>12GB is the ideal amount of RAM in 2016
prove me wrong
>not a power of 2
REEEEEEEEEE
Not a power of 2.
This triggers me.
>mfw it's true
>>54596249
>>54596254
not an argument
>mixing DIMM density
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Seriously get 16GB and stop being retarded, 2x8GB is cheap and getting a 4GB + 8GB is just asking for instability.
>>54596226
>"Ideal" specs in one of the most varied fields around
>Implying everyone needs or will use more than 8 unless they're doing rendering or heavy gaymen or some other autistic shit
>Doesn't know what "ideal" means
>>54596282
I never had any problems with it.
>>54596269
your argument that my argument is not an argument is not an argument
>>54596269
Yes it is. Mathematical purity activates the Feng Shui of the computer, making it faster and more reliable.
>>54596226
I have 32 GB of RAM on my dev box and I feel claustrophobic when a neural network program starts to take up more than 12 GB.
>>54596292
>anecdotes
Wew
Even if it did fuckup, your stupid ass would just restart your PC and assume it was a one off time fluke, and not a sign of mismatched RAM.
>>54596282
asymetrical RAM has been a thing for a while now:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/251588-30-must-symmetrical-3gigs-2x1gig-2x512mb
>>54596282
>tfw he fell for the 16GiB of RAM meme
I've had 12 since 2012. You fools laughed at me then. But 8 is destitute these days
>>54596370
Of course it has been, no one is saying it wont physically work, the argument is it is worse than matched density.
You're far more likely to have an error occur with mismatched density than you are with properly matched DIMMs.
>>54596385
32GB, but i'm also doing actual work on my computer and can use that much RAM.
>>54596327
>>54596367
>>54596401
>literal superstition
>mfw i'm perfectly fine with 4
>>54596427
Yeah just like how ECC RAM does nothing what-so-ever for servers, yet they still keep buying it.
>>54596401
why? You've not actually outlined why you are.
>>54596226
>not having 64GB so that you can shitpost in ultimate speed and comfort
wew lad
>>54596226
I miss my i7 920 triple channel 24gb memebox.
>>54596549
Considering the number of computers i've had bluescreen just from mixing different companies DIMMs, even matching specced DIMMs that both work 100% with no errors when used separately but bluescreen every system when used together... I can assure you, it might work, but it might not. and if it DOES work, you're far more likely to have instability issues later on.
Look at any production server or workstation, are they mixing DIMMs? Fuck no, they're buying matched sets. While it wont matter as much for a home user if a bit is flipped, it DOES matter for production equipment.
The average person is USUALLY fine mixing DIMMs, but it's still never going to be as stable as a matched pair.
>>54596587
>64GB of RAM
>still has pagefile enabled
wew lad
>>54596587
If it weren't for vidya gaems I could fit my whole hard drive into RAM.
>>54596226
> 4 modules
> my system goes slower since I'm mixing sizes of memory meme
>>54596625
You've not answered my question, and took 200 words to do so. Good job.
>>54596820
Because there is no ONE answer, it can be any number of reasons, it can cause BSODs on some motherboard but not others, it can cause instability in some motherboards but not others, it can sometimes work perfectly fine with no issues. The problems can be any and everything stemmed from the simple fact they aren't matched. Hell you can have these issues with unmatched RAM of the same exact size, it doesn't matter. This is why you buy RAM in kits and not piecemeal.
The right amount is "maximum".
The only valid answer.
>>54596656
you need a page file with a couple hundred MB in case of creating a kernel-dump during a BSOD.
but I don't know if WinBotnet supports that these days. probably not.
>>54596427
>not understanding how chinese arts affect computers
theres a reason weebs wonder this board my friend
>>54596226
>>54596438
>My small brain doesn't understand the product of successful marketing
Just how everyone pays over $100 for ray bans when they cost a handful of coins to manufacture because luxittica brainwashes everyone
RAM is the new hard disk.
>>54596226
fucking poor cucks
>>54599581
Good job faggot
>tfw you fell for the 16 GiB RAM meme
buy 2x4GB now
wait for it. . .
buy extra 2x4 later when you actually need it.
>>54596226
If triple channel, yes.
Dual, 8 or 16
Quad, 16+
>>54602133
>4GB modules
It's 2016.
32gb+ or bust
>>54602133
If you do that then any single application is limited to 8GB. 4x4GB in dual channel mode is not as good as 2x8GB. If it were a quad channel board then sure. But it's not so 2x8GB makes more sense.
>>54596438
If you need 15 yrs of uptime and are using your system in a space station you bet your ass it does something.
tfw 8gb is more ram than i have ever needed
it's a good feel, to be sure
>>54596226
12 GB here. Different timings, latency and voltage and brand.
works perfectly.
>>54596226
triple channel RAM?
I have 3 sticks of 4gb all the same
>>54602215
I doubt it, if you're on windows your OS dynamically uses more RAM if it's available, but will gimp itself from using too much RAM if you have only a small amount installed.
That doesn't mean it couldnt very well use a lot more RAM if you had it, just means you're caching things a lot.
>ideal
What's ideal?
Ram is cheap.
Just get more.
32-64gb and whatever RAM you don't use can be used as a ramdisk
>>54602215
If you're a NEET sure.
I work with multiple IDE's, VM's, ... I need my 32GB
>>54596249
>>54596254
>he doesn't have 2^3.585 gigs of RAM
>>54596226
My itx board only has two slots.
My two slots on my itx board are holding two ram sticks.
My two ram sticks inside my two slots on my itx board are each ddr4 8gb.
24GB in triple-channel!
>>54604075
That's what I have, though it's only temporary, normally it's 32GB in quad channel.
>>54602311
> he doesn't have two 970's
>>54596226
64GB is not enough for me sometimes. 12GB would be a pain in the ass
>not having 70.78GB
How do I lower my memory pressure??
12 is only for Christofags
>>54597178
>couple hundred MB
>has 10 GB of pagefile
>>54604596
WHAT THE FUCK?
>>54596226
Proven wrong.
I'm honestly surprised I'm only using 13GB.
>>54604655
lunix is good with its caching
>>54596282
WHAT DO YOU DO TO NEED 16GB OF RAM? I got 8gb and even when running multiple heavy programs including virtualbox I rarely peak over 7gb unless I'm using Adobe Premiere. WHY DO YOU NEED MORE THEN 12GB?
I'm not buying any more RAM until Optane is released. The lines between storage and memory will be blurred...
>>54604687
I can barely get by with 8GB, that's why I put 16GB in my T420. It gives me breathing room for basic stuff. I have 32GB in my desktop though so even 16 feels tight when you get used to 32.
>>54604687
Your system is just caching things more so you dont use more RAM, that doesn't mean you COULDN'T be using more RAM. Just your OS is making sure you dont hit your limit.
I have 32GB in my desktop and 16GB on my T420 laptop.
>>54604655
DUDE OBSCURE OPERATING SYSTEMS LMAO
>>54604779
>not answering the question
What do you do to use 8gb+ of ram.
>>54604826
Ubuntu is obscure?
Are you new here?
>>54604819
Are you me?
>>54604826
It's not obscure, just stable.
>>54604827
I wasn't the anon you were replying to originally. Chrome is the biggest offender of RAM usage. VM's come second.
>tfw only 8GB
Really would like to make an upgrade but at this point I'm just going to start from scratch -- everything is pretty old in what was a mid budget laptop.
>>54604856
>Are you me?
I hope not because that means I have some major undiagnoised multiple personality shit going on...
Sounds like you got your shit together though.
>>54604549
Install a real operating system
>>54604895
I have one though.
>>54596226
You clearly do not know what RAMdisks are.
I will never again build a system without the max memory allowed. I will jew up on the PSU if necessary.
>>54604892
At least we get along, some of the personalities here don't get along as well. /g/ is all on person after all.
fight me
>>54604978
>1333MHz
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>>54604687
Not him but I autistically play minecraft with a ton of mods while streaming music from a browser, and sometimes I hit the limit. I should go for a good 16GB, because now it's cheaper compared even with two years ago (I got 8 Gb for 80€, I was tricked, but even on the same place they are lower price, and now I'd buy it on an actually good place).
>>54604978
>10GB
>other
>1333
>>54596249
triple channel, baby
![1455184649109[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ozDOR2o.jpg "1455184649109[2].jpg")
>>54596226
I've been thinking about going up to 24 so I can mess about with VM's on my desktop.
1333mhz DDR3 is pretty cheap right now. I can get another 12gb for about $30.
>>54596282
6 x 2 = 12
dumb non-frog poster
I am using 12 and it probably makes my game crash, I can barely run shogun 2 on my r9 290
im having a ram issue... earlier i enabled XMP in bios and also tried setting frequency from auto to 1600. however in Task manager it shows correctly as 1600 but speccy and CPU-Z shows 666.5 or 1333mhz. Also the bios has a built in real time frequency measure showing 1333-1388mhz
XTU is on profile 1 with 9-9-9-24 timings and a 16 multiplier. i am expecting 800mhz or so from speccy. what went wrong
i7-4770k
8gb DDR3 Corsair Vengance 1600mhz(XMP 1.3 if that matters) LP
GIGABYTE Z87-D3HP
Transcend 128gb SSD
WD 1tb HDD
am i doing somthing wrong?
>>54605430
You realize 6GB kits don't exist...right?
You have to do 2x4GB and 2x2GB or an 8GB and a 4GB. But either way you're mixing DIMM density.
>tfw only bought 2x4gb
Did i fall for the "16gb is a meme" meme?
>>54605529
If you bought it in 2015 or 2016 you sure did, especially if it was the latter half of 2015 because RAM prices have been dropping steadily for months.
>>54605529
only if you bought recently. i "fell" for the 8gb is a meme issue in 2007. but lo and behold it was glorious never upgrading my ddr2 ram. now i have 8gb for 3 years but might get 16
>>54605468
you fucked up enabling XMP in bios I got mine at 1600Mhz at cas latency of 7 reset your RAM nowadays there's a switch to easily do it on the mobo
>>54605469
Six sticks of 2gb, einstein.
>like $20 more dollars to get 16GBs of ram vs 8GB
shit guys thats nothing and it looks less pitiful than 8gb
>>54596226
i have 48GB, so what?
>>54596226
Are you still using 1366?
>>54605615
Oh so only something an outdated platform will be able to use.
Just shut the fuck up.
WTF, 32GB? unless your running a kickass server that handles a hell of a lot of users why 32gb in a home system. I don't get it. I'm perfectly happy with my 4GB in my desktop. Hell my laptop that i use for video encoding only has 2GB and it handles that task fine. Granted it takes awhile but then that's why I use the laptop - it does it's thing while I do something else.
>>54604687
I usually have several instances open, more than one program and several brwoser tabs.
That easily can cause me to hit the 50% point.
Htting the 50% point is annoying as windows will start to use the virtual cache of the HDD and if your system has to wait for the HDD to buffer shit that is supposed to go into the RAM working is shit.
Also you will get trouble with project sizes in Adobe.
For example my sister made a .gif for a project and when she wanted to complete it adobe started the task, but aborted it midway with an error message of having not enough RAM to complete the work.
Only once I upgraded her system to 16GB she could finish the project.
![121025_HP_Z820_Interior_A[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GRofDws.jpg "121025_HP_Z820_Interior_A[1].jpg")
>>54605664
Workstations and servers from 2009 through 2013 can use that and most of them are still beasts.
>>54605740
Your OS is dynamically caching things so you dont use more RAM, trust me, no modern computer is happy with 4GB of RAM.
>>54605750
Servers and workstations should be using more than 12GB of RAM, and 6x2GB would be retarded low density anyway.
3x4GB would make far more sense if that's what you're doing, but even then i'd argue just go for 3x8GB because the price difference is minimal.
21 gb master race
>>54605744
>Adobe anything
Fucking BLOAT
>>54605768
2gb sticks are cheaper and if you got 12 slots, why not? A lot of the people with these machines are building on a budget and got them from ebay for a few hundred dollars. 24gb is a pretty good amount for anybody.
>>54605869
>and if you got 12 slots, why not?
>he doesn't understand how RAM works
oh anon...
With dual channel memory you have 4 RAM slots available. If you populate two of them with 2x8GB DIMMs, your system has 16GB of RAM and 64 bit applications can access all 16GB of RAM.
If you populate all 4 DIMMs with RAM you have 4x8GB for 32GB of RAM, but because you are using all 4 DIMMs, your system can only access 16GB per application. Obviously with 8GB DIMMs this isn't an issue.
Where it becomes an issue is your theoretical 6x2GB.
In this scenario you only have 6GB available to use for a single application and anyone using a workstation or server can likely do some rendering or encoding, or photoshop or something else that will use more than 6GB of RAM at a time.
Always go for higher density.
>>54604400
Ayyyyyy I also have 2 L5520s
>>54596282
3x4GB triple channel, retard.
>>54606260
As was already discussed down here, you're on an outdated platform or you could be running quad channel and are choosing to run triple channel.
>>54605430
>>54605469
>>54605615
>>54605664
>>54605750
>>54605869
>>54605939
>>54596327
too much logic to argue against
>>54596226
12GB was only the sweet spot with triple channel mom on 1366.
loonix fagbook machine
>2gb
windows fagbook machine
>4gb
my shitty hp prebuilt came with that
>6gb
no risk
>8gb
you one 0.0000000000000000000001 picosecond to explain why you need this
16gb+
I got a friend who bought a i7 3770k and 32gb in 2012 but he barely do anything to justify the need to one own.
>tfw 16 GB for $50
Why would you voluntarily get mismatch ram?
>>54606490
Because 16GB is a meme anon, you wouldn't WILLINGLY fall for a meme, would you?
>>54601937
Jokes on you, I'm getting 32 GB pc
You forgot that the RAM needs to be clocked to at least 3000MHz to handle 2016 internet browsing.
up your game ramtards, 16gb are basically granny boxes.
>12gb
casual shit.
I have been running this pc with 32gb of ram since 2012. Want to know why? Because ram is fucking cheap, that's why. Also, my production software is very resource intensive.
>>54607377
You don't know what ram even does, do you?
>>54596226
I regularly max out my 32GiB system. 12 is nothing.
>>54607471
What are you doing on it if you can max out 32gb?
>>54607509
A/V processing and not being a poorfag
>>54607377
>1TB of RAM
How much did you pay for that?
>>54605251
If you need modded minecraft you definitely need 16GB, playing with 8 is a nightmare. You can't do anything else and it'll still hit the limit with certain modpacks.
>>54596226
>[F12] (01234 + 0xfac*true)/2-0504
>Caring about RAM that is already cheap, large, and abundant
CPUs should be the thing you care about
Is this why people have more than 8GB of RAM? Do they want to feel rich without any real benefits?
>>54604939
loli shinobu is cutest shinobu
>>54607537
Wouldn't you care more about vram?
>>54605781
Well than how about the PC I build for one of my customers.
He works with the octane engine renderer and directly went for 128GB DDR4.
>>54602311
That should be 2^(3.5849625006) you troglodyte
>>54607668
Do you have any idea how a/v encoding works at all?
>>54605939
>If you populate all 4 DIMMs with RAM you have 4x8GB for 32GB of RAM, but because you are using all 4 DIMMs, your system can only access 16GB per application.
[citation needed]
Looked for anything related to this and found nothing definitively like you have described.
Additionally any good rendering application will be multi-threaded and able to work across multiple CPUs, which are common in workstation/server machines.
