>Nvidiots on suicide watch
Remember, no DirectX12
>>54445375
how can nvidia get away with this? are fanboys this fucking blind?
>inb4 amdrone
I'm using a GTX 670
>>5444532
AMD
>18% market share
>relevant brand
Now pick one
>inb4 consoles run on AMDs
Even if Pascal comes out without any DX12 support it will mean nothing, because Nvidia will simply push devs into not using DX12 at all.
>mfw they have had 5 years to come up with support
>still nothing
Notice how they dont show any dx12 games in the videos or charts? They just skip over it and demo vulkan
AHHAHAHAHAHA
>>54445410
>Even if Pascal comes out without any DX12 support it will mean nothing, because Nvidia will simply push devs into not using DX12 at all.
Oh yeah because that worked so well for DX10.1 and 11? oh wait a minute.
Dumbfuck.
kind of ironic nvidia used to be at the forefront of this tech back in 2007 and now they literally havent changed the design since.
Well sure ok AMD hasnt really changed theirs since 2012 but sill thats a big gap
>>54445449
>Nvidia is shit and AMD is less shit
9/10 argument
AMD sucks dicks in DX11 and if Nvidia says so, it will have to continue doing that.
>>54445505
>if Nvidia says so
how can you be such a cuck?
remember no market share
>>54445326
>nvidia relases info about new card, totally BTFO anything AMD has price/perf, the only thing AMD worked for poorfags
>AMD cucks start memespowting
business as usual, stay poor and mad retards
>>54445605
AMD gets cucked by MS and Sony, selling low end APUs aka consoles for factory price not earning a single shekel for last three years.
Yet you dare to call cuck anything related to Nvidia.
>>54445654
>price/perf
>Nvidia
is this opposite day?
>GTX 1080 outperforms 2 980s in SLI.
>No directx12
>Who gives a shit, dx12 looks like shit anyway and requires win10
>>54445708
>>GTX 1080 outperforms 2 980s in SLI.
>believing "relative" graph from nvidia
>no settings knows
>could have used 4K to gimp the 980 since it doesn't have enough memory for 4K and performance would cripple
>>54445708
Not mentioning that dx12 and async requires low level implementation which requires days of work and judging from lack of optimisation in last years there is no chance of dx12 revolution happening.
>>54445724
>4k doesn't cripple the 1080 and still outperformed a Titan X in whatever test they used
>>54445783
the 1080 is made with 4K in mind, and has a lot more vram (and faster vram) made for 4K/VR
Even the 980Ti fucked the Titan X. Titan X was a jew scheme from Nvidia to milk the gullible retards of their cash.
>>54445805
>Two to Three times the VR/multi-monitor performance
>>54445837
you really don't understand that the comparison between 980 and 1080 is entirely unfair, don't you?
are you 12?
>>54445805
>jew
>shekels
>cash
>expensive
>bang for buck
>price per perfromance
Why dont you just get a job instead of trying to excuse your lack of income.
>AMD jehovah's witnesses in full damage control since the announcement
Loving
Every
Laugh
>>54445891
only a neet doesn't care about wasting his money, because he didn't work for his neetbux
>>54445746
This is the point that the amd cultists will never want to touch. It's more than clear that devs don't care about optimization here and it's already known directx 12 requires a good chunk of effort, yet these retards think that devs are suddenly not only abandon their standard and well known dx11 procedures, but also start working their asses off when they have a history of the contrary AND all of this to optimize things for an irrelevant brand with like + - 12% market share, which in turn will supposedly make performance worse for everyone else.
It's hilarious to see people believing this lunacy.
>>54445326
I'll consider buying an 1070 ( I have gtx 770 now )
when it gets very very very cheap.
>>54445956
$379
>>54445983
I'll buy it for 190 usd.
I don't play video games.
I don't feel the urgency to upgrade all the time, it'll be a nice boost and that's all + less power consumption can never hurt.
>>54446002
>I'll buy it for 190 usd.
LOL good luck
they wont even be that price used for like 2-3 years
Even if AMD cant quite beat it i am getting a 490x anyway just to play around with.
>>54446047
In my country 770 is selling for 150€ righ now.
970 went to 250€-280€ right after Nvidia presentation (while still on warranty for 2+ years)
If he waits for 2 generations he might be able to pull it off, but by then the card will be really obsolete
>>54446099
what country?
>>54446047
In my country even 970 now sells for 190 usd because there's always a company or some guy that buys the video card on company and cannot return it back so he is forced to sell it.
But I told you i will wait 1 year - 2 years no problem with that :). I don't feel the urge to upgrade.
I'll probably find it for 190 - 210 usd 6 months to 1 year after official release.
>>54446099
Obsolete for what? Gaming? I don't play video games.
>>54446151
Eastern Europe slavic shithole. Low minimal wage, low cost stuff. 300€ is actually great amount of money to some.
>>54445940
This is not a point people ignore, it's well known that good DX12 implementations aren't going to be showing up overnight. People are instead talking about things on the long term as most people don't swap out their GPU every year. Performance 2-3 years down the line matters no matter how much people like you try to focus on the shorter term.
>>54445940
The part that you're missing is the consoles running AMD hardware have the real market share and as long as that is the case, AMD hardware will remain relevant to devs. As much as it seems crazy to us, PC gamers are the real minority.
>>54446340
Who gives a shit about low end low cost APU. Consoles will be overthrown by Smartphone/Tablet market.
>>54445326
dude, no dx12
you had one job
Those cores are weak as fuck on their own. Why would you even want to bother with asynchronous computing on a GPU?
>>54446429
so hard
>>54445654
Does this faggot know what Price/performance means? The answer is no.
Just because Pascal costs more does not mean it's a better value.
>>54446499
Because AMD cards are idling most of the time, kinda like their CPUs.
>tfw the benchmarks show Polaris btfo-ing Pascal in DX12 games
>>54445326
It's not really a problem because DX12 is irrelevant and Vulkan still needs some work before being used
And in a few years their next architecture will likely support it
>>54446634
>It's not really a problem because DX12 is irrelevant
>this is what nvidiots believe
>>54445326
>amd pretty much having vulkan built with mantle
>nvidia embracing the vulkan future
>microshills are this butthurt that opengl successor will be the new king and that no one cares about DX12
>>54446656
They won't consider it relevant until Nvidia starts beating or matching AMD in low API benchmsrks
>>54446672
for games, the market is almost exclusively on consoles, the pc market is insignificant. and all consoles run AMD. Nvidia hardware will be ignored, unless they continue to pay devs for cancerous gameworks tessellation gimping, which might not even matter anymore with new AMD cards
>>54446672
DX12 will be irrelevant for 5+ years because it's Windows 10 only
It may even stay irrelevant if Vulkan improves a bit
>>54446601
>tfw AMD will call Nvidia, yell BAZINGA and hang up while Nvidia hangs himself
>>54445326
>GTX 1070
>70$ more than Polaris 10
>7.5Gb+0.5Gb
>No Async Compute, No DirectX12
Gimped by Spring 17 when full Pascal releases, screencap and mark my words.
where is this no directx 12 meme coming from
>>54446759
From the fact Nvidia's cards perform so poorly in DX12 that 390X trades blows with the 980ti
>>54446735
>>7.5Gb+0.5Gb
is this for reals? did they fuck up the vram again?
>>54446759
reality
>>54446735
I used google image search to find the source of this picture. Google put the tag "tree" on this. I had to look for minutes just to figure out that there is really a tree.
also PLEASE source
>>54446735
>reverse image search brings up pictures of trees
kek
AMD damage control failing hard
>2100mhz
>67c
>double the performance of a titan x
>600 dollars
>suicide watch
>but muh hbm
AMD shills pls go, AMD is done
>>54446998
>Polaris 10 isn't even GDDR5X
>smaller die size = less transistors
>less transistors = less performance
>1070 can beat a 980 Ti
>Polaris 10 is aiming for "390X" performance
Dead on Arrival
>>54446998
>double the performance of a titan x
no goy, it's sextuple, trust me, I swear on muh six trillion
>AMD has good DX 12 Perf
>Dx12 is win10 only
Fuck
>>54447059
AMD cuck detected
How's that 7970 treating you?
:^)
never forget
>>54446695
made me laugh when i grabbed it
Forgive my ignorance, but what's the source on 1080 not having DX12?
>Even if Pascal comes out without any DX12 support it will mean nothing, because Nvidia will simply push devs into not using DX12 at all.
That's a good thing
>>54447150
there isn't any source. There's proof of games running Vulkan on the new cards which is essentially the same as dx12.
you're just hearing ayymdrone memes
>>54447180
>Nvidia will simply push devs into not using DX12 at all
now that is yes
>>54447150
AMD retards saying nvidia will have problems with DX12 with their GTX1080 since the GTX980 TI doesn't perform well with DX12, as opposed to AMD Fury X or what ever they have.
+Nvidia didn't mention it's directX performance at all yesterday, but LinusTechTipps guy asked them about it later.
just watch this @4:56min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WnmZwChW_s&t=4m55s
>>54446839
Search curvyberlin on facebook. You are welcome.
>>54447308
>>54446841
>>54446839
>>54446735
Does AMD have something to compete with Cuda?
Can AMD into Hyperthreading GPU?
>>54448515
That's essentially what async compute is
How will the release of Polaris and Pascal affect 1080p 60 hz gaming? The 1070 and 1080 seem overkill for those purposes. Perhaps in a reduction in prices for the 970 and 390?
>>54448551
1070 and 1080 are for 4K gaming. 1070 for medium end, 1080 for "high" end
>>54445375
>DX12
Irrelevant
>>54445326
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-1080-asynchronous-compute/
>>54448815
into the trash it goes
doesn't anyone think the model numbers are fucking stupid?
>GPU made for 4K
>is named 1080
>>54448828
there is no way nvidia will fuck this up
they can't be that stupid
well it's not like I depend on them
>>54448907
notice also, no DX12 games in their "relative meme graph"
>>54448919
not memeing, but is there even a DX12 game that has any sort of major name recognition?
>>54448828
http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/a-quantum-leap-in-gaming:-nvidia-introduces-geforce-gtx-1080
>New asynchronous compute advances improve efficiency and gaming performance.
>>54448844
They'll probably call the new Titan the "Titan 4K" or something like that.
>>54448919
they already showed it running the full vulkan api. vulkan = dx12
I'll wait until 3rd party benchmarks are out to make any kind of judgement. I need a new card this year so I hope it's as good as their marketing.
>>54448919
Vulkan will be the last nail in the coffin for Microsoft.
>>54448919
Only 9 days to go till we see first benchmarks.
soon
>>54448844
If you're an autistic faggot
>>54445505
>Nvidia is shit and AMD is less shit
I mean, he's not wrong.
>>54445654
Nvidia dominates top end, but to say they have better price/performance across the board is pretty retarded.
>>54446340
Too true. You guys need to get out of your bubbles more often.
>>54445326
I don't understand Nvidia. It's like they spent their entire R&D budget in marketing.
>>54448828
>wccf tech
literally neogaf tier
>>54447096
Isn't the 7970 still considered a damn capable card for its age, or am I out of the loop?
>>54447120
>I'm not so desperate as to do this thing I am actively describing and assuring you I am not doing and would never do, cross my heart and hope to die.
Source for this?
>>54449220
It is but 1070 will be something on level with Quadro K6000, lower power consumption - so no only you get gaming improvements but you can also use it for professional rendering and 3d works.
>>54445420
>DirectX 12
proprietary ms-only garbage
vulkan is the future
>>54449237
don't forget the reaction
>>54449246
Well, sure. But comparing that to a card from 5 years ago doesn't seem to mean much.
>>54448960
>vulkan = dx12
>>54449240
base 2 base 10 confusion
7680 MiB is 8 GB
>>54446601
source
>>54446634
DX12 has been out for literally 2 nVIdia GPU archectures they're not fixing it until they realize that their shit would work better with it
>>54449323
Anyway, source?
>>54449309
So two sock puppet fanboy faggots, one from each side. What's your point?
>>54449322
are you thick? they function exactly the same. one just happens to be open source.
>>54449338
source - /g/
>>54449317
Well the 1070 is going close to triple the gtx 970 power, so I don't really get what you mean tho.
Now really an enthusiast game myself but 1070 is going to be a nice upgrade for people that do digital work and occasional gamers that still prefer graphics.
>>54449309
Why is everyone on that discussion so angry? Why do people insult each other based on what video cards they use?
>>54449359
>Well the 1070 is going close to triple the gtx 970 power
lmao nvidia housefires inc
>>54449364
Post purchase rationalization
>>54449359
Okay. I'm hype too. But ragging on a 5 year old card that's held up better than most to make your point seems a bit silly.
>>54449322
Oh right, Vulkan is far superior.
>>54449339
>So two sock puppet fanboy faggots, one from each side.
all i see is an amd user, who posted proof of his setup with the time included, telling everyone about the bad experiences he had and a buttblasted amdrone fanboy getting so worked up about his beloved amd being talk down that he had to falseflag just to feel better.
>>54449388
talked down*
>>54449322
Vulkan = Mantle = Dx12
>BUT THEY SHOWED THE 1080 RUNNING DOOM AT 200FPS THE HIGHEST FPS IN HISTORY OF HUMANITY
Fury X will probably run Doom at 200fps too.
>>54449388
I'm not a fanboy for either side. But it's pretty obvious you are.
>>54445410
But shouldn't we all want vulkan?
>>54449424
>calling someone out for false flagging means you're a fanboy
ok mate, ok.
>fanboys will still waste their money on the overpriced meme card
>>54447120
I've had a 290 for over year now and never had any of those issues. Not saying he never had any problems with his card, but it's retarded for nvidiots like
>>54449388 to wave it around like it must be the truth for all 390s and AMD users are in denial.
![jackie-chan-how-to-do-action-comedy-443372[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qFLefd5.jpg "jackie-chan-how-to-do-action-comedy-443372[1].jpg")
>>54449433
>advocating for propriety software over open source
>nu /g/
>>54449382
Yea that's why I still use an gtx 770 and will upgrade to 1070 in 2 years when it will sell for 190 usd.
>>54449414
DX12 is probably inferior to Vulkan considering DX12 is developed by just Microsoft, while Vulkan is developed by Intel, AMD, Nvidia, etc etc.
>>54449446
>calling out one of two false flaggers means your'e [sic] a fanboy
FTFY
>>54449485
Is that the same BASED Chinaman that shamed an African with facts?
>>54449518
Ok, well cool... So why were you busting his balls like that made him poor or inferior if you're about the same? I don't really care, just struck me as odd.
>>54449541
>not recognizing Lao Yang
shame on you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0C4_88ub_M
>>54449486
>to wave it around like it must be the truth for all 390s and AMD users are in denial.
that's not the point, retard. the point is that amd users couldn't accept this being true even though a simple google search can prove his problems are legitimate issues for many people. they even resorted to falseflagging (badly) to make themselves feel better, which is what's being called out here. are you unironically defending >>54449309
>>54449538
Huh, guess you had spelled it right after all. I think I just developed dyslexia.
>>54449562
brb, Flagging that video for blatant racism and cultural rape
>>54449538
>the guy telling everyone his 390 problems is a false flagger
spotted the amd fanboy.
>>54449584
kill yourself, nigger
>>54449553
yea well I dunno I wanted to formulate it more as an update over what will 1070 will offer because some people will build computers this year and they will have all the reasons to go with 1070.
For some of us that got good hardware many years ago and they don't feel the urgency to upgrade indeed there's no reason.
Also why stop technology advancing? Even if next year a new video card shows up with not amazing upgrades compared to last year model but sells for the same price or even cheaper.. then what's the problem?
>>54449586
>the guy telling everyone his 970 problems is a false flagger
Found the hypocrite.
>muh async
stealing half the GPUs resources to run a compute shader is extremely retarded and counterintuitive to any parallel code in the history of writing parallel code. the ONLY reason you see any benefit from this at all on an AMD GPU is because part of the SPs are soft disabled ('reserved') for compute, on the equivalent NVIDIA GPU you would get full utilization.
>>54449566
So you're saying all people who had issues with the 970 are AMD false flaggers?
>>54449601
>first guy posts proof
>time
>date
>emails
>f-false flagger
>second guy posts 0 (zero) proof
>actual evidence of him being a false flagger after his massive apostrophe fuckup
>h-he's not a false flagger guys, i-i swear
end yourself.
>>54449640
Try harder next time, and maybe you won't get called out, faggot. Maybe you're a false flag! Maybe I am! WooooOOOOOoooo! Scary!
>>54449626
are you saying >>54449309 is not a false flagger, even after the evidence presented?
>>54449621
not to mention that running both tasks concurrently would hog GPU cache, resulting in diminished performance for both tasks.
>>54449665
found the assblasted amdrone still defending false flagging.
>>54449525
Microsoft can't even copy paste the Mantle API docs correctly
>>54449688
I'm probably going to buy a 1070 or 1060, depending on how things play out, you fanboy faggot.
>>54448944
they said the same about their async compute driver update. Even with the 1070 and 1080 async compute will only be emulated on the software side.
They probably hope that polaris 10 is not the same performance tier as the 1070 so the lack of async won't be noticeable by pure performance numbers.
>>54449719
>fanboy
i've owned ati/amd gpu's since 2006 up until last september, retard. that's still not the issue here. how you just sit by and let these shill fanboy amdrones (or nvidrones if they did it) ruin this board with constant false flagging without calling it out is beyond me. /g/ is quickly becoming /v/ with mass fanboy false flagging in every thread and i'm apparently a 'faggot' for calling it out.
>>54445375
What the hell are you talking about?
No DX12? What? I thought DX12 would work with my GTX 970 :(
>>54449804
>They probably hope that polaris 10 is not the same performance tier as the 1070 so the lack of async won't be noticeable by pure performance numbers.
it isn't noticable in the first place. AMD does not outperform NVIDIA in DX12 and Vulkan games, the low overhead just allowed them to become more competitive.
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-nv-glvk&num=2
>>54449804
>they said the same about their async compute driver update. Even with the 1070 and 1080 async compute will only be emulated on the software side.
Unrelated question but what is async compute actually used for?
Are there any programs that need it?
>>54449804
they would be stupid to mention it if it wasn't fully supported in hardware. it'll make things worse for them if they mention it when everyone expects it to be done in hardware but then everyone finds out its still done in software. i'll bet good money on it being fully supported on the hardware side.
>>54449872
AMD drivers on Linux have always been shit, find me a benchmark on Windows.
>>54445672
Didnt microshekel buy AMD last october?
>>54449917
>Windows
Irrelevant OS
>>54449961
Nice meme lincuck
>>54449917
>windows
>amd
>>>/r/india
>>54449878
it's a massive meme and no games will make use of it unless it's amd sponsored.
http://wccftech.com/async-compute-boosted-hitmans-performance-510-amd-cards-devs-super-hard-tune/
>>54449825
>my opinion from 10 years ago is still relevant
>pls validate my purchase /g/
>>54450081
>>54446340
>>54449144
Looks like about 55 million Xbones and PS4s have been sold in total, as of late January.
27 million active daily players play league of legends, and in surveys ~21% of online players would "like to play league." That gives us a rough estimate of ~100 million PC gamers.
Back in feb 2015 steam reportedly had 125 million active users.
Back in late 2014 Intel claimed there were 711 million PC gamers. Now this seems pretty high, but it still supports a number of PC gamers above 100 million.
So ~55 million console vs 100 million PC... That's about twice as many PC gamers than console, so what was that about minority?
>>54450199
i agree but don't forget the 260m million ps3, xbox 360 and nintendo wii owners.
>360: ~80m
>ps3: ~80m
>wii: ~100m
How will the release of these cards disminish the cost of the 970 and 390 and similar cards?
>>54447324
jesus what is her armpit even?
it looks like jabba the hut
>>54450487
the 970 is already quite a bit cheaper over here than the 390. i assume it's because nvidia halted 9xx series production recently so retailers are probably trying to clear out stock. i feel the 390 won't drop by much since it hasn't even been out for a whole year yet. it's a fairly new release.
Do async shaders mean more ray tracing used on games in the future? I'm not sure if I have understood what the technology really is.
>>54450622
Not most games. Most games will still rely on basic OpenGL/D3D code with bind shader, render one object, bind next shader, render other object.
I guess some triple A carmack tier game engine might take advantage of this somehow. But I fail to see how async shaders would work in 3d engines. This new API magic is pretty exciting.
