I see that systemd is nsa cancer pretty much so what old distro version do i use thats free of this cancer?
Is there an old manjaro distro? an old ubuntu version before the amazon spyware and selling out?
>>54413792
who gave that pussy a gun?
looks like ubuntu 10.10 is a pretty good choice.
free of systemd or any amazonspyware, outdated and no updates but who needs them when its running fine and you can secure it?
>>54413792
Install Gentoo.
I'm not joking. Gentoo uses openrc instead of systemd.
If you don't want Gentoo, arch can have systemd changed to openrc, but that isn't officialy supported, and it might cause you trouble, and you won't be able to get help.
>>54413792
>what old distro version
Git gud and get Gentoo.
Anyway, many debian maintainers escaped the sinking boat and they soon will have ready a systemd-free distro.
If no, just use Lubuntu, is comfy.
>>54413792
>being this concerned about botnet
Stop hoarding cp you cunt
>>54414003
>supporting NSA spying on your relative's picture
FUCK OFF SICK BASTARD!!
I AM NOT JOKING
>>54413983
yes but if gentoo uses openrc too isnt it the same buggy shit?
im not familiar with the init system in 10.10 ubuntu but it should be pretty stable, secure and easy to use but also customize?
the only stable distro i remember using was manjaro that just kept working...but im not falling for the systemd cancer and shilling.
so it seems ill just have to use ubuntu10.10 and secure it with some "peerblock" like firewall rules my self?
its pretty old so it should be just what people need? stable and easy...but could be secured by yourself?
http://systemd-free.org/
He lists a few distros using OpenRC, one of them being Manjaro.
Im using the Manjaro one right now actually, pretty happy with it.
>>54414025
If its anything like sysvinit is not buggy shit, in fact I pretty much need something like it.
>>54414001
anon thank you for helping me, im not so experienced in the whole distros thing.
isnt lubuntu always based on the new ubuntu releases?
as such doesnt it still have the hidden amazon spy cancer or possible nsa backdoors?
i mean if they base it on ubuntu and if the canonical sellouts have backdoored the new ubuntus....wont lubuntu have them as well?
What is the problem with systemd? It works just fine for me.
>>54413983
>>54414049
Is OpenRC using /etc/rc0.d/?
If not, is anything like it?
>>54413792
>unironic systemd paranoia
systemd is free software and definitely an improvement over shitvinit.
It's time to grow up, OP.
>>54414069
Lubuntu is a separate distro, minimal and debloated.
Is not based on main Ubuntu and is free of amazon.
>>54414079
>>54414099
fuck thats some serious baiting, do not reply.
Anyway ANONS i need answers to my questions for the sake of everyone
1. is lubuntu based on the new ubuntu releases? therefore is there a chance that if canonical sneaked some spyware/nsa backdoor/amazon shit...would it slip to lubuntu?
Void Linux. It uses runit instead of sysvinit or systemd.
http://www.voidlinux.eu/download/
>>54414128
>inb4 yes it is based
When they decided to not ship it with systemdicks it stopped being strictly based on Ubuntu.
>>54414146
too hard to get into anon.
>>54414128
thank you anon, you convinced me to make the right choice at the right time. you pretty much saved me!
>>54414129
>fuck thats some serious baiting
Nah, it's just true. Most anti-systemd children can't even come up with a solid reason to avoid it.
Meanwhile, most mainstream distributions are picking it up because it's a huge improvement.
>>54414183
How about an entire page full you shill:
http://judecnelson.blogspot.de/2014/09/systemd-biggest-fallacies.html
>>54413940
America.
>>54414099
systemd sucks
>try to turn off computer
>I didn't close chrome
>systemd kills all of the processes one at a time taking ONE AND A HALF MINUTE for every single one
>my computer takes something like 6 minutes if not more when that happens, and it seems to be pretty much random
>normally it takes like 5 seconds
>mess up /etc/fstab when trying to make FAT32 pendrives writable
>systemd takes my computer hostage for one and a half minute before letting me fix it from cli
>kill the X server
>systemd kills my Emacs daemon along with it for NO FUCKING REASON
This NSA botnet needs to die in a fucking fire. It's one of the reasons why arch is not the best distro for me.
>>54414208
>>54414183
Heres a few more:
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
http://systemd-free.org/why.php
>>54413792
http://systemd-free.org/
>>54414183
>Most anti-systemd children can't even come up with a solid reason to avoid it.
most systemd hate boils to
>systemd is developed by poettering
>poettering is an asshole
>therefore systemd is shit
Shills, don't make me start too on giving the evidence for this worry.
Also many anons even manifested how they tried to cooperate with the developers but instead received trolling. Pretty suspicious.
>>54414183
for the other anons here, this is the usual "give a reason" tactic where they just keep making fun of you and deny/ignore solid logic like donkeys.
you dont need to prove or give a reason to anyone... the solid fact that systemd was developed by redhat which has ties with the NSA and spread to every distro suddenly with a lot of $$$ backing is enough to alarm you that its probably not safe at all.
any logical person would get an old version of a good distro or i guess like im downloading lubuntu now.
think about it... if a new system comes to town that has ties with the government and suddenly goes underneath every distro....it is the perfect place to hide code that would spy on everything... you gotta use a few braincells yourself.
dont bother replying or arguing with them, at the end of the day the important thing is to just make the right choice like all the smart people would do.
thanks for the help anons!
>>54414208
>>54414249
Ah, I forgot to mention this. You kids love to link your Holy Bibles. I'm not going to read all that shit -- try again.
>shill
This is an 18+ board.
If systemd is both shit and free software, why a better alternative hasn't been developed and adopted yet?
>>54413792
just use void linux
>>54414278
selinux is developed by NSA and was audited multiple times.
>>54414267
Look above you dipshit
>>54414249
>>54414208
>>54414232
>>54414268
Please do anon, id love to have the info on hand.
>>54414291
>Asks for one reason
>Gets 3 pages full
>Cant cope
>Full Damage Control
systemd shills everybody
>>54414278
>you dont need to prove or give a reason to anyone.
Holy shit, is this is what tinfoil wearers actually believe?
>systemd was developed by redhat which has ties with the NSA
You afraid of SELinux too? It was developed by the NSA themselves -- better stop using the Linux kernel!
>>54414129
Bad news, Lubuntu 16.04 replaced Upstart with systemd.
Makes me both, angry and sad.
>>54414317
even if they are not shills, they are stupid normies who cant think and dont want to think so they fall for it like donkeys. "oh give me a reason!" when they dont even want to listen.
would you bother arguing with the idiot that buys a new plastic car that can be hacked and disabled? i mean hes not going to change his opinion...
>>54414346
the flying fuck, they actually cancered it. almost fucking fell for that one.
dammit. thanks anon youre a life saver.
okay just gonna use fucking ubuntu 10.10
>>54414317
Again, you babies can't give me a solid reason why it's bad except for ridiculous accusations that the NSA decided to backdoor a libre init system.
Really?
>>54414362
>they are stupid normies who cant think and dont want to think
Who really can't think? Me or someone who believes bullshit conspiracy theories they read on the internet?
>>54414291
>gets completely fucking told
>muh bibles! le fedora tip, checkmate atheists!
So this is what a complete mental breakdown looks like.
>>54414362
In all honesty anon, i'm not even arguing, i'm sitting here eating pizza and waiting for my dungeon queue.
Posting anti-systemd info and watching the retards flail about is just a bonus for passing the time.
I don't use systemd, and so long as the glorious devs at gentoo give me a way out, i'll never have to.
>>54414317
>Please do anon, id love to have the info on hand.
Here I go. First some links.
>The End of Linux - blog dot lusis
http://blog.lusis.org/blog/2014/09/23/end-of-linux/
>Systemd: Harbinger of the Linux apocalypse | InfoWorld
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2608798/data-center/systemd--harbinger-of-the-linux-apocalypse.html
>systemd serious security flaw - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC8kNBFdXkE
>Mount efivarfs read-only · Issue #2402 · systemd/systemd · GitHub
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/2402
>>54414422
>>gets completely fucking told
When did copy-pasting a bunch of links constitute "telling"? I must've missed the memo.
>>54414342
as you can see anons, their tactics are kindergarden level shilling.
notice the irrelevant insult on his first comment labeling me as something, or what i believe in.
notice "well we cant use anything then" defeatist tactic when there is always a solution...just use something old.
naturally shills try to box you in like "theres nothing to do"
just use fucking ubuntu 10.10 and learn to firewall rule it like using peerblock.
>>54413792
Make your own that doesn't have systemd. I thought customization was one of the reasons freetards like Linux so much?
>>54414407
I gave you about 30, but I guess that number is a little beyond you.
>>54414439
>proovess??!??!?
>okay, here's several pages worth
>BUT MUH HOLY BIBLES!
Told Status:
[ ] Not Told
[ ] Told As Fuck
[X] Toldasaurus Rex
>>54414462
Post all the memes and links you want. Doesn't change the fact that your beliefs have no factual basis.
>>54414426
no, you must realize.
your time is precious and you cant keep wasting it to get into writing with them.
i mean posting the info to fuck with them here and there is good work...but dont get your time wasted.
you seem like you should do something better than playing MMOS as i thank you for the advice.
remember, the chans are the best time consuming cancer invented to keep you from doing anything.
before you realize youve wasted hours of your day reading meaningless bullshit and threads designed to make you feel bad "black dick is better".
even reading what idiots write is bad for your psyche, just the emotions it gives you.
if you were bored instead you would force yourself to watch something new, read or do some hobby thing.
remember my advice young anon, make your chan time constructive because this is time cancer.
>>54414484
>no factual basis
this is true, so long as you ignore all the actual, already provided facts.
>>54414484
>here are several pages of verified facts defending a position
>BUT HOW CAN WE KNOW?
>WHAT ARE "FACTS" ANYWAY?
>WHO DECIDES WHAT A "FACT" EVEN IS?!?
>DON'T SOUND TOO LOGICAL OR SCIENTIFIC TO ME! NO SIRREE!
>MUH HOLY BIBLES THO!
Also, check 'em?
Aren't there distributions without systemd?
I'm fairly sure most GNU/Linux users want their system to work.
Some of them use their systems to work.
If you like to tinker and dislike systemd at the same time why not make your own?
I just don't get the general shitflinging.
systemd is free software licensed under LGPL.
If there was a better alternative it surely would've been used no?
>>54414506
All I've seen are hyperbolic opinion pieces.
>>54414520
>verified facts
kek
>>54414437
I've been trying to resume much of it but there are quite a lot of flaws on systemd, plus we all know the other risks we face.
First, I can't stress enough how much systemd resembles the Borg, assimilation everything. This by itself is a liability because we can't cope, small developers can't cope, with auditing all the code.
The unix philosophy gave us a clear understanding that if one tool fails we at least have others. But not with this cancer.
The development model is clearly in favor of big businesses, which only they can maintain and possibly create an scenario of "embrace, extend, extinguish" even among the libre community itself!
>>54414520
>>here are several pages of verified facts defending a position
i've read that "debunking common myths" blog.
It doesn't really point out anything wrong with systemd but just addresses common myths associated with it.
It doesn't say anywhere "systemd is bad" or "systemd is good"
So really, this article doesn't really prove any of your points.
Stop being so crazy about it anon.
It's just software. Don't like it, don't use it.
there is a debian fork without systemd
but good luck anon regardless of the way you decide to go at it.
>>54414524
fuck this shilling is some smooth shit.
"if there was a better alternative it would have been made guiseee"
"you would have to make your own guisee"
"you cant even use linux without systemd guysee"
for the rest of you actual people here, just use ubuntu 10.10 if you want something that is easy to use but you can still tinker it, you can secure and it wont fucking crash.
remember the key is modesty...since cancer is infecting everything...you just want something that was working good and stable, as the kernel was, so just use ubuntu 10.10
you dont need to be "up to date" with the botnet.
ask yourself, are the new versions really that "Fast" or bug free?
or was ubuntu 10.10 working pretty fine?
>>54414550
>it's all bullshit!
>systemd is our lord and savior!
>muh holy bibles!
lel, no
>>54414604
I'm not the guy who called you out for holy bibles.
>>54414550
>Dont like it, dont use it.
this is a fallacy, this stupid shit is infecting every mainstream distro, if left unopposed it will infect everything.
were having to make threads and craft custom images just to get rid of it, imagine how fast this shit would have spread or how fucked we'd be if gentoo didnt start openrc and fork udev.
think outside that box.
>>54414616
>but muh holy bibles tho!
lol
>>54414540
I mean, "su" replaced by systemd!? Totally madman!
Do you know this cancer opens network sockets to "start faster"? Of course this is a risk, who know is listening at the other side! (Ok, we all know who).
You can read more of what I mean about this chimera here https://randomascii.wordpress.com/2014/03/31/you-got-your-web-browser-in-my-compiler/
And is not all, we can't use syslog because it replaces it with journaling. Is not being able to know what logs into my computer independently from systemd a feature???
>>54414630
are you stupid?
I'm not the guy who rants about holy bibles and mile long pages.
Fucking GNU/neets i swear to my god.
>>54414650
wait...you are telling me
that systemd has to open newtwork sockets to start faster?
and that it doesnt even let you see logs?
fucking lmao
anyone using systemd must be pretty stupid to not realize what the fuck is going on.
>>54414650
>Is not being able to know what logs into my computer independently from systemd a feature???
Yes, provided you're a surreptitious third party looking to snoop, or a developer who's worried primarily about making his life as a coder easy with no consideration whatsoever for the end user.
>>54414655
>CHECKMATE ATHEISTS!
lel
>>54414650
But less than this should be enough to doubt for a reasonable person. But we are not talking about reasonable people here, of course we have shills!
This propaganda is what's more frightening about systemd!
I think that's all I wanted to say.
I love these threads.
They're the ultimate proof this board is full to the brim with /v/edditors.
The personification of "I don't like something but I don't want to move out of my comfort zone to do something about it so I'd rather just sit here complaining about it maybe someone will notice and make those important decisions for me".
Such a normie thing to do.
>>54414688
>and that it doesnt even let you see logs?
This is what I've been saying throughout the thread. None of you have any idea what you're talking about.
You just repeat one another's nonsense, sometimes in the form of lengthy religious texts which you actually expect me to read.
>>54414717
I think it's safe to say that most people who take issue with systemd aren't using it.
>>54414717
but anon we resolved the problem pretty quickly.
anyone who doesnt like systemd could use an old ubuntu or something else?
>>54414232
sounds like you're incompetent and don't know what the fuck you're doing; I suggest you try something more idiot friendly, like an ipad
TL;DR: systemd is the scvhost.exe of Linux, hacker's favorite target.
>>54414761
svchost*
cracker's*
>>54414746
>shitty NSA botnet doesn't work because it's developed by a bunch of idiots
>you’re just retarded
I think that you're wrong.
>>54414746
fuck sounds to me like anon just gave a pretty good user experience reason how systemd can just take over your system and do whatever it wants....if it wanted.
>>54414540
>unix philosophy
>I don't know what the fuck I'm babbling about
>>54414023
>he hoards cp, sells drugs to kiddies on the deepweb, and distributes cp there too
>calls others a sick bastard
Lol
>>54414049
Manjaro will be then.
>>54414540
>can't cope
>can't cope
omg! what are we going to do?!? fucking retard
Thread overrun by shills, escape while you can.
>>54414599
>are the new versions really
yes, they are
>or was
not really
>>54413792
I heard windows is systemd free. Check it out, it's made by microsoft.
>>54414793
what you think is irrelevant, we don't listen to the mentally ill
>>54414799
>systemd can just take over your system
it can't; there, I gave you a good user experience why it doesn't
>>54414850
yes but it liked to update even when i told it not to update so i had to lobotomize it by killing the service.
then...you just have to give up when you cant win sometimes, dont you?
Muh systam d boogayman xDDD
While I do not agree with some of their design choices and how the developers act in regards to bugreports, systemd is overall a good improvement over conventional init systems.
>>54415297
Unity on Gentoo? Kill yourself
>>54414820
the shill is strong in this one
>>54413792
UH, GUISE
There is an OpenRC distribution of manjaro, you know that don't you?
And to be perfectly honest, gentoo is not that hard. Sure it'll give you a full day worth of trouble, but that's it. If you care about securing your system this is the least you can do
>>54414129
>Claims posts is bait
>Post a superbait post instead
Nice try, Pajeet
>>54414793
>NSA botnet
>MEMES MEMES MEMES
neo-/g/ everyone
>>54414540
>First, I can't stress enough how much systemd resembles the Borg
The Borg pursue perfection
> This by itself is a liability because we can't cope, small developers can't cope, with auditing all the code.
Prepare to be assimilated
>>54414558
It’s not a fork. Debian vanilla supports using whatever init system you want; it just defaults to systemd. https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_without_systemd
