Seriously why couldn't AMD have revealed their cards first?
Now Nvidia stole all the thunder and are going to make a killing in sales.
Because they're not ready. Polaris is a huge change in architecture while pascal is a shrunk Maxwell
>>54443575
If AMD has a fucking epic reveal before Pascal sells, they steal a lot of thunder. Idiots always hype "highest performance"
>>54443575
au contraire, now amd knows the competition prices and can price their cards accordingly, imagine if their greatest new card was $600 because they were confident nvidia's would be over $800, they'd look foolish. Now the R9 480 can actually be priced slightly below nvidia's 1070.
>>54443575
That's not how it works.
>>54443605
But will the R9 480 be able to match the 1070 in performance? Remember this thing is going head to head with a beefier Titan X.
>>54443605
480 is supposed to be above or 980 preformance? Putting it 1070 price is suicide.
I expect $250
>>54443640
480 will probably be just a bit better than the 980.
>>54443640
Most i can give you is 50 dollars
If AMD's mainstream cards are good value, they'll sell a lot. Nvidia is waiting to release the 1060.
>>54443575
They need to perfect their Linux drivers first.
Haha, who am I kidding.
>>54443623
my bet is, like everything amd, it won't, until another generation of nvidia cards roll out and the older ones are gimped. Business as usual.
>>54443659
Exactly this, people spam the gpu threads with and can't compete preformance wise, that's the point. AMD will be trying to be the old 970, a mainstream card that sold shit tons.
There is only 1 simple truth to OP's question.
Anything else is wishful thinking of retarded fanboys.
AMD does not have the resources to push this hard, especially when they are also trying to survive in the CPU market.
It's as simple as that.
>>54443691
>the old 970
That's the 1070 now. It's going to sell like crazy ;_;
>>54443715
Yes, so the only thing amd can hope for is to release a card of lower performance for a lower price, like the 380 is to the 970.
NVIDIA will always come out on top, they're masters at this, amd's aim and their only hope is to survive down in the low end and keep making console cpu/gpu's hoping their apu will someday be worth a damn
But they did during the Capsaicin event.
>>54443715
The 1070 is more expensive then the 970 was.
>>54443847
They will always survive considering they will have the console market on lock. Controlling the console market, gives them an edge on the games being created on them. They will work better at least initially on those games. Since they should be working with game developers for that.
Also their new cpu's and gpu's will be targeting the low end market and mid markets. They should be doing more than just survive. They won't be dominating the market but with these upgrades they should regain some past glory.
Really I am looking to support amd mostly due to, if they go out of business intel and Nvidia will do what Intel has been doing lately. They know they have the market and don't give a fuck about spending big in development.
>>54443575
drivers are proving too hard to write
It doesn't matter what AMD does, Nvidia has the gaymers on lock.
>>54443900
Is the 1070 the 8800 GT all over again?
>>54446732
With of course the 1080 being the 8800 GTX. Good but not worth the price premium.
AMD can release the most powerful cards at any pricepoint, but that won't matter because idiots fall for the nvidia marketing too much.
Oh well.
>>54446854
I'm sick of amd card lag and no drivers.
>>54443575
>Seriously why couldn't AMD have revealed their cards first? Now Nvidia stole all the thunder and are going to make a killing in sales.
So they know exactly what Nvidia is releasing and be able to 1up it, just like when Nvidia stole Fury's thunder by revealing the 980ti.
Besides, Polaris 10 is said to be 980Ti performance in 100W TDP and in the $2-300 price category, so you might not want to jump on the bandwagon just yet.
>>54443693
They aren't really trying in the CPU market
>>54443623
>But will the R9 480 be able to match the 1070 in performance? Remember this thing is going head to head with a beefier Titan X.
1070 was already shown to be 980ti at best and 1080 is 980ti OC level.
If Polaris is 980ti level then with a slight overclock it can compete easily with the 1080. Especially if they'll sell for like $300.
>>54446883
>and no drivers.
http://support.amd.com/en-us/download
>>54443575
What good is a reveal when the cards aren't even ready yet and AMD can do a proper launch at any time if they feel like they needed it because they been sitting on polaris cards for months.
>>54446972
>What good is a reveal when the cards aren't even ready yet
get in first and the bulk of the market's attention is yours
nvidia marketing and pr run rings around amd so much it isn't funny
watch them drop a 1080ti or something in the weeks before amd launches vega to cuck them again
why do you care
Polaris 10 isn't going to best a 1070. It's like 2/3 the size.
>amdcucks believing Polaris will even get in the vicinity of the 1070, not even speaking of the 1080
This will be the final blow for AMD
>>54448084
>1080ti with big Pascal and 8gb HBM2 in early 2017
Literally no way AMD can compete with that
>>54443640
480 is 980 tier. 480x will be close to 980ti.
Where exactly they fit in is anyone's guess at this point because it all depends on clock rates.
>>54447867
It's 3/4 of the size.
20-25% of the 1070's shaders are disabled so they are effectively the same size.
Not to mention Polaris 10 is on a denser node.
>>54447867
>what is Evergreen vs Fermi
>>54449919
>Evergreen shit
>No drivers
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9815/amd-moves-pre-gcn-gpus-to-legacy
>>54449985
OH NO THEY MOVED A 7 YEAR OLD ARCHITECTURE TO LEGACY SUPPORT HOW HORRIBLE.
Nvidia does the same thing but a lot sooner. Changing the version numbers doesn't mean new driver.
In B4 Nvidiot shit posting.
I own a 780ti. Gimping is real.
>>54446924
>AMD says they're going to focus on affordability instead of top end
This could be good or bad. If I can get 980 performance for $200 I'll nut myself. Some people saying 1060 will try to fill that gap too, but nvidia always seems to be overpriced in the mid to low range.
>>54448084
I hope everyone makes the best stuff they can, but wishing for the death of AMD seems dumb. Best case scenario, nvidia gets broken up, we get overpriced cards and stagnation. Worst case, nvidia props up an AMD shell, and we get even shittier and more overpriced cards with even more stagnation and no competition.
>>54447683
what good is attention when you don't even have products out?
>>54450078
>Nvidia does the same thing but a lot sooner. Changing the version numbers doesn't mean new driver.
you can still run 200 series cards on the latest nvidia drivers, can't the same for AMD.
>>54450131
They never said this. They said Polaris is geared to the mainstream market. There high end architecture is coming later with Vega. They are not releasing at the same time due to some issues with HBM2 availability.
>>54450188
>Changing the version numbers doesn't mean new driver.
There is no point in "new drivers" that do nothing.
>>54450188
That's literally what he was saying. It's the same fucking driver for that old card, unchanged, with a new name. Smoke and mirrors. Nvidia sure knows how to market to idiots. And don't get me wrong, they are definitely the king of top end and market share. But fuck, if they aren't shady as shit.
Everyone is talking 480/x but what about the 490/x?
It's gotta be Polaris still right?
I mean Vega's predecessor is the Fury line with the shift from hbm to hbm2.
They cant wait until Vega to release a banging card or else it's picture related
>>54443575
>Now Nvidia stole all the thunder and are going to make a killing in sales.
Not sure how. Historically, being early has been extremely dangerous, especially for soft launches.
>>54443640
>I expect $250
AMD is smart because /everybody/ looking into building a "console killer" or their own VR rig is going to buy the hell out of this if it is that cheap. They should fire their marketing team tho because the hype level is below zero right now and that is just madness.
>>54446814
Exactly my thinking
AMD should stay the scrappy underdogs. I like cheaper hardware that performs better, and if the Nvidiots ever see that it's true the sales will shift and boom, the magic is gone.
they demoed Polaris in fucking January, what's the holdup
>>54453800
they have been waiting on nvidia to make the first move
I am waiting for the new processors, pic related. Also hopefully the new cards have updated ports and updated h.265 decoders.
>>54443575
Don't worry, we will still get the glorious Polaris cards, even if Nvidia holds the market, we still get better performance for better price, AMD won't suffer from it, Nvidicucks can do what they want.
>>54448108
Have you met my friend Vega?
>>54454065
No I haven't, since AMD hasn't released anything new
>>54443575
Apparently you nvidicucks don't realize the last presentation gets the most attention
Who /6950andwaitfagging/ here?
>>54443605
That's entirely unrealistic, and never happens. Come down from your cheetoh high, my morbidly obese, fedora-donning lad.
>>54454149
780 and going r9 490 no matter what
You had to get burned by nvidia to develop a hatred for them
>>54454188
>You had to get burned by nvidia to develop a hatred for them
680 here, feeling the same. But AMD drivers suck. It's like you pick between shit drivers forever, and good support at launch then gradually getting cucked as the years go by ...
>>54454214
>AMD drivers suck
Nice meme. I have a 390x and have never had a single issue with drivers. It's worked from the day I got it, never caused a crash, always performed well, and drivers have always been fine for me.
Literally the biggest driver issue I've had is that compass issue in Fallout 4, which is fucking nothing.
>>54454388
Nice false flagging
$0.02 has been deposited into your account
>>54443623
>>54443640
>>54443655
>r9 x80 competing with a GTX x70
Are you people retarded? The 480 will most likekly be on par or slightly above a 1060 or 970 and cost less than 300 bucks.
>>54446814
>>54446732
That is not a good comparison. The 1080 will have 9 billion transistors, while the 1070 will have 6.5.
That is a tremendous difference.
>>54454482
>transistors
meant TFLOPS
I'm curious where Polaris 11 sits in all of this. Nvidia managed to cram a 980 in notebooks so why can't they crank a 1070 in them? It's running on a smaller process so it should run less heat when clocked considerably lower. If so, then shouldn't Polaris 10 do the same? Maybe Polaris 11 in ultrabooks?
>>54443605
>>54454151
the 280 and 280x were 250-300 msrp
the 380 and 380x were 200-240 msrp
this leaves me with the 480, which could be between 200-350$
die shrink, fixed architectures removing many bottlenecks... there are so many performance gaina areas that could be had. i mean look at the cards raw flops compared to nvidia's current, if everything was perfect, these cards would be fucking monsters, but as it stands, they get better every driver iteration, now imagine when the drivers aren't the bottle neck.
now here you come in with amd cards that could very well beat out a 980 or 980ti, and these are the mainstream, not even the higher performance cards.
the leaks we have seen, the 1080ti will be about 20% faster then the 1080, and the titan will be about 40% then the 1080.
with the performance of the 480 still under capped fps demos, we don't know where they fall, but we know damn well its a potential monster.
I'm not entirely sure if Geforce 1080p will be all that good.
>>54455176
>shrink maxwell and clock it to the moon
how can they go wrong?
>>54455280
Indeed!
It's the perfect plan and will work forever.
>>54443575
nvidia will make a killing regardless, their brand loyal zombies can't into thinking
>>54454188
780ti here
NEVER AGAIN
>>54455481
What a coincidence, another 780ti owner who will be buying AMD next time.
I kinda miss my old 7950. It aged like wine while my 780ti has aged like milk.
I can't believe I wasted the litecoins I mined on it to get this thing.
