Reminder:
>Only 32 kilobytes of RAM in the Apollo capsules' computers was enough to put men on the moon and safely get them back to Earth. The Voyager deep space probes that sent us a wealth of images and scientific data from the outer reaches of the solar system (and still continue to do so from interstellar space) have on-board computers based on a 4-bit CPU. An 80C85 CPU with 176 kilobytes of ROM and 576 kilobytes of RAM was all that controlled the Sojourner robot that drove across the surface of Mars and delivered geological data data and high-resolution images in full-color stereo.
Planned hardware obsolescence and bloatware are the only reasons you need 4GHz quad-core CPUs and 8GB of RAM just to run smoothly these days.
Consumerism is the only reason why you need computers and the Internet these days. Why can't everyone just be satisfied with telephones for communication and microform for researching information?
>>54578699
But do they run gentoo?
>>54578699
A CPU preforming relatively simple tasks like telling a thruster to fire or RCS jets is completely different from running modern games and programs. Rendering hundreds of thousands of calculations a second to create a realistic environment in which a player a interact is much harder to do than that what the Apollo missions were doing.
Fucking autist.
>>54578769
No, but they run NetBSD.
>>54578699
I can tell you came from reddut. Stealing comments made a few days ago and reposting them as your own. Maybe you should go back there where that behavior is tolerated.
>>54578751
As always, it's capitalism's fault. Why am I not surprised?
>>54578805
Do you even have the slightest idea of the kind of math that goes into "telling thrusters to fire"?
Ok, go design a fully functioning and usable OS that runs on something similar
I'll even say you couldn't get a decent system running today on a 286 with ~640kb of ram let alone something even simpler like a 80C85
>>54578805
this
>>54578805
This.
Also, those aren't the same chips you would have on a regular phone, those are special chips hardenned further to survive cosmic rays and work at extreme temperatures.
>>54578845
Not that anon, but all of the calculations needed are done on earth and you just sent the signal to "fire thruster for x milliseconds" anon.
>>54578845
Bernout detected
>>54578845
Not a fucking clue anon, but all of the needed calculations are done on earth before the launch, because they aren't doing realtime calculations on the fly I can tell you that. All the chips had to do was a certain preprogrammed sequence as soon as the pilot or mission control tells it too.
C'mon anon its not rocket science :^)
>>54578699
>8GB of RAM
pleb, I have 32GB
>>54578805
>running modern games
>>>/v/
>>54578940
>using the smiley with a carat nose
>>54578974
He did say a 4ghz CPU, so I'm assuming he is talking about games because that's one of the only things that benefit from such a thing
>>54578981
>not using the smiley face with carrot nose :^)
>>54579002
This is so far from the truth
>>54579002
>using the smiley with a carat nose
>>54578699
Programmers used to be forced into efficiency. Necessity is the mother of invention.
>>54578906
Someone who cant identify sarcasm detected.
>>54579031
What program benefits more from something being clocked at 4ghz rather from having more cores?
>>54578699
I'm fairly certain we lost contact with both voyager 1 and 2 awhile back, they are too far out now.
>>54578850
Not him, but define fully functioning. I can get a lot of shit done on my old Pentium running NetBSD and twm.
>>54578974
Even Doom has higher code complexity and more intensive math than the Apollo computer.
The point is, you don't really need computers for space travel.
>>54578981
>>54579044
Are you slightly rused by le 4chan smiley face? B^)
>high-resolution images in full-color stereo.
>>54578940
>>54578854
You two are extremely wrong. Those crafts definitely NEED to do calculations on the fly. The Voyager I is now 3/4 of a light day distant from us. That's how long our signal telling it to swerve to avoid collision would take to arrive, do you really think we can afford that? Geez, read a book once in your lives!
>>54579150
>using the smiley with a carat nose
>>54579163
Are you slightly faced by le 4chan smiley ruse? (^:
>>54579178
>using the backward smiley with a carat nose
>>54579161
Are you actually autistic.
>>54578699
>not wanting your smiley with carat nose to render in as little time as possible
Fucking casuals.
>>54578699
no, optimisation is the reason. If they optimised out software it would be a lot better, but its made to run on heaps of difference computers so thats why
>>54579181
>>54579194
Are you slightly rused by le 4chan smiley face? ÷^]
>>54579205
>using the smiley with division eyes and a carat nose
>>54579181
I honestly believe there are at most 5 people doing this game everytime someone posts a >smiley with carat nose, all of them on /g/
>>54579212
Are you intensely rused by le metaphysical sheekyforums amused face? ^^^
>>54579221
because people need to fucking stop posting it
>Apollo
The what? Oh, the bullshit show for goys to make them believe man has been in the moon. Fuck off, Moshe.
>>54579240
>using the smiley with multiple carat noses with no eyes and mouth
>>54579150
>>54579178
>>54579205
>>54579240
Top tier memeing tbqh
>>54579161
Would it be more feasible to send raw data back to Earth and do calculations on earth and then beaming them back up since the only thing you need to consider is the speed of light and solar radiation
>>54579066
>computar is for gaymur
fuck off
>>54579252
Are you slightly rused by the minimalistic 4john smiling face? ^
>>54579084
>we
>>54579306
Did you even read what I said.
>>54579308
>using the smiley with a carat nose with no eyes and mouth
>half this thread is filtered
wow, I can see this is gonna be some quality shit
>>54578959
FUCKING RAMLET, I FUCKING HATE YOU, I HATE YOU, FUCKING RAMLET,
I HAVE 64GB RAM YOU COWARD
>>54579340
Are you slightly rused by le 4chan smiley face? );^
>>54579066
>What program benefits more from something being clocked at 4ghz rather from having more cores?
Ruby. It's fucking terrible. It's entirely single threaded. I laughed at the last customer that was all about efficiency and running his ruby on a bare metal OS that had midrange, multicore CPUs. I called him a dumbass to his face, which was unprofessional and out of character but he'd been trying to rice his servers out with newegg the entire project and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.
>>54579066
Compression
>>54579417
>using the smiley with a carat nose and no mouth
>>54578699
Which makes it all the more embarrassing that Android runs like shit on an 8 core CPU and application developers need insane amounts of power for a basic smartphone game.
>>54579066
My worj uses Autodesk Inventor, a $7,500 programme, - which does structural, gas flow, thermal simulations and animations is mostly single threaded- only the rendering uses more cores, so a high CPU clock speed is a benefit.
>>54579449
>using ruby ever
>>54579458
>not using a multi threaded compression program.
>>54579478
Point taken.
>>54579339
>gaming laptop
>>54579405
no need to lie on the internet
>>54578699
My computer runs smoothly on 4GB of ram and a 2GHz processor. I don't play games though, and I'm on Linux. I could get by with much less, but modern web browsers eat up resources like crazy.
The reason that space ship computer worked with such low specs if because it was specifically programmed for that purpose. The entire OS, every single program running on it, was all specifically written for the purpose of space travel.
The computers we use privately are general purpose machines, they offer a lot of functionality that you need, and no it's not all bloatware. For example, Your computer probably has a fancy GUI or desktop manager (whatever you want to call it). Some autists will say they just need a terminal, but 99% of people want something to look at. You don't need that for the spaceship computer though.
>>54578845
>Do you even have the slightest idea of the kind of math that goes into "telling thrusters to fire"?
Yes. That's just a sensor-controller-actuator loop, the sensor detects the difference compared to a desired value (rotation/velocity vector/etc.) and fires thrusters accordingly. This might be a simple PID controller or a more complex "strange hybrid" one. Every single thing needing control from planes/helicopters to quad-copters to automated washing machines uses the same approach.
How to calculate the desired condition (desired velocity vector for exmp.) is a different issue.
You should do most of that on earth and sync with your spacecraft. For example by having very reliable clock inside your spacecraft accompanied with an initial state of the solar system you can have it spend a 1-2 hours calculating the it's state required for your next step 3 hours before firing your thrusters. Then by having good timing you fire your thrusters and you can be withing your error margin. This is an engineering "trick" which comes to my mind and could work within a given error.
I would recommend reading a book on actual spacecraft controls, because that probably has a lot of mind blowing solutions. It's only rocket science to people who don't even have a basic understanding of engineering control.
There is for example a simulator called Orbiter (freely available) which accurately models our solar system and it has a 3rd party module quite accurately modeling Apollo missions going as far as to modell the actual Apollo computer. It might worth checking out. Regarding comparison to video games, a general engine needs to calculate lot of different stuff from various parts of graphics to various general newtonian physics stuff and AI. What really needs performance is that it needs to do all of this in real-time usually with 30-60 FPS, same calculations all over the place. Well specified and constrained embedded systems are easier to optimize too than games.
>>54578751
because all my friends i actually talk to besides like 1 person live in far away countries on other ends of the planet and a telephone call to their place would cost a fortune so we use mumble.
>>54578832
>thinking this shitposting only originated on leddit and only yesterday
are you 12 and did you just find out how to access the internet?
fucking newfag.
>>54579562
are you implying i am lying
you motherfuckker
you fucking mother fucker
>>54579624
HOLY SHIT I NEED THAT NOW!
>>54578699
>Planned hardware obsolescence and bloatware are the only reasons you need 4GHz quad-core CPUs and 8GB of RAM just to run smoothly these days.
Says you
8GB and a 4ghz quad core bottlenecks the shit out of day to day task even having a bunch of tabs in your browsers of choice can eat up alot of ram very easily
Want to play 2-4k videos? Even more ram and cpu power
God forbid if your one of the enlightened few and want to play games on your PC
Newer cheaper and more accessible hardware is always just around the corner.
>Not getting AMD Zen
>Not ditching Intel and nvidia
>>54578699
Fuck man do you know what embedded processor is?
They all have different function. Your toaster doesn't need Octa-core chip running at 3.8GHz and 32GiB ram, when its job is just to roast yo bread
>>54579645
>blurry shit
>backpedaling
The main advantage of increasing computing power and memory size is that software companies can use worse and worse coders (aka pajeets) to get the same performance or functionality. Why waste time and money optimizing the code when you can just throw more CPU cycles at it? They are not even your CPU cycles but the end user's.
>>54578820
After all, we ARE talking about obsolete technology.
>>54579666
No wonder everything has been getting more and more broken
Welp
i cant code for shit but i appreciate art.
>>54578845
>what is preprogrammed calculations
Those computers are told how to fire, and when to fire thanks too pretty programmed info done by scientists on the ground
>>54579664
WHAT BITCH
WHAT
>>54579161
*tips*
>>54579161
>A computer chip from the 1970's is doing real-time physics modeling in outer space as we speak
I'm pretty sure you added that last sentence as a
>lol jk
safety valve in case someone handed your ass to you.
>>54579664
>>54579702
I'm not the one you replied to, but cool your jets kid, cuz you mad.
>>54579755
wouldn't you, too, be mad if someone accused you of being a RAMLET?
>>54579463
Java. Why Google decided to go with Java for their smartphone OS beats me, everybody knows it's the slowest language in existence.
>>54579768
I would indeed. That's a fair point.
>>54579768
Nah.
>>54579702
>4GB stick
pleb
>>54579702
Hahahahahah ddr3, not having atleast 128GB of the latest tech: DDR4. Ddr3 is almost 10 years old you pleb. And 4gb sticks aren't the largest you can get for this ancient tech. 8gb ddr3 sticks are readily available. Being poor must suck.
>>54578699
Even if we have more advanced hardware than what's going into spacecraft, it doesn't mean that we necessarily want to use it, the extremes of space put a huge strain on electronics and it has to be extremely tolerant of errors, which means using more primitive scaled-back technology. This is why even "modern" spacecraft utilize electronics that could be considered ancient by earthly standards; your average PC hardware would devolve into a mess of errors and corrupt RAM as soon as it left the atmosphere and got hit by radiation, rendering it more useless than having gone with the safe approach.
>>54579742
>fake screenshot
m8, you're trying too hard
>>54579785
>slowest language
>most common language in HFT software
Pick one, scrub.
>>54579678
>BSD
>obsolete
Someone here has never taken even a single class on operating systems.
>>54579801
SAYS THE RAMLET
i have fucking SIXTEEN 4gb sticks, in 8, COUNT THEM 8, ram channels, and my GT/S is more than ALL YOUR COMPUTERS COMBINED.
>>54578699
>America went to the moon
What is this meme? Kubrick disproved this bullshit by admitting he was the film director for the "moon landings"
>>54580264
No he didn't.
>>54580295
http://yournewswire.com/stanley-kubrick-confesses-to-faking-the-moon-landings/
>>54580313
>your news wire
seems legit
>>54579888
>4gb sticks
TOP FUCKING KEKEROONIES!
>>54580360
Watch the Youtube video in the link
He admits he faked the moon landings
He rused the entire America-loving world
>>54580374
it says on the same page that it's probably a hoax.
I'd be interested to know how kubrick faked the radio signals and the laser reflectors that are still where the astronauts left them.
>>54580393
They sent cheaper and less complex unmanned missions to the moon at a later date to cover up their ends. Why are you so retarded. Oh wait-
>American
That explains it. You fell for the moon landings and the Iraq War. And now you're about to fall for a literal Hitler.
>>54580372
16 of them. 8 memory channels. what the fuck you got faggot? its better to have more sticks.
>>54580374
yeah, we just built a system capable of going to the moon and didn't use it. sounds legit.
actually, we DID go to the moon, but, the videos are faked.
>>54580425
>actually, we DID go to the moon, but, the videos are faked.
Or you didn't go to the moon because you didn't have a system capable of taking living people there. Fucking stupid Americunts.
>>54579241
Here is your (you) :^)
Also - it doesn't matter if calculations need to be done on earth or on probe - those don't need to be done lightning fast. If that shit can do it in 24h and just save the result and 'fire thrusters for x milliseconds' it should be fine.
>>54580421
I'm not american.
I'd be interested to know how kubrick faked the effects of the moon's gravity in a complete vacuum, also with only one light source at the exact same intensity and brightness of the sun
>>54580466
>faked the effects of the moon's gravity in a complete vacuum
There is no wind in a vacuum, and yet the flag planted on the moon flutters when one of the actors walks past it. "Vacuum" you say?
>also with only one light source at the exact same intensity and brightness of the sun
It's called a flood light. It's 20's technology.
moon hoax believer btfo by nvidia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9y_AVYMEUs
>>54580488
the flag doesn't flutter, it only moves when the astronauts are moving it.
A flood light the size and distance of the sun?
>>54579678
Sick burn
>>54580500
>A flood light the size and distance of the sun?
Uh huh. Keep dreaming Americunt. You never went to the moon and you never will.
Have you considered the possibility that what those computers were doing actually wasn't that computation-intensive? You couldn't run a modern-looking game on a machine with 32KB of RAM no matter what.
>>54580514
Post evidence for you claims so I can laugh at them some more
>>54580525
You first, Amerilard
>>54580514
>Keep dreaming Americunt
so that's what this is about. jelly comrade detected.
>>54580530
I told you I'm not American.
I'm not the one with the burden of proof here
>>54579849
Somebody has a sore anus.
>>54580548
But you are if you believe in the moon "landings"
The rest of the civilized world knows that they were faked in order to save face from the Soviets absolutely demolishing your ass in the space race.
>>54580576
>faked in order to save face from the Soviets absolutely demolishing your ass in the space race.
The fact that the USSR never doubted the moon landings is pretty telling that they weren't simply "faked".
>>54580576
If it was faked the Soviets would have known about it. They had all their radios pointed at the moon landing site.
>>54580602
>>54580606
The Soviets did doubt the moonlandings and the Russian government still doubts it today. Fucking blind and deaf Amerilards.
>>54580623
Source?
>>54579161
What the fuck is this bait?
>>54580641
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3130017/Russian-official-demands-investigation-really-happened-moon-landing-original-footage-disappeared.html
http://clapway.com/2015/10/19/russian-engineering-team-hopes-solve-moon-landing-debate/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-calls-investigation-into-whether-us-moon-landings-happened-10327714.html
>>54580655
>Copying & pasting the first links that come up on google without reading past the headline
:^)
>http://clapway.com/2015/10/19/russian-engineering-team-hopes-solve-moon-landing-debate/
They're trying to prove that it's not a hoax.
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3130017/Russian-official-demands-investigation-really-happened-moon-landing-original-footage-disappeared.html
>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-calls-investigation-into-whether-us-moon-landings-happened-10327714.html
They're trying to find out why footage and moon rocks have been lost.
>>54580623
I'm not American, you dumb cockgoblin. I'm Russian and no, there was never an official USSR policy of denying the Apollo missions and I dare you to actually find anything about it. Some very active modern ultra-patriots, who aren't all too different from American neocons, aren't indication of a party line.
Also daily reminder that the USSR was ahead of the US in space anyways:
First satellite in space
First animal in space
First man in space
First woman in space
First spacewalk
First spacestation
>>54580733
Why were they "lost" in the first place? :^)
Maybe they had something to hide :^)
>>54580749
>I'm Russian
Sure :^)
And I'm Australian ;^)
>>54580753
Or maybe they were simply lost or erased by mistake. It happens when you have enormous archives. The BBC have lost thousands of original tapes and film reels for various reasons.
>>54580753
>>54580768
>gets proven wrong
>starts moving goalposts
Cyдя пo тoмy кaк ты тyт cщитпocтишь, мoг бы и пoвepить, чтo и кeнгypятник. Чтo мнe тeбe, Boйнy и Mиp зaчитaть, чтoбы cвoю pюccкocтъ дoкaзaть? Дaвaй пpyфы в cтyдию, paз oбъявилcя знaтoкoм пo иcтopии CCCP.
>>54580733
Yeah, here's some more interesting stuff:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/apollo-moon-khrushchev/
>>54580817
I think NASA lost huge amounts of data due to poorly stored tapes too. Russia lost an entire shuttle cause it was left unattended at Baikonur. Which is a damn shame, the Buran project was in many ways very much superior to the Shuttle. Bad budgeting, Perestroika and the fall of the USSR killed it. RIP Buran, you were too beautiful for this world.
>>54578699
The moon landing was fake you stupid fuck.
>>54579271
This is what they do.
>>54578699
This is stupid. As other people have said, the code that ran on Apollo, Voyager, etc. is very specialized. You can't compare this with the code that runs on a PC.
>>54580567
Somebody is a tech illiterate.
>>54580749
yo, im bulgarian, russians have developed the first Ion thruster too waaaay before the mericunts
>>54579602
Could you point me to a book title on spacecraft control systems design? I'm really into that sort of thing, thanks.
>mfw all the cucks defending corporations who fuck them over with planned obsolescence and bloatware ITT
>>54578906
You say that as if it was a bad thing.
>>54581228
>Technology is developing
>This is a bad thing
>>54581248
>technology wouldn't be developing if it weren't for greed corporations
>>54581271
This is exactly why capitalism works
I wouldn't expect a 40 year old living with his parents to understand
>>54581228
I am writing Java for a living: Java for machines with 80 cores and 256 GB RAM.
I am rewriting existing PL/I systems in Java which creates a whole new list of bugs and runs a hundred times slower because there are insane database translation layers.
Bloatware literally brings food on my table.
>>54580653
>>54579721
>>54581156
>>54579186
He actually presented a reasonable argument, while you only acted snarky and smug, you jackasses. THAT'S NOT AN ARGUMENT!
>>54581190
Oh, nice. I didn't recall that, but not surprised, really. They pioneered a lot of cool stuff that's taken for granted today. And a lot got never done due to the way the Soviet Union bureaucracy worked in the latter years. A real shame.
>>54581296
>capitalism works
>>54578699
Don't worry, Intel's last process shrink will be at 10nm, and programmers will finally be forced to, god forbid, OPTIMIZE their code.
Running a browser requires more work than running those space ship programs
>>54581317
it works better than it's alternatives
>>54581296
>greed works and therefore it is good
>>54581296
No, that's not how capitalism works. I wouldn't expect someone indoctrinated from an early age to understand this.
>>54581271
>the illusions of a communist
>>54581343
It's why it works, not how it works, any other system that disincentivizes personal gain, doesn't work
I can shitpost just fine from a machine nearly two decades old.
Meanwhile a single tab in a modern browser takes up about as much RAM as the shitbox has.
And a decade old shitbox has the resources to spare, unless it's running modern windows.
Tell me /g/, why would an operating system need hardware any more powerful than its last revision? Is it doing more work for the same result or what?
>>54581335
>something doesn't work but it's part of my political ideology so therefore it's good
>>54581330
>I've dropped out of school: The Post
>>54581364
>I don't have an argument, so I'll just call him a commie
You guys are doing a great job of proving me right.
>>54581248
>bloatware and planned obsolescence is development
>>54578699
Is there anywhere to read up what kind of hardware / software ( OS ) they use today?
>>54581369
>blurring the distinction between personal gain and greed with premade catchphrases
You are a textbook example of a useful idiot.
>>54581411
good quality replies m8, international jewery (which I presume your pic related is refering to) is only a part of today's capitalism
capitalism in it's true form is the best system
>>54581418
we're still getting better hardware every year, and you can always still run arch with 200mb of ram usage on desktop, nobody is stopping you
No screen = not rendering text and images 60 times per second = don't need good hardware
>>54581386
>strawman
>>54581468
and you're a textbook example of a useless idiot
>>54581470
>i-it's not REAL capitalism!
You sound just like a gommie defending communism by saying the USSR wasn't real communism.
>>54581375
>expecting corporate shills to be sensible
>>54581491
>>54581468
>>54581479
>replying to bait
>>54579084
the RTG's powering them don't put out enough juice to keep everything going
>>54578699
If you tried to send super complex, low nm chips into space they'd break more easily.
hardened, simple equipment is more likely to survive in the rigors of space, at least until we invent super high density energy components and force fields.
>>54579144
I don't get why people compare the computers used with the apollo program with the computing power of smartphones and such. Spaceflight really isn't very complicated, and most of the computers you need are more for processing sensor data and such, and processing signals from mission control.
>>54581330
So basically you fell for the oldest trick in the book: if we present them with two very shitty alternatives, they will like the least shitty and think that's all the world's about. You do realize big corporations are the ones shilling and lobbying the hardest for socialism, right?
Capitalism and socialism are just two blades of the same shear, two legs of the same globalist elite.
Redpill yourself.
>>54579161
Voyager hardly has enough power to do anything, their missions are more than complete, NASA isn't too interested in trying to avoid a collision with a 40 year old robot that has a potato battery for power
>>54581330
... except it doesn't?
>>54579888
>4gb sticks
Even my fucking thinkstation from 2005 now has two 8gb sticks
>>54579801
ddr4 is for gaymers and people who want to waste money
if I wanted to I could get 1TB of RAM just for fun
but I won't, because that would be retarded
>>54581617
4gb sticks are insanely cheap, used they go for under $2/gb
>>54581588
t. North Korean
>>54581670
Not an argument.
>>54581752
Nor is that. though, tell me, if you love socialism so much why is it that you choose not to live in North Korea? Surely as a socialist paradise your quality of life would be much higher there?
>>54581301
The guys said:
>Those crafts definitely NEED to do calculations on the fly. The Voyager I is now 3/4 of a light day distant from us. That's how long our signal telling it to swerve to avoid collision would take to arrive, do you really think we can afford that?
There's basically nothing to avoid in space. Except for planets and moons. Possibly also some asteriods (atleast the asteroids that we actually know about). But the point is that space is pretty fucking empty. There's no collisions that a spaceprobe needs to avoid, except for the planets, moons and the asteroids. And to avoid collisions with these we do calculations beforehand.
But, we do have a issue with the possibillity of micrometeoroids. However, there's simply no instruments or digital devices that could react fast enough even to DETECT these things if they're on a collision course. And even if there were, a probe certainly would not have enough time to alter it's position.
>>54581870
You sound very American
>>54581893
I'm British. I have witnessed first hand the perils of socialism.
>>54581870
If you love capitalism so hard, then why aren't you working 14 hours a day on a sweatshop factory alongside your wife and kids for less than minimum wage?
>>54581915
Wow, in two sentences you managed to pack a strawman fallacy AND a false dilemma fallacy! You got some mad skills, brah.
>>54581929
because i am running that joint, NIGGA
>>54581962
No shit that the one defending capitalism is part of the oppressive elite?
>>54581959
I have made neither fallacy. If you choose to support socialism you must accept the fact that you prefer living within its end result. North Korea is the best example we have today of end-stage socialism (though there were others, historically, such as the USSR).
>>54581977
you have no ambition, my man
>>54582002
Ambition is for bourgeoisie swine.
>>54582002
I do, I just also have empathy.
>>54582034
Your empathy sure does a lot of good locked up in your mother's basement leaching off the taxpayer dime.
>>54581989
>quick, change subject into criticism of socialism as a red herring to distract others from any criticism of capitalism!
Not even legit criticism either, USSR and North Korea have never been true socialism.
Also, yes you did. False dilemma because socialism isn't the only alternative. Strawman because the perils you faced weren't real socialism.
>>54579449
You're the dumb one. Ruby 1.9 sports it, as do most interpreters, like jruby.
>>54578805
Now explain having WebKit integrated into every single fucking piece of software.
>>54582056
>no argument
>just ad hominem
Why am I not surprised?
>>54579449
You're the dumb one. Ruby 1.9 sports it, as do most interpreters, like jruby.
>>54582065
>Muh true socialism has never been tried
Name a more socialistic state than North Korea. If socialism is so good then surely the more socialist the better?
>>54578699
Do you SERIOUSLY think the computer in the Apollo capsule could play 1080p 60fps video in real time?
The tasks I do with my machine are vastly more demanding than anything those machines did.
>>54582091
It's funny how you keep ignoring the numerous examples presented of successful socialist states, like Denmark, and keep reverting back to the North Korea red herring. Your argument has no substance, only rhetoric. And to think people fall for that...
>>54582200
Denmark is the 13th most economically free country in the world.
>>54578854
>Not that anon, but all of the calculations needed are done on earth and you just sent the signal to "fire thruster for x milliseconds" anon.
Stupid cunt. The onboard computers have to integrate sensor data to calculate and adjust their trajectory on the fly to monitor for hardware failure, handle reliable communications, etc. thousands of times per second. If the computer makes one small mistake it could render the mission a failure since many types of maneuvers have enormous time intervals between windows. It's a very constrained environment for such a set of tasks.
A probe or lander lightseconds to lightminutes away can't simply send sensor data back to earth to do the heavy calculations, because it needs delicate correctional adjustments in attitude and speed immediately.
>>54578699
>Planned hardware obsolescence and bloatware are the only reasons you need 4GHz quad-core CPUs and 8GB of RAM just to run smoothly these days.
The NASA hardware were all extremely specialized for their task, and their own hardware only. They were programmed right down to the bone and for that specific task only.
Computers today have extreme levels of cross compatibility and abstraction layers, that allow you to run 20 year old software natively on a billion different permutations of hardware.
I find it more interesting that the Apollo computers had a preemptive multitasking OS with a complex resource sharing system that even had priorities.
>>54582224
The calculations for manoeuvering are done months, if not years, before the craft is even built.
>>54579602
>It's only rocket science to people who don't even have a basic understanding of engineering control.
Exactly.
Even in programming, you can implement some extremely complex functionality change, and it takes only 1 short line... the trick is, of course, knowing where in the gigantic source code that one line is.
>>54582222
I know, right? Isn't it ironic how socialism ends up producing more economic freedom than capitalism, the system that claims to be about freedom?
>>54582200
>Denmark
>socialist state
Ehm... no
>>54580421
>>American
>That explains it. You fell for the moon landings and the Iraq War. And now you're about to fall for a literal Hitler.
Oh please tell us your opinion. We're busy doing things besides building a turd so we haven't had weeks to wax poetic on other countries political and socioeconomic short comings.
Your opinion matters. Really.
>>54582290
If it's economically free it's not socialism.
>>54578699
The shit these computers did was shit Astronauts were previously doing by fucking hand, it's not that complicated, and we still use such low-end microcontrollers for many of these tasks.
Personal computers run much more complex software and calculations, whether required for the job or required by the shitty H1B programmer working in some guy's basement, not NASA, for a dollar an hour.
>>54579161
>That's how long our signal telling it to swerve to avoid collision would take to arrive, do you really think we can afford that? Geez, read a book once in your lives!
Is this bait? There's nothing to hit, this is reality, not fucking Star Wars.
The distances in space are vast, and the Oort cloud, if it even exists, is going to be quite diffuse.
And aside from all of that, Voyager is basically a brick anyway, its mission is concluded and its instruments likely won't even be powered by the time it hits anything.
>>54582222
>>54582293
>when Scandinavia is bad, it's socialism's fault, when it's good, it's because of capitalism
The cognitive dissonance is palpable.
>>54582264
The craft needs corrections though. If the thruster flames-out 100ms after it receives the cut-out signal, then that is going to need correction before the next maneuver approaches. Whether or not it is feasible for ground control to evaluate and take action on this depends on the circumstances.
>>54582324
you can incorporate socialist ideas without being a socialist state, and those socialist ideas can be shitty ones
>>54582316
So you get to define socialism? Because as far as I know, if it isn't a classless society, it isn't socialism either, and that makes NK and USSR not socialist.
>you need to prove I'm wrong based on a set of definitions that a priori excludes your opinion
You are scum.
>>54582324
You don't know what socialism or capitalism is
>>54582324
Some nordic countries are suffering because of poor social policy, not economic.
If you want to see an example of poor economic policy look at Britain in the 50s (at the height of socialism).
>>54582324
What, in your mind, defines a socialistic state?
>>54578699
Why don't you just run all of your shit off an embedded system written in pure ASM then?
>>54582355
I define socialism as the regulation of trade, at any level, to promote redistribution of wealth to those outside that trade. Can you think of a better definition?
Class is a natural and ineradicable construct that will never go away so long as variation exists within our species. Some people really just are better than you, I'm sorry to say.
>>54580421
>Fell for ivan bullshit...Because muh wasted communism
The amount of non-programmers in here who think they can talk shit just because they assembled a PC or work help desk for their job is sickening.
I only stop by /g/ after momentarily forgetting why I left.
>>54580749
>First woman in space
Yeah but she burned up and your government denied anything happened. No hate, just an interesting turn of events. After Komarov's death I can't blame them for sweeping it under the carpet. They'd have run out of cosmonauts if they hadn't.
>>54582335
Indeed, though, given the extremely large nature of space it is usually possible to perform the correction calculations off-site and beam them to the craft in advance.
For example, New Horizons' final stage SRB turned out to be slightly too powerful so a reduction in velocity was necessary in order to encounter Jupiter. The SRB burned out something like four months before NH entered Jupiter's SOI which left plenty of time to beam sensor readings and inputs back and forth between the craft and ground control.
>>54580817
>The BBC have lost thousands of original tapes and film reels for various reasons.
The BBC lost a bunch of early Doctor Who episodes for like 30 years. They were found in a cabinet in Ethiopia or some shit. Talk about weird.
>>54582067
>You're the dumb one. Ruby 1.9 sports it, as do most interpreters, like jruby.
Lol. No. 1.9 does not allow parallel threading, multiple threads can be kicked off but that isn't multithreading. MRI is a terrible implmentation trying to solve Ruby's thread issue.
>>54578699
Reminder that those systems have to be extremely redundant (and relatively simple) because you don't want your 50 million dollar satellite shorting out after you launched it up there. And it still gets fucked up sometimes anyway. If your mass market GPU shorts out nobody gives a shit.
>>54578959
Lol, I've 64GB ECC RAM on my Xeon laptop.
>>54578699
Nigga you dumb.
All the heavy numbercrunching is/was done on earth.
>>54582834
>this meme again
>>54581959
How about china ?
Ok i -> [ ]
>>54580448
>using the smiley with a carat nose
>>54578699
Bloatware is very real and encroaching upon any modern computing improvements but make no mistake, giving a 4 bit CPU a list of things to do in sequential order over a deep space input stream is much easier than rendering billions of polys to a screen.
>>54578751
Yeah, considering that all kind of info (lot of books for example) can be found on the net, why would we need computers and internet?
>>54586334
I know, right? I mean, how did people even read before the Internet, right?
>>54578805
Implement a kallman filter in one of these.
Thought so.
>>54578845
>Do you even have the slightest idea of the kind of math that goes into "telling thrusters to fire"?
>doing intensive calculations client side
what are you even doing on /g/
>>54587244
real-time calculations retard
you don't do time sensitive calculation on a remote computer
especially not when the latency is more then a second and you have enough processing power to do them real-time
even an arduino (atmega328) can do them for my quadcopter
>>54579849
I'm a fan of the BSDs, but NetBSD is kind of fucked atm, has been for a very long time, and by some accounts is already dead. This is an old, but good read on it: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2006/09/14/netbsd_future.html
>>54581491
I would just like to interject, what you're referring to as capitalism is actually crony/capitalism, or cronyism+capitalism as I've recently taken to calling it. Capitalism is not an ideology unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully malfunctioning crony system made useful by the crony bankers, lobbyist and vital politicians comprising a full state as defined by the UN.
Many countries malfunction under a modified version of the Crony system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of cronyism which is widely used today is often called “Capitalism”, and many of its citizens are not aware that it is basically the cronyism system, developed by the Crony Project. There really is a Capitalism, and these people are living within it it, but it is just a part of the life they live.
>>54578845
>As always, it's capitalism's fault. Why am I not surprised?
It kind of is. Not that Socialism or Communism would have left us any better off. They are products of 18th and 19th century thought. They've evolved over the years sure, but at the core they are severely outdated, and need to be replaced with something that reflects modern reality.
>>54586940
Indeed, I don't get this planned obsolesce and consumerism bullshit. Those books had all these things too!
>>54578820
>apollo capsules run NetBSD
citation please
>>54588894
Considering that the last Apollo CSM was launched in 1973, it's highly doubtful any form of Unix was used, or even jokingly considered. That was the same period Unix was born. Unix began in '69 but the first published manual wasn't made available to anyone outside of Bell Labs until Nov. '73, the very same year and month the last Apollo CSM was launched. The Apollo Program was mature, and approaching the end by the time Unix was being planned.
Even if someone at NASA had of had the opportunity to read the manual before it's official public release, it's highly doubtful that Unix would have been considered. Both Unix and C at that time were unproven newcomers. No one had any clue that they would turn out to have such a profound influence on the evolution of computers. The creators of C never even intended for it to be used beyond the initial development of Unix. It was merely supposed to be a quick and dirty language that would allow Bell Labs to get a basic OS written quickly.
>>54578699
Reminder:
>not one of these systems was designed or coded by Pajeet
Poo in the RAM
>>54581631
Nice meme post
99% of gaming pc builds posted here have ddr3 with tall heath sinks.
>>54578805
>muh geimu
>>54578699
Or.. it just don't happened.
>>54589476
Yeah I was gonna say, I thought it ran Forth.
>>54578699
>Planned hardware obsolescence and bloatware are the only reasons
So nothing about the fact that our computers don't follow pre-calcul..............................Nope I'm stopping this rant right here. Fuck you and your bait.
This is why we should all use Forth.
>>54578699
>the Sojourner robot that drove across the surface of Mars and delivered geological data data and high-resolution images in full-color stereo.
Wrong, on pretty much everything.
There were only three cameras on Sojourner, two black and white navigation cameras, and a single colour camera at the rear.
The "high resolution" was 484 pixels high by 768 wide, essentially DVD quality.
It was driven remotely, not in any way autonomous, and it went dead after only about 100m traveled.
NASA design their spacecraft for maximum reliability, and minimum weight. Why spend millions getting some company to develop new custom chips every few years when you've already got ones that you know work.
The reason why the Apollo computers were so basic is that they were designed in the mid-1960s, they only did what they had to do, and it was the limit of technology for the day. They had old women wind the ferrite core memory strands by hand, in a loop for a 1, around the loop for a 0, bit by bit.
>>54578845
>Do you even have the slightest idea of the kind of math that goes into "telling thrusters to fire"?
The big "math" is all done on Earth.
Spacecraft computers just tell the rockets to fire.
>>54579637
4chan has always had shitposting. The fucking banners even comment on it.
>>54579462
Are you slightly rused by le 4chan smile? ^)
