Arch vs Gentoo
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What do you choose? And why?
archtoo
Gench
linuxlinux
Slackware
>>54357300
Arch for daily use
Gentoo for fun
Gentoo
>>54357315
>>54357320
>>54357329
>>54357300
Did anyone else notice that Gentoo's logo looks like Pacman with Down Syndrome?
Arch because I like using the computer instead of maintaining it.
U\grarchu/NG
>>54357363
Why not Windows then?
Ubuntu is better
>>54357363
If you dont to maintain your system with arch then you wont have to do it with gentoo either.
>>54357361
>>54357377
Enjoy your canonical botnet.
>>54357300
deb ian
>>54357615
For those who were unable to install Arch
>>54357300
Gentoo
>>54357643
or fresh installation without systemd
https://sourceforge.net/projects/manjaro-openrc/
I use gentoo because use flags and eselect make it superior. I can have conflicting packages and switch between them with eselect, ect. Gentoo is also more professional.
CentOS
>>54357677
Is it even supported? I mean, except for the base system, are there any packages patched for OpenRC?
Arch is a binary distro, so that.
I dont need any cflags placebo.
>>54357377
>Apple touch icon
>???
xubuntu
>>54357699
Don't professionals value their time and money? RedHat with corporate support is the the meaning of professional distro.
>>54357361
fuck, cant unsee
>>54357734
Nice meme
>>54357743
Ah, you're one of *that* "professionals"...
>>54357734
The whole GNU/Linux is community based, darling. Most of the packages you use is maintained by an individual / a group of individuals that do not represent any company
>>54357759
How is arch or gentoo a timesink? Maybe arch, I haven't used it for long time, but not gentoo. Once you get past the initial set up, you don't really need to do anything besides emerge -auDN world every so often and maybe update config files when they change like once every few months Rhel has ancient software in its repos so it is useless for a desktop.
You're just repeating a stupid meme mantra and don't know what you're talking about.
>>54357407
>what is lu/xu/kubuntu
>>54357800
>Arch is time sink
>Gentoo is not
Wew lad shit bait
>>54357705
103 packages
>>54357814
>I know nothing about anything: the post
Let me guess, you think compiling software takes a long time. It isn't 1995 anymore and it isn't like you can't just install updates in the background.
>>54357844
Hey I got an idea.
Let's install krita: Want a race?
>>54357803
> >what is lu/xu/kubuntu
The software made by a company known for collecting your data and selling it to Amazon and probably other third parties. This is not something a sane person would trust.
>>54357844
>install updates in the background.
Go back to windows, only exclusive Linux users allowed ITT
>>54357844
Good luck emerging chromium or firefox.
>>54357643
arch was a pain in the ass to install on my macbook, manjaro however worked just fine
>>54357899
Firefox takes about 15 min to compile. I don't need the latest version the second it is available
>>54357837
Would be actually nice if they could manage to support all of the [core] and [extra] at least.
>>54357844
It's still going to be slower than just downloading the binaries. I'm not saying Gentoo is slow, I just don't understand how Arch is more time consuming.
>>54357938
I didn't say arch was more time consuming, I said it might be.
>>54357938
Because Arch requires more actual manpower to maintain when shit breaks on update. Updating Gentoo takes more CPU time, but less labor.
>>54357800
>How is arch or gentoo a timesink?
Is this a joke?
They require more work than alternatives and offer virtually no benefit. That's the definition of a time sink.
>>54358023
Then don't fucking use it?
>>54358023
Literally just a meme. Gentoo has never broken on me. Ubuntu has. Rolling release might take some maintenance, but it doesn't break every six months when there is a major release unless you reinstall.
>>54357844
Has the codebase for the Linux kernel or Firefox magically shrunk in the last 20 years? News to me
>>54358048
I agree, you shouldn't
>>54357814
I've been running Gentoo on a few machines for the last few months now. Typically sync and update everything once a week at a minimum. I usually just do updates when I'm web browsing . it has no impact on anything. Most packages compile fast but there are a few that take longer.
Initial install takes me around 5 hours to get a WM with a few essential programs. While the initial setup time is high the maintenance/upkeep isn't much different from any other distro.
Avg windows install takes 2 hours to be at a "good" place? OS install, basic settings tweak, download updates, download drivers, download basic "essential" programs.
The time gap really isn't that wide comparatively
>>54357866
[citation needed]
lu/ku/xu =/= ubuntu
>>54358090
>Initial install takes me around 5 hours
>The time gap really isn't that wide comparatively
Dude, you could install Debian/Ubuntu/nearly anything with a normal installer in like 20 minutes.
>>54357300
Windows 10
>>54358151
With Ubuntu you need to reinstall every 6 months. Gentoo, you never need to reinstall
>>54357300
Gentoo
>>54357300
Debian
>>54358241
>what is a dist-upgrade
But let me guess: taking time each week to re-compile at least a dozen packages is better than using a system that behaves consistently and then upgrading to a new, thoroughly-tested version.
Jesus Christ dude
>>54358362
I literally just recompiled every package on my system two days ago for the hell of it and it did it over night. Stop this meme.
>>54358023
Having a repo with tens of thousands of preconfigured compile scripts for pretty much everything useful is no benefit?
>>54357340
This desu, senpai
>>54358384
Congrats, you've described Debian.
I guess you're right – it really is a superset of Gentoo.
>>54358404
>Debian
>shitty package manager that can't have conflicting packages installed simultaneously.
>forced to chose between bleeding edge or years put of date
Nice meme
>>54358428
>conflicting packages installed simultaneously.
Oh boy, what a compelling feature. Brb for 16 hours, installing Gentoo
>>54358362
dist-upgrade is literally useless. Anyone who isn't a complete linux newfriend knows that the only way to reliably clean upgrade non-rolling release distros is wipe and clean install / partition while keeping /home intact.
I'm not that guy btw and I don't even use gentoo. I tried funtoo once and noped straight back to binary based distros.
>>54358090
A fresh Windows install takes me 5 minutes for Windows alone, and about 45 minutes to an hour to have everything set up just the way I like it.
>>54358465
Enjoy reinstalling Java very time you want to switch JVMs.
>>54358472
This. Enjoy reinstalling very six months or using years outdated LTS releases.
>>54358404
Except you don't compile shit on Debian, you install their shitty precompiled software packages with shitty patches to introduce new bugs that nobody can fix.
So for people that use gentoo, what do you even use it for?
Just shitposting or do you actually get work done on it
>>54358625
I work on my work computer, not my home computer. Im a Jr sys admin for a bank, you can't just install whatever you want on your work laptop. Locked down windows 7 with putty installed is all we get.
My desktop at home is running gentoo. I mainly use it to watch tv, email ect
arch
>>54358689
>sys admin
How comfy is the job?
>>54358710
Extremely. I'm Jr so I only do triage and monitoring, with the occasional change. I basically sit on my ass all day and wait for alerts to come in.
>>54358689
well when I said "get work done" I mainly meant in case someone is some sort of a developer or basically does anything other than shitpost and post his screenfetch in desktop threads
>>54358740
My dream job.
which one can you learn more from?
>>54358769
>wanting to learn
Get a load of this nigga.
>>54357300
Ubuntu, because i need my system to work without fail
>>54358768
The downside is I'm contracted which means if there is ever any financial trouble, I'm the first to go.
>>54358838
Would it be difficult to find another job?
I honestly prefer Gentoo's design philosophy, but I use Arch because my main system is a laptop that I bring around with me, and I don't usually have time to compile my packages from scratch. If I care enough about a specific program's compile options, I can just use ABS. Arch does break occasionally, and that's pretty annoying, but it's usually a simple fix.
>>54358090
>Initial install takes me around 5 hours to get a WM with a few essential programs
Wew
It takes me like 5 minuets to install Ubuntu
>>54358428
and it just werks
>>54358854
Probably not unless there's another recession. Might be hard to find a job that is as comfy though. I'm paid $25/hr which is great absolutely speaking since I'm only 24 and don't have a degree, but I know most sysadmins make more.
>>54358625
I use it on my desktop and notebook. Shitposting and gaming mostly. Plenty of playable titles within linux these days and I also stream from a dedicated windows steam server.
Any distro can look like any other distro - that is the beauty of gnu/linux. I use Gentoo because of the package manager, customization, and minimalism. Easily worth a few hours on initial setup time. It isn't like it takes days to compile/install.
>>54357300
Gentoo. It is amazing. I can have multiple conflicting versions of packages, or 64 and 32 bit libraries at once. And it's all fine because the programs that depend on specific architectures or specific versions of programs are compiled from source, so portage just links them with the version it knows it depends on.
See https://devmanual.gentoo.org/general-concepts/slotting/ and https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2015-03-28-true-multilib.html
If you've ever had to deal with dependency issues with packages you'll know why this is awesome.
Also being able to manually include (or exclude) certain features from any package or your kernel is extremely useful. For example, I was able to simply remove the SSL heartbeat extension and recompile my packages when the heartbleed vuln came out.
Did I even mention Portage?
>Portage works without any external repo.
>Portage supports using llvm icc etc to build with.
>Portage supports distcc.
>Portage supports slotting of dependencies.(multiple versions of python ruby gtk etc)
>Portage supports multiple kernels BSD Fedora debian etc.
>Portage can thread package installs and downloads
Meanwhile, with Arch
>overzealous autistic fan boys
>"you'll learn how Linux REALLY works!" When it's literally just configuring a package manager and letting scripts do the rest
>offers nothing that minimal net installs already offered for other distros don't
>muh bleeding edge packages!! when you can just install directly from the upstream source in any distro
>only reason to use it is the aur, which is full of broken and unmaintained packages and isn't monitored at all, most "packages" are just a bash script to download the package and it's install script from GitHub
>aur is far worse than Open Build Service, which actually lets you package binaries and programs for multiple distros
It's not the worst distro, but there's nothing it offers that makes it worth using over any other distros and it has the worst fucking user base.
neither cuz im not a fat, autistic, bottle-pissing virgin.
>>54359143
my only concern is whether it breaks or not since I have very little patience when things all of a sudden don't work as they're supposed to.
A recent example would be my Windows suddenly and for no reason fucking up all the default programs for a lot of filetypes, so I had to go manually set them up again
>>54359182
>Posts gentoo pasta
>Attaches RMS
Wew newfag. Did you even know portage takes 5 minutes to calculate dependencies for KDE and takes 5 days to actually install it?
I guess not, newfag. Don't pretend to know what you really don't
>>54359255
>Did you even know portage takes 5 minutes to calculate dependencies for KDE and takes 5 days to actually install it?
No, because I've never installed KDE
>>54359264
Apparently you never use portage as well
Is Manjaro a meme? I heared it has the best KDE and I want to use KDE for a while.
>>54359255
How many fucking times do you have to install a DE, moron? If a task is a one time thing then it doesn't matter if you have to let it run before you fall asleep.
Also, all of the large programs have binary versions in the repo if you are that obsessed with watching your terminal install things
>>54359255
That's objectively not true. It takes about 15 seconds to calculate and about 15-20 min to install on a decent computer
>>54359278
But I have, and I wrote that pasta.
>>54357300
arch because compiling everything from source that i want to install is unnecessary
>>54359318
Unless you want these features >>54359182
>>54359301
>Never installs a heavy software
>>54358865
I used ubuntu and plenty of other debian derivatives before hopping to gentoo. At some point you may want something more than what Ubuntu provides.
For a professional or hobbyist the idea of a system setup taking a few hours is not that daunting. Especially considering most plan to use a system for years....
>>54359197
Gentoo kind of forces you into learning how to fix things. When you install most packages by hand you will know where their config files live and how to use them.
Gentoo certainly isn't for everyone but it isn't as scary as many people would have you believe. The documentation is very good.
>>54357300
Gentoo
Cause I'm not a nigger archfag
Arch.
I'm pretty sure Gentoo users on /g/ are casual linux users
>>54359334
>doesn't know what a binary is
>watches his terminal install stuff
>has a slow ass computer
Look, if your computer can't handle gentoo feel free to use an inferior OS
>>54359383
Top kek
>Uses gentoo
>Installs pre compiled binaries
Drink bleach
>>54359383
>he uses the word "inferior"
wewlad
I recently switched from Arch to Gentoo, mostly to get rid of systemd. Really liking Gentoo so far.
>>54359294
Just use Arch
>>54359294
Do what >>54359420 says if you like sucking dicks and having your anus loosened
>>54359420
>>54359457
Samefag
>>54359457
I am not familiar with arch or gentoo and even memes about them so you are really making my choice difficult anonbro.
>>54359464
Try harder faggot
>>54359470
Gentoo is so much better though
Arch users just try to flex their 'bleeding edge' software that breaks
>>54359476
>He's no using Arch himself
>>54359470
Use arch or gentoo just don't use memejaro
>>54359495
>>54359476 here
I am >>54359457
>/g/ - Couldn't even figure out my OS
>>54359505
whats up with Manjaro? I've seen many people recomending it as a good start for archnoobs who want to switch later to Arch
>>54359528
Manjaro is a fine start. It's to arch what Ubuntu is to Debian.
>>54359555
Ok, thanks man, nice analogy
>>54358064
dude i'm on a dual core amd64 that clocks @ 2.7 with only 2 gigs of ram I did a LFS in ~11 hours the other day. Gentoo takes me maybe 2 to install (5 with xorg and lxde,) unless your not configuring, optimizing and tuning your packages it doesn't take long to compile anything really (linux takes me 14 minutes.)
If you aren't optimizing and shit why would you even use Gentoo.
>>54358761
I do lots of programming, pretty much all I do. It doesn't matter if i'm Gentoo, Ubuntu, Linux From Scratch, Windows, OS/X, FreeBSD, etc.
Operating system doesn't matter, it's a personal preference retard. If you knew anything you knw this.
i switched to arch from ubuntu and im loving it so far.
granted it takes a little more TLC but it's always up to date and isn't as bloated.
>>54359336
> The documentation is very good.
Still way worse than that of Arch.
>>54357667
So what you're saying is that you were unable to install Arch.
>>54360234
>arch is harder to install than gentoo
Who started this meme?
>>54360073
You're everything wrong with linux users
>>54360785
>Your
fixed
does gentoo have an architect equivalent?
>>54361002
What is architect?
>>54361123
Arch installer for dummies
>>54358333
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>>54361136
Calculate Linux then, maybe.
Gentoo
Don't care for pacman or systemd
I'm using Kubuntu right now because KDE always broke with Arch.
>>54359294
No, Manjaro is not a meme. It's awesome. KDE is supremely comfy. Ignore the archfags. >>54359420
They're butthurt because they all now beta test for manjaro.
>>54360785
ironically, I switched to arch because any time I wanted to learn something about Ubuntu I had to learn about it from the arch wiki
once I discovered architect I installed a full arch system in less than a half hour and haven't had it break ever since. There is literally nothing wrong with arch linux
>>54359182
>64 and 32 bit libraries at once
so does ubuntu
>>54357300
Debian unstable
>>54361002
Calculate Linux or exGENT
>>54358769
bump
>>54362668
After using both Arch and Gentoo I'd say that Gentoo requires more knowledge, given that more things just werk(TM) in Arch than there.
Does anyone actually use Gentoo or Arch in an enterprise setting, or is this just hobbyist weenies bickering about which "elite pro" distro is the best?
>>54362830
AFAIK Gentoo is used in production environments because muh optimizations and muh versatility do indeed sometimes matter.
>>54362952
And Arch?
>>54360073
>arch
>not bloated
Nigger, the arch maintainers are too retarded to separately package headers and GUI frontends from CLI applications.
>>54359182
>nothing it offers that makes it worth using over any other distros
Pacman? The AUR?
>has the worst fucking user base
Like all those users who contribute to the AUR and Wiki? What do you know about the Arch user base apart from the few neckbeards on /g/?
>>54362342
So does every OS since 2005
>>54362001
did they fix their shitty installer?
or was that antergos, I can't remember
>>54362342
Last time I tried this on lubuntu it wiped out my system
>>54362967
Rarely, if ever. Arch is good for tinkering and learning, I'd say.
>>54362967
Maybe by the CEO's cousin Timmie who "knows computers". Anything that arch can do debian or RHEL can do more stable and better.
>>54362989
As an ex-arch user:
>pacman
No real advantages over APT
>the AUR
Good idea, unfortunately flooded with poorly made and outdated packages
>userbase
This one splits into several categories:
1)the 1337 h@x0r: usually a kiddie who got bored of Kali. Thinks typing a dozen commands to install arch will make him more 1337.
2)the Ubuntu user who wants to "learn linux": usually the guys who use riced tiling WMs
3)the micromanagers: neckbeards who have no life outside of their thinkpad and like fixing trivial desktop Linux issues. Usually move up to gentoo after a while.
>>54357615
I love NIN too. ^5 buddy
>>54357361
no, more like shiny luvdisc
anyway, arch because compiling takes years
>tfw pacman is in the default portage tree
>tfw i can compile programs or just install binary if i don't have the time
>tfw can have multiple versions of packages installed
>tfw superior quality of layman instead of pig disgusting aur
>>54357800
arch is piss easy to setup
gentoo requires compiling a lot of shit
also, if you want masked packages, you have to do the autounmaskwrite and dispatch conf every time
not to mention flexibility in gentoo is existant, but requires a lot of time
>>54363146
What do you care about who else uses the OS? Are you not eating sugar because Hitler liked sugar, too?
>>54357722
this, I was buttblasted when I found my browser ran better on arch
switched to it immediately
>>54363330
I care because those are the people who provide most of the software I use in that distro.
Also because I don't want to be exposed to cringeworthy 12 year olds or unhelpful elitists whenever I ask something on the forums.
>>54357300
I chose Arch, but I think about Gentoo every day.
>>54363302
>also, if you want masked packages, you have to do the autounmaskwrite and dispatch conf every time
so just $ emerge -a xxx , then $ etc-update, and $ emerge xxx
i have in bash-rc a 6 line script plus alias
$ install xxx
and it does it all for me
>inb4 crying about script
>>54363364
>those are the people who provide most of the software I use in that distro.
In which way? They surely don't write them, and if they did this wouldn't be a problem with Arch.
>>54363146
>lel meme userbase
Then there's the actual average user, who:
1. Don't like massive release schedules. They would rather deal with issues one at a time, rather than dealing with their entire system going to shit every two years because their entire OS upgraded.
2. Want new packages. Who doesn't?
3. Know the AUR is a CONVENIENCE, and is not a NECESSITY. The AUR is a resource for scripts, offbeat programs, themes, fonts, icons, whatever. If it works, fantastic. If it doesn't, who cares? Move on.
Would it really surprise you to know that some of us might use something because...
we like it?
>>54363428
They package it.
>>54363465
I have yet to come across any bad packages. You can usually immediately see in the comments if something isn't working correctly. What do you care if a fat neckbeard with a rices wm packages your favorite browser on his thinkpad, when it works either way?
>>54363465
Also, that's still better and way more controlled than adding random ppas to your system.
>>54363146
> This one splits into several categories:
> 1)the 1337 h@x0r: usually a kiddie who got bored of Kali. Thinks typing a dozen commands to install arch will make him more 1337.
> 2)the Ubuntu user who wants to "learn linux": usually the guys who use riced tiling WMs
> 3)the micromanagers: neckbeards who have no life outside of their thinkpad and like fixing trivial desktop Linux issues. Usually move up to gentoo after a while.
Fuck, this was too good.
/Type 2 user/
>>54357909
kek
Arch is basically just another downstream Red Hat distro.
>>54363662
Oh, ok.
>>54363662
>>54357775
Liteon
>>54362952
Gentoo is also the base of Chrome OS.
Gentoo,
Portage > Pacman
Better community that consists of real sys admins and other professional devs. The only thing I liked about Arch was the ABS and the wiki.
>>54363622
cuc͏k tb͏h ͏f͏am
>>54363146
>>pacman
>No real advantages over APT
it's easier and faster.
>>the AUR
Good idea, unfortunately flooded with poorly made and outdated packages
still better than manually adding ppas and having to manually manage all of them every time you do a system update
>userbase
I currently use Ubuntu only because switchable laptop graphics is broken on arch; when I get an intel only laptop I'll go straight back to Arch only because it's easier to use IMO
>>54357300
Arch because AUR.
After every Arch update, something happens to my programs and they stop working. I then have to google and search for hours and sometimes days just to fix something that the Arch update changed.
There will be very few people on this planet who actually enjoy, has the time or will want to put up with that kind of crap.
It took me well over a month just to learn how to use it, coming to Linux from scratch. I still can't wrap my head around it. Why do I have to be connected to the internet just to be able to function with this OS at all? Why is it that if I don't update regularly things will break? What If I have a 3 month holiday? I don't want to freaking reinstall the whole thing all over again.
It's also SLOWER than my windows 7. Yes, SLOWER. My Arch install has no GUI at all and Windows 7 does. Explain that? I came to Arch expecting everything to be freaking instant because it needs no GUI or resources. Lies, it's bloody slower. I've tested it. Open a picture or video on my windows machine, or a game. Instant. Open browser? Instant. Arch... waiting for 3 seconds.
I thought I loved technology, after using Arch I'm just not so sure anymore. I've always hated programming and looking at tedious walls of text and problem solving. That's all it really is at the end of the day. I like using a completed a final product to do what I want to do.
I'm not an expert on fonts or what looks good for an interface for the OS. I don't freaking know what colors fonts should be. There's too much crap to think about. Stuff like font I just want an acceptable default...
Freaking hate Arch...
>>54357300
They're both good.
