What's wrong with systemd?
Does not include an Office suite
>>54491003
It has this bug that causes a lot of systemd-related shitposts to print to 4chan.
>>54491003
The main thing wrong with systemd is that it allows computers to start up much more quickly. This is undesireable for may reasons far too complex to enumerate. Next it simplifies the boot process, again this is so shit but for too many reasons to enumerate. Thirdly it was written by very intelligent people who far exceed the abilities of the mediocrity they are surrounded by: Undesireable for obvious reasons. So, in conclusion it is obvious why systemd is shit if you read about it.
>>54491018
kek
>>54491054
Top Kek
People didn't like it being forced on them
The condescending attitude of the systemd maintainers
It works and it was developed by a corporation, ignoring the fact that every worthwhile thing in the Linux world was achieved due to some evil faceless corporation.
>>54491103
How is it being forced ?
>>54491003
What's wrong with systemd?
It works great. Hopefully that will get patched in a future release.
it's a meme
>>54491003
It's a bloated NSA honeypot
>>54491114
>being
It's long been done and dusted. Years ago. They didn't want to wait for organic adoption, so they went about it their own way, a more hostile and undemocratic way.
>>54491003
>What's wrong with systemd?
Idk, i like it but a common complaint i hear is that it tries to be the operating system. I think this is mostly autistic semantics though. Similar to the free vs non-free software crowd like Debian does
>>54491141
Who ? Independent distro maintainers ?
I highly doubt anyone forced anything to you and last I checked "choice" is still one of the main attractions of Linux.
>>54491003
Too little too late. Linux innovation grinned to a halt a dozen years ago and it's just not good enough anymore compared to modern OSes. systemd is a just a band-aid at this point.
>>54491174
The only distro that matters.
>>54491189
I'd say the opposite is actually true. This year I have been able to switch to Linux for more than 6 months and stay productive. I now treat my Windows partition as I would a console (which ironically is what Microsoft wants out of Windows 10).
Up until now Linux was too rough around the edges for me to use in a production environment and not have it crap out randomly.
>>54491199
Red Hat/Fedora?
>>54491189
Do you get your news solely from /g/ ?
>>54491018
first post best post
op here, i don't even know what systemd is
>>54491262
In the late 90s you could use linux as your main workstation for most dev-related work without any issue. Now outside of the cheapest-tier hosting for pajeet-powered outsourced crud monkey coding it's basically useless. So you really have it backwards.
>>54491114
It's the only option for most major distros (not Gentoo). It's impossible to change without great difficulty. Other projects have been joined into systemd and some stuff relies on it.
>>54491788
You're still not being forced to do anything and alternatives exist.
>>54491799
I am being forced to use it if I want to use any major distribution (aside from Gentoo).
>>54491806
>if I want
>>54491114
>How is it being forced ?
can you not feel the poettering cock being thrust down your throat?
>>54491866
It's not being forced if I consciously chose to chug it down by picking a systemd distro.
You guys have a very gnu sense of freedom and choice.
>>54491834
who is this south pacific ponytail puller?
>>54491003
Nothing, I quite enjoy using the systemd operating system.
>>54491131
LEL
>>54491003
Not UNIX compliant.
I don't get it, Linux should not be POSIX compliant as well. It's a monolithic kernel
>>54491003
People would rather be forced to use sysvinit, it seems.
The truth is that most people who say they dont like it are bullshitters that wouldnt know their arse from their elbow. They bleat on and on and on endlessly repeating long dogmatic speeches about how systemd fucks this up and systemd fucks that up. The bottom dollar though is that they just dont like change, especially if that change proves to them how dumb they are. Mostly the people who dont like it are the ones who suddenly had their crappy boot scripts and other shitty programs suddenly replaced by something better. NOW THAT DID MAKE THEM LOOK DUMB!
itt:
>>54491003
This is mostly speculation but from my own research I got the impression that Red Hat tried to gain control over the kernel source but Linus being Linus was like "fuck off I don't care about your crap", so instead Red Hat sneakily created systemd under the guise of an init system to wrap around the kernel allowing it to gain some traction in directing how userspace application develop, and conversely, having major distribution dependent on it would allow it to exert some pressure for steering the direction of kernel development.
I would also wager it is intentionally made nearly impossible to fork by having a shitty unmaintainable codebase blob despite being open source in order to prevent Red Hat from losing control over it.
>>54491980
>it's open source
>but it's not real open source
>it's an improvement
>but it's not a real improvement
(cont from >>54491980 )
So the problem with systemd is that is was never intended to be good software that actually solves problems in an elegant and correct way, it is a piece of stealth political corporate software that simply needed to be good enough at one or two things that non-technical end users can see (muh startup times) so that it could be pushed aggressively for adoption.
Systemd itself isn't bad
But the way it is growing and more packages depending on it is really bad.
1. It becomes a honeypot for security breaches
2. If somehow it crashes with a bug the whole Linux system crashes as well
Now, one of the good things about GNU/Linux is the amount of replaceable options. If something gets hit by a 0-day or a critical bug you can always replace it until it gets fixed. The ever growing systemd dependencies is actually bad
Red Hat please stop your nonsense. Don't listen to your prajeet devs
>>54492060
>>54492062
this. 95% of the people complaining probably have no idea how an init system works and what makes a good or a bad one. But they don't need to, because it's not what they are complaining about (let's ignore that there are also people knowledgable about init systems complaining about the way systemd does init). The problem most people see with systemd is pic related, it accumulates and ships countless projects it has no business fiddling with, probably for purely political reasons (if it made meaningful sense from a technical standpoint it probably would have happened long ago). This supposedly pure userspace program has incorporated and now ships a bootloader, ffs.
>>54491262
>Up until now Linux was too rough around the edges for me to use in a production environment and not have it crap out randomly.
I think distributions are rougher around the edges now than they were 10-15 years ago. I enjoyed using RedHat 9 and Fedora Core, they were easy to use, and did what you'd expect from a modern system. Games were native ports using an opengl engine instead of cheap ports using a directx-wrapper. GNOME and other desktop environments used to be good.
he has a very punchable face
>>54492134
And that bootloader works great just like every other component. Just embrace it already, you're living in the age of systemd's reign
>>54491941
monolithic IS unix
The best way to compromise the security of a system is to force a component that isn't easily changed.
That's what systemd is.
>>54492370
That's what linux is.
>>54492370
I can bet my ass you can't change anything in the kernel or the GNU coreutils. I doubt it has stopped you from using them though.
>>54492380
Trusting Linux is a thing of trusting 1 man.
Trusting systemd is a thing of trusting a field of retards.
Quite a difference.
>>54492176
Yeah, those were the times. In those days spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
>>54492425
>Trusting Linux is a thing of trusting 1 man.
Are you just shitposting or are you really that clueless about linux?
>>54492425
linux is written by a field of retards; no difference
>>54492425
You're retarded
I don't use systemd the same reason i don't use Windows 10.
I don't trust the people behind either.
>>54492449
>muh tinfoil
>>54492436
No. I am dickposting. I thought you systemd users would understand.
>>54492425
Linus no longer reviews all the code that goes into the kernel.
>>54492457
Speak whatever you want. Won't change a thing.
Did you also call people tinfoils before Snowden happened?
You must have felt like an idiot afterwards. Mainly because you are one.
>>54492457
>Using tinfoil to insult someone complaining about Windows 10
>>54492468
Seriously?
>>54492481
>I can't read
>>54492380
It's a problem with Linux as well, but we don't all have a solid alternative yet.
>>54492481
That's systemd users for you.
Or rather, that's RedHat employees for you, since there are a few of them posting on /g/ which has been confirmed.
You can smell the excrement off of them from a thousand miles away.
>>54492427
Not only that, but the bundled wallpapers were better too. That picture of the sky with birds in it that came with RedHat 9 was awesome.
>>54492474
>Did you also call
yes
>You must have felt
no, stop projecting
>>54492490
>I'm so dumb I can't even use a search engine
>>54492513
You didn't feel like an idiot after you were proven wrong?
Well, i guess that makes sense. Someone who is mentally retarded can not grow a self-awareness to fix that problem.
>>54492503
>someone made fun of me
>I bet it's some jewish conspiracy!
Yes, anon. We're all shills and want to know what porn you're watching.
>>54492501
>technology illiterate
>>54492528
RedHat employee confirmed.
The most useless job on this planet, that comes with the stench of poo.
Welp /g/, now you know who the ones jewing systemd on /g/ are.
>>54492521
>you were proven wrong
I wasn't proven wrong; snowden didn't say anything about systemd
>>54492531
>not spending days setting up my shitpost machine
>technology illiterate
>>54492542
>confirmed
so easy for retards to confirm anything
systemd is basically bringing Windows 10 to the Linux environment.
If i wanted Windows 10, i'd just go install Windows 10.
Fuck off RedHat faggots. And stop scouring through random trash bins on the streets you fucking furryfaggot racoon wannabes.
>>54492553
>reading comprehension too
>>54492565
>I don't have a clue
>I like anime tho
>>54492567
What do you mean? Linux has FOSS alternatives but they aren't a good option for many people.
>>54492565
>i'd just go install Windows 10
ok
>>54492528
>Yes, anon. We're all shills and want to know what porn you're watching.
Advertising firms wouldn't mind paying you to want to know what porn i'm watching,
so forgive me for finding you to be an untrustworthy piece of trash.
>>54492599
>muh tinfoil is really thick
wew
>>54492607
>i-i am not a pedophile; i just enjoy watching kids in the playground
wew
>>54492623
>projecting my concerns
we know, anon, we know
>>54492634
Oh, so you are a pedo?
Well why didn't you say so sooner?
>>54491003
I don't need systemd.
Next question.
>>54492581
>You don't have a clue
>I do
XD
Time for you to go back to 9gag
>>54492637
>also illiterate
>>54492661
You are an illiterate pedo? Are you from India by any chance?
>>54492653
>the best I can do
>>54492666
>no more bully, pls, you rekt me too hard already
ok
>>54492668
Not a meme contest, underage fucktard. Get the fuck out
>>54492681
You're an underage fucktard and want to get out? Just close the browser window, kid.
>>54492599
>>54492623
>>54492637
You're a dumbass.
The lack of freedom of choice to run any of the major distros except Debian and Gentoo without it.
When something castrates freedom of choice, it is a piece of shit.
Whether it's a piece of shit because the devs are retarded, or because it's by design, is another topic.
>>54492694
Oh? Hit a nerve? You gotta be 18 to be posting here
>>54492733
>the lack of freedom of choice to run Windows XP with Service Pack 2
that's how retarded you sound
>>54492741
You're not 18+? Time to go, famalam!
>>54492733
>>54492752
Debian comes with systemd and can easily run without it.
Your post lacks any sense and has no relevance to the topic at hand.
>>54492733
>I want the freedom to decide what others MUST do to please me
fuck off
>>54492733
>The lack of freedom of choice to run any of the major distros except Debian and Gentoo without it.
>I have choices
>but I don't like them
>so I'll just pretend I'm forced and straight up ignore any and all answers to my retarded demands
>>54492773
Well the good thing is that there is Gentoo and Debian to enable me to have what i want.
So what you personally do is irrelevant and worthless to me.
>>54492784
>i have choices
>but i don't like it that they are shrinking and that for some reason Debian is capable of enabling the choice but other distros aren't
>are the distros shit, or are the systemd devs shit?
>important question because i don't want shit devs working with shit skills on a distro i use
>>54492802
>but i don't like it that they are shrinking and that for some reason Debian is capable of enabling the choice but other distros aren't
So you want to enslave some developers and force them to develop your flavour of Linux ? Fork it yourself.
>are the distros shit, or are the systemd devs shit?
No, anon, it is you who is shit.
>important question because i don't want shit devs working with shit skills on a distro i use
Don't use it then. You don't sound like someone who contributes so I doubt they'll be offended if you fuck off to Haiku.
>>54492761
>M-May be I'll call YOU underage
Go cry to your mommy, little babby. You don't wanna be around pedos XDD
>>54492802
>important question
make you own, entitled prick
>>54492822
You're a little baby AND a pedo?
>>54492821
>So you want to enslave some developers and force them to develop your flavour of Linux?
I wouldn't mind doing exactly that.
It's how RedHat, OpenSuse, and Ubuntu, operate.
Lennart's reputation and general attitude, really. If anyone else had done it it wouldn't have gotten as much flak.
Some people dislike the idea of binary logs.
It's actually nice: systemd is the best Linux init system framework, and I've tried most of them.
I like the /bin and /sbin symlink idea too, and the read-only /use (I symlink /usr/local to /opt).
manjaro doesn't use systemd, right? i would check their wiki but... you know.
>>54492840
It has an OpenRC version last I checked. Arch can pull it off anyway but it's quite a hassle.
In any case, it's not a lack of choice that forces people to shitpost, I think we've established that.
>>54492838
You got that wrong, shitkit: they PAY them. But you can do the same: pay the developers for a distro to your liking. They can start right away, the code is open.
>>54492835
If I say I am a pedo, why are you the one who's getting scared?
FYI I like boipucci as well.
>>54492877
You're scared?
>ITT: retard vs retard
What's wrong with systemd is that it is run by an effeminate retard who blames everyone but himself for his lacking self-esteem and mental shortcomings.
Also RedHat is filled with fedora tipping poo-in-the-loos, and is a distro nobody gives a single shit about.
When you have a group of monkeys working on a distro nobody gives a shit about, you are bound to have a chimpout. systemd represents the soccer ball in the soccer chimpout match.
>>54491312
GENTOO
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N
T
O
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Whenever I'm losing an argument, I just shitpost at the other guy until he stops replying. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that does this.
>>54492907
>REEEEEEEEE
ok
>>54492887
No. But apparently you are
>>54492912
>losing arguments on 4chan
laddie...
OP here, looking at the thread I realize that the systemd discussion is very dumb and I apologize for making this thread. I just thought there was a good reason why people keep talking shit about it.
>>54492948
Why are you scared?
>>54491174
Hey retard, if literally (and I mean literally) everything has it as a dependency, you don't have a choice. Retards like you are how these things happen.
>>54492944
I'd "reeeeee" if RedHat had any relevance and Poettering didn't look and act like a butch feminists with PMS;
however nobody actually gives a shit about RedHat, and Poettering is exactly as described.
So i find your post deprecated.
>>54492961
Just said I'm not. Still in primary school?
Delicious
>>54492962
>if literally
>if
is the boogeyman out to get you?
>>54492964
>REEEEEEEEEEEE++
>>54492970
What are you doing on 4shin if you're still in primary school?
>>54492978
Keep chimping.
>>54492985
Looking for your boipuccy. Bend over
>>54492962
>you don't have a choice
Oh, but I do; what you meant to say is that retards such as yourself are fucked. Sucks to be you, but we don't cater to retards.
>>54491114
you cant install new gnome without it, also many other things. try installing debian stable in a VM and replacing systemd.
>>54493046
Wayland
>>54493046
>cant install new gnome without it
you're wrong, stop getting your information from blog posts written by retards
>>54493088
Not him but GNOME without systemd is pretty much a guaranteed system breakage
>one day something better than systemd arrives to the block
>nobody can implement it because systemd went from being a tumor into a full blown cancer that can't be removed
>the whole Linux environment suffers ever more than it already does with the kernel's own shit
Basically, systemd is the reason i'm on OS X now.
If i'm going to experience that shit, might as well experience it on a proper OS.
>>54493126
>reason i'm on OS X
no need to lie on the internet, anon
>>54492972
The point is that this hypothetical situation is already happening. All the main DEs and other pieces of important software have systemd as a hard dependency or have dependencies that are being absorbed by systemd. Not even systemd shills try to debate this.
>>54493001
Yeah, I can install Gentoo. That's beside the point.
The distributions that we need to back to get Linux pushed to mainstream viability (which is what we need if we want to see software like Creative Suite, ProTools, Cummins INSITE, Solidworks, etc.) have bought in to systemd. There's no reason in pushing for software to run on a superior platform to Windows if you have to turn the platform in to the shit show you're trying to replace.
See the forest from the trees.
>>54491003
It hasn't replaced upstart, sysv and other retarted shit fully yet
>>54493376
>to get Linux pushed to mainstream viability
you can't do that without systemd, you retard
>waaaaaah, we need more adoption
>here's systemd to make everything coherent and guarantee stuff works seamlessly
>waaaaaah, not like that
put in the required work or fuck off
>>54492425
>Trusting systemd is a thing of trusting a major computer corporation with political profit-oriented goals.
Fix'd. It's essentially like trusting Microsoft, except RH publishes their source. Let's not pretend any outsiders actually read it.
>>54493046
Latest news: OpenBSD adopts systemd: https://www.bsdfrog.org/tmp/gnome320.webm
>>54491003
Malware and botnet. Don't respect your freedom.
>>54491003
Not named initiald, that was a missed opportunity.
>>54494147
>RH
>major computer corporation
>major
KEK
Neither are they a major corporations, nor does RedHat have any relevant quantitative adoption rate among the Linux userbase as a whole.
>>54494794
systemd is more than init
>>54494879
Multinationals with $1B+ revenue aren't major corporations?
>>54492839
Fuck off redhat shill
>>54494897
"initiald" is as well
it's "iald" more
>>54495320
>DELETE THIS
why so salty, lad?
>>54492839
Clearly you have't tried runit then
>>54492840
Regular Manjaro is systemd. It has an OpenRC pseudo-fork it shares a forum with.
