For someone who isn't interested in computer games and tinkering with operating systems, is there any reason not to use a Mac?
The price
>>54391013
Games, corporate business, proprietary solutions, professional art/creative software: Windows
Computer science, security, back-end infrastructure from databases to web servers: Linux
Facebook and Reddit machine: Apple OSX
>>54391051
>Linux
>secure
>mint incident
>has been confirmed to have the most vulnerabilities
>>54391051
What's stopping people from programming and art/editing on a Mac?
>>54391051
I use mine as a 4chan machine. :^)
>>54391013
>laptop parts in desktops
>thermal throttling
>overall bad performance
>lack of user upgradeability and serviceability
>>54391013
>doesn't like tinkering with the OS
I use a Mac and I love tinkering with it.
>inb4 hurr durr locked-down meme
XNU and Darwin core is fully open source/free, and I can use dtrace and step through the running kernel if I want and develop all sorts of drivers for it.
>>54391063
>website gets hacked to to wordpress
>fucking wordpress
>hurr durr linux is insecure
End yourself
>>54391051
>"I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about", the post
>>54391063
>OSX
>still using 30 years old deprecated versions of coreutils
Try harder
>>54391084
Professional environment.
Have you actually seen any major programming house or film rendering studios use Macs more than at PR conferences?
Homebrew is a joke, and no actual computer animation house uses Macs.
>>54391051
Games, corporate business, proprietary solutions, professional art/creative software, computer science, security, back-end infrastructure from databases to web servers: OS X
Facebook and Reddit machine: Windows
Reddit and 4chan machine: Linux
>>54391102
>to to
Due to*
>>54391108
>you can't use mac for programming because these people use high-end linux blade servers for their rendering
>>54391096
>ui and corresponding applications completely closed-source
Nice botnet
>>54391013
Hackintosh exists
Dont pay for shitty overpriced hardware
>>54391128
No one's stopping you from using hobbyist OSes for professional tasks, anon.
You can go and write the next-gen competitor to ZFS as well on Cygwin, doesn't mean you should.
Likewise for doing anything on Macs. The whole ecosystem is hobbyist. Most people choose it because "it's intuitive" i.e. "I'm too stupid to learn how to do things properly and I like pretty shiny interfaces".
>>54391136
Solution: Don't use non-free software then. It's not like you're actually forced to use stuff that comes with OS X. I mean, what need do you really have for GarageBand and what need do you have for an free as in freedom version of it?
>>54391137
But doesn't Hackintosh have driver problems and such?
Might as well pay the price for reliability
>>54391165
At that point you're better off uninstalling everything except the kernel, and then building your way back up.
Why would you do that when Linux exists.
>>54391013
An Intel atom netbook would be better.
http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/rmbp-throttling-and-overheating.1688255/
Also, let's not forget 0.8ghz.
>>54391153
There's no such thing as "hobbyist" in the software world. Every single piece of new software starts out as someone's hobby and then it takes a professional turn if it becomes popular.
Linux started out as Torvald's hobby project to make an OS for his 386. Facebook started out as Zuckerbergs "wall of shame" project for mocking the girls he slept with in college. Microsoft started out as two geeks reverse engineering an Altair and pretending to have a company.
No one sits down and designs a feature-complete software from ground up in a "professional" way, it's always just some hobby project that becomes serious.
>>54391169
Just build a machine that's compatible
http://www.tonymacx86.com/buyersguide/april/2016
>>54391181
Because OpenDarwin > Linux.
>>54391195
>There's no such thing as "hobbyist" in the software world.
Pic related.
>>54391013
Do you like to take it up the ass? Then Macs are for you.
>>54391205
>Terrible hardware compatibility
"No"
>>54391136
>windows is good because it's closed and proprietary, and that means professional and high quality
>linux is good because it's free as in freedom
>gnu is shit because GPL is cancer
>bsd is better than gnu because it's not bloat
>linux is shit because it's UIs look shit
>mac os x is shit because it's UI looks good and is proprietary/professional, while the stuff that really matters is not only non-GNU BSD master race but also free as in freedom and a proper UNIX
>>54391241
>run OpenDarwin on a mac
>bad hw compatibility
u fucking wut m8?
>>54391169
hackintosh has better drivers than linux
Works Better On My Machine
>>54391195
Are you trying to imply that Macs are just hobbyist now but are going to somehow become mainstream?
Because they aren't. Mac OS market share is miniscule, like 5%, and going down and it will only get worse from here. Not only that, but iOS market share is tanking, Android is destroying it.
>>54391243
I just don't like Macs, okay. Deal with it, faggot.
>>54391243
>Entire usable OS is closed-source
>"Free as in freedom"
Lmao
>>54391255
>Buying a mac
>>>/reddit/
>>54391261
>Are you trying to imply that Macs are just hobbyist now but are going to somehow become mainstream?
That's not what I am implying, no. I am implying that all good software has hobbyist roots. After all, Apple's foundation was very anti-IBM and their first computer was "build it yourself".
>Mac OS market share is miniscule, like 5%, and going down and it will only get worse from here.
Are you really going to bring up minuscule market shares as an argument for ... anything?
>>54391279
>the window manager and the bundled programs is the "entire" OS
It's like you don't even know what a kernel is.
>>54391261
"Hobbyist" is not the opposite of "mainstream". "Professionals" do not make up the majority marketshare of computer users. You're an annoying idiot.
>>54391308
Hobbyist is by definition not mainstream.
>>54391289
It's funny how Macs are used by all the liberal paper pushers sitting back in their ivory towers, then when it comes to get real work done, the Windows machines come out.
Picture related.
>>54391315
No, hobbyist is by definition a noun for a person who has a hobby. It's not an adjective that describes something as "not mainstream".
Also, it is by no means the opposite of "professional" either. There are professional fishers, and there are people who fish as their hobby.
There are people who have programming as a hobby, and there are people who do programming for a living. There are even people who do both.
>>54391261
>Mac OS market share is miniscule, like 5%
So bigger than Linux on desktop and given with their aim at the premium sector.
>and going down and it will only get worse from here
That's not that the numbers are showing. Macs are the only desktops that don't tank in sales extremely. Apple could easy secure 10-15% if they would make their stuff affordable to poorfags.
>but iOS market share is tanking
It was never big beyond few years after launch because Android had shit hardware. Lagdroid might have a higher market share but Apple gets over 90% profits from the smartphone market. If you're an app developer, it's the only sensible choice.
>>54391315
But "not mainstream" is not by definition "hobbyist". Macs are not "hobbyist".
>>54391333
You might want to go back and look at a dictionary again.
>>54391300
>Completely unusable without an interface to interact with it
Wow ur smrt man
with all these arguments in favour of windows i don't know if it's /g/ anymore
>>54391331
>liberal paper pushers sitting in their ivory tower
You know, if it weren't for these paper pushers then the ISS wouldn't even happen.
Also, running monitoring systems is not a great feat.
No, you're right. Those without much interest in tech should use a Mac. I don't say this as a joke, I truly mean it. People act like Apple is the devil, but if you put some consideration into it, if apple wasn't real some other company would take its place.
Who are apple's customers? Teens, hipsters, and adults who don't know any better - the ignorant. You don't know what you don't know.
For example
>be your parents
>we need a computer
>walk into best buy
>wow that nice young man says I should get the Apple iMac, it is fast, has an intel processor, and etc etc
>well, if he says its the fastest, I want the best for me family
Alternatively
>be tween
>MOM I WANT AN IPHONE ALL MY FRIENDS HAVE IT
Also
>be hipster
>walk into starbucks
>take out Macbook
>I finally fit in!
Anyone who knew what they were doing would refuse to pay a grotesque sum for something that can be surpassed for a third of the price if done elsewhere
>>54391334
Macs have 5% market share and Linux 1%, both are absolutely pathetic compared to Windows which is around 90%.
>>54391343
>implying the proprietary GUI shell is the only way to interact with XNU
>implying opendarwin doesn't exist
>implying quartz server doesn't exist
>>54391339
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hobbyist
>>54391331
>look at this space man, I use the same computer as him because I have the same needs as a space man
>>54391364
where are the other 4 percent? are iOS/Android more popular than desktop linux?
>>54391364
What are the remaining 4% that apparently crushes Linux completely?
>>54391364
Professional solutions generally have lower marketshare than consumer solutions. It doesn't help your argument.
>>54391371
>look at 90% of the world using Windows
>>54391366
Then why wouldn't you just use Linux and get better hardware compatibility, instead of buying a shitty mac and wasting time on a horrible proprietary-acting kernel? :^)
>>54391377
FreeBSD and other obscure shit I imagine
>>54391389
That's hilarious because Windows is by far the market leader in business, it's even worse in the business sector for Macs than it is on the consumer sector.
>>54391389
By this logic Mac OS X is about 18 times more professional than Microsoft Windows.
>>54391394
see
>>54391389
>lol look at those hobbyist F1 drivers with their stupid hobby cars, don't they know that honda civics are used by way more people?
>>54391404
>he thinks XNU is proprietary
>he thinks Linux has better hardware capabilities
I happen to like an OS that doesn't drain my battery empty in 40 minutes.
Also, proper UNIX micro kernel and FreeBSD userland > Gahnoooooooo PLUS Loonix
>>54391422
F1 driving is by definition a hobby, because it is a sport.
It's not even certified to drive on regular roads.
>>54391433
Linux has far and away better hardware compatibility. Macs are locked to their shitty proprietary hardware.
>>54391046
>>54391089
This. Also HomOS X is generally a shit operating system for doing even simple tasks. Just stick with a windows APU laptop or build a cheap AM1/FM2+ desktop if you're not interested in vydias and ricing your desktop.
>>54391364
It's like pushing out cheap garbage for consumers is a good way to increase your market share! As seen with Lagdroid too.
>>54391409
Depends on the business, it's pretty shit for anything creative. Office is the only reason they are still relevant for it.
>>54391409
I don't consider businessmen checking their emails to be "computer professionals".
>>54391422
I would never recommend someone buy an F1 car to drive on a regular basis, just like I would never recommend someone to use a Mac on a regular basis.
>>54391186
This. The throttling is horrible on macbooks, yet they still advertise them as machines for rendering and productivity
>>54391451
What's the point of supporting 15151515 different pieces of shit hardware for professional users?
>>54391453
linux is worse
>>54391451
literally all gpu drivers on os x are better than linux's
>>54391462
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnapaZYD2cU
>>54391453
Windows is fucking shit for anything that isn't related to games or any proprietary Microsoft shit
>>54391451
>shitty proprietary hardware
99.99999% of hardware is proprietary, even RMS runs his shit on proprietary hardware.
Also
>being able to run on ancient SPARCs without an PMMU
This is hardware COMPATIBILITY (and it's not fucking useful).
>being able to run on a laptop for more than 8 hours instead of draining the battery empty in 40 minutes
That is better hardware CAPABILITY
>>54391455
"computer professionals" LOL
We're talking about real people in the real world working as professionals, not just computer nerds.
The business world uses Windows because it "just works", unlike Mac which is incompatible, overpriced and locked down.
>>54391433
"Proprietary-acting" != proprietary
Werks on my machine btw, 8 hours of battery life on my x201 with a shitty 9cell, and fantastic on my desktop regardless. Not gonna buy horrible mac-specific hardware in order to run an a kernel that already has horrible compatibility with most existing software! :^)
>>54391492
>on /g/
>tries to make an argument that "computer nerds" are not professional
>>54391481
It's funny because I put Windows on my MacBook and it runs faster and the battery lasts longer than MacOS.
>>54391492
> Windows because it "just works"
The Indian delusion.
>>54391496
>"I make up words that don't mean anything"
>"I also make up shit about compatibility issues"
Also
>it just works
Has literally been the slogan of macfanboys on this board since forever. Fuck off.
>>54391480
Not really. Of course a mactard will have trouble using windows at first. Using a real OS compared to having used a gay fisher price OS can be pretty scary I guess.
>>54391515
The irony is that Windows is the OS that "just works", not Mac.
>>54391471
He didn't mention linux.
>>54391506
>you should use Linux instead of OS X on your Macbook because Windows has better battery life
This is fucking ridiculous. Do you have any real arguments?
>>54391492
No, actually, we were talking about people doing professional tasks with a computer. Programming, animation, etc. We weren't just talking about anybody who happens to use a computer for their job, which is basically everybody.
>>54391529
Only in your mind. Even most Linux distros are more of "just works" these days.
It's a pretty good OS. Depends what programs you want to use. If you don't want to use Mac software there is always Dell who sells preinstalled ubuntu on some of their machines.
>>54391529
This. Software support and general ease of use will always be better on windows. This is coming from an ex macbook owner.
>>54391515
>Still defending your shitty purchase
Okay tech-illiterate that doesn't know what the word "proprietary" means, you win this round!! I'll go pick myself up a Mac in a few hours and enjoy the wonderful darwin kernel that I'm sure everyone here has installed and built an OS from the ground up on, right?
Say hi to Reddit for me, by the way! :^)
>>54391535
Where are you getting Linux from?
We're talking about how Windows is far superior to Mac.
>>54391529
>Windows
>Just works
Pajeet, please
>>54391520
Windows doesn't even comply to POSIX, how can anyone even understand that arbitrary cobbled-together POS made by a thousand indian monkeys?
>>54391520
The windows interface is more "fisher price" than OSX, though
>>54391547
Ubuntu is shit along with every linux distro. If you want to get work done or not have to play tech detective for days with your computer then stick with a windows laptop.
>>54391546
>Even most Linux distros are more of "just works" these days.
That's the funniest thing I've read all day.
>>54391530
>Linux has far and away better hardware compatibility. Macs are locked to their shitty proprietary hardware.
Look at the first fucking word.
what should I get if I just need to do school work and browse the web?
>>54391560
>Where are you getting Linux from?
Follow the chain of posts
>We're talking about how Windows is far superior to Mac.
We were not.
>>54391557
Darwin isn't even the kernel, you fucking mongo. Tell me what your fantastic "proprietary-acting" means then, because if you mean "interacts with proprietary components" then that's what your precious Linux does too when it interacts with your GPU driver.
>>54391562
>unix is the only operating system, anything that isn't unix is impossible to understand
>>54391108
>Have you actually seen any major programming house or film rendering studios use Macs more than at PR conferences?
u dont have any real world experience do u?
>>54391563
Seriously? Look at this baby's first OS.
>>54391570
Nice input buddy. Most grown ups with jobs that require windows have company PCs provided to them. Please go back to your graphics card discussions about how they will improve your elder the scrolls FPS and your cross-strike FPS so you can hit global supreme rank.
mfw /g/ defends windows
>>54391562
Like I said using a real OS can be scary for mactards. You're proof of that. When people are scared of something they come to irrationally hate it.
>>54391563
On windows 8-10 I completely agree but not compared to Windows 7.
>>54391587
Windows was made to be deliberately incompatible with UNIX so that Bill Gates could jew his way onto IBM computers and lock people in to the Windows platform.
>>54391586
You are officially retarded.
>>54391593
It's cute how you pretend to not know the names of those games.
>>54391592
Seriously?
Look at this indian babby's OS
Even the fucking font on OSX blows fucking Windows
>>54391579
A cheap Windows laptop.
>>54391601
>real OS
>can't even set a breakpoint in the kernel and step through it
>>54391598
kys. Loonix and os x are both shit operating systems and you know it. Granted only Windows 7 is good, anything after that is shit.
>>54391616
>font
OK you just went full autismo.
>>54391625
>muh baby duck syndrome
>>54391046
/thread
>>54391606
Uh huh. There are only two operating systems that have ever existed, Unix and Windows.
>>54391629
>people who point out flaws are autistic
>>54391625
>windows 7
It's the worst windows OS: a worse version of vista; and windows 8 is a better version of 7. 2000 > 8 > Vista > XP > 7/10
>>54391638
>Windows is better than OS X because other operating systems exist
>>54391643
>people who focus on things that don't matter are autistic
I understand that autism is very common with "computer professionals". Sorry about your disability.
>>54391656
>only arbitrary things i care about matter and if you disagree you're autistic
>>54391629
>You're a low-standard babby if you like OSX's aesthetics!
>You're a high standard autist if you like OSX's aesthetics!
Which one, faggot?
>>54391645
kek
>>54391614
go back to /v/ little boy.
>>54391652
>Windows is incomprehensible because it doesn't comply with unix standards
talk about baby duck syndrome
Friendly reminder:
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2998315/apple-mac/every-mac-we-buy-is-making-and-saving-ibm-money-ibm.html
http://bgr.com/2013/11/28/mac-chromebook-google-employees/
>>54391667
You're a feminine baby boy if you like OS X aesthetics.
OS X is literally designed for gays and women.
>>54391679
That's not what I wrote though, nice strawman argument there buddy.
What I really wrote was: Windows is incomprehensible because it's deliberately made incompatible with anything else so it would lock you in.
>>54391574
Your quote isn't from the post you replied to
>>54391684
this. Only people I know that own macbooks are girls and fags at my university.
>>54391693
Windows is literally the most compatible OS on Earth. It works with more software and more hardware than anything else.
>>54391703
>I only know girls and fags
>>54391693
>anything else
meaning unix.
What you're saying is, Windows is incomprehensible because it isn't unix.
>>54391696
He mentioned it later on, so my point persists. >>54391625
>>54391714
>meaning unix.
No, meaning everything else.
>What you're saying is, Windows is incomprehensible because it isn't unix.
No, that's your words.
>>54391709
>only works on x86 = compatible with more hardware than anything else
Also, note how software that works for Linux also works on Macs, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, SunOS etc, while software that works on Windows only works on Windows and require completely different versions to run on anything else.
>>54391717
He never supported os x either. You okay mang?
>>54391709
>Windows is literally the most compatible OS on Earth. It works with more software and more hardware than anything else.
i-i-is this what /g/ has become?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_litigation
>>54391013
Might as well get an iPad.
>>54391754
But it's true. What does red tape have to do with it?
>>54391046
>what is buying refurb
>>54391776
>what is being a hardware cuck
>>54391046
Isn't a Macbook Pro around the same price as the equivalent spec'd Windows laptop?
>>54391768
It's not true. See >>54391740
>>54391776
If you're going to buy refurb, just buy a refurb PC and save a ton of money while getting a faster and better machine.
>>54391796
It is.
>>54391799
It is absolutely true. You are incredibly stupid.
>>54391819
>It's true because I say so and you're stupid!
You must be 18+ to post here.
>>54391796
Not even close.
>>54391709
This has to be bate. Surely no one is this fucking stupid.
>>54391796
Not really XPS ultraportables are always cheaper. Also Windows laptops in general too. You can find an A10 APU laptop with better performance than a macbook with a 1080p screen for like ~$500.
>>54391835
>comparing XPS ultraportables with Macbook Pro
You must be thinking of the Air, not the Pro.
>>54391828
>The truth is "bate"
Didn't know you could get this delusional.
>>54391858
You keep claiming it is true, yet you fail to explain how an OS that only runs on x86 is "the most compatible OS there is"
>>54391331
Except the ISS switched to debian u fumb fuck
>>54391874
It is true you dumb shit.
>>54391874
It's not rocket science.
Windows has 90% market share, therefore the vast majority of software and hardware is made to be compatible with Windows.
Windows "just works"
>>54391652
>4chan not even once
>>54391889
>every computer in the world is x86
>>54391908
The ones that matter yeah. This is why chromebooks have very little market share.
>>54391046
>tfw I got a MacBook Air for my trip through Europe because it was on sale and the windows equivalents were being sold for 50-100 dollars more
I still feel conflicted but it does what it needs to do (social media, video editing, being light and packable as fuck) pretty damn well. Feels solidly built as well surprisingly
Would have gotten a chromebook but I've heard they're not much more than Internet access machines
>>54391331
and yet the most recent device in this picture is running iOS
>>54391931
>only desktop computers matter
You realise that fewer and fewer people use these anymore, right?
>>54391243
BSD is nothing but bloat and botnet
B:otnet
S:ucking
D:icks
>>54391949
I was talking about laptops you dumbass
>>54391960
No, you were talking about hardware compatibility you dumb shit.
Saying that Windows is the most hardware compatible OS because it runs on a specific type of computer architecture is just fucking stupid.
>>54391974
You are such a moron you don't even know who you're replying to.
>>54391858
Ur insane. Linux is supported on more hardware than windows dozens of times overe. Thats a fact
>>54391988
Apparently he was just talking about x86-based laptops.
>>54391740
>Also, note how software that works for Linux also works on Macs, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, SunOS etc, while software that works on Windows only works on Windows and require completely different versions to run on anything else.
because those are all unix-like systems.
so you're saying that the problem with windows is that it's not unix
>>54391974
>No, you were talking about hardware compatibility you dumb shit.
Which matters on laptops which I was implying when I mentioned chromebooks.
>Saying that Windows is the most hardware compatible OS because it runs on a specific type of computer architecture is just fucking stupid.
I never said that.
>>54391974
Nigga do you even know who you're replying to? Do us all a favor and kill yourself you massive retard.
>>54391997
>because those are all unix-like systems.
That's only a half-true. What's also true is that these OSes have compatibility layers to translate binaries.
They also use non-UNIX open standards and protocols and don't "extend" them with proprietary shit.
>so you're saying that the problem with windows is that it's not unix
That's one of many problems, yes.
>>54391013
>For someone who isn't interested in computer games and tinkering with operating systems
That's me. I used Windows machines for my first 15 years of owning computers, never touched a Mac. I bought a 2015 rMBP and have enjoyed everything about it inside and out, as well as OS X 1000x more than any Windows based laptop I've ever owned. I haven't run into one task in the ~8 months that I've owned it that made me wish I was back on Windows.
>>54392026
>>54391985
>>54392002
>samefagging this hard
>>54392037
Have you told your parents yet?
>>54391051
>Computer science
Linux
Only if you're poor as fuck and you're also a freetard.
>>54392045
Literally 3 different people. God you are stupid.
>>54392002
>Which matters on laptops which I was implying when I mentioned chromebooks.
In what world does not being able to run on ARM or PowerPC or non-x86 Intel processors translate to "being most hardware compliant"
>mfw when HFS is case-sensitive for shell tab completion but case-insensitive when copying data to a directory
epic, just epic
>>54392071
In the real world, where people use x86 processors on nearly every consumer computer.
>>54392036
Yeah, and see, I don't really want to live in a world where the only operating system that exists is unix.
>>54392082
>my shell sucks therefore the file system sucks
HFS is case-insensitive, bash is not.
>>54392085
this
>>54392093
UNIX isn't an operating system (it hasn't been in 40 years), UNIX is an operating system standard.
>>54392085
Okay, so your argument isn't really "Windows is the most hardware compatible", it's "Windows is just like all the other OSes therefore it's the best"
Windows is good
linux is free
mac is piece of shit
Mac is so expensive and doesn't have enough compatibility
Apple just give money to shitty famous peoples(mostly pop stars) and says "use this shit"
They are use it and idiot fans buy it
That's all
>>54392099
A case insenstive filesystem *does* suck though?
Why did they think that was a good idea?
(Literally my only complaint though. OS X is leagues beyond GNU/shit)
>>54392062
Yeah, and the fact that the posts are exactly posted with an in-thread cooldown-timer interval between them is just a coincidence, right?
>>54392118
>"this"-ing your own post
>>>/b/
>>54391013
People on /g/ are so stupid..
They don't get the reason that Apple stuff runs so flawless.. Behind the curtain is a lot of programming needed.
And no, there's no reason to not buy apple. Of course there are other good solutions, but Apples has a good quality, and if you have enough money at hand, why not..
BTW I use Win, Linux and Mac at the same time for different reasons..
Win is good for all purpose and because M$ Office but is not amazing for anything special. Linux is great because you can control pretty much everything and get a lot of knowledge, but for high level applications it just sucks, especially because drivers and "free software" which is often not as good as the bad, bad proprietary software. I support open source as an idea, but reality is you won't find anything near some proprietary products. Try to edit pictures, movies or music - just because SOMEONE (with lots of money and special service teams) can do it, doesn't mean it's doable for single developpers or that it's necessarily a good idea.
Mac is good for "out of the box" working, programming (yes, I prefer to use VIM without my eyes bleeding from a 256 colorscheme) and it really does everything for you.
Windows is like a slut from the disco: yeah why not.. But don't expect too much.
Linux is like the long term relationship where you spend most of the time fixing problems, even though you are in love.. somewhere.
Mac is like a fuck buddy: take it, use it, just have a good time. Easy come easy go. Maybe you won't get a "deep relationship" as with Linux because you'll never have this "through thick and thin" feeling. But if you just want to have a good time and get things done, Mac is your friend.
>>54392134
Sergio?
>>54392138
They don't think it is a good idea, but they keep it because of legacy reasons.
>>54392124
>UNIX isn't an operating system (it hasn't been in 40 years), UNIX is an operating system standard.
Yeah, and I don't want to live in a world where every single operating system complies to the exact same standards, runs all the exact same software, works in the exact same way, because that's boring, and encourages stagnation.
>>54391046
You can buy a MacBook pro 13 2015 on eBay for $900. If you want a laptop that's better than a mac you have to pay more for it
I'm sorry, I've never even owned an apple product but I'm waiting for the 2016 macs to come out so the 2015 ones drop in price even more
>>54391109
>games
>linux
>>54392124
Windows is literally the most hardware compatible OS.
>>54392124
>Okay, so your argument isn't really "Windows is the most hardware compatible", it's "Windows is just like all the other OSes therefore it's the best"
Nope. Windows is the most hardware compatible because 99% of laptops out there have x86 processors. Windows is not like other OSes, it's literally THE best OS for personal use.
Why is this board triggered so hard by anything apple? Not even windows causes this much butthurt.
>>54391085
How much does a replacement battery cost?
>>54392163
>encourages stagnation
But Microsoft lock-in tactics does not do this??????
What the fuck kind of bizarro world is this, where complying to open standards is considered bad and trying to box consumers in is considered good?
Have Indians infiltrated /g/ after all?
>>54392139
>my autistic paranoia is off the charts
Seek help.
>>54392173
>>54392172
>only runs on one type of hardware
>"it is the most hardware compatible"
Are you guys fucking stupid or what?
>>54391835
>apu laptop with better performance than a MacBook
Jesus fucking christ, grow up.
>>54392180
Because half the time there are paid shills talking here. Both mac and windows 10 shills.
>>54392189
I'm not saying that Microsoft is good.
I'm saying that if I have to choose between a world in which there are two operating system standards, and a world in which there is one operating system standard, I will choose the former.
>>54391835
The Xps 13 is actually $200 more than equivalent Macbook pro (at least in aus)
>>54392200
>processors are the only type of hardware
You really are the stupid one here.
>>54392200
For something to be "hardware compatible" it must run on a majority of hardware out there. The majority of hardware out there is x86 cpu based computers. In addition to this windows can be run on a VM on cpu architectures like ARM albeit at very slow speeds.
>>54392211
But there are not two operating system standards. UNIX is one, Windows is non-standard clusterfuck. There are also a bunch of standards for RTOSes.
It's a good thing that the UNIX-like OSes try to follow POSIX, because it means INTEROPERABILITY.
It means that you get different styles of UNIX, each who do their own thing (and do it very good) rather than having some enormous bloatware (read: Linux) that works okay-ish but tries to do everything and ends up with doing none of them very well.
>>54392237
>Windows is non-standard clusterfuck
With 90% market share, Windows is literally THE standard.
UNIX and variants are the clusterfuck.
>>54392226
>only windows is able to use PCI express
>>54392230
>>54392230
>For something to be "hardware compatible" it must run on a majority of hardware out there.
Yes, and by this logic Windows is vastly inferior to Linux because Linux not only runs on 99% of all the computers, but also the remaining 1%.
>The majority of hardware out there is x86 cpu based computers. In addition to this windows can be run on a VM on cpu architectures like ARM albeit at very slow speeds.
Being able to be run in a virtual machine does not make it hardware compatible you fucking dolt.
>>54392237
>It's a good thing that the UNIX-like OSes try to follow POSIX, because it means INTEROPERABILITY.
It also means homogeny.
>It means that you get different styles of UNIX
And what if I don't want a style of unix?
>>54392270
>And what if I don't want a style of unix?
Then you make something else, but you SUPPORT THE FUCKING STANDARDS THAT EXIST INSTEAD OF DOING YOUR OWN SHIT so that your OS is compatible with other ones.
>>54392268
>only windows is able to use PCI express
only windows has driver support for a broad range of peripheral hardware
>>54392270
>homogeny is bad
Fuck off you politically-correct nigger-loving degenerate faggot.
>>54392287
thats not even true
>>54392287
>driver support
I have hardware that only has Mac drivers. Where is your god now?
>>54392268
>Linux not only runs on 99% of all the computers, but also the remaining 1%.
Bullshit, have you ever even used Linux?
The hardware incompatibilities are ridiculous, there are so many issues with even mainstream things like wireless cards that it's practically a full time job just to maintain.
>>54392250
Thats not how it works family
>>54392280
If you support the standard, then nobody has any reason to use your operating system over the preexisting options. That's what happened to OS/2.
Maybe you're content with adhearing to the standards of a 40 year old operating system till the end of time, but I'm not.
>>54392307
Linux user here: ur full of shit.
>>54392297
It is which is why nobody wants to use loonix. Have a qualcom wifi adapter present on many laptops? top fucking kek mate, linux can't help.
>>54392307
It works on more laptops than Windows.
>>54392318
>If you support the standard, then nobody has any reason to use your operating system over the preexisting options. That's what happened to OS/2.
If this was even remotely true, then Linux would be the only UNIX-like out there.
>Maybe you're content with adhearing to the standards of a 40 year old operating system till the end of time, but I'm not.
Lennart Poettering, is that you?
>>54392325
lol
>>54392325
Not even close
>>54392339
>If this was even remotely true, then Linux would be the only UNIX-like out there.
It very nearly is.
>Lennart Poettering, is that you?
Thanks for proving my point. The linux community response to systemd is the clearest example that the unix philosophy is inherently hostile to innovation.
>windows is good because broadcom drivers
This board is shit
>>54392405
>It very nearly is.
That's not even remotely true.
>>54392405
>systemd = innovation
Okay, now I know you are trolling.
>>54391371
kek
>>54391520
I'm trying really hard to install hackintosh because windows is absolute shit when it comes to video editing and audio latency.
I'm not a musician fag who tries to make a living out of music or videos but it's good to know that you can have a software that is robust (without bugs like Windows) and doesnt advertise win 10 every fucking day
>>54392502
Yeah it is. OSX and BSD only survive on account of forces external to their own value. OSX/iOS is supported by a major company with a prestigious history, a dedicated fanbase, and a hardware based strategy. BSD survives because of its permissive license and resultant corporate support. Everything else is so niche as to be irrelevant.
>>54392512
>systemd is bad because everybody says so
>>54392590
Stop using sony vegas you tard, everyone uses adobe premier. Also stop using windows 10, it's shit. Instead upgrade to Wondows 7.
>>54391013
Price probably. It's somewhat of a luxury computer. If it's in your budget I'd say theres no reason haha
>>54391013
There is no reason to not use a mac. When you like to work with os x, then switch your OS
It's all a matter of personal preference.
I own a Mac Mini and used OS X for a while. But I like Windows better so I installed Windows on it.
I had a GNU/Linux notebook in use for about 5 years. 1 week ago I installed windows on it as well because I like OneDrive integration on Windows.
Just now:
>cleaning out my files
>see emacs in /usr/share taking up 30MB
>wtf I don't want that piece of shit on my computer
>sudo rm -rf
>Operation not permitted
once again: epic
>>54391013
It costs too much and it's harder to use with less software than Ubuntu.
>>54392809
>OneDrive
wew lad, r u srs m8? onedrive is basically botnet filesystem.
>>54393051
I don't care
All files I need to hide are encrypted through cryptomator anyway
>>54391598
It's all newfags now. Get out while you still can.
>>54391013
There is no need for people like you to use a computer at all.
>>54391051
>>54391108
autistic edgelord
>>54392050
This. OSX has proven to be much more convenient as a comp. engineer major than plebs dual booting windows and linux flavors while I run OSX, Kali, and Windows in parallel.
Aside from gaming and being poor, there is no reason to not buy a MBP.
>>54392184
The only ones ive seen are around $90. It doesnt leave my desk anyways so i dont really see the need for a new one. I do need a new charger and maybe a new dc board though.
>>54393278
seconded
>>54393278
>kali
lol
>>54391453
OS X is the superior OS, Windows is shit, there's nothing good about it.
>>54391013
So, you're like my mother. I buy her Apple stuff.
>>54391520
>gay fisher price OS
When ChromeOS exists?
Why would you?
I love mine
>macbook pro since 2012
>GB's of fem pene videos
>no problems....ever
chargers suck though (always break and cost $80)
>inb4 faggot
>>54391013
If you're not going to use Windows is there any reason to use anything that isn't Linux?
>>54397218
>opensores on the desktop
>>54397259
>MFW it works perfectly on that
>>54391013
For someone who isn't interested in computer games and tinkering with operating systems, is there any reason not to fuck off back to facebook/macrumors?
>>54391013
Guaranteed replies.
Here is your (you)
>>54397640
so /g/ is really just /v/ and /diy/?
that's starting to make sense.
>>54391013
People will assume you're gay
>>54391186
>0.8GHz
Kek, I'll remember that thread for a long time
>>54391013
And why would you buy a PC/Mac if you don't uses any of this shit?
Just use a fucking smartphone.
>>54391013
They don't care about OSX or any of the pro applications anymore. I got a brand new Haswell MacMini for my mom and it's slower than the OSX 10.6 Core2Duo with GMA 950 GPU MacMini it replaced. I firmly believe this is a key reason why their stock is in the toilet right now. Everything non iOS has been put on the back burner right now.
>>54393858
Do a lot of pen testing as a side hobby.
