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Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", lightweight
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Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap.
>Excellent keyboards - tactile feel and quiet.
>Great durability: chassis uses a magnesium rollcage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels.
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing in the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
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http://ktgee.net/tpg
New guides by xsauc:
http://www.dankpads.com
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ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
https://www.lenovoservicetraining.com/
ThinkPad wallpaper collection:
https://imgur.com/a/NlepZ
first for chromebooks
second for babbys first T420 in the mail
third for babbys first x220 in the mail
new toaster coming in the mail tomorrow
My X220 arrived today and im haveing problems with it.
The Laptop just wont shut off. After 10 seconds of looking like it did it will turn on by itself.
What can be causing this?
>>54380141
Got mine about a month ago anon. 8gb RAM version?
>>54380231
could be a stuck power button, could be set to restart on power loss in the BIOS, could be a problem with the embedded controller firmware. I would start by flashing the latest BIOS, and once that's done go in there and load the default settings.
>>54380231
BIOS has a setting that automatically turns the computer on if it's plugged into AC. See if that's checked.
Two other very unlikely scenerios are it could be a stuck power button or it could be receiving hibernate power-on signals?
>>54380246
i got the 4gb version, the price was good compared to the other listings i found. I may elect to upgrade components later if i feel it needs it. Quite excited to finally have a Thinkpad though tbqh
Is the X260 a good choice for college?
>>54380322
Are you putting Linux on it or keeping win 7? I had to buy the facotry recovery disks from lenovo
>>54380043
C-can I be a business laptop too anon?
>>54380361
I'm not totally sure yet, I'd like to keep Win 7 but if I feel like it I might run a linux distro, I've run ubuntu and some of it's variants on my desktops and on my EEEpc before now, it really just depends how I feel about it once I start using the machine
The Bluetooth module (BCM2045B) on my X220 isn't working, although it shows up via lsusb. I would be appreciative of any ideas.
>>54380390
>Working Titanium that isn't beat to hell
How can this be?
>>54380464
$40 on ebay, the bottom panel is a bit loose around the battery and the area near the power port gets hot as hell, but besides that its just scratches. Debating on getting OS9 disks because i dont think that i can just copy it off my tower.
What's your cycle count at?cat/sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/cycle_count
21
>>54380508
>bottom panel is a bit loose
Really not bad for it's age, it's hard finding an aluminum MBP that isn't completely destroyed for a decent price.
>>54380565
Yeah, I've wanted this laptop for 5 years but im a cheapskate. Now to get a clamshell iBook for under $80.
>>54380545
84,
69% capacity of my poor 6 cell
>>54380346
You can get an X230 for much cheaper, and better performance too.
For college? You can get away with something a lot cheaper than an x260. If you don't care about having a 1080p screen on a 12' display, get either an x220/230, if you do care get an x240 and swap the trackpad with the x250 trackpad. The hardware from something as late as an x220 would probably be more than enough. The x250/260 are still carry a premium price for being new.
Just but a lenovo t530, I got the i5 version... Can I upgrade the CPU to the i7 manually? If so, do you know where I can find a guide?
>>54380545
197 though most of those are pretty shallow cycles. Unplugging it for 10 minutes counts just as much as letting the battery run down completely by that metric.
>>54380047
I did the same with a T60, so I hear you. /tpg/ just seems to be filled with destitute jews that are incredibly worried about resale value for some reason.
I'd be a little leery of swapping a whole T4X panel in. Hold off for somebody who knows for sure one way or the other. I swapped a backlight over from a dead T41 screen to a T60 screen once, but that's it.
The good news is the T60/p SXGA+ screen is pretty nice for a TN. It's worth the upgrade and perfect for the 14.1" 4:3 form factor.
>>54380304
>>54380277
I just found out that the problem only happens when the AC is unplugged.
If the PC is running on battery it wont stay off and keeps turning back on.
>>54380742
>Guide to swap a cpu
>>54380545
>/sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/cycle_count
cat: /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/cycle_count: No such file or directory
Is this the correct Mhz my ram should be?
>>54380621
The fuck? I have over ~230 cycles and 80% capacity left
>>54381015
It's running at 1333mhz 667*2, it's fine.
>>54380980
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Tp_smapi
>>54381072
Okay good. thanks for input
>>54380742
Yes, and go find it urself
>>54380742
I'll do it for you 20 dollars
>>54381061
How old is your battery?
First use date of mine is four years ago, and I received it a year ago with that capacity. So I'm not responsible to whatever horrible things were done to it.
>>54380742
>Can't swap the easiest to swap part of a computer
Top joj
>>54380390
Wew, this was humorous, at least to me.
>muh thinkpad is thick meme
>>54381206
the hard drive is easier
Almost picked up a T420 on eBay for $70, then some autist came in and bid $102 in the last 3 seconds.
I have an X220 Tablet.
The ThinkWIki mentions a "ThinkPad Bluetooth Daughter Card with Enhanced Data Rate (BDC-2.1)" but I don't see anything obviously relating to Bluetooth in the device manager.
Any ideas how to find if I have Bluetooth or not?
>>54381228
what model is the black one?
>>54381374
if you don't see any unknown devices in your device manager, you most likely don't have bluetooth.
>>54380545
1154 cycles.
last_full_capacity/design_capacity = 33250/57720*100 = 57.61%
I got my X220T second-hand.
>>54381375
T420
>>54381392
I have pic related, but I can't imagine that's it.
Any recommendations on a BT card?
>>54381237
not as easy as your mom
>>54381469
Ah, forgot picture
>>54380545
>bought 9 cell a month ago
>already -5% on capacity
third party batteries a SHIT
>>54381534
I bought a shitty $15 chinese battery on ebay for my x61t that was shit, but I also bought a $20 Japanese battery on ebay that is practically as good as a real one.
>>54381228
fellow titanium book owner here, significantly thinner than my dell precision m4600.
>>54381556
Post some cool applications fampai, i have stuff on my g4 tower but its a pain to get off.
SO the plastic seperator on USB broke on my X220. I can still plug in USB drives, but they're very loose. Can I just glue that shit back on?
>>54381598
i haven't spent much time on it because i'm not familiar with osx. so far i have doom on it lol.
>>54381598
>>54381623
here's some specs. imported an airport card from america to eastern europe for this puppy.
>>54381749
purple shit and the smudge on the left are from my phone's camera, not the screen
>>54381776
the smudge on the right, fuck me
>>54381556
and here it is next to my 2003 thinkpad r32. 1997 thinkpad coming up
>>54381989
Have a HMM for when you need it.
http://tim.id.au/laptops/apple/powerbook/pbg4.pdf
Every time I hear my T42's fan kick in, it's like someone slamming on the gas in a Ferrari. Is that normal?
>>54382020
thanks sempai. have a 1997 ThinkPad 380ED
>>54382081
Pretty nice row the titanium part of it, as little as it did, at least prevented the CD slot from getting bent downward like the powerbok aluminum and MBP.
>>54381228 here, just took off the bottom to beat it into shape with a screwdriver handle. No dust at all on the heatsink or quarter sized fan (shits tiny). I guess this was a desk queen like my t420 was.
>>54381079
not available for **30 series and newer.
(Say thanks to Lelnovo for changing the way things are done.)
So how are the new chinkpads? I'm looking at a yoga 14 to replace my old x220.
>>54382111
this is now a powerbook g4 thread
>>54382305
Wait for the Retro ThinkPad
>>54382390
Maybe i should start a PPC mac thread.
>>54382416
Is it going to be 4:3
>>54369977
I'm on uni as we speak with it, it's great mon.
>>54382463
>Pimp cup
Kek.
>>54382465
Last I heard 16:10
>>54382416
Is it going to have an active digitizer?
>>54382465
No. It will be 3:2
>>54380757
197 here too.
last_full_capacity/design_capacity = 34690/57720 = 60%
second hand x220
im in italy. where can i buy an used thinkpad? when i search on ebay they all come from the us and seller wont ship to europe
>>54382623
search on local ebay/craigslist equivalents dumbass
>>54382623
It's a bitch to ship to Italy customs there has insane requirements. Like the company I work for has tried to pick up a distributor there but customs makes it such a bitch that it's not worth it for us.
>>54382500
I thought they couldn't get 16:10 screens?
>>54382600
Almost as good.
>>54382497
Dont diss my poor impulse control at 3am anon.
>>54382416
Has there been ANY news on that? It's almost been a year.
>>54382600
I really hope so, that would be outstanding.
>>54382658
That's correct, it's either on hiatus, canked, or gonna have a 16:9 screen. Doubt they would go 4:3. We haven't heard anything about it for a while.
>>54382735
>gonna have a 16:9 screen
If they do this, they may as well not even make it.
>>54382934
This. T410 and earlier for life.
Which is the best thinkpad tablet? The 230t seems to have a different keyboard compared to the 220t and earlier models
>>54383231
x220t best bang for buck and better keyboard than newer versions imo
>>54383257
How exactly am I supposed to find one in like new condition? All the ones i see on ebay looked used to fuck, what the fuck are these people doing with their laptops?
Where can I find one that wasn't owned by a retard who throws his laptop around
>>54383231
I'm liking my X220T. I will warn that Linux has terrible touch support and unless an application explicitly uses the touchscreen, it just acts like a mouse. You might want Win10 if you actually want to use your touchscreen as a tablet. If you want to draw, that works pretty well
>>54383290
Where did you buy it from, ebay? Can you post some pics?
>>54383285
Might not be too popular on here, but the thinkpad yoga s1 is a solid option.
>>54383285
Just keep browsing ebay. Alternatively go with a refurbished model from newegg, you'll pay a premium but no guarantee of a very clean model. You'd be hard set on buying a new 5 year old laptop.
>>54383391
>thinkpad yoga s1
I would rather have a cool twisty laptop though
I just bought a x220i with a broken screen for $40 AUD from a local classified ad which apart from the screen is completely immaculate, not even a scratch on the rubberized finish. Decided to spend a little more and get a $98 AUD IPS display instead of a shit TN.
Pretty pumped for when my display arrives, going to be quite a good little setup, really love the 12.5'' size.
>>54383416
Too bad about the hardware though, but if it meets your workload congrats.
Yeah, eBay. It was $182 but you might be able to get cheaper. I wouldn't pay too much more. Here's some photos I just took with my phone.
>>54383546
Meant to reply to
>>54383308
2/4
>>54383546
>>54383568
Your laptop is a cute, very nice.
>>54383308
3/4
It's very thick and kind of heavy.
>>54383308
Last one, here's some scribbles in Krita
Any eGPU owners in the house?
Specifically anyone who knows about the PE4C 3.0 adapter?
Mine randomly goes to shit. So randomly that I can't even say why it does it, and I've only found a handful of comments online across all the forums I could find describing my issue, with no one talking about how to fix it.
On Windows 7 I randomly get "nvidia display driver has stopped working and recovered," or just a black screen with the audio buzzing loudly/looping similar to how "hl2.exe has stopped responding" sounds like, or just a straight up bluescreen. The bluescreen only talks about generic stuff like check drivers and try safe mode.
On Windows 10 it worked a couple of times but now just says not enough resources, and constantly black screens and recovers with the "nvidia display adapter has stopped working" message
Sometimes my X220 can work just fine for five or more hours before the egpu thing dies, other times it's as short as 5 minutes.
The fastest crash I got out of it was when I was stress testing it (in hopes of figuring out why it crashes) with a few hard to run games, which had the temps up to 90 degrees C and the egpu stopped working a few minutes later.
But I've also managed to play hours on end on other games before any crash.
Any help would be appreciated, been playing on and off with this thing for around a month now and I'm even considering buying a different egpu adapter to see if another would work.
>>54383444
I just wanted something super portable to have as a dedicated linux rig that will contrast my i7 t520 which sits on my desk all day thanks to running an eGPU.
>>54383636
Could the connector be coming loose? Thats all I can think of.
I've had great success with the EXP GDC beast. Only ever bluescreen was when I unplugged the display by accident.
>>54382623
use freight forwarders
and keep a bag with enough money, for the taxes
higurashi or umineko first
>>54383884
fuck wrong thread
>>54383907
it's okay
>>54381173
First use date back in 2011, I think I received the battery with ~30 cycles I didn't remember to check
>>54383907
dont beat yourself up over it senpai
/g/ approved? apart from the keyboard ofc.
>>54384153
A chinkpad's a chinkpad, if it fits your needs, get it, they're still durable as as shit.
>>54384153
Keyboard isn't as bad as most say, the keys are actually pretty nice for being chiclets, but the layout is worse. Do yourself a favor though and get the 1080p display. There's no excuse for paying that much and getting a 720p resolution. Also not sure if your using it, but don't forget to grab the discount code in the OP.
why t420s is best
>weighs the same as a x220 with a 9 cell
>14" is perfect, comfy. Coming from 15.6 -> 12.5
>1600x900 > 1366x768 always
>alienware TN panel swap and 1080p IPS swap compatible
>hot swap bay for extra HDD/SSD or battery, msata so pricey and it only runs at m.2 speeds, save yourself a couple bucks going this way
I guess this would apply to the t420 non (s) but I don't like chubby.
>weaker battery life
Bigger screen bigger power drain
>muh TN screen
wow u need IPS on a 5 year old laptop for ur pro graphic design? Just use an external monitor like you would with the cutie 12.5"
eGPU and Alienware panel swap t420s user. AMA
>>54384219
I'm not actually going to pull the trigger yet. Gonna wait until kernel 4.6 is out.
>>54384284
I'll double check, but I'm pretty sure I checked the 1080p.
code's there.
>$700
>>54384153
Definitely not. More like /r/thinkpad
>I absolutely need to spend 1K on a laptop for that latest and greatest (tm) intel skymeme for my facebooking and college text editing
>>54384338
>
I'm just getting tired of my 2 1/2 hour battery life and warm lap from 720p video.
>>54384311
what's the battery life like with/without ultrabay battery?
>>54384373
I don't have this problem but I'd probably prefer that over using some plastic bootleg that is just a shadow of a real ThinkPad
>>54384385
I'd say 3 hours with excessive use (web browsing, virtualization, word processing) but can be pushed to 4 hours most likely. I have new genuine batteries and haven't had much time to test them out fully. We'll see when school time comes around.
With ultrabay expect 5-6 hours
>>54384405
My X220t is pretty damn plastic. It's not like the build quality has dropped dramatically over the past five years or anything.
I want a tablet for note taking and drawing and shit but the X* thinkpads have pretty poor specs. What do?
>>54380647
Money isn't an issue. Mostly concerned with battery life and portability.
Anyone have a eGPU setup? I wanna get into one so badly!
>>54384561
lel I have an x230 and it's CPU is very powerful compared to the U series CPUs out today.
>>54384569
what do you need to know?
>>54384569
Advanced Dock is easymode as fuck.
>>54384608
If you have one, what connector do you use and what input does it use to connect to the laptop?
>>54384619
PE4L 2.1b, goes into the express card port.
>>54384617
GPU? What games do you play at what FPS?
So I installed a new heatsink in my laptop and thats what I got when i restart my pc. What happened and what can I do?
>>54384781
I wouldn't know, but that sure looks like a locked BIOS. pray that it isn't.
>>54384799
What should I do if its locked?
>>54384781
Looks like you locked your BIOS.
Are you sure the only thing you did was replace the heatsink?
>>54380043
Fedora 23 isn't working properly on my T520; at certain points of time when a text box is active I won't be able to click outside or select anything else. Only when I put it to sleep and wake it then I can click outside the text box
Is this a problem with fedora or is my T520 wonky?
>>54384830
get it to someone who has the tools and experience to unlock it. You'll probably have to ship it off.
>>54384781
How the fuck can a heatsink do that.
>>54384781
>locked bios
Good luck
>>54384848
It's the OS, go to something more nooby like Mint or Ubuntu. Loving my Mint w/ x230
>>54384583
Have you switched out the keyboard? That's a major thing holding me back from getting a tablet over a T or W series
>>54385063
The keyboard is still amazing. Feels just like a desktop's. I actually can get into 'work' mode, and it is very natural. Especially compared to the shit nowadays with keys 1mm thick lol
>>54384657
I'm rolling an R7 240 in mine. Seems to be the best card for the dock right now, but I expect that to change once we see what 14nm brings to lower-end cards.
Regarding games, I don't play a whole lot of super-demanding stuff. DMC4 runs beautifully, which isn't a huge surprise considering how well-optimized that game is. Legend of Grimrock runs well, but I haven't tried the sequel yet. Source games run flawlessly. Dark Souls runs...around console level? It isn't pretty. Anyway, the main benefit is that it solves one of the T601F's only flaws, which is GPU selection. You either get an Intel board with no performance or a disguised Nvidia nuclear reactor. With this, I can keep cool temperatures while also enjoying far better performance than even a T61p board could've offered.
>>54384840
>>54384866
Well I needed to dissasemble my TP. But I don't know I just took the heatsink out, clean the cpu and add some thermal paste. and I asssembled the whole thing back.
>>54384853
Like seriously? fuck.
>>54385190
Damn, I wanted to know about modern games like Battlefield 3/4. But thanks for setting me on the right path!
>>54385217
You're going to want to know if the dock supports enough power throughput and additional inputs required for larger cards. From the look of that pic, it doesn't seem like it would be.
>>54385236
So a 750 ti will be too much?
>>54385265
I wouldn't know, that's the problem. not the guy with the dock.
>>54385217
I think most AAA console ports are a bit too CPU-demanding to run on an old laptop Core 2 Duo. You'd get better results on a newer Thinkpad with an Expresscard setup using any GPU you want. The setup for that is just less elegant, since the GPU just kind of hangs out in the open with wires going all over the place and you need to provide your own PSU. The Advanced Dock might not perform as well, but all I have to do is drop my T601F in the dock and I'm ready to play vidya, then when I'm done I hit the eject button and take the laptop out.
>>54385282
I'll just save up enough GBP for mummy to buy me one.
>>54382081
Nice brick. I miss my '97 600E, it was a trooper.
Now I just have an E430 I hardly ever, ever use because the mobile i5/HD4000 has a lot less fucking horsepower than it should. I've built more impressive machines off damn Kentsfield chips and salvaged parts.
>>54384153
Get the pro version of Windows. You won't be able to disable auto update unless you do.
People having home versions of Win7 is what caused their computers to automagically install Win 10.
>>54385335
ohhh. so that's why my pirated copy hasn't done anything.
I would just wipe it anyway and dualboot.
Is there an upgrade guide for people with brand new T420s who want to pimp them out? Looking through the sticky and old threads I found some old information like the Alienware M14X screen and SSDs but all the information is in different places. I'm debating on upgrading the processor but don't know if it's worth it.
>>54384311
Thinking about getting the T420s but I want a 1080p screen. What screen would I swap it with? Or should I be fine with the 1600x900?
>>54385315
The Advanced Dock only works with Thinkpads up to the T400 generation, so if you buy it and you have a T420 or whatever you'll have spent ~$100 on a paperweight. However, if you have an eligible Thinkpad, the GPU restrictions are 50W max TDP and a very tight space limitation. I couldn't even go up one step to an R7 250 because they're too big, even though its TDP is low enough to work. The card can't be longer than maybe an inch past the end of the PCI-E connector, and the cooler has to be short and flush.
>>54385357
>CPU
Not worth.
>Alienware Screen
Worth
>SSD
Worth. Get either Samsung, Crucial, or ADATA
>Memory
Unless you know you need more, 8 GB is the magic zone.
>Ultrabay
Nobody uses DVD anymore, replace it with either a battery or secondary drive bay. If you need DVD, just get a USB reader/burner.
Do IPS 1080p screens exist for x220? Found one on craigslist for $150.
>>54385473
I think it can be modded
>>54385211
?
Could I just buy a new mobo since its cheap? then
>>54385211
Not familiar with X100e, but other models of that era will throw spurious security errors on bad or disconnected CMOS battery, or if you managed to slag a ram stick with static. ie, something in the post/boot process goes into the weeds hard and the error is spurious.
>>54385568
>>54385568
so what shall I do then?
>>54385585
If you don't have spare parts to try, yer probably fucked no matter.
>>54385587
[reseat/swap ram, check the battery didn't get disconnected]
>>54385587
If i get another mobo, will it do the trick?
So im planing on buying my first one, but i have two questions:
Is the 1440x900 screen decent?
How can you live without usb 3?
>>54385641
>How can you live without usb 3?
Do you even have anything that uses it yet that isn't a mass storage device? How much are you transferring on a daily basis over USB? Perhaps invest in eSATA.
>>54385604
could I be hat some cable aren't fully locked in their socket?
>>54385718
On other models, no, that wouldn't do it... motherboard should post with nothing attached to it but power and ram.
How much would you guys pay in the UK for a new old stock (sealed box) T60?
Also how usable will one of these be for basic computing (web-browsing, 720p video, etc)?
>>54386086
Can't comment on pricing in the UK, but here in the US I ordered one on eBay for ~$65.
Great for browsing the web, can handle 720p but you can't really push it past that. You'll want to make sure you put a liunx distro of your choosing on it though.
>>54386086
yonah was great in its day but its 32 bit and way old, you're gonna need a 6 meg cache penryn to be really usable. I'd suggest getting the T60 and building a T601F.
>>54386144
That price was used too, my bad.
>>54386144
A brand new one for $65? Where from?
>>54385585
Have you tried pressing F1?
Is it worth getting the dedicated nvidia card for a t420, or integrated one is sufficent?
>>54386718
Depends on usage. Gayming no, general usage yeah. I'm running dual 1680*1050 off the igpu. If i needed more i would just get an eGPU.
>>54386742
Only light gaming (rimworld, hs, maybe ksp) and also there is a possibility that I'll do some graphical programming at uni
>>54380390
No joke I got one from work and I was surprised it still booted, I need to do some QC checking about the common issues it gets. Hopefully I could get it for free (I work at a recycler),
>>54380742
You can drop in just about any quadcore i7 ivy bridge I think... dunno if your AC adapter would handle the XM units.
>>54382081
>380ED
Fucking thick as fuck, but damn, my first 'retro' thinkpad other than the A22m
>>54386086
Tough... probably $200... but even then thats a lot, most likely the battery will need to be replaced anyways.
Now if it was a forsure IPS display, thats a different story, who'd know who would pay for a UXGA IPS T60p brand new in box... $400?
But its all for collecting IMO.
i bought a t40 for $10 bucks but when i plug it the screen goes black after a while i suppose is the motherboard and in the thrift store i saw an another t40 but with bios problems
should i bother with this machine?
or should i buy another Thinkpad?
this is off topic but can the t420blazeit with the intel HD graphics run overwatch?
>>54387172
Run it?
Yes.
Smoothly?
Not at all.
>>54387172
idk but it does run VNs pretty smoothly
>>54387172
That Tracer is a qt, whatever the fuck game that is.
>>54387185
>>54387192
aw, that's too bad. I really wanted to play the game but guess it's time to get a different computer for it. appreciate the assistance anons
>>54387172
>posts tracer
I honestly want the game because of the 'controversy' she started
>cant wait for anime expo
>>54387243
Go build yourself a cheap pc for games. You won't get any value out of a laptop (for gaming)
>>54387047
You could plug it into an external monitor and see if it blinks off after a while like the built-in screen does. If it doesn't, there's a good chance it's not the mobo.
I'd buy the other for =<$10 if the screen works just to see if I could rob Peter to pay Paul. The problem with the one you've got now may just be the screen inverter board. That's the more likely issue.
why is the t series so expensive?
>>54387670
>Guys on /tpg/ are literally clamoring to buy T420s and sandy bridge lappiesin general over 5 years after it's creation.
>why is the t series so expensive?
>>54380647
>You can get an X230 for much cheaper, and better performance too.
>better performance
How is that?
>>54383231
You can now swap the 230/430's keyboard with the 220/420's keyboard using a firmware flash
why doesn't the ethernet port on my thinkpad work? it's w500 or something
just installed fresh W7. the light won't even come on when i plug something in it
wireless works fine but i need wired
i'm like 99% it used to work on this machine. i haven't used it in months, started using it again now and wanted to do a fresh install and now it doesn't work.
i even tried installing some specific lenovo LAN drivers
what's going on guys
>>54384608
Can the eGPU output to the laptop's own display or will it only work with an external monitor?
>>54387723
Try 3DPN for the ethernet drivers.
>>54385417
>>Alienware Screen
>Worth
I'm curious, how does it compare with the X1 Carbon screen? That's what I've seen as a recommended swap
>>54385641
There are USB3 expresscards.
They aren't the full USB3 speed, but they are still much faster than USB2
>>54387717
Wasn't there still some issues with particular keys?
>>54387830
Only a couple of the Fns, but they're all functions that can be used otherwise
(Fn+F3, Fn+F12 and Fn+Space are the only ones that don't work)
>>54387670
Because its their flagship laptop.
>>54387693
Since the X240 it has been redesigned as an ultrabook and has taken a considerable loss in performance.
Even if the processor is 'better' the heatsink isn't as robust as older machine, though you will obtain more battery life and efficiency.
>https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp%5B%5D=2608&cmp%5B%5D=2607&cmp%5B%5D=2609
>https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp%5B%5D=890&cmp%5B%5D=818&cmp%5B%5D=817
There's two i7's for the X260 and one for the X230... the top end X230 can beat processor performance than the 2nd best i7 on the X260, and this is three generations later.
Since haslel, Intel hasn't churned much for the tick/tock method of the past.
Also I think the X260 has single channel memory, instead of dual channel
It's all speculative, I don't know real world performance of X260's graphics processing compared to the X230's...
HOWEVER, the T440p could not game as I expected it to while the T430 gamed a lot better... using an inferior CPU.
>>54387865
>tfw cant access backlit keyboard
Oh wait, it wouldnt matter.
Not bad.
I just received an offer for my x230 with i7 and IPS - $650
Of course I agreed.
Which cheap thinkpad I should get instead? x220? x201?
Which one is better?
>>54387967
X220, gotta be, yes it's 16:9, but old sandy B will run cool and treat you right.
>>54387967
Why downgrade?
>>54387940
x230 has shitty gpu, desu baka. The i7 unit also easily overheats if you attempt to play gaymes on it.
>>54387984
I hate unused resources. I simply don't how to properly utilize so much resources (16GB, really. All I do is shitpost on /g/ and watch movies). Also I'm moving outta my parents house so I need as much money as I can get.
Plus I'll get a new laptop from my new company.
>>54387998
Could have just sold the RAM if that's the issue desu
The x201 is too old and has an ass screen
The x220 is hardly any weaker in comparison to th3 x230
>>54387985
I think the heatsink sucks, which to me would translate that the latter series would be worse performing
>X230 has a shitty GPU
>T430 I used had the same HD4000 GPU
>It performed better than the T440p with its better processor and better HD4400 GPU
I would think the i7 takes too much power
Also if i were going to game on the machine and it couldnt handle it, I would put some fans undernath it.
>>54388060
I'd have to sell both sticks and get 2x4GB instead.
Also by resources I mean CPU, Intel Pro SSD, dock with 500GB HDD (which I don't use anyway).
>>54388067
T430 has a better cooling system. i7 x230 variant throttles as a bitch, especially on 65W power supply.
>>54388080
>going back to non SSD
You will regret this.
>by resources I mean CPU
The CPU is hardly a difference.
>>54388102
No desu, I'll get x220 with 64GB/80GB mSATA SSD.
Cost is the difference. I can get x220 with 320GB HDD, i5 and 4GB RAM for $100. I'll sell the HDD and get the cheapest mSATA SSD I can get.
>>54387865
Hmm, might make the switch on my T530 if I end up liking it (I have an X220t coming in the mail). Would I just need to run some script and have a keyboard from a T520/T420 or is there more parts required?
>>54385399
interested in this
>>54385417
battery in the dvd slot?
>>54388355
Yes, you can get an secondary battery for it.
its been available since the ThinkPad 600
Its nifty as shit! Just as great as having a secondary HDD!
>>54388467
that's fucking rad
why have I never heard of this before
>>54388641
Reminder: you can't do it in the models non-suffixed with 's'.
t420 with warranty for $180 a good price?
>>54388827
Yes, very good deal.
Is the OLED thinkpad out yet?
I dont get these threads, how many times can you post the same thinkpads over and over again
>>54388936
How can normies smoke the same marijuana over and over again?
>>54388942
i dont know, i dont smoke
>>54388945
Just saying, if somethings good, well enjoy it over and over.
>>54388930
>OLED
You're a fucking faggot
The yoga is OLED
Stick to smartphones, though, pleb
>>54389010
n-no bully, j-james
Is there a how-to for checking for shit when buying a ThinkPad in person?
>>54389478
test the spill-proof keyboard
make sure the gps is activated
locked bios so people can't mess with it
stick a paperclip in the usb ports to make sure they're not jammed
put your finger in your mouth and then in the ethernet plug to make sure it's not dirty
>>54389510
make sure there is no cum in the keyboard
>>54389478
>>54389510
Or a checklist, whatever you call it. Commonly unnoticed fuck-ups like BIOS lock and computrace and all that. Or is that all?
>>54389510
Are you retarded, desu senpai?
>>54387967
>>54387982
I downgraded from X230 to X201 recently. Couldn't be happier. X201 has far better build quality, keyboard, screen ratio and I really like the latches. So far I'm not bothered by the minimal drop in performance/battery life (Got a 9 cell to make up for it anyway).
>>54380043
is this normal after a bios upgrade?
>>54387243
You still can, just get an egpu for your T420. That's what I did with my T430.
It runs heavily modded Skyrim and the division really well.
>>54387728
It only works with an external monitor.
HDMI and DVD out only.
>>54390105
I'm really happy with my x230. While the keyboard is far from my model m it is still a very good one for a notebook. Love the 10+ hours of battery life and the keyboard backlight.
>>54390154
Different Anon. Got a guide or something to show what you did?
>>54387985
Use an external gpu if you really want to game on a x230. Does the i7 produce so much more heat than the i5? My x230 (top i5) stays cool.
>Mfw i bough a X6 Tablet ultrabase
>Gonna switch to my X61t after years of using T400w/Libreboot
So the question is when i flash my X61t with Middleton BIOS i heard that it will enable dual-ida over-clocking. But all the users on the thinkpad forums uses windows specific clocking tools to utilize this feature. Is there any way i can make use of this in Linux. or should i just install windows 7?. Also i saw Chinese guys selling kits to change CFL screens into LED ones, is it worth it?
>>54390126
It's normal when it hasn't been done properly.
>>54390228
I bought the adapter from gearbest, used a spare 500W power supply and a spare 390 and my television. Plugged it all in and started up the laptop. It displayed on the monitor but with the wrong resolution. I installed AMDs drivers and it ran fine afterward.
It is NOT hotswappable though. If you unplug the expresscard line while the computer is running, the machine instantly crashes.
>>54390180
Technically wrong but if you use the egpu combined with the integrated gpu to fire the notebook display you get less fps than using the egpu alone on a external display connected on the egpu.
>>54390342
This sounds quite interesting. How much did you spend on it?
>>54382623
Most Euro-sellers should ship to italy.
I got mine from nbwn.de, and I am pretty sure they ship to italy. At least they did ship to my Austrian mountain hideout, directly before the italian border.
>>54387940
>Because its their flagship laptop.
Isnt the X1 to be considered the flagship nowadays?
>>54388936
here is something new then. I'm probably one of the few folks with a somewhat current thinkpad on here.
>it was expensive
>it's shitty, compared to the old thinkpads
>but it has insane battery life and is fast
>and its less shit, than everything else on the market
5/10
>>54390611
thefuck did happen to my image?
>>54390451
I got mine (PE4C V3.0) for 65$ from hwtools.net
>>54390611
>>54390669
Time to update your KDE, dude
>>54390670
>>54390611
I would love to get an x260 but the for the spec i want it would probably cost me around 2.2k. One day i guess, for now i will just suffer with the x230.
>>54390611
I have a T460p, and I'm not the only poster with one.
>>54390705
Even the most expensive X260 configuration doesn't cost that much.
>>54390670
Why PE4C you cryptofaggot.
PE4L v2.1b is currently the best option for any expresscard laptop on the market.
>>54390670
>>54390693
What a fucking monster. I love it.
