>over 60% of /g/ posters don't program
Why?
>>54372930
>time consuming
>boring
>pointless
no reason to code if there are curryniggers that will do it for 10 cents an hour
I do, I just got sick of the people in the field. Everyone's so goddamn uppity.
because they're retarded.
>>54372957
why even read am i right? lol
>>54372957
Code me a loo and ill code poo in it
>>54372930
>program
>coding artist
>wasting time on bullshit instead of having fun shitposting
hahahhahahahahaha
>>54372930
Blame /v/.
>>54372930
Why would I want to program, when I can bring in mad dough with DBM.
>>54372930
I can't do it
I'm basically retarded when it comes to anything vaguely mathematical
>>54372957
This gets me down sometimes...
It doesn't stop me from programming as a hobby though.
>>54372930
Because the old /g/ left a long time ago. All that is left are gaymers and a few oldfags.
>>54373080
I'm the same and I also program. You don't need any math skills if you don't plan to do stuff like game engines.
>>54373089
Are you American? I recently graduated w/ a cs degree and found a well paying job pretty easily. Out of my engineering friends, I only knew cs majors who were getting multiple job offers before graduating.
w/o a degree though it's tough to get started
because im not indian
>>54373126
can you please tell me what you had on your resume? Like what side projects you did, im a 3rd year cs students. Im trying to build my resume, pls help me out
>>54372930
I'm not gonna do something that Pajeets do for free.
I've never programmed mainly because I've never learned or had the time to.
I'm planning on learning some Python this summer though as my first language.
Is that a good one to start with?
>>54373126
Yeah, I'm American. I have seen to many of my peers get majors in CS and are Jobless/ working in entry level jobs.
>>54372930
Because I don't need to do so. Because I don't have anything I want to write.
I know that may sound odd to you, but not everyone WANTS to learn to code.
Why be a "jack" of all trades and not even be a very good one when you can specialise in something you will actually do well and/or profit from and do whatever else?
Sure, coding can be a hobby and I've got nothing against those who do; but not everybody NEEDS to.
Hell, that is WHY there's such an issue in the first place; everyone thinking they have to learn code and get a job in it, providing all these shitty coded programmes just because rather than having a smaller, more skilled workforce, companies go for the less skilled but more of them because they can't afford to try negotiate their pay rates.
>>54373166
If you don't plan on doing particular tasks, python is fine and it's also fun.
>>54373166
No. Start with C.
>>54373215
I asked a friend majoring in cs and he recommended starting with Python then moving to c
My passion is information systems security, but I hate programming. Sucks that you pretty much much have to join the military to get in that field
I have a basis on a few different languages but I mainly only use Python and Shell. I love C/C++ though.
>>54372930
I just come here to lurk and read up on on stuff.
>>54372930
Because technology is not only programming? Since when is this a programming board?
>>54373222
I can understand that is because Python is easier, but it has atrocious syntax, is one of the slowest platforms, will teach you bad practises and will not translate well to learning something better later on, because it's """pythonic""". Your friend is suggesting you learn Python, and then forget it and learn a better language.
I program only when I need my computer to do something for which no software already exists, which is very rarely.
>>54373146
I started with some small android apps and a part time web dev job with my school's library. This helped me get a summer internship at a decent company after my 3rd year, so it wasn't too hard getting interviews for full time jobs during my 4th year.
In general make sure you apply to a fuck ton of companies. Lots of companies pay relocation and housing for summer internships, so just send your resume out everywhere.
Also helps a ton to ask people (who are already working at a company) for referrals.
>>54373169
Yeah the employment rate out of graduation is definitely not close to 100%, but it is much better than other degrees in my experience.
scrubs
scrubs everywhere
>>54372930
I have staff to do that
>>54373317
just realized it's may and probably too late to apply for internships. still, summer is a good time to work on side projects
>>54372930
>programming
>not making more money configuring routers/firewalls/switches
>>54373288
what you don't like about its syntex?
also https://jakevdp.github.io/blog/2014/05/09/why-python-is-slow/
>>54373395
I think indentation scoping is cancer and the language is trying far too much to be read like pseudocode, making it hard on the eyes.
>>54372987
>having fun shitposting
Jesus Christ that's depressing
>>54372930
I'm too stupid for math and codding sadly
Honest question: How many of you know what a linked list is without Googling?
Follow-up question: Could you write a correct implementation of one without using the internet (for looking shit up)?
I code dragon dildos, now suck my dick and let the shit posting continue and let this board sink into nothingness.
>>54372976
*Gives gold*
>>54373484
its a list of nodes that hold hands
>>54372930
Because the world only needs so many code monkeys. Some people like hardware or network or security more, like myself.
All the code in the world doesn't mean shit if you have no working machine and network to run it on.
>>54373146
Work in a lot of foreign countries by doing payed interns.
insta job immediately, cause you must be good you worked in 3 different countries.
They really think this.
>>54372930
because working in help desk is too comfy to code
>>54373539
how do i get cs internships in different countries? Is there some special website for that? Please tell me anything u know about it
>>54373559
Germany is a good target.
And don't feel intimidated if everything is in German and you didn't master German, just apply for a Ausbildung(training) which are payed cause its illegal not to pay interns in Germany.
I applied for a e-commerce consultancy designing business applications in Munich was fucking great there in that city.
And just once you are there just try to learn some German, almost most of them know basic English.
>>54373611
that sounds good, but what site did you use?
>>54373670
I just searched all companies in city X for [Insert IT job here] in google for country Y , and searched on their own website of that company that interests me.
And put in an application in English.
Explaining my motivation to want to come to their city country and the business,
After some 10 applications i got an internship.
>>54373748
how is the living situation and getting around? Its kind of scary to go into some country you know nothing about. Do they help you find a place to live/travel etc??
Because i'm a sysadmin
if it can't be done in a relatively simple script, odds are i don't need to do it.
>>54372930
I do it as work, but not on my free time.
Shitposting is more fun tho.
>>54372930
most of /fit/ doesn't lift lel
>>54373773
Its not easy at first it, but you get payed enough for a small room or a temporary cheap hotel if necessary, and party at the side.
Its a skill you will and need to develop surviving in a new city and culture.
But it was awesome in the end, at least for me.
But yea once you are there the best affordable apartments/rooms you get through your colleagues/friends or other expats, like always in a big city.
So i advice hang around expat or like couchesurfing parties in city X.
It's pointless. Already over saturated. It'd be better to be a security consultant.
>>54372930
because I'm too busy brpwsing for dank memes on my Microsoft Windows 10© machine
>>54373888
Well the word fit=/=ripped
>>54373950
you've probably never gone to /fit/ its not about being ripped, it's about lifting.
>>54372930
most of /v/ probably doesn't play any videogames apart from lol and csgo
>>54373462
>he comes in the most retarded place on earth to have "serious discussion"
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
>over 60% of /g/ posters don't do surface mount soldering
why?
>>54372930
I am a professional designer, photographer, illustrator, 3f modeller, audio engineer and musician.
You will find me in all the gimp threads.
>>54373166
Use Haskell
I suck at it to be honest
>>54374096
Yeah he recommended either starting with Python or Haskell and then moving up to C.
Why should I use Haskell over Python though?
>>54374069
because 3d takes too much time. i like modeling so much, but sometimes i do code as well
because /g/ is not /prog/.
dumb idiot loser.
Because my code jockeys do it for me
>>54372930
>/g/ is about technology
>coding is only an aspect of a certain kind of technology
>one of the most outsourced jobs
I don't see why you're so autistic
I occasionally write something in bash. Since bash is a programming language I can consider myself a programmer. Right?
>>54374463
bash is a scripting language.
>>54372930
because electrical engineering is superior
>>54374580
So scripting language is not a kind of programming language? If so, why?
Cause I'm 26, don't learn that quick, don't have much time to dedicate in a meaningful way, and the motivation is just not there
I think I've idealised programming like it's some kind of meal ticket to success, and I think this is because the world is shilling it to no end in preparation for the next couple of decades when shit really heats up and we'll need farms of people programming
I suspect with the merging of first & third world countries, they want everyone doing this work
>>54374738
Because you cant make programs you can only make scripts duh!!
Because they only taught me Java at college and I can't fucking stand it
>>54372930
because this is an inane shitposting board now, the people who actually like technology stick to generals or have long since gone elsewhere
>>54374738
You can't make programs with it.
But I agree with you, if you understand scripting you shouldn't have much trouble with coding
Because I've been fucking around with web design lately. Which I don't consider related to coding desu
>Why?
Because I lack the motivation. I get bouts of it, and learn a bit here and there, but it always dissolves, just like my hopes and dreams.
I'm lazy and dont know where to start?
Because I find it boring and have no real use for it beyond some basic knowledge.
I work as a mechanical engineer, so knowing code isn't needed for the work I do. I still am here though because I enjoy tech, build my computers, have ran my own server, ect.
>>54373484
Lol yes, I passed the second semester of cs...
Here's a more fun question:
>Given a list A of unique positive integers find all pythagorean triples in optimal time without using hashing.
Why? There's nothing I'd like to make or modify.
because it's boring af
>>54372930
I don't even know where to start. I want to learn Python and C++.
I'm not intelligent enough. I'm just a simple consumer.
>>54372930
/v/ has invaded /g/ years ago. it also explains the number of wintards on the board
>>54373888
>/fit/
These are the people that tell you your life is shit and theirs isnt.
>>54372930
I have nothing I want to program.
>>54372930
I'm sure its more like 95% of posters don't core.
Wheres your source? Also, don't count in faggots who say they do and actually don't.
It's not for everyone. Stop trying to guilt people into learning a skill they don't need, thus increasing the supply of available programmers unnecessarily, and lowering our job and wage prospects.
>>54375957
>multiple bignigs
>>54372930
Programming is hard. Not programming is easy.
Because i like Chemistry, and after that i like Mechanical Engineering, and after that i like Architecture and Civil Engineering, and after that i like Thermodynamics and Thermotechnics, and long long after that on the line of fields far far away lies programing as an interest.
Any other stupid questions?
>>54373462
I know few ppl how do this all day long
They even have a whats app grp called KKK.
quite depressing desu
>>54376329
dumb tripfag
>>54372930
Over 60% of the userbase are unintelligent people that think they are special.
programming takes patience and intelligence.
Like someone said way up at the top, "why even read?" That is these kids' mentalities these days. You realize, most people, common people, just use the internet for searching for something and wasting all their time on Facebook spying on other peoples' lives?
Facebook takes up most of the internet bandwidth and it's useless. It serves the sheep, it sucks the time.
tl;dr
people are so lazy and stupid today, programming is beyond the scope of these kids. They just want to rot their brains staring at their phone, primarily vicariously living out others' lives through the useless timesuck called Facebook. They have little intelligence, no patience, and no skills.
that's like asking why people don't hack when it's mostly just skiddy level point and execute exploits: they don't need to
>>54376496
I hope you mean that you know how to program but have better things to do. If you're doing chemistry or any kind of engineering and actually don't know how to program you're an engineer of the past, not one of the future.
>>54376722
Replace facebook with 4chan, and vicariously living out other's lives with vicariously living out other people's misery, and you have most of the 4chan users.
>>54372930
It takes a massive amount of time and effort to actually git gud, and even then its pointless because rajeet does it for peanuts or all the interesting projects are already done or require large funding and hundreds of people. As a hobby id rather watch cute anime grills. I do know coding basics of C and java though.
>>54373369
This
>>54373146
do an emulator.
>>54372957
i fucking hate those guys... on top of it they bid low, get the project then post for someone in america to do the job... bastards
>>54373369
CCNAs are a dime a dozen. I haven't seen a well paying network job in a long time
>>54373115
Where did it go
>>54373032
>pascal
>>54377299
I know how to program to the level required by Chem, not the autistic level OP is talking about, or the level cakeboys like you paint all over GitHub walls.
Much in the way a Mechanical Engineer doesn't need the level of algebra like Electrical Engineers study, or Electrical Engineers and Programmers don't need Geometry as much as a Mechanical Engineer needs it.
As far as "Engineers of the past" go, you can talk shit when you have graduated Chemical Engineering. Till then, you have no substance or authority on making such far-fetching ideological statements.
Programing isn't my interest, never has been, never will be. If i learn it, it is out of necessity and only the necessary level of it. My interest is Chemistry primarily. As such, i have answered OP's question.
>>54378406
R3ddit and eight channel's tech boards most likely.
As much as this board likes to meme about it, the quality of discussion is way higher there.
Also excuse the leetspeak, Japanese moot is a faggot and the spam filter apparently auto filters competing sites.
>>54372930
I work in hardware. we have another company in the same office that handles programming. the two companies piggyback off each other and it's been working well for 10 years or so.
>>54372930
Because I'm fucking stupid
>>54372930
I wasn't aware programming is the only aspect of technology
0% of /g/ don't codetheir own operating system
why?
>>54379572
Then there's this type of fag.
>>54372930
i just come here to shitpost and check the deals in /csg/
>>54372930
do Java and JavaScript for loops count g?
>>54379657
also for the dank non-normie memes
>>54372930
Professional gray hat here. Other chans are where you want to be if you want an actual conversation on most technical topics.
>>54379699
>>professional
>>gray hat
choose one
>>54372930
The problem with coding is that I have to learn it first, then I have to have good ideas, and finally I have to have talent to do it properly, not like a dumb fucking shit that I am. I'll go back to /r9k/ now.
>>54380535
more like
>>professional
>>/g/
>>can afford hats
choose one
>>54378945
Why are you so defensive?
>>54380675
>can afford hats
I'll trade you 3 buds for it.
>>54381965
Didn't the price of buds crash recently?
>>54373166
no you should start with HTML/CSS and then try some assembly language, you can do whatever you want with it
>>54381926
You are assuming i am defensive when i don't see a single argument or example of why a Chemical, or even Material engineer, needs to know programing at all.
A useless field that is covered in any and all refineries, labs, or any facilities oriented at chemistry, by the programing department.
At best i am required to know how programing works at a fundamental level for the sake of adaptivity in terms of knowing how to use simulation and database programs that are made by the programing department.
It was a useless debate from the start.
>>54382142
>not writing assembly in HTML
>>54373484
Yes? Absolutley. Im only an IT major but the program requires data structures, and discrete math for implementing data structures in a useful way
>>54375398
dont know how to code but I assume all you would have to do is subtract the number recursively by a square until what you get is also a square
>>54372957
t. Code monkey
I plan on learning C++ over the summer because I'm going to switch to CS the following semester.
I'm on research.
;)
I have to program so much for school that it's sucked all the enjoyment and interest I once had for coding in my free time. What should I do?
>>54372957
>12 months left until I get my B.Sc. in C.S.
> 300k starting
> any designated shitting street I want
You are going to be so envious.
>>54382626
Switch to another major because you obviously aren't doing something you love. Perhaps women's studies?
>>54382632
>>any designated shitting street I want
I've done graphic design for the better half of my life, i was doing it when you were just a sperm in your fathers balls
>>54373369
*pulls out palm pilot*
*codes software that replaces you*
>>54372930
I'm lazy and hate myself.
I'd love to do it, but every time I start I reach a wall and stop. It doesn't help that I haven't been able to self-motivate myself to do anything for as long as I can remember.
Best part about it though is that I go to the best engineering school in the known universe, dropped out of physics to do compsci, and now only program in classes. Math is easier anyway.
>>54382691
>I'm lazy and hate myself.
So what, do you want us to hate you so you don't have to?
Mission accomplished.
>>54372930
There's no reason for me to do so, I don't find it enjoyable, it doesn't solve any problems for me that scripting doesn't already, and I hate code monkeys.
>>54382691
I hate you too!
>>54373166
Yes, start with Python.
>>54372930
The colleges I applied to didn't accept me ;_;
>tfw keep trying and trying to learn but it can never hold my interest
I didn't want to be born this way OP, its not my fault ;-;
>>54385478
Why keep trying if it doesn't interest you? There are other ways to make money
>>54385498
Becausemy bf is a programmer and I want to impress him
It's boring and tedious and difficult and reaps little reward.
>>54372930
becuase its boring af nigga
>>54385529
This is nice post and inconvenient truth for programmeys
>>54382381
Good intuition but in English-ish the solution goes something like:
>sort the list
>using this sorted list make the first (and smallest) number 'a'; the second largest number 'b'; and the last (and largest) number 'c'
>if a^2 + b^2 = c^2 (pythagorean theorem) then a, b, c is a triple
>if a^2 + b^2 > c^2 then make 'b' the next lowest number in the list and try again
>if a^2 + b^2 < c^2 then make 'a' the next highest number in the list and try again
>if a >= b then you've checked every possible 'a' and 'b' pair for that given 'c'; set 'c' to the next smallest value, 'b' the next one smaller than 'c', and 'a' back to the start
>go until you've checked down to 'a' as the smallest value, 'b' as the second smallest, and 'c' as the third smallest
>you have now found all pythagorean triples in the original list
If any of you enterprising anons want to learn more: this is a small twist (added in the pythagorean part) on the 3SUM problem which has a theoretical lower limit of theta(n^2). This is also a Google interview question, so yes, it is relevant to real life you NEET contrarian bastard.
>>54372959
This.
And no one can read anything unless it's a full on instruction set. Pedantic and shallow come to mind but even that's been memed by them. I can imagine them saying to thesmelves "look at this memer, he's going to cry".
It's just a pain dealing with these guys. But what am I saying? I do actually code!
>>54385529
lol someone doesnt know about the 6figures people can get from programming
I'm a pretty bad programmer, and the only language I can stand is C#. I only program every couple years when I have a problem that can't be solved with any available software and is easy enough for me to make.
>80% of /ck/ users don't cook
As with most jobs, most people that are 'into' the field just dont have the time to dwell into the trade but maybe still appreciate it as a hobby
Or, we use /g/ for /spg/ or some other stupid thread
