eat up every bit of bandwidth you have. If you are on wireless plan, you won't even be able to do anything until you can successfully stop this piece of shit.
uhhh
>>54644780
>I'm using Windows 7 until 2020 and hoping something else will be feasible on the desktop by then
If you don't need applications that will run on Windows 7 only, Linux with Cinnamon WM is a lot better for actual use than Windows. It's a nightmare if you want to try to play video games or any other heavy Windows software, though.
>>54644845
>It's a nightmare if you want to try to play video games or any other heavy Windows software, though.
And there is the problem.
All I can hope for is that VMware Workstation will eventually get DX11 passthru and then I'll just run linux with a Win7 VM, but currently it can only accelerate up to DX10.
Slow, heavyweight and used up 40 percent of my CPU with Firefox open with 3 tabs but on Debian with Openbox and 70 tabs open on Firefox it uses not even 5 percent
>>54644873
>And there is the problem.
It's a bummer. I have to swap operating systems if I want to play pretty much any video game I have.
I'm really hoping that Wine will continue getting better until a lot of games work with it. There are a surprising number that work with it right now.
>>54644845
You can use wine if thats the only reason you're not using linux.
>>54642346
The internet police have already backtraced you. Consequences will never be the same.
>>54644925
I'm just banking on Volkin and Dx11 acceleration in a VM by 2019.
If that happens then all of my problems will be solved, can run Linux as a main OS at that point and not sacrifice the things that don't have an analog in Linux.
>>54644942
You really can't. There are a lot of programs that don't work well or at all in Linux. I can't get Sim City 4 to run at all, even though it's rated well on the Wine wiki.
>>54640582
Over previous versions of windows nothing. /g/ is just autistic
Privacy issues aside, it just sort of feels like a beta still. It isn't terrible, I've got it on a drive that I move between computers when I need to do something Windows-y, but it doesn't feel done yet, lots of little glitches that wouldn't be a problem if they didn't happen so much.
>>54644643
>I I tried to install a second window manager, which broke everything
Anyone still running Windows 4,5,or 6?
>>54645067
It's surprising how few sources tell you that this will break everything. It's still not as bad as when I tried to look up instructions for swap encryption. The majority of guides didn't bother to point out that if you don't use a UUID, you're gonna format a drive by accident one day. Thankfully I started with Arch wiki, which warns about that.
>>54640582
The same problems other versions of Windows had:
>cuckware
>insecure
>bloated
>slow
>can't customize it
>not a productive environment
>not POSIX complaint
Now with addition of:
>you rent your own PC from Microsoft
>official spyware
>official ads
If you are not forced by your environment or ignorance, why the fuck would you use it?
>>54644457
kb3035585
>inconsistent UI
>NFS shares can no longer be mounted outside the enterprise version
>a few other things limited to enterprise version
>non-free software
>no package manager
>file system can't handle : in folder names
>no man pages
I guess the things that apply to Windows versions besides 10 are probably cop-out answers, huh? Sorry.
>>54640831
>Removes your programs without your consent.
Is this shit true? Wincucks...
![windows-10-lockscreen-ads-100648002-orig[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0tu2DT4.jpg "windows-10-lockscreen-ads-100648002-orig[1].jpg")
>>54642900
You definitely are. Look at the options in the original picture idiot.
"I like this ad" or "Show me a different ad" is not turning it off. They want the facebook tier who are too lazy to go into the settings to keep letting them punch them in the face.
They leave the fuck off button behind the settings menu and label it as "Get fun facts, tips, tricks, and more on your lock screen"." Not "display targeted ads based on the data we've been taking from you".
I recently installed windows 10 and have been fighting it for about a week.
It's the only way I can describe it... "Fighting".
IF I let windows do whatever it wants, it works quite well. But as soon as I want to change something or install non-microsoft program all hell breaks loose.
I fucking hate it.
>>54644780
>Have to purchase fucking solitaire now, but wait candy crush is included for free!
It's not a purchase. It's 10 dollars for one year. Subscription model.
>>54645709
That was my experience with Windows 7. I imagine it only got worse since then. Especially with this cancerous new SaaS-like model of theirs where your own OS deletes incompatible "apps" after updating (>>54645516 yes, it's true) and shit like that.
>>54641269
'Given up on trying to beat Linux'
How do you go about trying to beat something that has a market share so low it can be filed under 'other'?
Do you mean server usage?
>>54641498
You completely missed what he meant.
>>54642623
Equivocation fallacy. You're a fucking moron.
>>54641417
yes x1000
this is the biggest issue with Windows in General. compatibility with old application glues a shit ton legacy code from the DOS days into the modern OSs and this has gotten so bad that Win 10 is now just a cluster of multiple OSs. Windows really needs another ground up rebuild. Then they need to figure out what their OS does and how it should work. Win10 is a mess and has no real design vision.
>>54646066
Servers yes, but maybe he meant general quality. For a long time Windows relied on having better hardware support, enterprise deals and coming pre-installed on fresh machines, which are results of business tactics, not better product quality.
For ages they didn't have features such as virtual desktops, decent terminal, package manager, couldn't use all file system formats etc. But they kept pushing it to "average Joe" the same way Apple pushes some of their products to "special snowflake Joe".
The only thing Windows really always did better is games (target group: "underage Joe"). But, again, that's the outcome of business deals and monopoly.
Biggest issue I had was it was locking me down in some temporary account instead of my own. I had to log in using my M$ account every time (and it was pain in the ass due to 2-step verification) . After I fixed that shit, then the desktop started flickering and it all went black, the screen only appeared for miliseconds, and my mouse didn't work either.
Then I got furious and installed good ol' Win 8.1
it's fine
i'm just mad those niggers forced me to update with continually changing pop-up tier horseshit
>do you not not don't want to not update in an hour, or... yes? don't click if you don't not want to do it!
>>54646656
holy shit man. I turned on my computer and something came up that said "Your PC will upgrade to windows 10 in 15 minutes!" with a little countdown, despite NEVER agreeing to that in the first place. Completely forced bullshit. I had to agree to upgrade at a later time before I could open up a new window that let finally me cancel the upgrade. What a joke, fuck Microsoft.
>>54643088
Don't do it man. Windows 7 works and doesn't give you as much of 'pat down' as Win 10 does.
>>54643088
you turn off the update service with services.msc
boom done
and you turn it back on when you wanna update
Resource wise, does Windows 10 use more or less than Windows 8?
Except the value of having a new thing, what is Windows 10's biggest benefit (I can't find any)
>>54644844
You realize that doesn't work for wired connections right?
It embraces capitalism which doesn't fit in the digital world as it will do nothing but hinder process. BURNN IT ALL DOWN MAAAAAN
It killed technology. We have no choice but to abandon computers all together, have a social life and get a real job with real world work. Computer work isn't work.
>get booted out of windows 7
>"windows is configuring updates for windows 10"
>okay maybe it won't actually upgrade right?
>configuration done
>computer restarts
>upgrading to windows 10
>fuck fuck fuck
>reboot PC
>restoring previous version of windows
>10 minutes of this
>after login desktop background for another 10 minutes
>tense as fuck
>windows 7 restored
This is the biggest problem with windows 10.
Fresh Windows 7 install, updates ready to be installed. Anyone got an up-to-date list of things I should be unchecking/blocking before installing them or a tool or something?
>>54645645
OK, so not "no matter what option you choose".
>>54645516
Happens with Speccy
>>54648969
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>>54641516
Do tell which "apps" can't be removed.
>>54640582
They removed settings. I don't know what important options they removed but things are gone like the theme setting options.
>>54640582
you can't control which update you want to install and when...
>>54641008
My fucking sides
>>54641405
>muh paranoia
>>54640582
Random bugs. I have this thing were when the computer first boots up it doesnt full screen properly. It thinks the top 15% of the screen or so isnt there. The search is fucked if you type into it things appear and are gone the next moment all kinds of shit.
Also its mostly backwards compatible but something is fucked I couldn't get it to run the software that lets me monitor my video streams from my chink shit nvr remotely had to go back to 7. I spent 3 days playing with all the run this as windows 7 or whatever options nothing helped. It ran for awhile then crashed randomly.
Spying is the biggest though and really unforgivable. Im practical enough that I use it when I have to but it runs a vm on a linux machine so I can watch it. Helps that once I install the software I use I dont need updates often so I dont even give it network connections. None of my real info is in the vm.
>>54641277
>Muh isconsitiezis
Looks pretty good to me, you must be an autist
>>54651049
>He likes being datamined by telemetry and adware W10 shillware
>>54651095
>Malicious Software Removal Tool
>telemetry
I'm on /g/ alright
>>54640582
>install win10 pro
>adjust system settings and group policy settings for my needs
>update
>half of my settings reverted, other half does not make any effect
>mkay, lets try microsoft office
>while office is installing - delete pre-installing shit app like fucking facebooks-twitter ass
>okay, office updates
>adjust office settings too
>all office settings reverted after update
>open start menu
>i see a fucking twitter and candy crush downloading and installing right after reboot
This operating system is a fucking joke.
>be me
>be watching animu
>get a call from my sister saying that some update bullshit showed up
>tell her to wait on it
>6 hours later
>it just now ended
>and apparently it doesn't have WiFi drivers for some reason
Fucking hell Microsoft I just wanted to stay at home, it's fucking freezing. I had to go to her house to install it because W10 forgot laptops use WiFi.
