Why aren't you installing Gentoo?
because my t420 is stuck at customs
Because it's already installed?
>>54419571
RIP
>>54419579
Then why aren't you updating @world?
there's always something fun to do in Gentoo.
>99C
Enjoy your melted laptop.
>>54419579
Dude xorg server is taking FUCKING FOREVER to compile and install.
I shudder to think how long XFCE will take to install
>>54419594
pls dont bully
Sorry, in busy enjoying my computer. No time for cuck memes
>>54419538
Because Ubuntu 16.04 is flawless
>>54419538EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--ask --ask-enter-invalid --with-bdeps=y --keep-going=y --quiet-unmerge-warn --quiet-build=y --jobs=2 --tree"
Put this in your make.conf OP!
>losing 6 hours to gain 3% of performance
>>54419538
>spending more than a second per translation unit
OP here, i've made a huge mistake.
I didn't realize how long it takes to compile massive packages like xorg-server or xfce4
help
Can you configure a gentoo install to be optimized for X processor but compiled in a more powerful Y processor?
>>54419713
>And then imaged and deployed
I forgot that.
>>54419695
You compile the big stuff once and that's it. Then you have epeen forever.
>>54419622
Once you have gotten and compiled everything you need to compile xorg, it shouldn't take long to get xfce up and going. I do hope you have a large / or /usr partition though. At least 32GB if not more.
>>54419671
thanks based anon
>>54419695
Get a better system. If you have a server or workstation, use distcc. Or build binary packages.
>>54419713
Yes, see >>54419796
Oh, and you can also speed up compilation by using -pipe in your CFLAGS and mounting /var/tmp/portage as a tmpfs. (Only do this if you have more than 8 GiB of RAM!)
Arch is superior
>>54419845
>the neckbeard netinstall is superior to a meta distribution
>source: me
>>54419538
Because I have work to do, anon, and by the time you've finished installing gentoo, my rock solid trusty Debian machine will have already done everything I needed, and i will be spending time watching anime and drinking beers.
>>54419845
Arch, the distro that tries to sell its flexibility but doesn't even have USE flags
>>54419622
>compiling for every single update
Meme confirmed
>>54419819
I asking that not because I don't have a better system (I have a fucking dual processor workstation from 2009, still beats any laptop). My interest is see if I can revive some old as fuck laptops like this guy does with Arch (https://kmandla.wordpress.com/) but try to get the distro even further.
>>54419671
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--quiet-build --quiet-fail --quiet-unmerge-warn --rebuild-if-new-slot --verbose --binpkg-respect-use=y --binpkg-changed-deps=y --load-average=3 --keep-going"
EPAUSE_IGNORE="1"
EBEEP_IGNORE="1"
PORTAGE_NICENESS="1"
PORTAGE_IONICE_COMMAND="ionice -c 3 -p \${PID}"
>>54419937
Well, distcc will help a great deal as long as you have enough network bandwidth for the transmission of compilation units to not be a bottleneck.
You could either use it to pool together your compute resources, or just make them run entirely on the powerful host (which will be superior for very highly asymmetric setups).
>>54419986
Very nice, I'll steal some of these for myself.
>>54419999
Thanks.
Probably will do a report of my experiments soon.
>>54419986
this is your make.conf correct?
Can someone explain what possibly benefits there are to compiling the entirety of your system yourself?
>>54419538
nigger
>>54420426
NOW WATCH ME WHIP
>>54420404
1. USE flags
2. Live ebuilds
3. Fetch restrictions
>>54420404
absolutely nothing
just autism/ fun
>>54419538
because I'm tripping ballz
convince me why it's better than ubuntu
or fedora for that matter
>>54420488
>caring about an Ubuntu users opinion
Go some where else to seek validation
>>54420575
not validation, I want to know what the functionality gained is
>>54420433
To clarify: These three are examples of things that a binary package manager can't do.
it doesn't imply making your entire system source-based, but at least with portage the big benefit is that source-operation is not an afterthought compared to the main mode operation - it *is* the main mode of operation.
Portage tries to focus on doing one thing and doing it well: building packages from source.
Arch for example suffers from tools fragmentation between pacman, PKGBUILDs, the AUR etc. since everything needs a different workflow. Creates more overhead if you want to actually benefit from the useful features of source-based package management.
>>54420433
4. User patches
>>54420488
wow you can scroll up and down, I sure wish my distro could do this :(
>>54419538
I'm not a faggot
>>54420488
the memes
>>54420596
None
>>54420656
Being a gentoo user is self fulfilling where as we can see here Ubuntu users have to seek out validation.
Arch also gives a similar feeling of accomplishment but only if they have sub 120 IQ or crippling autism
>>54420686
No one is fucking "proud" after installing arch. Fuck off with that stupid meme already
Because I'm running Arch.
>>54420698
> but only if they have sub 120 IQ or crippling autism
I know it's most of g but don't deny it
>>54420488
>have ubuntu
>upgrade
>boots to blank screen
It just werks :^)
>>54419538
I did
>>54419579
not that long actually
>>54419538
Because my laptop likes to shut down at random times.
I installed Arch, no compiling shit while you still feel like a l33t h4x0r
>>54420488
Wait if I use ubuntu(laptop), gentoo(desktop) debian/openbsd(server) and 9front for fun is my opinion valid?
Op here I can't get startx to work
Not sure what's going on
>>54420432
NOW WATCH ME MAYMAY
>>54419538
Just watching emerge makes you gain INT and EUPH
FAST
Why should I replace Arch with gentoo on my chinkpad?
>>54421117
Bigger epeen
>>54421117
You won't get made fun of by the cool /g/ kids anymore
>>54421117
there is no reason to do that
>>54419606
Oh cool, new kernel.
>>54421132
What does merging a package do I always say yes
Funtoo is better.
And how did they manage to make their freebsd ports clone so much less user friendly than ports?
>>54421172
>gentoo users ""know"" their systems
>>54420426
post Essay1984andV.txt
>>54421172
>>54421181
>Gentoo on a laptop
>>54420426
>uptime 6 minutes
>having a timesink OS
>>54419695
Set -j5 and Portage tmpfs
>>54419538
I already installed it bro
>>54419695
>kek'd
Have you never compiled a package before? That's gentoo. Are you even using cflags and USE flags? Or are you just emerging default options? Because that's like using a slow package manager.
Switch to Debian, OP. Apt has supercow powers.
>>54419538
I did, then realized I don't have half a day to wait for compiling, then installed Debian.
>>54420488
>fish
my man
TIMESINK
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>the computer equivalent of having an 8 hour birth followed by a caesarian
>>54421172
Same as emerge but without the e
>>54420597
>Arch for example suffers from tools fragmentation between pacman, PKGBUILDs, the AUR etc. since everything needs a different workflow
How so? Yaourt comands are mostly the same as pacman. If you use a wrapper like packer, you get to search both regular binary packages and AUR at the same time.
>>54420623
dumb frogposter
can I just use this thing for a while and try out Gentoo so I can decide if it's worth installing before wasting my whole day?
'Cause I'm not an idiot.
>mfw gentoo users think they are optimized
>they deviate away from tested upstream CFLAGS often making things slower
>any speed gains wont even make up the time of a single gcc compile in the users natural lifetime
>every moment compiling is further debt of time, power and money.
You'd have to be real kek'd in the head to seriously use Gentoo as an end user.
>>54423557
I meant this
Hello fellow ricers! Tell me please what file managers look similar to nautilus but are more lightweight?
>>54423564
> >they deviate away from tested upstream CFLAGS often making things slower
[Citation needed]
> >any speed gains wont even make up the time of a single gcc compile in the users natural lifetime
[Citation needed]
> >every moment compiling is further debt of time, power and money.
[Citation needed]
>>54423855
>[Citation needed]
make.conf outputs to the build env.
>[Citation needed]
You're retarded if you think compiling software will make it fast enough to even make up 20 minutes spent on compiling gcc once, let alone updating it and installing/updating every other package on the machine.
>[Citation needed]
You're coming across as seriously retarded at this point.
>>54423916
>make.conf outputs to the build env.
Oh and in case you ( too retarded to understand this, it overrides packages actual optimisations set out in build files.
>>54423916
>You're retarded
[Citation needed]
>seriously retarded
[Citation needed]
>>54423924
>too retarded
[Citation needed]
I know some guy who installs Linux all the time... he's obsessed with it... esp. with source only distros. He talks about Linux all the time and making others install Linux. He seems like a total geek, but he actually works in a gas station... that's how I imagine many of these /g/ people are... obsessing over "most optimized distro" and shit like that, which is totally unimportant. People who get shit done IRL install whatever is most convenient, like Ubuntu. Even Linus Torvalds himself said on many occasions he wants distributions to be as easy as possible, and that he couldn't even install Debian, it was too complicated for him... now imagine Gentoo? He would never use that... all in all I think this is some sort of modern mental illness. My advice for people on /g/ is - try to stop focusing on "elite" and "perfect" and think about how you can learn things that are useful... make a website, make an app, use a simpler OS like Xubuntu ... really don't waste your lives.
>>54420488
>using byzanz on GNOME
press Ctrl+Alt+Shift+R to record, rookie
https://fun.irq.dk/funroll-loops.org/
>>54420426
>not vim
>not cmus
>not firefox or elinks
>using steam
Why do you even run Gentoo?
>>54419695
Sudo apt install xfce anon :^)
>>54421461
i bet she wasnt free
>>54419538
I don't feel special installing things like a GUI myself and I'm not running a server.
Installed Arch on a VM the other day
It was boring and way easier than everybody made it out to be, a waste of my time
>>54419538
Because when I bake bread I don't harvest and mill a fucking wheat field for my goddamned flour.
There is merit in knowing HOW something is done, but none in circlejerking away time better spent on other things.
>Why aren't you installing Gentoo?
Because I installed Slackware instead :3
>ps. install Slackware
>>54419538
Because Mint is installed and good to go five minutes after I boot off the DVD.
>>54419538
Because I installed it in 2004.
Cause I have this
>>54423564
Well you are wrong.
Gentoo users know that the binaries they produce aren't any faster than Ubanto or Arch. We use sane CFLAGS 99% of the time. Compiling from source makes things easier when you are using dynamic libraries and patches.
>>54419768
Until next weeks update...
>>54421461
lol that fatlard is lucky
>>54425833
Actually with portage you can selectively update packages, mask versions etc.
You probably wouldn't know unless you had actually used it but portage is better than any other package manager.
Cause is useless, use Mint, much better
>>54426227
Mint is like ubuntu for tards.
Which is bad considering ubuntu itself is linux for tards.
>>54423845
Thunar is delivered with xfce, take a look at it bro
>>54419664
No, it is not.Problems with shutdown,apparmor,and nvidia on a fresh installation.I fell for the hype meme and it's not going to happen again.
Debian testing is all I need
>>54423564
Actually the idea of compiling everything is quite logical(certainly better than using language VMs). It's just C/C++ compilation time is disgustingly slow.
>>54425482
If you can keep that shit running,you may just achieve the ultimate power level.It's based on Gentoo,but imho,it's actually harder to maintain.
I have it installed but it's useless because I can't install git.
Here's something you're sure to enjoy:
one of git's dependencies requires perl 20
another of git's dependencies requires perl 22.
what the fuck
>>54427150
Wtf u talking about? I have git installed on gentoo and it works just fine.
>>54426366
Yeah, you're not leet unless you compile your own distro. Casual noobs.
>>54419538
I have actual work to do today.
>>54427955
Do it when you get off work wage cuck
>>54427993
kill yourself you good for nothing
>>54428016
Don't talk to me like that
>>54419538
>Why aren't you installing Gentoo?
Because I don't need my monitor displaying compiler output for hours just to make my friends (or in your case, mother) think I'm smart.
>>54420426
>1280x800
Poorfag with entry level macbook detected.
>>54428146
Nu male cuck detected
>>54419538
i would love to try it but compiling it on my c2d proc would take days.
>>54428326
That's part of the gentoo experience though
>>54428510
I'll try it when I stop being a poorfag.
>>54423564
>I read funroll-loops.info once and think it's representative of Gentoo users
I don't give a shit about performance, that's not the reason why I use Gentoo.
Heck, my distro is actually pretty sluggish - because I enable all toolchain hardening features and use a PaX / grsec kernel with auditing turned on and plenty of hardening features enabled.
Not to mention that stuff like Firefox is also pretty damn slow because I turn off hardware acceleration (and banned Firefox from using my GPU at all, since it's a big security risk).
I would be the last person to care about compiling from source somehow magically gives me better performance. I just want the flexibility that I can only get out of a source-based distro.
>>54425482
>Sabayon
https://ciaranm.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/paludis-gentoo-and-exherbo/
>>54428326
Took less than five hours on my E8400@stock (default profile, compiling xorg, gcc, mesa, firefox and whatnot).
>>54431075
>firefox
you know every user of gentoo just use a binary for firefox right? for compile really you need like eww 5 days
>>54428961
This, i want minimal dependencies for software that i absolutely need while using every hardened features.
laptop safely emerged and compiled new kernel
4.4.8@hardened-sources
>>54431128
And I want a system without systemd, dbus, pulseaudio or any of that garbage. I want the ability to use KDE programs like kolourpaint without pulling in all of fucking KDE just to do so.
Only Gentoo provides me with this flexibility because it allows me to actually disable optional dependencies. I find it pretty absurd that so much effort goes into making ./configure flags for every optional dependency of every major software, when 99% of distros won't even let you touch them and just turn everything on.
>>54431106
>you need like eww 5 days
Nah, a slihtly old i5 can compile firefox in about 30 minutes when using -j5.
>>54419538
Because I install LFS ;^)
>>54432326
apt-get install opisafaggot --no-install-recommends
Gee that was hard.
>>54433404--no-install-recommendswon't remove compile-time dependencies you clueless piece of shit, it can only address runtime dependencies and even then it barely removes most of them.
Having a single binary system for opting in or out of rdepends does not make a replacement for USE flags.
There are literally more combinations of USE flags in a single gentoo package than there are packages in the typical apt systems*. Don't try to pretend your inferior packaging system can be anything close to a replacement.
* and I wasn't even counting optional language support
>>54433471
My bad.
The reason I never bothered with Gentoo is because I am not autistic enough to:
A) Care
B) Fix the problems that may be caused by having something added or removed to the flag set that I shouldn't have.
How does the package manager compare to NixOS or GUIX?
Actually looking to install gentoo. What's /g/'s top tip?
>>54419538
Because I'm installing waifu2x on a T450s shell.
because im already using it!
>>54431106
I use binary, but it's not because it takes long to compile (it takes about half an hour, both mesa and especially libreoffice are worse).
I use it in binary form because for some reason it's unstable as fuck when I compile it. It just starts crashing on random sites, and stuff.
This doesn't happen with any other GTK+ program, or indeed any program at all on my system, so it's obviously not an issue with the system, and I have no idea why it does that at all. Maybe it's in my plugins, but I couldn't find one which causes it, am not willing to change those anyway, and the problem goes away on binary for some reason.
I honestly just assumed Mozilla build system is broken, and uses magical compiler parameters that Gentoo maintainers can't figure out to make everything work, somehow.
