>a fresh benchmark that was recently taken shows dramatic differences in DX11 and DX12 performances
>https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/hitman-2016-pc-graphics-performance-benchmark-review,7.html
>while AMD's performance is better with DX12 compared to DX11, Nvidia's performance in DX12 is worse than DX11.
>>"If you try DX12 mode on a GeForce, once you start the game or benchmark simply wait ... it can take 5 minutes before the bechmark sequence or the game itself starts. We have to say that we are incredible disappointed about the quality control on DX12 from the developper. These things just shouldn't happen. Very sloppy."
How does it feel to be on suicide watch, Jewvidia faggots? How does it feel that the company you've bought your graphics card from fugged you over and they will force you to buy their latest cards to be able to play DX12 properly? How does it feel that a 900$ worth (980 Ti) is getting beaten by a 500$ card (290X) in DX12 in both 1080p and 1440p?
Angry froggy
I'm a #AMDMissile but desu Hitman is really shoddy, it's as bad as goyworks optimization wise, on any card
Anyway's, even then this gen looks like FX+Fermi for Nvidia, they're fucking up everything
>>54405029
Will I see similar improvements on my HD6870?
Wait, why is DX12 okay now?
>>54405178
Thats a DX11 game ported to work as DX12, not a true DX12 game.
I just cant get nvidia this year. async,dx12,prices high as fuck, 3.5 meme...
I too am an AMDMissile now.
>>54405029
The 980ti is $600 and the 290x was $300. But yeah.
>>54405337
Even worse. Nvidia deserve the die
cool story bro
>>54405029
>Hitman
Literaly who cares
>>54405137
Bump
>>54405137
Another 6870 user here, I don't even think we're getting DX12 drivers since AMD flat out said no Vulkan drivers which is basically the same thing
>>54405192
>not a true DX12 game
Pic related is the only true DX12 game confirmed by Nvidia.
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/dx12/games
>>54405540
So that's what happens when they disable async.
Interesting.
>>54405540
>Pic related is the only true DX12 game confirmed by Nvidia.
You mean so far it's the only game with DX12 whose developer Nvidia bribed into intentionally gimping AMD hardware.
>>54405137
There is a beta Crimson driver out for the 6000 series, but I don't know if that includes dx12 or just the interface. My understanding was that anything pre gcn wasn't going to be supported anymore. But then they popped out the legacy Crimson. The 6000 series was never sold or advertised as being dx12 ready at any point in its life, so keep that in mind.
>>54405540
What the fuck is this game even? Never heard of it. Not gonna play. Into the trash it goes.
>>54405029
The r9 390 would probably be equivalent to the 290X right?
>>54405540
>true dx12 because nvidia said so
>no bribes, we promise!
>>54405540
This, ashes of the singularity and hitman are all shit games no one will play. It doesn't matter if they're dx12.
The real dx12 games will be like bf5 or some of the other AAA titles coming out this September.
>>54405137
No, no dx12 for non GCN cards. 7670M here.
>>54405540
>true dx12 game
>nvidia doesn't even have gpus that support dx12
How does this work then?
>>54405137
HD6xxx series still uses VLIW4, not GCN. It's not DX12 compatible in hardware.
Just upgrade to the 480x when it comes out, supposedly it'll cost 250$ and perform on par with the 290x.
>>54405814
But I bought it in late 2012. Why isn't it supported?
And why would I buy from a brand that refuses to support it's products? Fermi is still getting updates.
My next card will be nvidia.
Fuck AMD.
>>54405872
You're a retard.
![cHFgfoL[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/DU1u3Nk.jpg "cHFgfoL[1].jpg")
>>54405029
PLEASE DELETE THIS
>>54405872
Why would you fall for their lies
>>54405137
>>54405814
>>54405872
the hd6xxx series is old. Shit was released back in... 2010. The concept of Mantle, Vulkan and DX12 didn't even exist back then.
>>54405978
2010? Same as fermi, which is still getting some dx12 support and game ready driver updates
>>54405872
you bought an ancient fucking card, fuckwit
>>54405029
>yfw GTX 780 TI & Titan
>below 285/380
TOP KEK NVIDIA.
>>54405989
no you fag, it isn't getting full dx12 support, not the same way gcn cards are getting it. why the fuck were you buying a 2 year old card in the first place
>>54405029
amd fags continue to cling to direct x12 and the windows 10 botnet as their last hope and savior.
kek
>>54405781
Its about the same stock for stock. The 290X is better hardware but the 390 has better clocks. You can just clock a 290x to 390 clocks and its better since the 390 is basically a 8GB 290x with stuff disabled.
>>54406046
Because I had no idea AMD would drop support for it and it was on sale.
And partial dx12 support and updated driver support is a lot better than what AMD is offering.
Fuck off shill
>>54406144
you know that fermi isn't getting shit right
>>54406168
It is and you know it. They can't announce it and then change their minds, and it's still getting game ready driver updates.
>We have to say that we are incredible disappointed about the quality control on DX12 from the developper. These things just shouldn't happen. Very sloppy."
Are you literally fucking retarded?
.... It says RIGHT THERE that's it's the game dev's fault, not Nvidia's.
How insecure do you need to be about AMD that you need to resort to this shit?
AMD has been amazing this year. I bought a pair of 290s when they first came out and they're still super competitive nearly 3 years later. Ever since crimson they've had a driver release it seems like every other week.
>>54406216
>"game ready" driver updates
WHQL certified housefires
>>54406304
kek
>>54406261
>Ever since crimson they've had a driver release it seems like every other week.
And still the bugs persist.
>>54405029
So basically anyone who has an Nvidia card shouldn't bother 'upgrading' to Windows botnet 10
>>54406227
>amd runs like shit on anything Nvidia touches.
>should've bought a real graphics card, fuck off amdipshits.
>Nvidia runs worse than amd ever, even marginally.
>the developers suck!
>they intentionally gimped Nvidia!
>Nvidia says the dx12 drivers are right around the corner, why would they lie?
>>54405801
>don't support DX12
Except they do, they just don't have async shaders. You people are idiots.
Nvidia should just give the finger to Microsoft and DX12 and push for Vulkan, they already had really good OpenGL implementation with their near zero driver overhead plugins.
Not to mention they would get the Licucks market and Windows 7 too.
>>54407717
>Not to mention they would get the Licucks market
inb4 non-free drivers reeeee
>>54405786
bf5 should use vulkan; old DICE games ran on mantle
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>>54408021
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>>54405587
>nvidia does worse
>"NVIDIA FAGGOTS ON SUICIDE WATCH!"
>nvidia does better
>"Nvidia bribed them"
take that foil hat off
>>54407964
Oh right, Nvidia licucks drivers are already good giving the same performance as Windows, thats something they have as advantage too.
>>54408021
Async Shaders and Async Computer ain't the same.
>>54408084
It's been pretty gud senpai. The meme about AMD drivers being bad is old, AMD's driver support is probably better than Nvidia's
>>54405029
>>>ⅣꜾⱧȺǸ/V/
The Nvidiot damage control in this thread is fucking delicious
>>54408250
AMD shilling is the best though. Both companies just want your money for the least effort they can get away with. Nvidia now just fallen a bit behind, but they are still supporting their old products. AMD now decided to discontinue perfectly fine cards just because they feel you should buy the new one.
relevant:
>>54405590
>>54406068
>>54406166
amdrones finally come out with the truth. how will the shills defend one of their own talking shit about their beloved company
>>54408502
my r9 270x works fine familia
is vulkan linux driver/ will I be able to play diablo 3 on linux someday or some year?
>>54408593
Yes, I wouldn't expect it sooner than 2035 though.
>>54408640
lol. pretty much my feel as well. been hearing about it for some years now I believe.
Ah well . dual boot ftw
Everyone, report these blatant AMD shill threads and don't reply to them. These threads are made by an "underground" marketing company contracted by AMD to increase sales in any way possible.
Every single AMD-positive or AMD-vs-Nvidia thread is made by these shillposters in a pathetic attempt to increase sales by single digit figures.
Report and ignore.
>>54405300
>AMDMissile?
I always thought it was you were a fanATIc or an nvidiot.
>>54408502
280x, fantastic performance, none of the graphical errors he talks about while using the same programs, and the free game is part of a vender vouture you get not one they give to you though amd.
>>54408502
I have a 390 and have never experienced issues except for KF2 which runs like shit compared to the 970
And what a surprise its a nvidia bribed game
>>54408502
What a bunch of horseshit. Had my MSI 390 since September and never had a single issue with it. All the games I've played have worked flawlessly.
>>54408502
Can confirm. Had a 390x and the drivers were awful. I had to look for fixes for every new game.
Knew AMD hardware has been optimal for dx12 for years before it actually released.
Bought a r9 390 knowing this.
Sure is good paying 1/3 the price of your Titan.
Well I wonder why it performs better on AMD?
Remember, when AMD has biased and sponsored games it's ok, but when Nvidia does it they're an evil corporation
>>54411893
Nvidia gimps AMD, while AMD takes advantage of superior async shaders familia
>>54412024
>Nvidia is better at tessellation and leverages it in games
>AMD is better at async compute simply because they have a dedicated engine for it so they leverage it in games
>One is gimping and the other is not
>It's ok when AMD does it
>>54412118
>Nvidia is better at tessellation and leverages it in games
To impractical levels, where it has literally no visible effect, other than to gimp AMD
>>54412118
public use libraries + industry standard API features > Gameworks
I'd be stretching the truth to day it's not biased toward AMD right now, given async
I'd be interested to see the 1080's performance if it gets the feature
The gameworks claims are fucking hilarious. AMD has had these driver issues since they were ATi.
>>54412230
You're fucking delusional f@m, have you even fucking owned an AMD gpu since 7xxx series?
Is there a chance for the 280x to eventually perform as well as the 970 does now? I'm hoping to get into VR at some point, so I need to know if I'll need an upgrade.
>>54406144
>Because I had no idea AMD would drop support
Erm, that's what happens to old cards. You bought a two year old card four years ago. That's more than half a decade. As for Fermi support, to all intents and purposes that's purely symbolic. It won't actually improve performance any and it the cards won't be capable of running any dx12 games in any acceptable manner.
>>54412118
>Nvidia polishes a technology and then helps devs implement it to an unrealistic extent, negatively impacting their competitor and their own hardware to a lesser extent
>AMD polishes a technology and then helps devs implement it with the option of it being disabled for NVidia cards that don't support it, which is all of them
Yeah you're right, I don't see a difference. You going to defend PhysX still using x87 code as well?
>>54412346
>implying you can't turn down the tessellation in AMD's software, or even the game .ini files
>>54412255
Are people still googling how to fix games running the latest AMD cards?
That's a rhetorical question, I already know they are.
>>54412346
Fucking hilarious.
ATi only made proprietary extensions. AMD wasn't even part of the Khronos group until last year after their failed attempt at killing OpenGL and the only reason they open any of their tech is because their market share is so small that nobody will use it.
>>54412418
you didn't answer my question tripkanker faggot
>>54408084
Not as important with DX12.
>>54412462
Who gives a shit about Direct X 12 its proprietary Microsoft garbage, nothing even uses it.
>>54412480
it's analog to vulkan, tripwhore
>>54412501
>responding to shills
>>54412480
>Literally every game requires Windows to play on PC
>Linux support getting better but still shit
>lel for anyone on Mac
>All of the sudden DX12 only being on W10 is now a problem
>muh spying
>implying Microsoft isn't spying on every Windows version now, and wasn't before
>implying it devs don't take their sweet ass time to implement a new API, like how long it took them to start fully using DX11
>>54412517
The only reason devs ever update to the latest Direct X versions is because they are forced to. Direct X 12 won't be relevant until they start dropping support for 11 and the latest version of Direct X hasn't ever meant shit for anyone playing the games.
>>54412571
>The only reason devs ever update to the latest Direct X versions is because they are forced to. Direct X 12 won't be relevant until they start dropping support for 11 and the latest version of Direct X hasn't ever meant shit for anyone playing the games.
How do you compress so much wrong into only two sentences?
>>54412416
So AMD launching a fix for something somehow makes that thing not scummy in the first place? As for editing .ini files, that's not something the average gamer will do.
>>54412600
Except I'm not wrong, Xbox and Windows devs won't switch until they are forced to by dev kit updates and even then they will be the same poorly ported AAA garbage spoonfed by some soulless game review blogger.
>>54405029
Canadian spotted
>>54412660
>Even more wrong except this time it only comes in one sentence.
Wow, you're actually getting worse. Tell me your secrets troll, how do you do it?
amd4lyf
>>54412693
These stuidios in house devs typically don't even bother to learn the latest DirectX and they actually pay a third party to port it for them, which amounts to a bunch of pajeets with a wrapper squashing bugs.
And thats why you spend $600 bucks to play a game at 45fps.
>>54412708
you know it familia
>>54412693
That picture makes no sense
>>54412738
>Someone sees through my trolling
>Quick, make a joke about foreigners!
>>54412738
Also typically those same pajeets will come out with a finished product that runs fine on Nvidia but not AMD and the studio is too cheap to pay them for more man hours to fix it because lolAMD no driver updates/fixes and they can't give a timetable for how long it would take to write a bunch of work arounds.
>>54412764
if you want to kill yourself slice your arms along your veins, not across
that's what that tripwhore should do
>>54412764
it's a talking razor instructing a reader how he should kill himself.
remember, it's down the block, not across the street
>>54412806
>More bullshit
You're really bad at this. Seriously, you need to drop the trip if you're going to try to troll people because everyone knows you're a shitty troll at this point.
>>54412834
>>54412851
Except that's stupid. Across you only hit a single superficial vein at best, and not even a particularily big one. Across you can score not only the cephalic and basilic veins in one swoop, but also the radial and possible even the ulnar artery if you press real hard enough and use something better than a razor.
>>54412882
*first one was "along"
>>54412880
Just doing my due diligence helping out my fellow forum users avoid a bad investment in a company that increasingly drops support for cards and releases slower and slower updates/fixes.
>>54412935
you are full of it tripwhore, you have yet to answer my questions
have you owned an amd card since 7xxx?
>>54412935
You're really not fooling anyone. Why do you even bother?
>>54405989
Fermi DX12 is still pending
My guess is they just never do it
>>54413062
Do you think NVidia would do that? Lie to paying customers? That would be a pretty scummy thing to do.
>>54408905
It's a Ted Cruz joke
>>54413078
Yes people should be worried about support from the only GPU company to ever consistently provide it.
>>54413100
>Yes people should be worried about support from the only GPU company to ever consistently provide it.
We're talking about NVidia here, not Intel. Shush child, the adults are talking.
>>54413139
Intel drivers typically lag behind Nvidia in OpenGL support and stability.
>>54405587
>it's okay when AMD does it
>>54413154
Children should be seen, not heard. Go away and allow your betters to speak, boy.
>>54405029
you will never convince me that my purchase of a 980ti was a bad investment.
it is the best video card i have ever owned and i run my shit at 1440p
:)
Nvidia
>the way the game was meant to be played
AMD
>DX12 (more like dix12 lmao)
Is there really any competition here?
>itt
>>54413353
i want a 3rd party go come in and kill off all amd and nvidia faggots.
Video games are dead company's don't give a fuck anymore. Fuck you all
>>54413423
Nice shoop faggot the original was an AMD card
>>54413423
>Barely spending more on the graphics card than the shitty special edition game
As if we didn't have enough proof that furries were retarded.
>>54413513
>AMD
>at a Twitchcon
lol
Y'know, I always see endless praise for AMD on /g/ and /v/, but when I look at user reviews for AMD cards I always see low average reviews, very negative reviews and huge problems. I've always loved ATi, but after the AMD buyout, I had nothing but problems with their cards.
I'm starting to think AMD really is shilling on 4chan.
>>54413353
>144 Hz monitor only a R9 380
>>54413423
>This won't even play it at 720p
>>54413423
>gtx 950
>literally one of the shittest cards you can get
>furfag thinks this is something to show off
>>54413535
No goyim, Nvidia is evil!
Look at the 970!
Wood screws!
Housefires!
1.7%!
Memes! Memes!
Fuck this bullshit i'm buying a ps4 consoles for life.
>>54413581
>reviews need to be fair
Time for another exclusive benchmark from currytech!
>>54413581
Didn't Nvidia release card breaking drivers earlier this year?
>>54413711
They both did
But remember, only Nvidia is evil and incompetent
Am I the only one who legitimately would rather have Nvidia's more consistent compatibility and driver support plus shit like NVENC than a few extra frames in games thanks to Async compute?
AMD has issues in shit like Second Life and a few other programs, CUDA is often better supported than OpenCL (which also works on Nvidia anyway), and NVENC makes screen recording and streaming and shit basically a non-issue on any computer. That's more important to me than 5 more FPS in Hitman.
Not even shilling, I'm sure AMD is legitimately better in Async compute thanks to their architecture and "MOAR CORES" philosophy, I just feel like Team Green offers the better end-user experience overall. GPUs are about more than games these days.
>>54413789
You forgot
>The Way It's Meant to be Played™
>>54413789
nah i agree.
>>54405540
here's your (you)
>>54413843
Thanks!
>>54408084
>AMD drivers work
>nvidia drivers fail
ayyyyy
I've been beta testing AMD's new AMDGPU-PRO Vulcan drivers in GNU/Linux and i'm getting the same gaming feel on Linux as I do on Windows with GNU/Linux supported games in Steam.
>>54412451
>ATI is one of the founders of Khronos
>"they only joined last year!"
>>54413789
>Second life
People actually play that shit unironically? Your post really does read like an advertisement.
> I just feel like Team Green offers the better end-user experience overall. GPUs are about more than games these days.
Are you serious?
>>54413749
That was due to a third party OC tool and the claims of burned cards are dubious as they'd throttle and shut down before taking damage from thermal overload. Killing a card with too high a voltage, on the other hand, is not something that's protected against and is exactly what's happened with NVidia in the past. Not to mention the drivers that bricked laptop screens and so on and so on.
>>54405786
Forza beta is already out and Nvidia can't even run it for most people
>>54414444
he's right though. nvidia gives a better overall experience across games and complex software.
>good game performance
>good cuda support in complex software
>good drivers for alternate operating systems
amd is unironically worse in all 3.
>>54414556
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn4sRrHigy4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdvWjntnnc0
u wot?
>>54414561
>>good game performance
>>good cuda support in complex software
>>good drivers for alternate operating systems
Two of those are absolutely irrelevant for the vast majority of gamers and the first one varies depending on price point. Please, shill more.
>>54414624
>original posts clearly says "GPUSs are about more than games these days."
>other post clearly says " better overall experience across games and COMPLEX SOFTWARE"
>retard still narrows it down to just the gamer market
please, be a retard somewhere else.
>>54414556
A GTX 980Ti stock clocks can run it at 8K staying above 30FPS max setings.
>>54414719
Name one common use for cuda cores. Please tell me how many people actually make use of this "complex software"
As for loonix support, this doesn't even need to be addressed.
>>54412277
>erm
Gross.
>>54414789
as i do a lot of amateur video editing in my spare time for various different projects i use cuda in premiere pro. i have several friends who use maya every day for their projects and they have nvidia cards and utilize that cuda support. don't try and act like nobody has never bought a cheap nvidia graphics card to utilize cuda and make their workload easier in whatever way cuda can help them. like i said, i know several people who utilize cuda. maybe you don't because you're a forever alone shut in. don't worry, i don't judge though.
>>54413062
>Fermi DX12 is still pending
And always will be pending
>>54405976
>all that cherrypick from Nvidia sponsored sites
At least they will get DX12 for Fermi one day, when Wine supports DX12 with Nouveau drivers
>>54412451
I love how this tripfag tries to do what InElite used to do, but fails miserably all the time and no one gives him attention
>>54412660
>>54412600
DirectX 11.3 was launched is DX12 without the low level stuff, they're using DX12 for the performance gain and the marketing opportunities, high level DX will be supported for a long time
DX11.3 was launched along DX12 if you didn't know retarded tripfag, at least InElite was fun, you aren't even funny, you're just dumb
>>54413581
>not WHQL certified
>it means it's unstable
Meanwhile WHQL'ed Nvidia drivers brick cards three times every year
People with Nvidia have to wait for guinea pigs to test the drivers and report in forums, meanwhile anyone running AMD can update without fear
>>54413789
>NVENC
ATi did this first, in an hybrid solution called Avivo, then Intel did it first with a SIP encoder Quicksync, then AMD came again with their SIP solution called VCE and Nvidia was the late one in the game with NVENC, though they did got a hybrid solution back then through a third party using CUDA
Guess you get all your information from Nvidia marketing materials
Also, all this SIP encoders are pure shit, they're miles behind x264, and worst of it x264 is faster than them while delivering better quality, the only reason to use them is if you're really poor and have a really shit CPU that's already bottlenecking your shit
>>54414723
Is Forza 6 fps capped?
>>54405029
>DX12
https //www.twitch tv/nvidia
its starting
>>54416080
Cringe watching this Asian do his best Steve Jobs impersonation.
>>54416102
>MAGICAL
damn this is some nice tech
>>54416244
Isn't this fun?
Isn't this fun?
Isn't this fun?
>>54416299
yeah that tech looks sick
>>54414593
>unstable 60fps on a 980ti
>>54417084
you don't know how vsync works do you
GTX 1080 REVEALED JUST NOW SELL YOUR AMD STOCK AND JOIN THE #GREENREVOLUTION
>>54405029
>nvidia's card sucks
>"We have to say that we are incredible disappointed about the quality control on DX12 from the developper. These things just shouldn't happen. Very sloppy.
>AMD's card sucks
>AMD needs better engineers
Fuck paid media.
>>54405786
>ashes of the singularity
>hurr durr I only play cawd xD
>>54412118
It's legitimately nvidias fault for not implementing it in hardware as its part if dx12 base. If I'm not remembering incorrectly they even have better support for 12_1
>1080 overclocked 2.14Ghz
