Why do Noctua fan bois not realize that AIO water cooling is superior now?
Why do you not realize you have down syndrome.
>>54370723
My Noctua wont break in 3 years
>>54371989
you can see the future?
I know this is a bait thread but there are so many retards on /g/ that think liquid cooling can reach lower than ambient temperatures. If your case isn't a fucking shoe box and you have a half decent heatsink and any fan, it won't run as any fucking cooler with liquid.
>>54372425
Load temps with my AIO are 15c lower than a hyper 212+.
>>54374584
Did the air cooler not have thermal paste or something? That is insanely bad.
>>54374584
I could say my Noctua is 15c cooler than an AIO cooler too if i dont specify which cooler im talking about you dipshit.
>>54374584
>bought budget-tier cooler
>expected high-end performance
>>54374694
I never expected high performance from the hyper 212+, i'm simply saying AIO certainly performs better than 90% of air coolers, and the air coolers that DO compare are huge chunks of aluminum and copper like the Noctua NH-D15
My AIO is a Corsair H110i GTX 280mm with push pull Noctua NF-F14 iPPC 2000 fans.
>>54374732
Corsair 110i
How do you deal with that loud shit
>>54374732
>comparing a $20 product to products that cost at least double that
>surprised the more expensive product beats the cheap one
>>54374758
>How do you deal with that loud shit
Did you see the part about the noctua fans? It's ~12dBA quieter than the stock fans at full load.
Also, my ceiling fan in my room is louder than my PC anyway, so it's not an issue.
>>54374761
Again, I fully expected the AIO to beat the hyper 212+, you're really just trying too hard.
Also double? More like quadruple with the extra fans. Of course it performs better.
>>54374786
Then why did you even mention it?
>>54374802
Cause some retard said unless you have a shit case NO liquid cooler would beat an air cooler, and thats just bullshit, unless you have a $70+ air cooler, and even then a good AIO will still out perform even the best air cooler by several degrees.
My point is, AIOs have their place and CAN perform better than any air cooler.
>>54374873
fair enough
D15 master race
>temps as low as the high end AiO coolers
>less noise
>less failure points
>still works passively if a fan does die
Literally the only negative is the size, which is a non issue for me.
>>54374971
D15 is a good air cooler, but I really dislike the aesthetics, big huge chunk of metal + huge cream brown fans.
Not my style.
But less noise is a bit untrue, I am using Noctua fans on my AIO so it should be the same noise level as your NH-D15. The fans are louder than the pump so there is no noise there.
And it's covered under 2 year manufacturer warranty, plus I paid $30 for another 3 years from newegg, so if it breaks any time in the next 5 years i just send it back and get a new one.
D15 is a good air cooler though for anyone who has no side panel or doesn't care as much about how their guts look.
>>54375042
>D15 is a good air cooler, but I really dislike the aesthetics, big huge chunk of metal + huge cream brown fans.
>Not my style.
Ricerfag detected, not enough black and red for you?
>>54375086
Nope, too much 6"x4" block of aluminum taking up 1/4 of my guts.
It's not like the H110i GTX AIO is a flashy cooler, I just want it to be out of the way and since it's an AIO I just tuck the radiator up top and have a couple hoses going to the CPU.
>>54374971
Don't forget that air coolers will also cool your RAM and VRMs.
>>54375133
But how often to you look at or work in your case for it to matter? For most people after building a PC you're stuffing it under the desk never to look at it again for 3~5 years which is considered the norm. Those who still have theirs on the desk (SFF builds usually), it's probably going to be eventually forgotten under all the other crap you have on there.
Noctua fanboys are just people who don't know anything about hardware, and wither googled "best fans" or saw a linus video and were advised by other retards that "noctua is objectively just the best wow so gooood"
>>54371989
KEK this
watercooling bois wont admit pumps shitting out and leaks happen.
i have my OLD noctura single push pull from 2009 still working perfectly in my new pc
under 50 degrees full load i5 4690 3.9ghz
>>54375512
or looked up specs, reviews, warranties, etc.
I find most people who are anti-noctua just like going against the grain, or are Sanyo Denki fanbois or similar.
>>54375549
>or looked up...
Yes, they almost definitely looked it up and immediately collapsed into the infinite noctua shill train made and perpetuated by people saying that they're magically good
there was a post at the top of r/buildapc recently unironically saying that Noctua products are objectively the best of their competitors
those fucks don't handle hardware, that board is pure cringe 90% of the time, and you are being that cringe personified.
They are high end coolers and fans with luxury level prices and ridiculous perpetual popularity, nothing more.
>>54375698
you understand performance specifications are verified true and are better than almost all the competitors?
Unless you're saying they're lying in which case if you can prove it you can sue them as they are in the EU and must abide by EU regulations which that would violate.
Dumb fuck
>>54375857
Performance benchmarks, especially among coolers, are very far from being set in stone. Different coolers overtake one another all the time, depending on who is testing.
I don't think you know what you're saying. You sound as if you're getting a little hysterical now.
In testing competing hardware, Noctua consistently has a competing cooler that performs about like all the rest but is vastly more expensive and very foolish for the average consumer to buy for that reason.
If you filled your case with $22 noctua fans and a $90 noctua heatsink, well...
...I'm very sorry, but you've wasted quite a lot of money.
>>54376033
I am not talking about coolers, I am talking about fan performance, and more specifically the industrial Noctuas that run 2000-3000 RPM, If you'd read the rest of the thread before commenting you'd have seen this.
Noctuas seem to be pretty meme tier considering their price and performance/quietness ratio.
http://us.hardware.info/reviews/5770/5/103-12cm-case-fans-review-test-results-best-temperatures
>>54376407
>quietness
Lets be honest, if you're looking at any of the top performing fans you're going to hear them when they're going at full RPM.
Gee I dunno, maybe because high end air cooling is only rivalled by 240mm units running at ear splitting rpms.
The D15 and D14 at max speed are a lot quieter than the sort of fans most AIO's use.
Side note: the only good AIO is the EK predator as it is essentially custom loop in a box.
>>54377161
Corsair H110i GTX with noctua fans is actually solid performing and quiet.
>>54377200
That I have no doubt, but that is added cost onto what is already an expensive part.
Plus a lot of people using AIOs cannot into airflow and wonder why their shiny new i7 isn't stable much beyond what high end air offers because they don't realise the motherboard vrms are frying.
That is something i've learnt when pushing my 8320e to 4.7ghz (it needs 1.428v for that). I've had to ensure there is plenty of airflow for the motherboard to keep temps sane.
Who needs watercooling or fans when you can have a giant ass 0db heatsink instead?
>>54377246
That's true, I actually went with AIO for aesthetics more than performance, I don't expect super high OC with it, I have my 5820k moderately OC'd to 4.0 Ghz.
That being said, I have 2 140mm intake fans that provide good airflow over the VRMs so i could probably push it up to 4.5Ghz without much problem.
>>54377279
Consider pic related is 95w passive or 300w with a fan.
I'd be interested in getting an AIO, but I'd be worried about leaks and the pump making noise. I aim to make my setup so silent that I can sleep with it running, which means all the cooling has to make less noise than a HDD would.
The reason why I'd want an AIO is because
- I don't like having a 1 kilogramm piece of metal screwed onto the board at 90 degrees and putting continuous pressure on it. That ain't healthy.
- I could use direct die cooling on my delidded cpu.
But if the pumps wear out as quick as a shittier fan, then it is not really worth changing my 212 evo to an AIO watercooler (plus I can only use a 120mm radiator in my computer case).
>>54375698
I've had tons of different fans in my case and so far the only one that is still working and did not get worn out was the single Noctua one I slapped on the gpu. Cheaper fans may produce as high airflow and as low noise (with proper fan control), but their bearings will be worn out in a year or two and they'll start getting noisy as fuck.
I know, I know, it's just a fan, that can be easily replaced. OR I can buy a Noctua which costs 2x as much and lasts 2x as long.
>>54377161
The 3770k has shit thermal grease between the die and the heat spreader. It is not a valid benchmark for any cpu cooler, because a significant amount of the performance is lost on the IHS and never reaches the cpu die.
>>54377420
> because a significant amount of the performance is lost on the IHS and never reaches the cpu die
So only soldered cpus count? That instantly invalidates the overwhelming majority of consumer cpus Intel make. Not that it matters since Intel cheaped out with their TIM again for haslel and (iirc) devil's canyon. I don't know if they solder mainstream skylake or not (I doubt).
>>54377487
No the 3770k however is probably one of the worst Intel CPUs you can use, the newer CPUs have improved IHS.
>>54377487
>That instantly invalidates the overwhelming majority of consumer cpus Intel make.
Not, only the K ones. They use solder on all their CPUs with locked multipliers, as well as the Extreme lines. They only use thermal grease on the K line of cpus, which is, you know, the only affordable overclockable cpus.
>>54377516
Even improved thermal grease won't really help much on those CPUs, unless they are shipping with Liquid Pro out of the box.
the whole "we improved the thermal grease" thing is just marketing. It doesn't matter how much they improve it, it still won't be nowhere near as good as solder or even liquid metal. They know this; they want to gimp the overclockable cpus.
>>54377583
5820k has a Soldered IHS and I paid $330 for it. Not exactly super high end price tag, about the same as the 3770k at launch actually.
>>54374584
You're comparing an aio to an air cooler that's 3x cheaper?
Are you daft?
>>54374732
Do you compare Ferrari's to Miata's when talking about cars?
>>54377662
this faggot said this
>>54372425
>If your case isn't a fucking shoe box and you have a half decent heatsink and any fan, it won't run as any fucking cooler with liquid.
A hyper 212+ would qualify as
>a half decent heatsink and any fan
seeing as my AIO runs significantly cooler at load than my Hyper 212+ he is fucking wrong.
I dont care if you dont like the comparison, that's what I owned and thats what I can personally compare it to.
>>54377632
5820k is on the "extreme edition" platform, lga2011v3. Those are still soldered, because they are retardedly overpriced. the 5820k costs $400 new plus a $200 motherboard.
If you got it for $330 then it is either used or you got a good deal.
Either way compare it to a 6600k + motherboard which is around $240 + $100 depending on the motherboard.
>>54377717
Microcenter has the 5820k at $330 all day everyday.
>>54377751
Actually just checked.
They have a motherboard bundle deal for $460.
ASrock x99 extreme4 2011-v3 + 5820k.
>>54377680
>seeing as my AIO runs significantly cooler at load than my Hyper 212+ he is fucking wrong.
Will your AIO run for decades? The pump will wear itself out eventually. Yeah, so does the fan on the 212 but that's a $10 part. Worse, what if your AIO will start leaking?
>>54377998
AIO leaks are VERY rare, bringing it up just says you are either stupid, or haven't been paying attention to AIOs as they've developed over the past decade.
My AIO has a warranty, if the pump fails I will get a new one for free. If 5 years goes by and THEN it fails after the warranty is up, I will consider it money well spent and buy another.
Like i've mentioned before, I much prefer the aesthetics of an AIO over an air cooler and that alone would be worth the extra cost.
>>54377751
Yeah and they have a 6600k for $200. What is your point?
>>54378042
Point is it isn't that much more expensive to get a CPU with a soldered IHS. and even at full newegg prices, i'd still probably get a 5820k over the 6700k.
Obviously the 6600k is a different lower league entirely.
>>54371989
My H100i is 4yrs old and still works/doesn't leak.
Keeps my i7 4770k from ever going above 50°C running @ 4.7ghz
>>54370723
>water
>electronics
fucking retard
>>54378307
Shhhh, don't break the AIOs will break and leak meme.
>>54378066
They don't tim the -e chips because of insane power those draw oc'd. It just can't handle it, forcing Intel to continue to use solder. 95watt and below, tim is OK. It's not Intel giving you a better product like you act, it's Intel not having a fucking choice but to solder the chips.
>>54378316
you realize if it's non-conductive (pure water, or several other non-conductive liquids you can use) it's pretty safe...right?
>>54378039
>AIO leaks are VERY rare
Rajintek disagree.
>>54378066
>i'd still probably get a 5820k over the 6700k.
Why not wait for Broadwell-E?
>>54377751
Plus tax, and not everyone lives by a micro center. U can still find places online with no tax.
>>54378328
>it's Intel not having a fucking choice but to solder the chips.
and in turn I get a better product...whats the issue?
>>54378344
If I were buying right this second, i probably would. However, I expect launch prices to be a bit above Haswell-e, but microcenter might have solid deals again.
>>54378317
Shhh the pump will fail and leave your computer useless meme
>>54378348
Just because the store doesnt charge you tax doesnt mean you dont OWE that tax.
If your state has a sales tax, you technically owe it to the state, you just aren't reporting it.
>>54378329
fucking retard
I had a Thermaltake Water 2.0 AIO cooler that worked for 3 years (pretty much 24/7) and then the pump broke. I replaced it with my stock cooler.
It kept better overall temps than the stock and was much quieter. I think it was worth the $70 I payed for it.
>>54378338
>Rajintek
at least they let you know its going to be garbage with the curry name.
>>54378354
You and every other faggot with your superior attitude about how you are sooo smart for your soldered chip decision, when in reality it means fuck all for most users. Skylake lowered temps from the hotpocket that was devil's canyon, if you are still triggered by tim. Those People choosing a i7 vs the holy 5820 you keep shilling to? Those same people won't even use the i7's power most of the time, much less a 5820.
>>54378416
Their regular heatsinks are just fine - especially the monster that is the morpheus.
>>54378448
I'm doing encoding mate, I in no way got the 5820K BECAUSE it has a soldered IHS, that's just a bonus.
>>54378370
I bet you payed for your entire anime collection too, right?
>>54378465
>caring about the japanese economy
>not caring about your local economy
senpai
>>54370723
you got some graphs to back that up?
>>54377420
>bearing wear
>not getting magnetics
>>54378584
>buy large 240mm or larger AIO
>put Noctua fans on it
>enjoy quiet fans and good temps with beautiful AIO aesthetics.
>>54378449
Im just imagining the sag
>>54378585
The Noctua bearing is magnetic.
>>54370723
Lower temps are a meme. Fans are adequate for staying within operating window.
Lower than necessary temps will bring you ZERO extra performance. Increased life time is BS you won't use that CPU that long before upgrading.
Congratulations, you spend money on literally nothing.
>>54378679
Have you never hit a thermal limit on an overclock?
>>54378646
Then disregard what I said. I thought they used some kind of oil bearing.
>not using a system that has 50000 overheating shit parts
>not using exclusively passive cooling
>>54378715
Its a self-stabilising oil-pressure bearing with a magnetic stabilizer.
>>54378639
I don't imagine anything - I jave that setup and have taken steps to combat sag. The cooling performance is incrediable though for a heatsink and fan combo.
>>54378348
B&H is dank 2bh
Is there a review site or channel that compares all of the AIO and air coolers together, with fan options? I'm looking to replace my NZXT x61 for something less loud, but cools a 1.375V 4790k equally well.
I have a FX 6300 @4.8GHz and a Corsair H60 and it works fine, cheaper then even most heatsinks.
I'm happy with it, quiet and cool.
The H60 was 65eur, give me a air cooler what fits in a small case and costs the same much and can keep a [email protected] at 56C at full load? (Without fan going over 40% speed.)
>>54378039
You know what's better than very rare? Never. Even if both fans break on your cooler, it's still passively dissipating heat.
>>54379781
The Kraken X61 is one of the best closed loops you can buy, it beats everything from Corsair.
What comes next after the Kraken X61, when talking about closed loops are those with better pumps, like the ones made by EK like the predator.
>>54380355
Congrats man
>Like i've mentioned before, I much prefer the aesthetics of an AIO over an air cooler and that alone would be worth the extra cost.
