https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNE_P-g_-Ts
>>54585332
AMD is batter, too much cool and beytar
>>54585332
gtx970 - 70-130 fps
gtx1080 - 70-200fps
Video games? maybe my wife's son likes them
>amd driver is broken during first week of release
Again surprising no one, amd fans included
The thing is though that gaming isn't just a service; after updates the card will perform properly, and after the vulkan update it will BTFO of even the 980ti
What's there to defend? There shouldn't be that big of a difference between these two cards. Is iD using gamewerks or did they fuck this up some other way?
Honest question though: why do GPUfags get so attached to whatever card they bought? AMD and Nvidia are both fine. Competition is a good thing.
>>54585390
It must be hard being a deluded AMDrone.
>>337838490 (OP)
>doom beta runs perfectly on amd cards
>nvidia gets their hands on the game
>released version now runs like shit
hmmm
>>54585472
>the only thing that matters is release day drivers
How many other games are broken on amd? They'll release a driver. They always do. We know thats the compromise with getting the cheaper card.
It's because GCN 1.1 (hawaii) doesn't support 4.5 completely (2 addons that don't work) and GCN 1.1 doesn't work well with openGL. GCN 1.2 (285, 380, fury) work fine.
>>54585428
Its a good thing
>>54585428
GCN.1.1 doesnt support openGL 4.5 fully, so it runs doom on shittier version 4.3. Other cards are doing fine.
>>54585621
this. there is no use in defending rebrands ITT
And i'm a R9 380 4gb SOC user
also the tessaltion only works on meduim and high everything above that and its unstable.
next gen should have better support because not alot of rebrands.
>>54585621
this
note how 380 outperforms a 280x and the huge gap between fury and 390x
>>54585608
>amd relases new drivers 2018
>now they lock your fanspeeds again and OC your card to give you a better performance
>>54585428
>Competition is a good thing.
>Half the frame rate is competition
does kids really enjoy these kind of games with glorified piñatas?
also >>>/v/
>>54585332
>OpenGL 4.3 vs 4.5
Reasons? Developers are mum about it.
There is a 99.999999% chance iD is not actually using OpenGL but rather NVAPI pathway. They most likely programmed the game in NVAPI and had all the optimization for nvidia as their first choice. iD and nvidia have a history, afterall. The beta was running 4.5 for AMD, so what changed? Most likely nvidia specific addons that does not work for AMD, so the game went to fallback mode.
Pure speculation, but since there is no word from the devs, I'll take this as close to truth over silence.
>>54585390
>amd driver is broken while the game is relevant.
Sounds right. Most people will be done with doom in a week.
>>54585332
>Performance increase by up to 35% on AMD Radeon R9 390 series products in Doom™ versus Radeon Software Crimson Edition 16.5.2
http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/pages/amd-radeon-software-crimson-edition-16.5.2.1-release-notes.aspx
nvidiots can go to bed now
AMD = linux
NVIDIA = windows
just works™
>>54586406
>amd working on linux
LOL
>>54586345
up to 35%? does that mean the moon phase has to be just right during a leap year?
>>54585332
Back to your cancer board
>>54585773
>drivers that oc card
what the fuck is wrong with you, go to /v/ if you wanna shitpost
>>54585772
and i thought i was slow making the jump to 1440p
>>54585332
Funny how during the alpha it was beating the shit out of Nvidia and at time of release it suddenly runs worse.
>>54586670
That's JewWorks for you!
>>54586670
DOOM ALPHA
>>54585332
>Superior hardware
>Runs worse
I smell anti-competitive business practices
>>54586670
it's actually sad because OP with his peanut brain couldn't remember this fact and this will work on 99% nvidia users because what matters is now, not next week
>>54586699
And then final release. There's some serious Nvidia fuckery going on here.
>>54586126
who gives a fuck, the multiplayer is shit and im not buying it until i can get it for <$30
>>54586699
what a coincidence, the numbers on amd hardware compared to nvidia was probably too emberassing to unlock the framerate now
nvidia's usually done better with opengl games
any vulkan benches yet?
>>54586791
it's one of the games i'd be happy to pirate for to protest this cancer specific vendor developing
>>54586817
Just because it works better for one vendor over the other doesnt mean it was intentional, so i see no benefit over not giving the devs their share. Instead of these reviewers irresponsibly putting out reviews they know will outlast any problems is scummy. I will also never understand why people care if a game will take a week to run a bit better. If the game is going to be dead after a week its going to be shit anyway.
>>54585332
https://youtu.be/oYLVcZCjXSI
NVIDIA and their shitty business practices.
>>54586801
the release version of the game is sans vulkan support, apparently it's going to be added later. I smell some jewish nvidia tactics for tanking day 1 performance on amd
>>54586791
This is the mentality of a consumer addict, not someone who enjoys something inherently
>>54585886
Yeah, Viva Pinata is a lot of fun.
>>54586905
but how often has an nvidia title demloished amd performance? project cars, fallout 4, witcher
>AMD cards don't support OpenGL 4.5
>this is somehow Nvidia's fault
this is typical nvida jew tactics, they did the same with the gears of war remaster with added goymworks where amd performace was abysmal day 1 and then later fixed in a patch where amd cards even came out on top. This is the same trickery, except they're abusing the fact that amd's opengl drivers lack certain features and are purposefully holding out vulkan support after people have stopped reviewing the game
>>54586952
how is amd performing like shit on opengl have anything to do with nvidia tanking performance?
>>54585332
>>54585390
>>54585428
>>54585472
AMD has already released a driver update fixing this.
>>54587015
They should have developed it so it works on AMD cards instead of blindly shilling Nvidia
>>54586791
I got mine for under 30 from one of those shitty cdkey sites
>>54587015
because the game was built around nvidia's opengl 4.5 drivers, which dont always follow the spec and the game abuses that to gain a perf advantage on nvidia
>>54587035
god, imagine if nvidia gave free cards to these retarded amd shills. amd would be finished within a week.
>>54587065
i thought opengl was open source
I thought everyone knew AMD was shit at Opengl? I mean they are even worse than Intel and Intel only has iGPU, let that sink for a moment.
>>54587087
the specification is,
nvidia's drivers aren't though
>>54585332
>screen tearing in both
>>54587102
How the fuck does that affect AMD? AMD users don't install Nvidia drivers.
>>54586971
how the fuck do you come to that conclusion? I know what a game is worth to me and will wait for the game to fall withing that range. Im not an inpatient kid so i dont care when that happens. I play all my games with people that do the same thing so if its multiplayer we'll all just get it at the same time.
So, I came here believing that this was the desktop thread. Was I wrong?
>>54587102
why couldn't have they build the game with opengl 4.3 so everyone gets bad performance?
>>54587087
OpenGL works around extensions, Khronos release the specifications for the features and Nvidia/AMD make their own extensions to get the feature work on their hardware, AMD is so shitty that their OpenGL "vanilla" extensions don't even work, meanwhile Nvidia is so good that they make extensions that are surpass Khronos specifications, they even have near zero driver overhead on OpenGl, pretty close to DX12 or Vulkan.
>>54587003
its not like the people who make the games make those kind of decisions. Id rather encourage more twitch shooters than discourage shitty business pratices
>AMDrones thinking their cards not supporting the current opengl version is a Nvidia conspiracy
Fucking delusional.
>>54587110
are you retarded?
the game was built with nvidia's drivers in mind, using and abusing quirks/features in it that may not be present in amd's driver
>>54587169
>I have no idea how OpenGL works.
>>54587042
retard alert
>>54587168
no, but releasing a game that had vulkan support in the beta without it and only leaving the tailored for nvidia opengl support sure seems suspicious
>>54587168
you know what fucking delusional is? that it first had to be disdovered and then the publishers said it was a mistake.
way to go nvidia and idtech to cripple competition for moneys
>>54587216
DOOM didn't had Vulkan on the beta, it was OpenGL and it was capped to Medium settings 60FPS, the beta already pushed a 980Ti to 50% usage at those settings.
>>54587188
alright then, educate me, how does opengl work then?
>>54587035
you mean like amd did with hitman? this is payback. amd have everything coming to them. they should make every game so it doesn't even fucking launch with amd hardware. that cancerous company needs to die.
>>54587245
what? Nvidia themselves demoed the vulkan version at the 1080/1070 announcement event
>>54587250
lol not that guy but it doesn't work that way retard. He might explain but youre a piece of shit if you just go on pulling shit out of your ass spreading misinformation, and wait for someone to spoon feed you info when they call you out.
>>54587266
It wasn't Nvidia it was Bethesda, and it was demoed as a BETA version of Vulkan, not the finished product.
Beside this event DOOD running on Vulkan has never been seen.
>>54585365
You're not allowed to talk about the GTX1080's performance until the release. Please delete your comment.
>>54587255
what the fuck are you talking about,
hitman was the most reasonable benchmark this year for both vendors desu
>>54587245
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/geforce-gtx-doom-vulkan-direct-feed-gameplay-video
>>54587299
Yes, but the beta didn't ran on Vulka it was OpenGL.
Do you people even tried it?
>>54587007
The thing is, in the beta AMD was using opengl 4.5
>2016
>Not having support for open standard that was published in 2014
>>54587277
are you trying to imply that all opengl drivers perform equally, since that would be retarded, especially given the fact that amd's opengl drivers have historically had sub-par performance
>>54587299
the comment section is pure gold though
>>54587434
Probably a muslim.
>screen tearing at 28fps
So idtech 6 was an actual improvement over carmacks hack job?
No noise filter that was present in every idtech 5 game, not locked on framerate, texture shit problems resolved.
If the v-sync problem was also resolved I might end up buying this shit.
>>54586412
*xf86-video-ati
and xf86-video-amdgpu with kernel 4.5+ and last mesa.
i think things will drastically change when vulkan is the norm instead of opengl.
since mantle is part of it
>>54587115
I meant to reply to someone else, sorry
>>54587007
They do
And it did in the beta
The final game release just doesn't for some reason
>>54585597
Sounds about right.
>>54587573
Yeah, it's really bizzare how much better this is
I actually want a wolf port once vulkan is finalized. I'll even pay for it.
I don't buy news games until a month after release and everyone has gotten their shit together.Until vulkan comes out I probably wont be getting it,until then I'll just play the mountain of steam games I bought but never played that have been sitting there for a year.
>>54587087
Are you thought about mesa?
http://mesa3d.org/
https://mesamatrix.net/
>>54585390
>The thing is though that gaming isn't just a service; after updates the card will perform properly, and after the vulkan update it will BTFO of even the 980ti
But until then enjoy your shitty 8 gigs of ram
>>54585332
>AMD GL drivers
KEK
>>54587771
That's what I was thinking, I hit the last straw with idtech 5 after buying rage, evil within and wolfenstein always hoping for the best and ending up with pieces of shit with all the previously mentioned problems.
I'm way too afraid of getting into id tech 6 games now, I need to get my mints on some "demos"
>>54585428
AMD opengl drivers
It's why AMD is horrible on Linux, while NVIDIA is better than Windows.
>>54587389
>especially given the fact that amd's opengl drivers have historically had sub-par performance
HOW IS THAT NVIDIA'S FAULT?
nvidiots will defend this.
>>54588133
>different content
will defend this.
>>54586932
that is pretty fucking dodgy. it's always AMD having issues that aren't their fault.
>>54587277
>oh shit he's asking me to explain
>I'll pretend to be someone else and continue calling him an idiot
>that'll prove my point
embarrassing
>>54586932
wow, I wanted this game too. Games are just games it's easy for me to say fuck the developers and not buy it.
![f87aaad7d4[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/beM8lqx.png "f87aaad7d4[1].png")
>>54588490
Cool story bro
there was a rumor that the next wiiu console will inheriti nvidia tegra components, if this holds true, this will be the first nintendo console i won't be getting.
i don't support scumbag companies like nvidia
>>54586932
WHY ARE PEOPLE NOT OUTRAGED ABOUT THIS SHIT!?
Seriously, if I were in charge of AMD, I'd be demanding public apologies, filing suit, and cracking skulls.
This is unacceptable from a developer.
>>54588101
For some "unknown" reason, AMD cards ran the same, newer version of opengl that Nvidia did in alpha and beta, and performance on AMD wrecked Nvidia. But now, AMD cards are forced to run an older, poorly optimized version in the final release, while Nvidia still runs the newer version.
This looks extremely shady on id softwares part, especially considering their history with Nvidia. $10 says gtx 1080 benchmarks go up at least 2 full days, before it's patched.
>>54585387
underrated, keked so much.
>>54589300
Nigga are you stupid? They've already admitted it's a bug on amd hardware. This has nothing to do with any nvidia boogyman. Jesus Christ. You know how desperate a fanbase are when they blame everyone else except themselves for their buyers remorse.
>>54590247
got source?
>>54590298
It's in the fucking video >>54586932
>>54589189
there probably is but we will never know it since nvidia pays for good propaganda
>>54587007
Are you retarded?
You make a game according to X standards.
They magically Change X standard to Y for no reason.
Thats like taking a fish out of water and telling him he is expected to fly at the same speed as the other fish swimming.
Yo guys I forgot nvidia is the developer of doom. They made every single choice about this game and no one had any other input. It's totally nvidias fault. Sorry guys.
>>54585332
Images look the same to me, senpai.
>>54585428
considering my shit box falls in between minimum and recommended, i was surprised how well the game played during the beta... it releases and cards that double the performance i have are getting less then what i did?
I'm willing to bet that this is an id fuck up and not amd at the very best case scenario, like that one game... mgs5 where they released the prologue and it worked, but the full game didn't support systems that the prologue ran on.
>>54585332
Have they re-done the bench with the updated driver yet? Because new driver was released today.
>>54590247
>Its a bug on AMD hardware :^)
>Despite the fact it was working before, and thus, ID have a responsibility to fucking fix it if it is the case before release
>>54592748
>using the smiley with a carat nose
>>54587295
>>54585332
It was a bug.
Fixed in Crimson 16.5.2.1
>>54586594
>implying this isn't a cancer board.
>>54586741
Like fixing the drivers? kek.
Remember the crimson shittery?
>>54590484
>video literally has a chapter called "something sinister?" suggesting foul play by id soft.
>supposed "bug" claimed by id. Not AMD
You're dumber than I thought
>>54586932
I couldn't take that guy's voice. It was exacerbated by the fact he is a Ausfag. Literally the worst accent on Earth.
>>54585332
AMD uses need slow FPS, their brains are too slow to process the fast FPS that Nvidia cards give.
Their poor little noggins might just explode.
>>54594295
damn i bet it took you all of 30 minutes to come up with that. gold star for you, be sure to show all the other kids at school tomorrow!
>>54594223
>post clearly says it's a bug on amd hardware implying it's a game bug which isn't working well on amd hardware
>retard takes this as it's an amd driver problem
You're dumber than I thought.
>>54594361
>game bug not working well on AMD hardware
>game bug
>retard takes this as an AMD problem
okay cool, you agree with me, then?
This is a problem caused by id software, who has a deep history with Nvidia, right before a major Nvidia gpu launch, which looks pretty damn suspicious.
>>54586741
I'm sure that with Nvidia's help they merely added some much needed industry standard optimisations and enhancements.
>>54592956
>replying the same thing to every post with the smiley with a carat nose
>>54594418
They're pretty standard, alright.
Frankly, it's becoming harder and harder to remain brand agnostic. Nvidia is pissing me off with their shenanigans. You'd have to be blind to not see how this kind of practice holds back an already stagnating industry
>>54594410
So this bug also affects nvidia hardware? No. It's a bug only on amd hardware and from the looks of it, it was actually an amd driver problem after all. They release an updated driver fixing the performance issues on the 390.
>amd drives
Not even once
>>54594442
Drivers*
>>54594440
Hey, when you are profitable, control about 70% of the industry and have your guys being chummy with developers why not go maximum monopoly mode.
Free market bitch. If you hate it maybe you can steal some patents from Nvidia or AMD and hope a chinese company starts making clone GPUs.
>>54585332
My GTX 670 is getting under 30 FPS on some locations, and it's pissing me off.
>mfw getting a 1080 cuz i want to play doom
>>54594442
>implying game bugs that directly affect GPU's aren't patchable on the hardware side, most of the time.
Do you know literally anything about computers?
>>54594455
The free market I can handle.
Dipshit consumerists, I cannot
>>54594467
>drivers can patch game bugs "most of the time"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Guys, guys, devs don't need to do any more game patches. Amd will do it for them by updating the bios on their graphics cards now!
>>54585428
>why do GPUfags get so attached to whatever card they bought?
A better question to ask is why do GPU fags don't know anything about hardware-software interaction, or even the various processing units and components on GPUs,
proven by the fact that they jerk off over framerate graphs that get outdated the moment game is patched or a driver update is released,
and further proven by the fact that they think memory and clock rates alone constitute GPU performance.
Because they are gaymer fags and don't know shit about anything. Never have, never will.
That's why gaymes get progressively worse every month in terms of coding while gamerfags keep shifting the blame of poor game performance from poor game coding onto GPUs.
That's why gaymerfags keep jerking about consoles even today, without any heed or notice of console manufacturers stopping the subsidization and software development support for game developers like Sony did during the PS1 era and Microshit did during the Windows GUI development era;
without any heed or notice of the industry becoming exponentially anti-consumer to the point where Sonyfags for instance don't utter a word about Sony losing free online play, a police that was the tool of jeering towards Xbox when Sony had free online.
Gaymers are the most cancerous and retarded collective in the whole entertainment industry. Even movie fags are above them since movie fags at least criticize the poor state of the industry wholesomely, and at least care to remember individual film-maker staff rather than just superficial brand names.
That's why these threads about gaymer GPUs (GeForce and Rx series cards) should be purged from /g/ and contained to /v/.
The IQ of /g/ would jump by about 60 points at least if that happened.
Is this with the driver that just launched a few hours ago?
>>54594539
Are you daft?
Game bugs that affect gpu actions generally can be patched, and most of the time are patched, by manufacturers. And it's a big problem.
>>54585332
>OpenGL when Vulkan will be patched in in a couple days
>Old driver
gg, Rajesh
>>54594611
No one can be this stupid. Please tell me you're trolling
In other news. The particle effects in the Hell levels no longer kill my 7970's framerate as of 16.5.2.1.
DF should redo their comparison.
>>54594539
dumb frogposter
kys
>>54594763
DF fucked up but it literally just released when they posted the video
>>54594740
He's right, tho. What are you trying to say anon
>>54595145
He's trying to say that he's a toxic trolling retard.
I bet everybody hates him IRL.
>>54594611
See -->>54595162
Get a life moron and educate yourself before you spout random bullshit on the web. Driver updates =/= game updates
>>54594223
>>54594410
>>54594467
>>54594611
ive seen some retards in my short time in gpu threads but this guy takes the cake. driver level optimizations do not fix in game bugs and glitches like the broken shadows which is causing bad performance in doom on amd hardware. the patch which was release for the 390 (only) fixes some opengl compatibly problems and doesnt fix the game bugs like you retards believe. a 35% boost is fuck all compared to where it should be. watch the digital foundry video again, the 970 had a performance lead of over 200% at points so a 35% increase is going to do fuck all. this can only be fixed by the devs and not by amd like this fuckbrain >>54594467 thinks.
> mfw doom is the first game since 2 years where a 780ti is faster than the 290x
>>54587255
This is the
>i dont know what a mopoly is and how shit it would be for me
Post of the year
>>54595249
>>54595249
>>54595249
Schnell!
>>54595386
>Schnell!
Fick dich, Schwuchtel.
>>54595293
>literally defending the guys original point, from >>54594223
Fucking kek.
I can't. I've pretty much only ever bought AMD cards and I can say they're unequivocally inferior to nVidia.
I owned a GTX270 at one point, and a few really old cards like a Geforce 2MX, but really AMD consistently has less visual features, has worse support with games and gets worse performance with most things. Even fucking Neptunia wouldn't run at 60fps on my 7970.
Pic related is the only proof I have left that I owned AMD cards. Even when these were new they sucked at playing games.
>>54595562
Neptunia have shitty optimization regardless of your gpu anon.
>>54595627
I had an AMD CPU too. My ex-bf had an Intel CPU and he could run it at 60fps.
AMD sucks.
>>54595293
>watch the digital foundry video again, the 970 had a performance lead of over 200% at points so a 35% increase is going to do fuck all.
DF posted a new video with the driver update.
It put 390 10fps less than 970 on average.
Also, its 'Up to 200%' not 'constantly 200%'.
>>54595636
>Ex-bf
Ah, so you're a faggot. Makes sense.
>>54595636
AMD CPU and AMD GPU are not same.
It is a known factor that AMD CPU have less IPC than Intel CPU. GPU wise, the difference is mainly due to the game developer leanings and the backroom deals. Gameworks/Asynch Compute/OpenGL/DX12 etc, will all produce different results. As well as if you pay attention to major Game Engines, you can tell which games will be good at what vendor. Frostbite engines for example run extremely well on both GPU, they are optimized for both. Unreal Engine is optimized for Nvidia (deep long partnership). And so on.
GPU segment issues are most likley due to "political" nature of the game developer/vendor relationship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvWaE-3Aseg
>Still slower
>>54595691
Its an openGL game, its a given that Nvidia perform better in that department.
>>54595691
Only marginally and they will have to update again when the Vulkan patch comes.
They probably know AMD is faster than Nvidia in Vulkan so they wait for the 1080 release.
>>54595691
>3fps
Enjoy your 970 being utterly worthless a couple of weeks from now when driver support ends. :^)
t. GTX 780 owner/cuck
Can anyone with AMD confirm if the new driver enables OGL 4.5 in Doom?
>>54595785
What's the downside of not updating drivers exactly? You're already comfortable with the performance why not just let it be? New games would work just fine wouldn't they? Maybe dual-boot a test OS? What's the purpose of updating nvidia drivers when you have no problems?
>1 hour ago
AMD releases new drivers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvWaE-3Aseg
Shitty game
>>54596153
The card slowly dies off, but the 970 will be fine in dx11 and opengl/vulkan.
>>54596153
Because as seen in this very thread, drivers are required for decent performance in new games. AMD literally doubled their performance with a driver update. The issue isn't that you're not getting more performance when Nvidia stop updates, it's that you're getting less. New games run like shit and are never fixed via driver updates on older cards.
The one exception was when The Witcher 3 ran like absolute fucking trash on Kepler and people kicked up a massive stink about it, which resulted in a one-time-only, never repeated since performance fix for that one game on Kepler cards, and it made a massive difference.
Maxwell owners will get to experience this joy too now. Upgrade or die, goyim. ;^)
>>54596446
Based AMD
Nvidiots finished and on suicide watch
>>54596446
>Improvement is only for the 390
Thx amd
>>54597818
>this damage control
kek.
Also see >>54585621
>tfw my computer struggles to run doom... AGAIN
th ehell do people care so much about video cards. they all look the same to me
>>54597981
Fuck off kid
>>54597981
that's like saying "all computers look the same, they're just some big metal boxes"
>Tfw Fury X
>Tfw couldn't give a fuck less about Doom
>Tfw been playing Undertale and speedrunners almost exclusively lately
Fucks given: 0
>>54597818
>>54597867
No because I own a 380 you fucking retard. Not everyone is a fucking shill or whatever.
>AMD has horrible OpenGL support
More news at 11.
>>54598829
The 380 is not effected shitlord
>>54599035
>Effected
I still wouldn't mind an update that gives me a performance boost you insufferable cuntwagon.
>>54599144
>falling for it
wew you really are a massive idiot. Stop posting.
>>54599219
>pretending to be retarded
Well done kid
>>54599409
Nothing personal kiddo.
>>54585597
>>54585597
>>54585428
>>54585428
>>54587024
>>54596446
This basically
>>54585348
>>54585387
Also this basically
