What's the difference between Gentoo and Arch, besides Gentoo having tedious compilation?
Gentoomen have slightly longer neckbeards
>>54566212
>>54566212
that's really it. they're both ultra-customizable and viable options for people who want total control. neither are as hard to install or as much of a time sink as the memes might imply.
>>54566327
Someone was salty enough to make this
A lot, Gentoo is all about customization, whilst arch is very anti customization. The arch package manager is a bit more simple, and written in C, whilst the gentoo one is wirtten in python and quite sluggish. PKGBUILDs are pretty much just sh scripts with build instructions and verry little added special functions or variables, whilst ebuilds are full of them.
>>54566212
gentoo has a shit logo
>>54566212
There is no difference. They are the same.
>>54566621
Except for the package managers, USE flags, having to compile the kernel yourself, overlays, the fact that Gentoo builds from source. But yeah, they're basically the exact same OS
>>54566707
Pretty sure they are exactly the same.
Funtoo > Arch > Gentoo >>>>>>> _buntu
>>54566770
Uh-huh
>>54566811
Recommend funtoo as well
Why gentoo/funtoo over arch?
use flags, best thing ever
pro tip
compile with:
march=native -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer
>>54566811
What makes Funtoo better? I understood that the major difference was that Funtoo used git for the portage tree but you can do that with Gentoo now.
>>54566868
it has some of it own tools like epro, bit different overlay system, easier to install. Bit more friendly in general.
>>54566868
That tree is similar but has a few changes making the system just that mire stable and less prone to breakages.
>>54566913
What makes it easier to install?
>>54566913
epro and Funtoo's profile mixins look better than Gentoo's profile method. Neat
ITT: Newfags don't know about calculate linux
Arch has vanilla packages and a binary package manager with a very small pool of packages. A secondary package manager ads to this from AUR but almost half of the packages in AUR are broken and none of them are quality controlled, anyone can submit.
Gentoo on the other hand has a portage tree with shitloads of useful sane patches, is secure and also has decent quality control, way more packages, and generally better support for doing any weird shit you might feel like trying.
>>54566212
Arch
>install package
>configuration files get fucked
Gentoo
>install package
>let's you safely merge new and old config whenever you feel like it
>>54567082
Its a bloat and installing gentoo isnt that hard, do it on another partition from some distro. Slow and easy and while compiling watch series or do your work...
>>54566212
Gentoo is actually stable and has stable packages.
>>54566212
Gentoo is amazing. I can have multiple conflicting versions of packages, or 64 and 32 bit libraries at once. And it's all fine because the programs that depend on specific architectures or specific versions of programs are compiled from source, so portage just links them with the version it knows it depends on.
See https://devmanual.gentoo.org/general-concepts/slotting/ and https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2015-03-28-true-multilib.html
If you've ever had to deal with dependency issues with packages you'll know why this is awesome.
Also being able to manually include (or exclude) certain features from any package or your kernel is extremely useful. For example, I was able to simply remove the SSL heartbeat extension and recompile my packages when the heartbleed vuln came out.
Did I even mention Portage?
>Portage works without any external repo.
>Portage supports using llvm icc etc to build with.
>Portage supports distcc.
>Portage supports slotting of dependencies.(multiple versions of python ruby gtk etc)
>Portage supports multiple kernels BSD Fedora debian etc.
>Portage can thread package installs and downloads
Meanwhile, with Arch
>overzealous autistic fan boys
>"you'll learn how Linux REALLY works!" When it's literally just configuring a package manager and letting scripts do the rest
>offers nothing that minimal net installs already offered for other distros don't
>muh bleeding edge packages!! when you can just install directly from the upstream source in any distro
>only reason to use it is the aur, which is full of broken and unmaintained packages and isn't monitored at all, most "packages" are just a bash script to download the package and it's install script from GitHub
>aur is far worse than Open Build Service, which actually lets you package binaries and programs for multiple distros
It's not the worst distro, but there's nothing it offers that makes it worth using over any other distros and it has the worst fucking user base.
>>54566811
Funtoo is literally gentoo except buggier.
>>54567160
>Portage
>Written in fucking python
>Takes 5 mins to calculate KDE
>Takes 5 hrs to build KDE
>llvm is a useless hipster trash
Kill yourself pasta cuck
>>54567160
you forgot to mention that you can go bleeding edge with gentoo as well just unmask stuff.
>>54567190
Yes but it does more than any other package manager out there.
>>54567190
>>>/fur/
Gentoo is for casual or seasoned Linux users. Even the creator of Gentoo doesn't exclusively use Linux.
Prove me wrong
>>54567190
I know this is hard for an archfag to believe, but most people don't need to install KDE 3 times a day. (also it takes an hour tops, not 5)
>>54566862
But wait. Can't you set compiler flags for any distro?
>>54567238
Yeah wait 20 minutes for the newer dolphin update every single day. Nice logic
>>54566212
none. autism by any other name is still autism
>>54567261
No. Most distros don't compile packages
>>54567261
Yeah you can. but binary distros don't make use of it obviously.
>>54567261
Yes but its more difficult since package managers are binary so you have to actually manually compile every package and to customize packages, you have to mess with makefiles and all that.
>>54567279
t. someone who has used neither
>>54566811
exherbo > funtoo
>>54567160
>fauns over portage
>prolly hasn't even heard of guix
>>54566212
>>54566811
>>54566862
>>54566982
Are there plans to merge Funtoo back in to Gentoo?
>>54567358
Why remove the fun in funtoo?
>>54566327
>>54567226
Heavy wreckage
>>54567358
I doubt it if i remember there were some ideological differences as well...
>>54567358
Not really.
funtoo exists because the gentoo dev was salty about systemd.
>>54567295
You can set persistent flags for arch in makepkg.conf
People, I am the only one who realise that binary packages are almost useless? Except a few basic packages (as in USE independent, e.g. gcc), the result depends greatly by the USE variable. Let's take for example the mod_php package. How useful a binary mod_php will be?
>>54567435
Yes i know but if you want lets say compile gnome without cups then you have to mess with makefiles
>>54567435
Yeah, but pacman does not use these flags, only makepkg does, and makepkg is not really usable as a standalone package manager.
Sure, the extra 2% you gain from optimizing for your CPU is nice, but that's not main the reason to use Gentoo. It's about control. I have two words for the anti-Gentoo critics: "use variables". That's the power of Gentoo, being able to choose whether or not you want to install all of KDE just to get arts, or whether you want to enable gnome support in Abiword. No RPM-based distro can do that.
What are some good global USE flags to turn on?
>>54567190
I essentially started using Gentoo because my fucking KDE clock would never show the right time in Red Hat.
>>54566212
Arch is for low IQ and overweight users who think they have high IQs
Gentoo is for high IQ users who are smart enough to make their distro "too hard" for plebs so they can filter out faggots who are too dumb and lazy to RTFM before asking for help.
>>54567404
Ok let me try the fun too$ vi /etc/portage/repos.conf/gentoo.conf
[DEFAULT]
main-repo = gentoo
[gentoo]
location = /usr/portage/
sync-type = git
sync-uri = https://github.com/funtoo/ports-2012.git
auto-sync = true
>>54567738
There is nothing difficult about gentoo everybody with reading comprehension of 12 year old and patience can do it. You have entire handbook to show you how.
Arch uses some scripts to make installation a little less autism triggering.
>>54566541
Says the one with the fat obese nigger under his logo
>>54566212
Arch: binary packages
Gentoo: source packages
>>54567276
I upgraded to KDE5 yesterday. Dolphin took < 3min to install.
>>54566232
Underrated
>>54566811
No senpai
Funtoo > Gentoo > Crux > Ubuntu > Arch
Gentoo actually works.
>>54571899
>Ubuntu
