Is AMD finished? How will they compete?
>>54429965
is the 1080 a flagship card? i only buy flagships
>>54429990
it's the flagship _for now_
They won't, and can't. It's actually a huge problem. The 1070 beats out every AMD offering by a large margin and in almost every category, especially price / perf. Polaris is going to be midrange garbage. Fury X2 is a cop out / completely different market share (Xfire / SLI sucks anyway).
>>54429965
Simple, they won't focus on the high end.
>>54429965
Like always: cut the prices. Not a very hard thing to do, since you don't need a single engineer to accomplish that.
>>54429965
I'd wait for benchmarks before answering that
Oh nice 7.5 gb
The AMDPOORFAGS trolls here on /g/ will buy the Poolaris anyway
>>54430085
that won't save 'em from bankruptcy
99% marketshare, here we come
>>54430057
Cutting prices isn't always the best thing too do. In desprit situations yes, and it'll probably one. But AMD minus well hault manufacturing for the cards and rework Polaris than kill their stock and sales to release cards that doesn't come close to Nvidias
>>54430131
>>54430085
You can just look up market shares on steam, it's pretty representative for the gaymur market because face it, 99% of the gaymers in the world have steam installed. And those who don't most probably play emulators on intel HD graphics.
Fun fact, the 3.5 meme is the most used card of the moment.
>>54429965
r9 590x
When is AMD revealing their new card?
>>54430067
I know that the benchmarks will be more reasonable but come on
>>54430137
>desprit
>>54430035
This. And with their die size of Polaris 10 (the more powerful one) being around 70% the size of NVIDIA's cards it shouldn't be hard to sell them cheaper.
>>54429965
Vega
![original[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ujX7PFi.jpg "original[1].jpg")
>>54430035
>Now is not the time for flagships. That comes later.
>>54429965
meh
AMD will beat that piece of trash
But dirty jewvidia brainwashes the industry fot goyim to buy like always
AMD guy here
I'm actually worried about their future. Competition with nvidia has really fucked them over. Their best cards are at nvidia price points -- at that price, I might as well buy nvidia.
I might pick up a 1070 or save up for a 1080 unless AMD pulls a miracle out of their asses.
>>54430085
theyll buy it and then blame Nvidia being evil for every single benchmark they lose, then theyll say "but yeah wait until ______!!!!!"
it's the same cycle over and over
By making a slightly worse gpu than the 1080 and charging a few hundred less. As per usual.
>>54431377
didnt AMD beat Nvidia at DX12 games?
>>54431373
when the last shrink happened who won?
>tfw bought a 970 like a month ago
fuggg
>>54431647
nice gtx 965
Wait for Vega™
Wait for Zen™
that 1070 making a poor fag happy. gonna have to get one of those. dont give a fuck about skylake ddr4 etc. just a normal nice build with that will do
Reminder, this is literally just stock 980ti. The bench is 2.1 Ghz overclocked, which the 980ti OC can already reach. nvidiafags will eat this up
>delaying the 1070 till june so people who can't wait buy the more expensive card
fuckin jews
>>54431647
>buying GPUs in Q2.
Come on now lad.
Polaris needs to be super fucking cheap to even compete.
>>54431789
Whoa, we don't use logic and brains on 4chan.
Oh please, you Poolaris trolls were spamming the forums with your shitty Poolaris threads, you'll buy the Poolaris anyway
>>54429990
Yes it is, buy now goyim! Then you buy the TI and beat your filthy, uncut meat twice! Every time you say "budget," another chosen one dies in the holocaust!
>>54431534
Depends on the game, but they're definitely doing better on games like Ashes of the Singularity that were built with DX12 in mind.
>>54429965
>>54431941
As an expecting AMD fan mother, this is mostly bullshit. But I await the tears when the memory controller is still shit.
>>54431941
>GTX 1070 $379
>GTX 1080 $599
AMDPOORFAGS BTFO
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>>54432046
1070 might be a value contender, no doubt. I think it is an nvidia power move which may speak well of what is to come with polaris. 980ti fans are getting mighty chapped if I had to guess, and I doubt driver releases are going to treat them much better.
>>54429965
This meme is KILLING me
980ti owners are getting butt raped on forums
No matter how many times we told them to wait for next gen it's hilarious.
>>54430258
bump
>>54431796
Literally 1 month
>>54429965
Polaris 10 better put out 1070 performance at $350 or less. That's the estimate as it is; if i was them i'd drop it to $320
>>54432364
Clock for Clock 980 Ti beats 1080
Just OC your 980 Ti to 1.5ghz easy, stock 1080 is like 5% better at that point
>>54432411
Shit, I'm not even waiting for 10. If I can get a 390x with more OC headroom that runs 10C cooler for $200, I'll be straight. And they've said they're not trying to chase flagship anymore, so it seems increasingly possible when you look at the 1070's incredible price point..
>>54432079
the 490x will roll over 1070 with better tdp, performance and price.. btw im worried because polaris 10 chips are a lot cheaper to produce and pascal will be a big housefire.. I can see all those nvidia kids in my dreams who burn their pc-s down due to pascal... and btw enjoy your 7.5 gb meme
>>54432411
ye
nvidia have too many cool features unrelated to performance such as multi screen surround and 3d support that even if AMD performs similarly they won't be worth considering unless they also spent billions on rnd, which, as a failing company, seems unlikely. They would have to undercut nvidia or go bust.
Buynowfags BTFO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okb3RVe2vbA
>>54432448
>just compare an oc'd 980ti to a non oc'd 1080 and it's only 5% slower
No shit
>>54432515
$0.02 deposited Pajeet. There are valid arguments in favor of team green, but those aren't it.
>>54432499
>>54432411
I'm seriously hoping for the 490x to not be DOA because I do not want to give up freesync
>>54432515
>multi screen surround and 3d support
Which were invented and first implemended by AMD.
Fuck AMD even invented Shadowplay first
>>54432617
have you watched the stream? the features are pretty new bro
It doesn't matter how good Polaris cards end up being, AMD can't compete with NVIDIA's advertising and legion of YouTube fanboys shilling their shit. As long as Nvidia is considered the "safe" choice, AMD doesn't really stand much of a chance.
Are we all too young to remember 4870/4850 days? AMD had nothing for the GTX280 but was still relevant for almost everyone. If AMD can get their chips in laptops and small desktops they'll be selling vastly more chips than Nvidia.
>>54432547
Point is 1080's hardware isn't very good, full Pascal can fit almost 4K Cuda Codes, 1080 is almost half that
1080 is like if they overclocked a 780 to 1.7 ghz & tried to pawn it off as the 980
>>54430162
A person who uses steam is called a pleb, not a gamer.
>>54432151
good.
>>54432664
New for nvidia.
AMD first made all of those things put their marketing Pajeet sucked balls and most people didn't even know about AMD gpu based gameplay recording and shit.
But in fact AMD had their own shadowplay first.
They probably didn't think anyone would need that so they didn't build it right into the driver and market it right.
They'll compete by actually having drivers for operating systems other than Windows, unlike Nvidia.
It doesn't matter how good a card is if you're using VESA graphics.
>>54432688
amd does all the consoles and will do that in future.
Performance per watt is CRUCIAL for laptops so zen based laptops will be a hit.
>>54432687
You're getting caught up in the flagship, dude. If AMD can provide a better card at ~200-300 dollars, that's what I'm buying new. Honestly, I'll probably just try to snag a 980 or 390 used as they spiral in price. Gladly pay
$120 or some shit to sacrifice the warranty, especially as shit trends upwards from here for a couple years.
>>54432771
>If AMD can provide a better card at ~200-300 dollars, that's what I'm buying new.
This.
AMD will conquer the masses.
Titans are nearly irrelevant to the market.
>>54432690
It's a good 50 to 70% faster than the 980, who gives a shit if it needs a higher clock to do it, what matters in the end is results
>>54432410
2 weeks
>>54429965
>1080 has less transistors than the 980
>But a higher TDP, which the 980 ignored anyway so this is disconcerting
>Also claims twice the gaming performance of a titan x
Yeah, I'm taking these claims with a bag of salt rather than a pinch.
Watch this youtube two parter from this guy
really elucidates on AMD's potential strategy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ktLeS4Fwlw
Basically they've stopped chasing the shrinking enthusiast market and have bigger plans to reshape how graphics will work.
>>54430162
>Fun fact, the 3.5 meme is the most used card of the moment.
that just goes to show that pc gamers are fucking retards
only 5% of pc gamers are actual GAMING ENTHUSIASTS, the other 95% just play at 1080 at reasonable 40-45-50-55+ FPS on high settings
not everybody is on the bleeding edge
It will be the same as always. AMD will perform better with DX12 and terrible with Gimpworks.
AMD are not after the high end anyhow. They make profit on low to mid and mid high GPU's at affordable price points. They are also playing the long haul strategy. Eventually as DX12 becomes more widespread Nvidia will get pushed out unless they change their architecture. Also AMD make more money from consoles etc.
>>54433405
thats the interesting technology from my perspective, its clever, and if their hardware is good when zen releases they will be compelling choices
>>54433405
That's nice and all, too bad it's not FUCKING WORKING.
>>54433405
That accent
>>54429965
>how will they compete
With cheaper cards with smaller cores that use less power and that will eventually become much more powerful than nvidia's new gen for half the cost.
Also they've got contracts with many laptop companies for their next gen because it's simply better, so even though they lose a bit of their share in the higher end, they crush nvidia in the lower end, and they'll use that advantage to make Vega good enough to crush nvidia eventually in the higher end too.
Lower prices? Release a new card?
>>54433840
>AMD
>new stuff
lel
AMD have to push out Vega.
Even though in on a 980ti, ive been impressed with AMD longevity and dx12 performance.
If they bring out the big guns early, I could easily see myself switching. If for no other reason than to have a card that is futureproofed instead of gimped with driver updates.
>>54430258
I believe its rumored to be paper launched in mid-late june or during e3 or some shit
>>54433405
>adoredtv
Please leave. This guys theories have been debunked so many times in these gpu war threads.
>>54430012
Are you suggesting AMD isn't going to release anything new either?
What the fuck is wrong with /g/, both companies have a lineup of new cards. With such a die shrink though I wouldn't be surprised if it's thermi all over again for nvidia, but for now it's just best to wait and see what the final product is from both companies.
>>54434039
AMD has said Polaris is aimed at the mainstream, with Vega coming later for the high end
So yeah AMD is not going to have anything that can compete with Nvidia in the $300-$500 price point for quite some time
1070 > Anything Polaris
>>54434077
AMD said they'll be hitting $350 with the top end polaris10, expecting it to hit 1070/980ti performance levels. There will probably be two more skus below that, something decent performing at ~$220 should move a lot of units. But it's not that great considering the r9 290 hit that price before they went eol.
No Idea when I'll upgrade at this rate, maybe if I need something cooler my planned custom mitx sized case.
>>54432726
They aren't new for Nvidia either, they're just a few improvements on their current implementation, passing them off as innovation Apple style
>ATI
>Known for making competitive graphics cards
>AMD
>Known for making poorfag-tier CPUs
>AMD decides to drop the ATI brand since it's "not as strong"
>>54429965
> flagship for ~8 months until HBM2 cards come out
> 50% more shader power than Titan X but less bandwidth than that or 980 Ti
yeah, not going for this one
>>54431317
bring out the lower end chips with higher yields to field test the architecture and process, then bring out the big guns when you got shit down.
Yet I'll be buying AMD anyway...despite you're shilling.
>>54430289
if amd is within 20-30% on cards that aren't even their flagship and shit them out for half of what nvidia is... yea, nvidia will hold king for a while, amd will scoop it up and then the 1080ti will happen, by then amds next gpu will be laid out for us to understand the direction they are going, either smaller chips to make an over all bigger card with software picking up the slack seeing it as processing pools, or a hardware based version that does its own hardware pooling and shows it to the os as one card.
people bitch about that ad whatever youtube guy, but everything he has laid out makes sense and is honestly an idea i had a long ass time ago, why not make one smaller thing and have many of them in one system?
given what i now know about the manufacturing processes, we are getting close to there is no way they can make big dies viable, so why not a fuck load of smaller ones, potentially making them as powerful yet cheaper then the big one.
>>54432726
how is amds game recording shit?
any hoops i have do jump through are bullshit i have to install?
i honestly like dxtory with lossless capture but honestly, space is a concern and if amd can do a decent job recording while not hitting the performance much at all, ill take it.
>>54433826
laptop doesnt give a shit about being better, its all about tdp and getting the job done.
personally i use laptops as mobile workstations, not "im going to starbucks for 8 hours then go home" shit, i plug my laptop in whenever there is an outlet because wherever i am that i use a computer, there is an outlet.
ill sacrifice an 8 hour battery with one that lasts 20-40 minutes in use at full blast if it means i get real power.
>>54433935
debunked on 4chan... you got someone who matters debunking it?
what he said makes sense, and seeing amd putting 2 16 core cpus on one socket instead of making the 32 core single silicon for cern... it seems like this is the road they will go.
backwards compatibility is an issue, but any future game? why not do it this way? i mean we already have games that will sli/crossfire with amd and nvidia cards and it works, why not make smaller chips and put them in one gpu?
I'll still buy AMD because at least in 2 years my GPU won't be gimped via drivers and they don't push gimmicks.
>>54429965
Why kind of faggot spends $599 on a video card?
Fuck, you can buy an xbox one and a PS4 and get way more value.
Buynowfags btfo. Waitfags have won.
>>54435965
>debunked on 4chan... you got someone who matters debunking it?
Are you implying AdoredTV matters? He's an extreme AMD fanboy who because his channel is so low in views probably doesn't even get paid.
>AdoredTV: Nvidia does better in X game
>THE DEVS WERE PAID OFF
>AdoredTV: AMD does better in X game
>AMD IS THE BEST
It's a fucking joke.
What's the value of Async compute and DX12?
honestly with the 1070s at under 400 dollars, amd is fucked.
ill be getting rid of my amd for one
>>54436063
Or I could buy them all because I'm not poor? Don't forget to add in another $500 or whatever for a vive
>>54435965
>he really thinks the consortium of processor and gpu producers will let amd get away with something as stupid as this which will split the market it two
That's now how it works, chump. Amd will be digging their own grave if this happened.
>>54429965
I wonder why nvidia didn't mention its DX12 performance
nvidia pls, dont disappoint
>>54439033
>consortium of processor and gpu producers
there is literally only 3 company that do that and stayed relevant one of them is AMD
>>54439062
guys that went aftershow said it's 25% bump, basically number from the sky at this point no matter who says it
BUT, Id ran doom at 200fps on Vulkan and 1080 at 2ghz, so there is that
this whole dx12/vulkan thing getting hilarious
>>54433919
>AMD have to push out Vega.
Not likely
Its just Polaris Overclocked with HMB2
>>54429965
why are people absolutely creaming themselves over these pricepoints? don't they basically match what the 970/980 costed on release, or cost even more than that?
>>54439090
>Id ran doom at 200fps on Vulkan
no, it hit 200fps at one point which was its max fps, the average was 120. you retards really fall for the blatant clickbait article titles don't you.
>>54439122
The 980Ti Costs $800USD and the 1080 costs what $599
Thats $200 less with twice the performance as far as nvidia goes its pretty good
>>54439136
980ti costs $650.
where the fuck are you retards coming up with these numbers?
>>54439122
because it's "people" second video card and they have no idea how pricing actually works and they think it's normal for next gen card to cost 40% more than previous gen on launch also disgusting founders edition
have to give it to nvidia timing to rob "people" is perfect
>>54429965
>Founder's edition
why
>>54439155
it's actually unbelievable how stupid people can be. i'm pretty positive half this shit isn't even mentioned in any article anywhere and they're just making things up on the spot at this point.
>>54439153
the 980 LAUNCHED at $550 dickhead
Maybe in your country is cheaper but not here
>>54439175
can you ethnics fuck off and stop trying to shoehorn your country's shitty economy when we're discussing how the 1070/1080 release prices are nothing special?
>>54439168
what happened last couple years - mad inflow of console "gamers" that buy whatever is given to them, their first card was 970 and they are strong in brand loyalty
>>54429965
1070 will likely get murked by the 480X and be more expensive to produce, yet still run on more power. My feeling is that AMD will probably secure the mid range and nVidia will probably have to shill gameworks for the rest of their existence whilst OpenGPU games become the de facto standard for AAA games, and that Huang finally an hero's.
>>54439190
if i'm not wrong nvidia sells more card in eu/asia than in whole americas put together
>>54439203
KEK
>>54439190
Fuck off merricuck
>>54439136
>$599 for a 1080
I done goofed buying a 970 lel. I have a shit cpu so I need to focus on replacing that though.
>>54439196
thanks for telling us your dream today, son
>GTX 970 launch price: $329
>GTX 980 launch price: $549
>GTX 980Ti launch price: $649
>GTX 1070 launch price: $378
>GTX 1080 launch price: $599
how people can be saying "HOLY SHIT I THOUGHT 1080 WAS GOING TO COST $900 WHAT AN INCREDIBLE BARGAIN" is beyond me.
watch the 1080Ti cost $700-$750 on launch now.
>>54439214
*Your're welcome nVidishill.
>>54439211
What CPU?
the 970 was gimped it wasnt much better than a 770 or 780
>>54439223
DESU the 900 series wasn't that big of a leap over the previous gen as the 1000 series is
>>54433405
How is that plan working out for AMD so far? This year is kind of important for GPU sellers because of the VR hype and people obviously looking into upgrading their machines.
>>54439223
It is $800-900+ in Australia/Canada and alot of other places once you take currency exchange into effect.
> playing games
>>54439228
Its a AMD FX-6350 Six Core AM3+. Piece of shit, decent for gaming however shit for everything else.
>>54439257
it was hyped to be when they first came out, you must be too young to remember.
>>54439264
that has fuck all to do with the relevant prices between the different cards and their release msrp. why are you still posting?
>>54439268
>decent for gaming
>>54439294
its overclocked to death.
>>54439280
Because your a fucking dullard
>DUHH $599usd expensive WAAA
Try fucking paying $550 for a fucking 390x or $1000 for a GTX 1080
>>54439268
6 cores is better than 4 and alot of games dont use beyond 4 threads at the moment.
Overclock it and you should not have aproblem with your 970
get a new system when zen comes out though
>>54439305
what the fuck are you even talking about now?
holy shit you're genuinely fucking retarded, try to at least figure out what my post was about before replying next time.
>>54439303
>implying that makes up for shit IPC
>>54439223
>watch the 1080Ti cost $700-$750 on launch now.
Current TI's already are
Whats your point?
>>54439331
that's exactly my point. the pricing is nothing special and retatds sperging over how 'cheap' these are are fucking retarded. the pricing of the 1070/1080 are literally as standard as can be, $50 more than the 970 and 980 respectively compared to their release prices.
>>54439331
reference was 650
partner 800
now count carfuly what 1080ti price will be
>>54439343
So? Let the fucktards buy them at those prices ill go get a 490x and jizz all over DX12
>>54439343
But the performance you get for the money is pretty impressive
>>54439355
>nothing confirmed yet
is this literally your first paper release or something?
>>54439317
I'm not arguing, I know its an outdated cpu.
>>54439355
all we actually know it runs at 1.8 ghz
and that doesn't mean a thing after AMD 5ghz demos
>>54439367
I realize it's all speculation thank you
>can AMD even compete?
I assume they can't until at least July?
>>54439389
computex, may 27
>>54439398
Whens the actual release though?
Better not be july
>>54439431
who knows, i'm not very sure 1080 will actually be available on 27th either
best bet both arriving in july end of june
Who cruising on their 7970 here?
![200_s[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/vC93IPN.gif "200_s[1].gif")
Consider the following:
We all know that Pascal is aimed at the high/top end of the market, and Polaris is aimed at the midrange. It seems very possible then, that once Polaris releases we'll have a very clear progression of performance:
480 < 480x < 1070 < 1080 (and then possibly < 1080 Founders if that's a specially binned model).
So it seems that in order to compete with the 1070, the 480x is going to have to be very high performance indeed for a -80x type part (consider that the 970 wipes the floor with the 380x), AND be rather cheap (seeing as how the 1070 is going to be what, $370 retail or so?). Otherwise, it'll just be in another performance bracket altogether, and AMD will have to charge a monstrously lower cost (from an already low $370, on a brand new and expensive silicon process, with an Arch whose R&D hasn't paid itself off yet ...) in order to entice people into taking a significant downgrade in performance in order to get better price/performance. And then on top of that, no matter how good the 480x is, it won't compete at all for the 1080's performance crown segment of the market. None of the above is good news for AMD.
However - Consider the opposite perspective: Nvidia seemingly has no Pascal cards waiting in the wings for the midrange right now. What would it take for the 970, 980, even the 980 Ti, to compete with Polaris chips? Would people buy those 900 series chips if they were discounted enough over the Polaris chips? Don't forget, they're based on veteran, refined and optimised 28nm silicon, the R&D costs have long been paid off, and they probably even have surplus stock left over - Not to mention they have loadsamoney in the bank, so they can probably afford to drop the price very low - near cost price if they like even. Can Maxwell even compete with Polaris, or will the vast majority (ignorant masses) of people just buy the new cards because they're new and that's the extent of the thinking?
>>54439586
Cruising on a 670
>>54434143
I got a R9 290 for $205 after rebates at the end of last year. Should I have waited? How much can I sell the 290 for?
>>54429965
By releasing Polaris.
NV will have flagship DX11.
AMD will have flagship DX12.
Assuming everyone is to be believed:
>nVidia
- No IPC improvement
- no hardware async compute, still software based
+ More RAM and (very) FAST ram
+ 16nm scaling VERY well, no published clocks but 1080 does 2.1ghz on stock cooler a-ok
+ improved async software though, so better than maxwell
>AMD
- DX11 drivers will never get better
~ Probably won't have GDDR5X, could go either way though
~ no mention of how well 14nm is scaling, current examples are running at similar clockspeeds to current gen products but at significantly reduced power and more performance, but that's not giving us hope for OC, just nice power figures at stock clocks
+ 40% IPC improvement (40% faster, clock for clock)
+ Improved hardware async compute
+ Full HSA!
Both cards are only shitty midrange though, neither AMD nor nVidia is pushing their true flagships until next year as both require the bandwidth that only HBM2 can provide.
>>54431534
Yes amd destroys nvidia in Hitman.
>>54430012
Did you just say it beats everything except the Fury X2? But the Fury X2 doesn't count?
>>54433783
That fuckin' accent man
>>54439033
explain what you mean
look at dx12 and vulkan, you CAN USE AMD AND NVIDIA TOGETHER IN SLI/CROSSFIRE
the api does this as normal, it also pools all the ram into one section, instead of mirroring.
we have an api that finally does this shit, no, we have 2 major apis, i have no idea what metal does or if it matters, but we have 2 good ones.
why would the idea of putting 2-4 smaller gpus on one die when there is no issue doing it be bad? why would the idea of doing this with cpus when core 2 quads were this fucking way be a bad idea? seems fucking genius, especially when you go and look at yields. for gpus.
literally the only issue that this would pose is backwards compatibility.
>>54436218
watch his benchmark video, he wants to do benchmarks in the future, and is wodnering how to do them, should he take the outliers out.
also, lets be 100% fucking honest here.
ashes uses async, and pulls the full potential out of amd, same with hitman i believe,
amd has async support, they support the new apis where as nvidia does not, yes its good on them
nvidia has project cars, where they force more physx checks to the point it tanks amd cards support, they have gameworks that use to be all dll based, and forced 64x tessellation or nothing... yea, nvidia is shitty when they do this stuff.
unless amd is clearly blocking the path for nvidia, it is a good on amd for getting that performance and usually a eyebrow raised on why nvidia is performing that much better.
>>54439294
you are looking at the, at least last i benchmarked the game, the most demanding part of that benchmark,
the minimum is important, but so is the average fps, max is nice, but i put more weight on average, minimum and the difference between the two...
example. lets sy the 6700 got a 100fps average but dipped down to 30 every now and then, and another cpu got an average of 50fps but dipped to 40, i would likely rather have the 50/40 because it would be less noticeable then the 100/30
granted, on this that 74 would only be noticeable on a 120+ monitor.
>>54440664
nvidia 1080 apparently runs doom at such a high frame rate in vulcan that it showed them glitched in the animations due to the fps (200+ if the article was right) so either doom is VERY fucking well optimized, or nvidia has async in pascal. sense this was valcan and not just opengl (they launch opengl with valkan coming shortly after) this may change how i view nvidia... granted if they dont have async and valkan already gives that much over ogl... good bye dx12 we hardly knew ye.
I'm looking forward to a cheap 980ti.
>>54441386
It was only in 1080p. Even a R9 390 can get 200 FPS in 1080p in DOOM with Vulkan.
>>54441419
we have no earthly clue what the fuck a 390 can do, anything is speculation at this point.
and whats it matter if its 1080p or not, a current game is running over 200fps while not looking like 10 years old... that's impressive to say the least.
![images[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/vRKCjKj.png "images[1].png")
>mfw people getting hyped over all this misleading sales-speech
Good goys. [spoiler]Seriously, wait for some third party benchmarks.
Give me GTX1060
>>54440664
No IPC improvement is wrong. They've made major changes to the SM, by reducing the amount of CUDA cores in each SM and increasing the amount of SMs to compensate, each CUDA core gets more management and resources - So overall efficiency (and I don't mean powerwise alone) goes up.
>>54441571
>>54440664
Didnt they said that the Pascal have full Dx12 support? I mean with real Async not emulated.
>900$ dollarydoo founder's edition
>~5% improvement over 980ti
he he
>>54441641
Can a single 980 ti run the new Doom in 4k60 Fps?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfnhMX5kZ6E
>>54441681
every competent gpu can run doom at 60fps, also video is 1080p
>>54441681
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8BXPrjJYjI
Doesn't look like it, although the graphics settings were locked in the beta so with some tweaking maybe.
Also Vulkan will improve things, the beta was using ogl I'm pretty sure.
>>54441638
That too.
>>54434143
>tfw 290x
>tfw want to stick with AMD for freesync
>tfw polaris 10/1070 isn't a big enough jump for upgrading; 1080 is
>tfw not even sure if vega will outperform a 1080
fuck it, I'll save up for a 1080ti and watch my dick explode upon doing so
>>54439190
>the 1070/1080 release prices are nothing special
in terms of other cards release prices, yes
in terms of the performance and hardware jump they offer for the price, absolutely it is
they essentially are selling a $379 980ti. That's amazing
>>54440664
>DX11 drivers will never get better
FUCK
OFF
>>54441386
>>54441419
this. my 290x was running at like 40% when trying to play doom beta at 1080p in opengl. vulkan alone would more than double performance since opengl on amd hardware is complete and utter trash
>>54430137
>Minus well
>>54444264
Truth hurts, I guess.
Probably going to buy the 1080. What else needs an upgrade?
>>54431926
wait, seriously?
budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget
>>54441681
Doom's engine is actually as light as Source Engine since ages.
So, even 390 will be expected to get around as high as the demo one in the video.
>>54429965
they don't compete now.
>>54444419
CPU, Ram.
>>54440664
amd will have the botnet
cause as amdfags all we have to keep ourselves cozy is the thought that direct x12 exists, too bad no games use it and you have to have windows 10.
>>54444250
$379 is not the launch price.
$449 is.
Zotac already has the "founders edition" of the 1080 as the reference card on their website. The cheaper "normal" edition is nowhere to be found because it simply won't be available.
>>54444657
That doesn't mean anything at all. Way to pointlessly speculate.
>>54444419
A Zen CPU if they turn out to be good
>>54444770
Have they shown a $599 model? No.
Have they said they will sell a reference model for $599? No.
The founders edition IS the reference design and will sell for $699.
$599 is just a MSRP, but it's meaningless because there will only be custom models available that don't stick to the MSRP anyway.
>>54444851
You are reading way too much into the image they decided to use for advertising.
>>54430012
>The 1070 beats out every AMD offering by a large margin and in almost every category
It fucking better, i would be pretty pissed if their new flagship couldn't wipe the last generation of cards .
>>54439586
7950 here
>nvidia is cucking it's customers again by making them believe their reference variant is superior to custom cards
>>54444880
>Falling for cheap marketing tricks
They have redesigned the reference cooler and are now calling it "founder edition" because "reference design" sounds bad.
There is not a single mention, picture or even vague reference to any model other than the founders edition.
>>54444984
You think there won't be anything other than reference cards forever?
>>54445042
non-reference cards will be more expensive than the reference model, not cheaper.
>>54439190
The 980 US release price was $550, 970 was $330. So its $50 more across the board. The 780 was $650 and the 770 was $400.
>>54439264
Which you pay in canadian or aus dollars. While poverty stricken aussies pay relatively 50% more, Canadians are the same.
>>54444419
Get an SSD you nigger holy shit what year is this
>>54445208
>Get an SSD
memes
>>54431633
None of the nVidia fanboys are old enough to remember those days. The days when AMD ruled the nest in CPU power, and still sold them cheaper than intel (though not by much) and ATI was shitting all over nVidia. Those were the days man.
>buying nvidia
>after all the gimpworks™ shenanigans
>after knowing that amd can provide the same, even better performance(thanks to gimpworks™ the™ way™ its™ meant™ to™ be™ played™ nvidia™) in some cases
>after the recent resurgence of opencl in gpu renderers
good goy, good goy
fuck nvidia, my 750ti's drivers are crashing all the time if I overload it, although I gotta admit, I'm pretty happy for the money I paid and it never overheats on stock cooling, rather the driver crashes
1080p is finished why not name it Gtx4k or Gtx4000
>>54430012
Thank you, Pajeet. Your NVIDIA-branded The North Face jacket has been shipped via UPS Ground.
>>54445214
>not having two nvme ssds in raid0 in your laptop
Ishygddt>>54445214
>>54429965
>How will they compete?
They won't, as always
>>54429965
I'm about to sell my 9 months old 980TI Black Accelero for 600€.
1430MHz boost clock 60°C full load.
Guys it's so hard to let it go, should I do it?
>tfw this is EXACTLY how /g/ reacted when the 780 was released
>meanwhile 290/290x bros are still trucking away with 970 or better performance 3 years later
>Hardwre AyySync Compute
>lower price points
>target lower end to midrange systems
Its a shame the duo pro might be the last of its kind but dual gpu cards are pretty redundant.
>>54431373
it wont beat this but new polaris will be >980 performance for $300
also more energy efficient
shame nvidia didn't jump to 14mm as well
>>54432487
they are still doing flagships and vega is it
>>54439586
I'd still be on a 7950 if the witcher 3 didn't kick its ass
>>54445532
Exactly the same here
RIP 7950 you served me well
>>54432521
hmm 130 fps at 1080p on an optimized for online console shooter. Actually kind of worrying when you translate it to 4k.
>>54431789
Which will then be far beaten out when you do the exact same thing to the new cards, overclock them
>it's not that great you can OC the 980Ti to 2.1GHz!!!!
>IT'S NOT LIKE THE BASIC BIRCH BOOST COCK OF 2.1GHZ CAN BE OC ON THE NEW CARDS THEY'RE WORTHLESS GUYS AMD AMD AMD AMD
Imbecile
>>54431796
Less than one month, fag. Are you 12 and can't wait for anything without throwing a temper tantrum?
>>54431796
>literally having the patience of a child
This, tom, is why we can't have nice things.
>>54431934
We'll see if nVidia gobbles DX12 cocktail as hard as they did with their 900 series with the 1000 series.
If not, then AMD has no ground to stand on unless they get off their assessment and come out with a worthwhile product with good drivers out the gate.
>>54445619
The boost clock on 1080 is 1700mhz, I don't know where 2100mhz for 1080 is coming from. Comparisons atm are all speculative. Also 980 ti OCs to about 1500mhz on average, 2100mhz for one is what, liquid nitrogen?
>>54432448
>OC'd 980ti boost clock is only 5% slower than stock 1080 base clock
The difference is more but read what you said fucking retard. kys
>>54430035
Because that worked so well in the cpu front huh?
AMD is fucking dead.
>>54445247
>"Oh boy it's time to upgrade my GPU"
>check out benchmarks
>On literally every benchmark an nvidia card is on top
Guess what? I'm not buying GPUs from a company that continously fails to beat nvidia.
lads whats a good gpu that won't turn my small room into a sauna? currently have a 280x
>caring about brand names at all
>not just buying the current best thing on the market
I will never get this "fanboy" bullshit
>>54446149
wait for the 1070, or for AMD cards since there are almost no information about them atm..
you should just wait at ~1 month for more informations/reviews
>>54445301
>two nvme ssds in raid0
Super memes
>>54446221
>performance is a meme
This is why computers suck unless you build your own or spend a shit ton on them
>>54440929
why yes, of course!
nothing that beats nvidia is to be considered :^)
>>54445999
They did at least try before it became clear that their gamble on total theoretical throughput with lots of of small cores rather than a few big cores didn't work out because of software still not being properly multi-threaded. That and being stuck on 28 nm production after production on 20 nm using planar transistors was a bust.
In short: AMD didn't drop out of the higher end CPU market because they didn't want to compete in it, they dropped out because they bet their limited resources on multi-threading and 20 nm using planar transistors, nether of which really panned out.
>>54429965
I want a 4K capable card m8, 1080p just won't cut it in 2016.
>>54445247
>after knowing that amd can provide the same, even better performance
they literally can't
>>54446132
AMD's plan seems to bet more on these envisioned near-future scenarios:
>Person wants to buy a laptop that can play games and thus has a dedicated GPU
>AMD dominates market on dedicated laptop GPUs so it inevitably ends up having an AMD gpu
Nvidia is essentially ignoring laptops right now while AMD is going very heavily for them with Polaris 11
>Person wants to buy a new GPU, but like most people won't spring for a high end part and settles on a low or mid range part
>AMD dominates the mid range so the machine will come with one of their GPUs
Once again, Nvidia is right now ignoring the bigger markets of the mid and low ranges. The higher end has a higher profit margin, but the lower you go, the bigger the market
>>54446483
>Nvidia is essentially ignoring laptops right now
Virtually all the gaming laptops use Nvidia GPUs, they even have a full GTX 980 chipset for laptops.
The only market AMD has is the apus market which competes with Intel iGPU not Nvidia.
>>54429965
AMD Will conquer 1000$ PC market and make your ridiculously priced jews unnecessary to the consumer again.
>>54446530
You do realize that the boat anchor stuff (which is where you find the upper range of the 900-series) are only a small part of the market with dedicated GPU's? Not only that, AMD is supposedly working on chips with comparable performance, but within a much lower thermal envelope (i.e you can get a laptop with the same level of performance, but without needing it to be a 10 kilo boat anchor).
>>54429965
>How will they compete?
AMD will compete in making Zen+Polaris gaming consoles utilizing Vulkan making porting to PC easier than ever.
Then AMD will make PC hardware that perfectly handles all console ports in VR or 4k at a very reasonable price point.
The thing is that AMD prepared for future beforehand.
Vulkan and DX12 will actually make more cores, asynchrous computing, and all AMD stuff Fly better that Intelvidia.
AMD made cards for Vulkan before Vulkan became a thing, Nvidiots will have to come up with entirely new architecture to catch up.
>>54446530
A lot of Alienware machines still run AMD.
>>54446740
>poolelris amdcuck delusion
Kek. AMD is dead, again.
>>54446843
Future Nintendo and PS 4.5 Upgrade are confirmed to be ZEN.
They will run Vulkan because Vulkan is a lot fucking better.
PS Nintendo will certainly work with Vulkan in mext generations, same with android games.
All of that will be cross platform and guess what?
AMD will destroy competitors in Vulkan because they made Vulkan and they already refined their architectures for it.
>>54445380
yes, before slow people get to local news dispenser after weekend
>>54432688
Not to mention Apple is going all in on Polaris because the cards are so damn efficient
>>54447119
in laptops no less, with their current ultrathin thingies engineering samples probably were way too good
nvidia pitches these things to everyone as amd, marketing wars behind the doors never stop
>>54445999
AMD has a monopoly on both CPU and GPU of all gaming consoles for the next 5 or 8 years.
Considering the console market is way bigger than the gaming PC market, their doing fine.
>>54447353
10m maxwell cards just from evga
who knows how many 960/380/980/390 from all over the place
30m ps4
15m xbones or how many?
for hardware i'd say equal
>>54440664
>no hardware async compute, still software based
That hasn't been confirmed yet. We'll see what they changed for async compute when reviews go up
>>54448081
I don't think it'll be software based, they just underrastimated async, just like they did with shaders on their G71(7900) back in 2006.
Well if they fuck this up then it's their problem, no problem with buying AMD stuff.
How long is it usually inbetween the release of a reference GPU and the release of 3rd party versions of these GPUs (like ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte etc.) ?
I wonder how long I should expect to wait before I can grab a 1080 card that's not reference.
>>54449854
For the 900 series that's all that was available at launch was 3rd party cards
this meme aside, I plan on buying the 1080. I've never bought a GPU right at launch before so how long until the aftermarket cooler versions usually come out? I could buy it right at release, or my buy myself a birthday gift a month after but I'm not sure how patient I can be.
>>54449889
Ah, so they come with factory overclocks and all that good stuff immediately? That's great.
>>54449854
>>54449916
probably should've checked the thread first oh well fuck me in the ass
>>54439294
it competes with the i3. its a fucking $100 dollar cpu
iall reddy payed for one now i have to vait
ontil it koms YESSSSSSSSSSS
>>54439294
>pairing a Titan X with an FX-6300
Top kek
AMDrones always had less sense
>Be Canadian
>Approx. cost of 1070 is $500
>Approx. cost of 1080 is $775
>tfw no fucking middleground between the two
Pisses me the fuck off
>>54450518
just wait a few months for the 1080 price to drop faggot
>>54450558
>prices will drop
Yeah lust like they did with the last generation, right?
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