>1080 is literally 50% faster than the fury x at 4k dx 12
So now that we´ve got the dx12 meme out of the way what bullshit will AMDrones come up next about Nvidia cards?
>>54597920
Oops, that's 1440p where its 72% faster
Here is the 4k benchmark
>>54597920
>>54597948
>Rise of the Goy Raider
>Powered by Nvidia ShillWerks
>representative
>>54597999
>this benchmark doesn't count!
>i-its not really dx12!!
Okay lets look at Ashes of the singularity, totaly optimized for AMD cards, and even there they get fucked up
You are out of memes faggot
>>54598034
Ashes isn't optimized for AMD, its just purely optimized for DX12 / New APIs.
>>54598034
>1080p
>dx12 performance kicks in for higher res
>>54598034
Nvidia had 8 months of time to optimize and work with oxide. You can't optimize a lack of hardware scheduling.
Gameworks is a closed source black box that AMD has no access to and devs can't even say du too non disclosure with nvidia.
>>54598375
"AMD optimised" is just an asshurt version of saying
>Multicore enabled
>Properly developed
Shills seem to think that any thing that benefits AMD only benefit them, yet the way they do things, it ultimately just ends up meaning better performance for everyone due to better implementation of low level features that make a huge impact.
>>54598034
>Pascal still can't into DX12
Nvidia shills BTFO
>>54597920
>>54597948
>>54598034
w-ww-w-wait for polaris!!!
w-w-w-wait for vega!
atleast zen will be good. THEY PROMISED!
Just leave graphics to the professionals, leave it to the Nvidia.
>>54598034
there is no such thing as AMD optimized games. They dont use any proprietary technology in their cards, apart from the few EA games that could use Mantle
>>54598496
This
The amount of salt from AMDrones is so funny.
Even now when the benchmarks are out and we can see that across the board this thing performs insane for a single gpu they will still try to cling on to a single benchmark on a resolution from the stone age where amd cards perform relatively well.
Sure lets just ignore 99.9% of the videogames in which this card absolutely destroys anything AMD has.
And whats AMD's answer? A entry level mainstream vr cards, top kek.
And we haven't even talked about the 1070 which will be even more attractive
How's the 1070 gonna compare to this card? I don't know if I wanna spend the extra 250 or not.
>>54598607
My guess would be about 20-25% worse performance, so 980ti level.
If it oc's as well as the 1080 seems to do it might even come ahead of oc'd 980ti's
>>54598607
if anything it'll be pretty much like the titan x
which is okay I guess because of the price and the added benefit of not getting gimped by gameworks if you get the fury x or polaris
don't forget to factor in the cost of a new house to the price of your 1080. Or the cost of a sprinkler system to keep it from burning your house down
>comparing next gen GPUs to current gen GPUs
Well done Nvidia, you finally won.
>>54597920
Tomb raider doesn't have a-sync implemented, the DX12 there is only a wrapper layer
>>54598034
And in real DX12, the difference is much less
>>54598492
It supports it more than maxwell, but still doesn't have the implementation on the level of AMD
>>54597999
>if AMD performs better than Nvidia it is because AMD products are better
>if Nvidia performs better than AMD its because Nvidia paid the developers to fuck the performance of all cards
Every fucking time
>>54598034
so a year old, cheaper (reminder gtx1080 will release for 700$) amd card is only 6 fps slower when the new amd cards are going to be released in 1 month.
That looks quite good for AMD
>>54597920
>comparing new cards to out cards
>>54598490
Properly Developed?
really?
You are saying that it is the only game properly developed, from hundreads of games develoepd, only this one is properly developed. It cant even cross your mind it is actually the other way round can it??
thats how far your amd fanboyism takes you?
>>54599108
god would it be funny for polaris 10, not even amd's high end, beat a 1080 in dx12. nvidia's 1080ti is only 20% faster then it, amds gpu above polaris if i remember right is at least two times the size.
>>54598537
and your point is?
year end is when nvidia sells all their cards, tax season is when amd sells theirs, should tell you the people who get each right there.
by the time nvidia gets their kids to buy their cards, amds answer to the high end will be out.
>>54599331
wow... that's actually a lot more pathetic when you put it that way.
we are looking at the future of games right here, this api and vulcan, from here our, all major releases will have dx11 legacy and one of the new ones, possibly dropping 11 for vulcan.
dx11 benchmarks are suddenly far less relevant than ever, but still important.
>>54599268
but they do... gameworks and nvidia marketing the game is nvidia paid them to implement it, why else would a dev put something into the game that adds next to nothing but reduces performance across the board compared to open solutions?
>>54597920
>>54597948
>DX12
nobody cares. Vulkan support when?
>>54600379
it is currently the only real dx12 game, not a fake dx12 wrapper, or a ported to dx12/vulcan game.
look at games without gameworks compared to games that have it, you will see a major difference in what the benchmarks look like.
>>54598034
>GTX 1080
>DX12 gain is 20%
>FuryX
>DX12 gain is 48%
Gee, I wonder who is better in DX12.
>>54598034
>gpu released last year is beaten by a gpu announced two weeks ago
Wowitsfuckingnothing.jpg
>>54597920
>>54597948
With temps like these, it better be fucking faster
>>54600522
Never ever for anything.
>>54600382
VEGA is going to be the HBM2 chips most likely, polaris 10 is probably only the 480X, AMD is going to want GDDR5X on it's 490X chips
>in 1-2 years nvidia makes sure 1080 starts performing worse
wew, I'm glad I didn't bought that Fury X with those 500w consumption. Wouldn't want to watercool that.
>>54600646
you will be happy to know that Fury is drawing only 10w more from the wall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXhHivCLBwc
>980
>literally butting heads with the Fury X at stock clock speeds
>mfw an OC'd 980 would stomp an OC'd Fury X because the Fury X can't OC for shit
AMD LITERALLY aren't even trying anymore
>>54600570
>nvidia has to push their chips to the limit
>AMD still easily outclasses them in terms of hardware
If only AMD could actually write decent drivers, they would be in a much better position. Their cards would be much more powerful than nvidia's if they weren't bottlenecked by crappy driver optimization.
>>54600715
>temps=/=pushing to the limit
You do know how much power the 390x/Fury cards consume compared to the 1080/980 cards (ti cards not included)?
See >>54600680
The Fury cards can't OC for a reason whereas the Maxwell cards had retrarded headroom
>>54600715
>could
>would
>would
But they don't.
>>54600715
>pushing themselves to the limit
Is that why AMD cards almost always have zero Overclocking headroom?
>>54600757
>he never owned a based 290
>>54598034
>10% difference, on a new card running on a new node.
>"they got fucked up"
The only one who fucked up there is NVidia. This is pathetic. The card should be 50-70% faster, not 10%. Especially not for a $700 piece of hardware.
>>54600801
>$700
It's $600, and the Fury X starts at $650.
$50 less for 10% better performance sounds like a no brainer to me
>>54600715
A big percentage of that performance difference really is Nvidia fuckery.
Just look at Doom.
>alpha and beta, both AMD and Nvidia running same version of opengl
>AMD destroying Nvidia at every turn
>final version, AMD suddenly forced to run older version they're well known for not being optimized for
>conveniently provides a benchmark to spam, showing Nvidia dominating all over
>everyone forgets ID Software's history with Nvidia
I hate this industry
>>54600785
>almost always
>almost
290 was bretty gud. Too bad that was around 3-4 years ago
>>54600741
>You do know how much power the 390x/Fury cards consume compared to the 1080/980 cards (ti cards not included)?
yea, 50w more than 980, 10w more than 1080.
1080 OC takes 100w more than FuryX
>>54600816
Founder is 699 retard.
Given how nvidia lied about literally everything during the unavailing I don't doubt the MRSP is a lie too. Fuck off
>>54600839
>Founder
No one is going to buy a reference card when cheaper and better options are coming out shortly afterward.
>>54600379
Please show me the "hundraeds" of DX12 games that have been "develoepd". Games that use a DX12 wrapper don't count.
>>54600816
>$699 "founders edishun"
>$599 Vendor MSRP, none to be found
>it's 600,fucko
>XFX Fury X $559 right now
>it starts at $650, faggot
>>54600365
Because polaris will be SO much faster. Oh wait.
>>54600816
>"it's $600, guise"
Nobody will be selling those cards for $600 for at least three months, retard. Your only option now is the $700 founders edition.
>>54598034
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Nvidiots will never learn
>>54600829
Really, the raw specs don't lie.
>AMD
>spends their budget on hardware R&D
Twice as many FLOPS (single and double precision), twice the texture fill rate, twice the pixel fill rate, etc.
The specs go on and on.
>nvidia
>spends their budget on marketing, drivers and anticompetitive tactics
weaker hardware that runs hotter. Performance gains mainly through replacing game's shaders in their drivers and poisoning the competition
>>54600843
>are coming out shortly afterward
I guess you didn't watch the conference to be aware that no aftermarket cards will be available for months
>>54598034
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
>>54600873
>Card that costs $150 more has a 7fps advantage
>this is a win
>$25 per frame
Lmao you can't make this shit the fuck up
>>54600873
Nigger the new cards haven't even released yet.
>>54600918
well but nvidia runs games better in the end
and that is what counts while talking about gay-ming cards
shooo shooo AMDrone
>>54600888
Polaris is not intended to be faster, retard. It's intended to occupy the $200-$300 price range, where 80% of the desktop GPU market is.
Same for this, the GTX 1080 and 1070 ($700 and $450 respectively) are essentially irrelevant products, the real relevant Pascal will be 1060, that is the card that may fuck up AMD if done right.
You retards often forget just how ridiculously tiny the high-end GPU market is. Just go to the Steam hardware survey and look at how many 960s and 970s are there, then compare it to 980s and 980 Tis.
>>54600960
>shooo shooo AMDrone
I own a GTX 970, actually. I bought it because AMD has no working Linux drivers.
I just wish I wouldn't have to give money to nvidia. I fucking hate the company.
>>54600918
Oh, I agree with you, man.
I'm just saying it sucks. I KNOW Nvidia hardware runs better in alot of stuff, but when I take a hard look at why, it disgusts me.
AMD generally does the right thing, and I love that they do, but it really does burn my ass to watch them get outplayed by Nvidia every single time, and endure the Nvidia circle jerk while the industry is held back, yet again, because of the way the company operates.
Sure, Nvidia fans will say the same thing, every time, about AMD guys crying wolf alot (and yes, some really do), but the reality of it is that, much of the time, it's really not AMD's fault that they get beaten.
>>54600960
>960 BTFOd by 380
>970 BTFOd by 390
>980 tied with 390X
The only Nvidia card that performed better than the AMD equivalent was the 980 Ti. Below the $600 market, Nvidia doesn't win in any segment.
>>54601031
Source? I can find only benchmarks where amd lose by 50%+
So your claims are quite wild
>>54601031
This.
>>54601068
Nice meme. Faggot.
seeing as prices will be dropping fairly soon, what card should i try to get my hands on? i'll be upgrading from a 750ti so anything in the 200 plus "whatever i can get from an asus 750ti" price range
>>54601092
>>54601083
Enought with your bullshit AMDrons
Here , even intel beats amd graphic
>>54597920
>1080 bench finally out
>as good as I'd feared
>start to regret getting the zotac amp extreme 980 ti 6gb and not waiting
>suddenly realize that this bench is worthless because it's all reference card stats
Wow, it's nothing
Post aftermarket comparisons if you want anyone to care
>>54601068
See pic related
>380 12.9% faster than 960 (35/31)
>390 7.7% faster than 970 (56/52)
>390X 1.6% faster than 980 (61/60)
And my mistake, the 980 Ti and Fury X (which was absolutely slower at launch) are actually tied now. That's embarassing for Nvidia. Thank god they have a new generation coming up now so they get another chance at not being complete shit.
>>54601128
>3D particle movement
>single threaded
>all these constant shill threads
>>54601031
>980 tied with the 390x
Nigger, a 980 is tied with the Fury and literally butts heads with the Fury X
See: >>54600680
Thats not considering overclocking which would put the 980 ahead of even the FUry X
>>54601153
Nah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXhHivCLBwc
A 980 literally stomps the Fury X in certain games and is neck and neck with it in most others, never mind the 980ti
>>54601153
>390x
>tied with a 980
Nigger, a Fury is more or less tied with a 980, not a 390x
>>54598375
Ashes is also a pretty good game. My favourite RTS since supcom.
Runs fine at 1440p, nearly maxed out on my R9 290
>>54601182
>tries to argue that the 980 is not slower than the 390X with an image that doesn't have the 390X
My god, nvidiafags get more retarded every day.
Don't argue with me, argue with techpowerup which actually tested both cards on their whole suite of games.
>>54601234
>cherry picking a lower resolution to make Nvidia look better
Why not just go straight to 1024x768 or 800x600 then, faggot?
>>54601153
Nah, nowadys it's
1080p
1080 > everything
980ti > Fury X
980 > 390x
980 >= Fury
1440p
1080 > everything
980ti > Fury X
Fury > 980
980 = 390x
4k
1080 > everything
Rest are too weak to run 4k
Overclocks
1080p > everything
980ti >>>> dogshit >>>> Fury X
980 > Fury X
AMD shit the bed with their pitiful OC headroom on their Fury and 390x card. Their only worthwhile card is the 390
>>54601031
>>54601068
R9 380: 3476.5 GFLOPS, 108.6 GT/s
GTX 960: 2308 GFLOPS, 72.1 GT/s
R9 390: 5120 GFLOPs, 160 GT/s
GTX 970: 3494 GFLOPS, 109.2 GT/s
R9 390X: 5913.6 GFLOPs, 184.8 GT/s
GTX 980: 4612 GFLOPS, 144 GT/s
AMD hardware is like a muscle car compared to nvidia. They can't even be compared. They're not even in the same ballpark.
If what you're doing is even remotely bottlenecked by the hardware (e.g. raw computational capacity of the GPU, raw texture fetching speed, etc.), then AMD cards will wipe the floor with nvidia many times over.
Nvidia is only good if you're into playing AAA games. If you actually use your GPU for work, computation, or with high quality programs that are written to use the hardware optimally (e.g. mpv's rendering algorithms) then AMD hardware will win many times over.
AMD BTFO!
S U I C I D E W A T C H
>>54601268
1080p is the only real gaming resolution you fucking retarded amddrone
>>>/reddit/ (implication for you to fucking leave kid)
>people just ignoring the super boiling temperature it runs at
I'm sorry but what the fuck? The reference design is clearly fucking terrible.
>>54601292
>playing on the same resolution as a console
>using console resolution to compare PC hardware
Hilarious.
At least people on reddit manage to be less retarded than you.
>>54600816
>It's $600,
Will be in 2 months or three. Until then you only have Founders Edition, which is $700 and comes with a shit cooler.
And again, they have a year on the Fury and a huge jump in node size, and all they get is 10% better? You've got to be a retard if you think this is all right.
>>54601268
>1080p
The 390x was 1% better than the 980 at 1440p whereas the 980 stomps it at 1080p and lower. Overall the 980 is better, neither card is a 4k card. The image that was provided shows the 980 literally neck and neck with Fury cards, nevermind the 390x.
see >>54601273
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXhHivCLBwc - 980 stomps the Fury X in certain games and ties with it in most other ones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9WS-CCcorg - 980 absolutely obliterates the 390x
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDxTcvZ4T2k - 980 OCd stomping a Fury X OCd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8zo9tYcQn8 - 980 OCd stomping a Fury X OCd
Nevermind the 980ti or the god tier 1080 anon, the Fury X can barely beat a 980. It's literally embarrassing
>>54601292
>what is 1440p
Holy shit, tell me you're baiting
>>54601292
>>54601319
>>54601320
>>54601322
>>54601273
>>54601234
>>54601248
>gaming this
>gaming that
>game
>game
>GAME
I want >>>/v/ to leave.
>>54601322
Why would anyone buy a card that doesn't have very good DX12 support?
do any of you actually play on 4k
is sub 30fps fun
>>54601392
I play KSP, LoL, Besiege, WoW, TTP, The Witness etc. just fine at 4K
>playing AAA garbage
>>54601320
>they have a year on the Fury and a huge jump in node size
Let's not forget the Fiji is just a hurried proof-of-concept for a larger chip with HBM, it's literally two Tonga chips spliced together with a different memory controller. It has the same ammount of ROPs as Hawaii (64, which is a significant bottleneck in Fiji).
If they barely beat poorly designed competition, they stand no chance againt proper competition (which hopefully Vega will be).
I have 9800 GT should I wait for 1060 so I can play witcher 3 ,ds3 on 1080p on ultra?
Is it a good idea?
>>54601360
Graphics cards are technology, even if used for gaming, fucking retard.
Leave yourself. If you want a board only for programming monkeys and freetards, go beg moot's replacement for a /prog/ or /foss/ board.
>>54601385
Call me when DX12 works even on AMDshit
>>54601417
Wrong.
They could've done a twice as powerful card for $400.
But, why would they do that? They only need to undercut Fiji by 10%. Then once Vega is out, they can undercut that by 10% with a 1080Ti. Or, just release a new Titan for $2000.
Vega needs to fuck Nvidia in the ass or else we'll get this same 10% increment every year for $500 like we have ont he CPU market.
>>54601450
>10fps worse on AMD
>no performance difference on NVidia
>DX12 literally works better on NVidia
WHAT THE FUCK AMDBROS?! DX12 WAS OUR THING, NOW NVIDIA ARE TAKING THAT AWAY FROM US?!
>>54597920
when are we getting 1070 benchmarks?
>>54601473
>>54601450
It's a gamewerx title. Literally designed to run gimped on non-NVidia hardware.
Keep up the good fight guys, your company is proud of you.
>>54601450
>>54601473
Relax, idiot.
"DX12" in Tomb Raider is essentially a shitty port with a dx12 wrapper. You really think Nvidia® would let a Gaemwerks© title run better on AMD?
>>54601488
>only real dx12 title
>g-g-g-gameworks
fuck off amdshill
Is there a UK price/estimate?
My 980 is a shit, and I am tempted to get a 1080 if it's priced reasonably.
>>54601450
The DX12 in tomb raider isn't true DX12 it's just a wrapper layer, doesn't even have a-sync
>>54601488
>gimped on non Nvidia hardware
So, most games? Sucks being the underdog I guess
>>54600680
gaming at 1080p. Nvidia pay more for average.
>>54601509
>"DX12" in Tomb Raider is essentially a shitty port with a dx12 wrapper
Nice source, let me guess. Hitman Sapienza's DX12 was also gimped despite being an AMD sponsored game?
![xmetro-last-light-4k.png.pagespeed.ic.0XvCcaxb0w[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xhXB9g3.jpg "xmetro-last-light-4k.png.pagespeed.ic.0XvCcaxb0w[1].jpg")
N-new king? Ugh...
>>54601591
>>54601509
>tfw AMD sponsored games run even WORSE on AMD
AMD can't even """""""""""gimp""""""""" properly
>>54601600
where the fuck did this come from
>>54601600
i dead.
![xrise-tomb-raider-4k.png.pagespeed.ic.graZk99EGm[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qVRH0jb.jpg "xrise-tomb-raider-4k.png.pagespeed.ic.graZk99EGm[1].jpg")
Non-shill review.
>>54601600
That fucking card is fucking incredible. Invariably at the top of the charts.
![xdirt-rally-4k.png.pagespeed.ic.DHg1ge_rIu[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SFWGgxr.jpg "xdirt-rally-4k.png.pagespeed.ic.DHg1ge_rIu[1].jpg")
>>54601608
Based kitguru.
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/nvidia-gtx-1080-graphics-card-review/
>>54601600
>>54601614
>non shill
>i.e a website that proves my point
The 295 is a fucking SLI card
>>54601614
5fps more than a 980ti
this is worse than when sony tried to sell the ps3 for 599
>>54601450
>DX12 slower than DX11
Microsoft in charge of APIs
>>54601625
Nah. Its barely faster than OC 980TI while cost much more.
>>54601608
Some literal who website at the far reaches of the web. IT happens every time, 90% of benches have AMD being BTFO which force AMDcucks to scavange far and wide for some outliers
>>54601638
>The 295 is a fucking SLI card
Are you retarded anon?
![x3dmark1.png.pagespeed.ic.ilW-zH_NMk[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/sNRQUul.jpg "x3dmark1.png.pagespeed.ic.ilW-zH_NMk[1].jpg")
Its faster but not much. Not worth it.
>>54601638
>295
>sli
ugh.
![xGTA5-4k.png.pagespeed.ic.bIFYFgIaIY[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/YFXEH80.jpg "xGTA5-4k.png.pagespeed.ic.bIFYFgIaIY[1].jpg")
Look at this shit. 7 FPS ahead of 980TI (540$) vs 700$. Meh.
>>54601691
Are you retarded? That's essentially what it is, 2 290x chips.
>>54601684
>he forgot all the reviewers that got flown out to Nvidia HQ, given a free $700 (binned) graphics card, treated to steak dinner on the house, and more than likely slipped a few hundo
Not even memeing, this ACTUALLY happened. Check some reviewer vlogs from a week or two ago
>>54601732
so amd uses sli now? and i assume nvidia uses crossfire, right?
Why no one is reviewing the 1080 with Quantum Break?
>>54601728
>>54601614
>Fury X
>4~ fps on average faster than the 980 at fucking 4k
>$550-600 vs $400
>980 can OC significantly better than the Fury X
Literally what happened, AMDbros?
>>54601744
You forgot
>flown out, first class*, to Nvidia hq
>>54601763
because no one cares about that shit
>>54601758
Ah shit, that's what you guys were giving me (You)'s for. My bad.
The r9 295 is a beast, especially the one from powercolor. Just look at it. Look at those 8-pin connectors. The fucking thing looks like an autobot. You want to set Nvidia on fire, here's the card for it.
>>54601764
Both of those games are nvidia optimized
>>54600418
>by the time nvidia gets their kids to buy their cards, amds answer to the high end will be out.
Which will be what?
I certainly hope you aren't talking about Vega since that will be competing with the 1080ti
>>54601778
Yep, everybody cares about no-tit raider and Dirt
>>54597999
So what? The reality is nvidia buys off devs. So if I want to play games with ok frames I need to buy nvidia.
Does this mean they are not a bunch of cunts? Obviously not, but I'll buy whatever gives me performance in the games I want to play.
>>54600418
who would anyone get cards from "Always Massive Disappointment" ?
When Nvidia is "the company" among gamers. Most games are sponsored by Nvidia too.
>by the time nvidia gets their kids to buy their cards, amds answer to the high end will be out
by the time Nvidias high end cards are out and been bought by large share of market AMD will put high end out only to be topped up by Nvidia again as always.
Whenever an AMDrone starts ranting about dx12 and how it will be terrible for Nvidia and fantastic for AMD.
Show them this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqK4xGimR7A [Embed]
tl;dr
Performance gains on DX12 are marginal on both sides
>>54601763
GPUs have been able to play movies for years now.
>>54601000
So Polaris is supposed to be mid range.
And AMD have 0 powerhouse cards.
Why would anyone with a good budget buy one?
>>54601000
Chek'd and the 980 is a mid range card
>>54601031
>Cards that came out almost a year later beat old cards
Holy shit, give this man a medal.
>>54601799
What about >>54601606
>>54601876
>980
>mid range
Maybe in a few years anon, but right now it's very much a high end card. The 970/390s are arguably high end cards
>>54601876
wew
>>54601276
There's a reason muscle cars are the joke of the auto industry.
>>54601927
Americans won't understand this
>>54601858
If by good budget you mean $699.99 for the gpu alone, then go ahead, get yourself the founder's edition. But if by good budget you mean 499.99, get the 980ti.
If your budget is $200 and chump change, get the r9 380x.
>>54601950
>my Alfa handles really well, but my ex just got gangbanged by mudslime fugees: the post
>>54602016
It's okay burger, I'm sure you guys are good at other things, leave cars to us though
>>54598435
Are you retarded?
>>54601633
More like shillguru
>Worried about 1080 beating me
>Dig desperately for a website to support ayymd
>Find some shitsite that shills to my penis
All is well.
>>54601927
The only muscle cars left in the market are from Chrysler, aka Fiat. Camaro and mustang were never muscle cars either, they're pony cars (GT cars)
>>54597920
>ITT nerds fighting over which shitty company to give money to.
>>54602135
Hey, you gotta have a hobby right
>>54601971
Is the new lunaris10 or solaris9 or whatever AMDrons call it,gonna be upgrade compared to my GTX560?
>>54602155
No, just cheaper
>>54602143
I guess so.
Mine is masturbation.
If there were threads here comparing Jergens to KY, I'd probably argue too.
This launch of cards looks like it's in a weird state. I mean, there's hype that we can finally get rid of 28nm, but the current speculated cards just don't make sense to me if I have a 970/390 or above. 1080p is fine with these cards, so upgrading is retarded unless I get a new higher resolution monitor, but even then, I think it's a stupid buy. The 1080, like last generation, looks like a retarded buy when the 1070 brings similar performance for a much lower price point. The problem is that both of these cards don't do 1440 at 120Hz or get to the UHD 60Hz sweet spot. Polaris on the other hand is not a buy as well, since the 970/390 are pretty amazing cards for their price. If you have something shit like a 950 or 370, then yes, Polaris is probably the one you want to buy, but they really need to watch their pricing since the 1070 is at a spot of almost $400, beating every single GPU out there according to Nvidia. I don't know man, I have a 970 and am definitely going to wait for Vega since it'll hopefully it will deliver 120Hz on 1440p. Maybe a freesync monitor that isn't shit will come out as well.
>>54602125
So did >>54601276
compare AMD cards to FIAT cars? That's a surprising accurate description.
>>54602155
An r9 380 is a budget upgrade compared to your fermi card. But you're clearly in the Nvidia camp, so save up more of your money and get the 980ti when it price drops during or the week before the 1080 releases.
>>54602155
Polaris 10? Yeah, it should be less power comsuming too. Though against a 560, not a real contest. Vega will be the powerhouse on AMD, but will take longer to come out.
>>54602189
Well I expected something like ''amd will be 4x faster' because it is 4 years old card lel
>>54602168
More or less, the longer 1080p remains the standard the less people will need newer GPUs
>>54602162
I was kidding btw, should be a nice upgrade to your 560 which is an old mid end card
>>54602212
well waiting 5. year sounds scary to me,especially if 1070deliver promised price.
>>54601858
"Hey guys I bought a 980Ti for 1080p, should I upgrade to a 1080?"
Why spend money you don't need to? If you're doing high end stuff (1440p or 4K) then a more powerful card make sense. But for 95% of people playing at 1080p and 80% of them looking to spend $200-300 then polaris is well situated.
>>54602224
Why would you still stay on 1080p though.
1440p monitors are pretty cheap and the 70% extra pixels is very noticable in games
>>54602224
Vega might see 4k60 if we see non reference ones.
Also the new titan or 1080ti
>>54602234
Does amd have special support if you get both amd processor and graphic?
Like set armor in rpg
Zen sure sounds interesting to me.[intel is 2expensive]
>>54601901
The hitman one there was DX11, under DX12 the 390 is as fast as a stock titan X/980ti
>>54602256
Initial zen releases will be 6 and 8 core cpu's so they will be expensive too
>>54602168
The FS2735 is breddy gud
>>54601697
>980Ti's clocked to 1800 under LN2 outperform 2100mhz 1080s
Top fucking kek
>>54602273
current intel is 4 core 8 threads?
>>54602256
The overclocking tools are all in one place for gpu and gpu. Other than that, there isn't much to . also waiting for zen
>>54601488
But it's ok when AMD sponsored titles run better on AMD hardware?
>>54602290
I7's are yes
I5's are quadcore without HT
>>54602220
>''amd will be 4x faster'
amd is never fast enough until they get their drivers up
it feels strange to have amd be releasing even beta drivers every month
>>54602122
>Worried about 1080 beating me
>Dig desperately for a website to support ayymd
I just wanted to show that 1080 barely faster than 980Ti. Dafuq does it have to do with amd?
>Find some shitsite that shills to my penis
What???
>>54602290
For current mainstream chipset, that's as far as Intel offers currently
>>54602297
It is not AAA tho
[it does have AAA business model tho hahaha]
would never support that shit.
>>54602304
Oh and there are 6 core i7's but they are crazy expensive
>>54602043
That's why the corvette z package is the performance king for the dollar, right?
>>54602328
>Inb4 gtr at willow springs screenshot
>>54601521
>only DX12 game where Nvidia performs better
>therefore it must be the only dx12 title
>>54602297
"Sponsored by AMD" means no gayworks/no gimping. Its shows raw performance from both teams.
>>54602275
>FS2735
That looks neat. Then again, Asus' MG monitor also looked good, but then it had a retarded freesync limit.
>>54602346
3-5 seconds for double the price topkek
>>54602355
Protip: Gameworks features can be turned off
>>54602297
What features are AMD specific? I didn't keep up with this game's development
>>54602370
Nope.
>>54602370
To turn off Nvidia tessellated godrays in FO4 you also have to turn off SSAO.
Not a fair compromise.
>>54602368
For the US, yes. In Europe, Z06 gets raped on import fees and emissions bullshit
>>54602297
Yeah, because it doesn't gimp both companies' performance to give AMD an advantage like gameworks has been shown to do.
Look at the hardware comparisons, AMD almost invariably has more powerful actual hardware, which is why AMD guys get so pissed about Nvidia gimping/ devs' shitty coding
>>54602393
So why even talk about euro cars vs US cars if that is the issue on both sides?
>>54602382
Supposedly AMD runs is better in DX12 on Hitman and other titles since it has a dedicated async scheduler, but so far it hasn't led to huge performance jumps, just slightly better fps unless the 980ti or 1080 are included
>>54602385
>>54602390
In Witcher 3 you can turn off Hairworks and other Gameworks features and the title runs just fine on all hardware with the latest drivers and patches and shit
>>54602390
That sounds like bullshit, I need source on this. Also it shouldn't be hard to create SSAO mod.
>>54602328
>performance king for the dollar,
Hey, you pay a premium for the best, that's always the case
>>54602402
>AMD almost invariably has more powerful actual hardware
Too bad their drivers can't harness it
This was their launch driver for Doom, and it took them 5 days to fix it with the new Crimson hotfix driver they released yesterday
Sooner or later AMD needs to get their shit together and stop blaming Nvidia for all their woes
So bros, now that we know the 1080 is a fucking beast, what are our predictions for the 1070? I reckon slightly faster than a 980 ti at 1080p but for half the price.
Guess it won't be until Vega or big pascal till we start to reach proper minimum 60hz for 4K
Atleast Polaris is close by and we'll see how 1070 performs against whatever AMD has in mind
>>54602431
Check out the Nexus support thread for a popular FO4 config tool I cant remember the name of
>>54602427
Hairworks is a part of gameworks. No one knows whats inside the black box called "gameworks", its closed source.
>>54602414
That's not "gimping", it benefits whoever supports that core API feature. "Gimping" reduces performance to another card brand, using a feature hard to/impossible to implement.
>>54602476
Nvidia published the source code for it months ago
>>54602452
They hotfixed it very fast. Based AMD.
>>54600831
it's a 2014 performance card that was released in late 2013 2-3years ago and is still here.
>>54602452
>anon doesn't know of the shady stuff about openGL 4.3 and 4.5
LITERAL HOUSEFIRES
>>54602495
Meanwhile Nvidia had a working driver on launch
>>54602501
I know of the situation, but what's shady about it?
>>54602452
>alpha and beta, both AMD and Nvidia running same version of opengl
>AMD reking Nvidia across the board
>final release, AMD cards forced onto an older version they're known for being poorly optimized on
>ID software has long history with Nvidia
But this is AMD's fault.
>>54602492
What the fuck are you smoking. They published code for a few features like "Hairworks".
>>54602515
And Physx and a bunch of other features
>>54602512
It was a bug in the game. And it only affected 390 cards. Other cards were fine. Hell even beta and alpha worked like a charm on all amd cards.
>>54601797
Fucking why
>>54602273
Intel's 8 cores cost a fucking grand. If AMD pushes Zen for half that (or even less) the cpu market is up for a shake-up. Even the 6 core Zen CPUs will force intel to rethink their pricing.
>>54601971
>$500 980ti
Where?
>>54602532
>GameWorks Libraries is divided into about 6 categories, out of which nearly all are proprietary. Let me define what i mean by proprietary first. The GameWorks library is basically a set of instructions or implemented behaviors. These can be anything, from lighting instructions to literal ingame VFX such as a lightning strike.If you are wondering why do libraries exist in the first place then its because Developers dont have to repeat the same effect (code-wise) multiple times in different games or even in the same games.
However thing about this particular library is that its code is closed. Developers cannot see the code at all, therefore they cannot modify it. Only Nvidia has the power to modify this particular set of code. Now though it will only be a slight inconvenience and a mild insult to developers, it can be a much serious threat for AMD.
>>54602545
AMD is going to price their new CPUs in competitive lockstep - if an 8 core Zen is 85% the performance of an 8 core Skylake, it will be 80-85% the price.
>>54601797
>"you want to set nvidia on fire?"
Both literally and figuratively.
>>54602545
I will call out AMD for their incompetence, but I really want them to succeed with Zen and Polaris because it only benefits the user
Zen needs to be competitive at a much lower price to reign in Intel's bullshit
>>54597920
DX12 is still too new, different devs use it differently. It'll be another few years until a "standard" of DX12 quality is evident.
Card seems nice though, I wish it was at least more than just 25% faster than a ti.
>>54602540
Because Powercolor is crazy.
>>54602558
On newegg there's an MSI 980ti for 534.99 right now. When the 1080 comes out or the week before, you have a small window where the price drops. That's if you're buying new.
>>54600379
he's right though.
>>54600459
Like 1% of games use Vulkan
This DOOM game just happened to be made by Zenimax which uses OpenGL like with Wolfenstein The New Order.
The VAST majority of games will still be DirectX whether 11 or 12.
And even then the big performance gains with Vulkan are only on Windows 10, Windows 7 gets the same performance as just regular DX11 so devs are going to switch.
>>54602599
Why do people continue to post this total bullshit picture?
Fucks sake look at the caches, it's ridiculous.
>>54602599
>that L2/L3 cache
>dat tdp
holy fuck.
Guess I goofed getting a 6700k. For multithreaded processing at least. This is good though, gives me some incentive to save more money. Will probably upgrade in 2018 anyway.
>>54597920
>0x0
>>54602512
iD and nvidia have a very close relation, fostered by carmack's decision.
>>54600715
AMD has actually put out good drivers for almost a year now, you guys are just meme-ing retards who don't notice because you're waiting for Nvidia to release a "safe" WHQL Game Ready that won't corrupt your display and crash your system.
>>54602659
It isn't if it has an APU, which it does.
>>54597920
Can't wait for the fury x price drop to 349
>>54602670
You're waiting that long, wait for Zen+.
>>54602694
Pffffft
>2016
>AMD still using high base, low multiplier clock generator
I can go further. That CPU-z is total bullshit.
>>54600593
>being this retarded
valve will not bother 1 minute with dx12 and go purely with vulkan, for obvious reasons
neither will croteam, but that's not nearly as important
id tech and unreal 4 will both support everything, as they have in the past, and a metric shitload of games license those
and all this is confirmed, anything else is speculation.
there will be a tight competition and I suspect neither will kill the other
>>54602794
What will the slavs use? This is important.
>>54598034
wow dude, 4 whole frames!!!!!!!
The amound of BUTTHURT from AMDrones in these threads is astonishing! I can almost imagine it, how AMDrones are sitting infront of their tiny 720p Thinkpad screens, looking angrily at the posted benchmarks. Their sweaty cheeto stained hands typing away the fury that has build up inside them, over the disappointment that AMD is.
>>54602813
no idea what CDPR will go with. my guess is DX12 since they've a ton of experience with DX in general but they do have a reputation as an ethical company.
I don't know what other slavs you could be talking about. GSC (or at least stalker) is dead.
japs are a wildcard. they don't give a shit about their users so it will either be DX because they're only barely starting not to suck at porting to PC or Vulkan because Nintendo (confirmed) and Sony (unconfirmed) will support it.
other countries just release shitty unity greenlight games as far as I know.
>>54602898
sometimes I wish I could be paid to be retarded on the internet
>>54602898
Here is your response.
Have a nice day.
>>54601800
1080ti is only 20% faster by leaks, and titan on this is 40% faster... given history it seems like that will be true.
we will know roughly what to expect when we see some polaris running uncapped, but the hitman demo puts it in the realm of 390x+ at least on 12
>>54601821
yea, largely its a push pull, or have you forgotten that? fury got fucked by it suppose to be on 20nm, but that process never came so they went back to 28, it literally slit that cards throat, and even then it could compete before oc.
fury wasnt even a dissapointment, but when nvidia whats to sacrifice its 1000$ card line just to stomp amd, you can see they are able to do it.
that said, will the next titan be more powerful then vega? there is the interesting question. with more games being dx12 coming out, amd is going to look real fucking good... oh, one more thing, how long was the 7970 good for? anyone who bought that was pleasantly surprised how much they are getting out of it.
>>54600831
and still running fairly strong... again, pleasantly surprised once aftermarket and the lite coin shit ended.
>>54602651
here is the thing, vulkan has not one game that is out yet, just some ports, and at best doom will be the first one that may have been made in it, but it also may be a port considering its coming later, but lets ask this, will a dev use dx12 and cut off every other platform besides windows, or will they use vulcan and be able to port from pc to console or from ps4 and nintendo to pc even tablets, and linux and macs?
there will be a fuck load of hold over on win 7 too, you want to re do the game for dx11 and dx12 or just do it once in vulcan?
How long until a 1050/1060 is out, any leaks on that? I was going to get a 950 soon because I don't care about playing games on medium settings, but if the gimping meme is true (from what I hear it's not intentional, Nvidia just doesn't update their drivers for older cards as well so new games don't perform as well as they should, but it's not like the performance of the card is actually reduced, especially for not new games) I figure I can get by waiting a month or two to not get a generation old card.
>>54598034
what nvidia is doing good on async compute?
what nvidia dont regress anymore?
what is that the sheer computing power of nvidia that i hear chocking after 1440p?
what is that regression i see yet again on dx12 from nvidia?
what is nvidia basicly brute forcing through async using high clocks?
thats why on aots 1080 reached 84c?
http://www.computerbase.de/2016-05/geforce-gtx-1080-test/11/#abschnitt_pascal_profitiert_tatsaechlich_von_async_compute
we are not idiots we know damn well that nvidia never tells the truth...
just like the whole 25% faster that if you remove gameworks tittles the card is roughly 13% faster and if you introduce dx12 results the card goes down to 9%...
also no one talks about the damn high temps literally fermi v2.0 people bought a 700 card because it had"better cooling" and the card rivals fukushima
>>54602920
>>54602923
Speaking of butthurt.
>>54603090
>>54603085
cant wait till polaris gets shown, not even thinking it will beat nvidia, but i want to see what is likely my next card.
>>54603154
i dont expect polaris to even reach 1080 on dx11 games
but man im pretty sure they gonna destroy it on dx12 lol
>>54603154
>Tfw fury x
>Tfw not even worried about upgrading. Comfy af at 1440p
>Tfw waiting on Zen
KELLER PLS I'LL TEST IT FOR FREE JUST GIB ME YOUR ASTRAL PEEN
(But seriously, Zen hype is killing me. I'm ready to upgrade.)
>>54602968
>will a dev use dx12 and cut off every other platform besides windows
yes, many of them will. as they've always done. for most multiplat devs, windows is an afterthought, a second class citizen. what the fuck do they care about linux/os x/android/pre-10 windows/etc? they're going to use DX12 because they were using DX11, and so on.
Vulkan's trump card is that both Sony and Nintendo are part of Khronos. as far as adoption goes, it is plausible that Vulkan will win out purely by killing fragmentation. but in the end, Windows will still have the largest game library by far. because Microsoft can pull titles out of its ass and not give them to anybody else.
however, as I've said earlier, both Vulkan and DX12 have completely guaranteed futures and aren't going anywhere. they both have multiple huge players directly supporting them. this isn't a VHS vs Betamax scenario.
>>54603090
no ur mad
xd I won
>>54603207
yeah zen is getting my dick hard.
I honestly don't even give a shit about Intel tier IPC. I just want AM4 and zen's SoC like design. no more motherboard jewing. fucking finally.
>>54603230
>no ur mad
>xd I won
Can't get mader than this!
>>54603230
with khronos behind vulkan?
its like saying jesus will come tomorrow
or japan will stop killing whales
or jhh will stop wearing that fucking leather jacket
>>54603257
Get ready for disappointment, zen is going to be shit.
>>54603260
>he literally wrote a reply to my post
>he's writing words at me
why are you so mad lmao
>>54603263
do you actually know what khronos is?
>>54603280
got some more predictions for us nostradamus
