How can social democracy and electronic anonymity possibly work together?
Like, how are the authorities supposed to know who to tax if they're forbidden from knowing anyone's accounts or transactions?
Snow Crash
>>54375286
You've presented a false dilemma where the choice is between the govt. knowing everything or knowing nothing.
>>54375396
I presented Stallman's view that a government should know nothing about its citizens and that it should provide an extensive welfare state.
>>54375407
That is a wholly unrealistic view based on ridiculous ideology that would never work in the real world.
>>54375286
what i think stallman has proposed is a utopia, we can never achieve it, but he hopes we can get close to the end-game, and at least enjoy some of the benefits
>>54375407
>thinks communism is a welfare state
Communism isn't welfare capitalism you dolt. No such thing as 'welfare' in communism.
>>54375286
A true Social Democrat would willingly inform the government how much they earned and happily pay up to ensure the continued functioning of the state that allowed them to prosper in the first place.
>>54375468
Agreed. While I don't agree with Stallman's view of how the world should be, I do think open computing is something worth working toward, for the good of all.
>>54375468
Marxism says that socialism and then communism is a historical imperative. In the Marxist view capitalism was useful in bringing us to this stage of development. However, to advance further a revolution will happen which will result in socialosm. Some argue that there needs to be an intermediary stage of dictatorship of the proletariat, but I don't think so. Socialism will then evolve into full communism.
What you're seeing right now and what you're living in right now is late-stage capitalism.
>>54375477
dumb tripfag
>>54375540
>distribution according to quotas
Yeah, in Stalinist version of Marxism-Leninism.
Read up about anarcho-communism and the writing of Kropotkin/Bakunin.
>>54375540
>Visit Havana
>They're selling t-shirts with Che Guevara on them in an open market where sellers negotiate the price
>Am the only one of my friends that thinks this is hysterical
>>54375573
You mean that thing that's NEVER been tested in the real world? Yeah, go right on ahead believing an entirely unproven philosophy.
Say what you want about how it is in a book, but in the real world, where it matters, communism in every tested form is a human AND an economic failure. It just can't work in the current state of the world.
>>54375286
IRS can find all sorts of things even when encryption is abound, no need to worry about that one.
>>54375626
dumb tripfag
>>>/reddit/
>>54375573
By anarcho-communism, do you mean people can opt out of the system if they want?
>>54375286
Stallman and his followers are delusional.
Don't take his ideas seriously. End of story.
>>54375704
>>54375728
Yes. If you don't want to participate in the anarcho-communism society you can go off and live on your own. You could also get like minded people and go create a capitalist utopia, where everyone works really hard. No one forces you to participate in an ancom community. But if you choose to live among ancoms, then you have to live like an ancom.
The idea is that after experiencing an ancom/libcom society you wouldn't want to go to capitalism.
>>54375941
Actually it doesn't even work on paper. Marx himself admitted that an authoritarian regime would be necessary during the transition to """true""" communism. Anybody with more than 20 years experience existing on this planet would recognize that such a 'transitional' period would be anything but transitional given the fallible nature of humans in power. Marx brushes over this, trusting in the inherently good nature of man, perhaps unwisely.
>>54376018
That's why the proletariat/people have to remain armed. When the state has a monopoly on violence these things happen. But it's much harder to fuck over an armed population that can keep those in power in check.
"Any attempt to disarm the proletariat must be frustrated, by force if necessary." -Marx
>>54375984
Communism relies on grand scale collusion where everyone with an excess of productivity agrees not to take advantage of it, and give it away for free. Collusion rarely works past 3 people.
A central authority organizing supply is economically inviable because a centralized system cannot reasonably predict demand for every product and service, and will inevitably create overproduction and starvation. This is like trying to exert executive function to control a human walking rather than letting the diffuse nervous system do it. QWOP is a lot harder than it looks.
>>54375984
What would you do if people decide they want goods outside of what the regular system provides and the capitalists outnumber you?
They can try to change the laws and make everything look like the modern world, even if you make a constitution somewhat against it.
>>54376440
>and the capitalists outnumber you
Anon asked about an ancom society. The assumption here is that capitalists are the minority, if the society is ancom.
