Is there anyway we can guarantee that Vulkan wins the war against DirectX 12?
>>54353964
stop using windows..
overnight if everyone stopped, the world would be much more power efficient, less viruses, and nicer place.
Dx12 is full of memes
Vulkan is open source
>>54353978
>less viruses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PZYrn9EaoQ
>>54353978
Realistic ideas only please
DX12 will only be supported by AAA video games many of which will also support Vulkan and only on Windows 10.
Everything else will use Vulkan.
For one, Windows 7 already has Vulkan. Source: my start menu now has vkinfo and vkinfo32 after a recent driver upgrade.
>>54353964
>Is there anyway we can guarantee that Vulkan wins the war against DirectX 12?
Stop using Windows 10.
Vulkan works on Windows 7/8/8.1. DirectX 12 doesn't.
If nobody uses Windows 10, then nobody will use DirectX 12.
> nobody will ever support Mantle
There's a reason you can't get Enterprise for free. Every serious software company in the world will end up needing to purchase it because M$ forces DX12 with their mysterious Judeo-Indian cabal powers.
>we
You think /g/ can beat M$?
>>54354425
>You think /g/ can beat M$?
Yes, 4Chan is quite powerful when motivated
>>54353978
Wow, imagine if everyone would start using only free (as in freedom) software. That would be truly awesome. I'm serious.
>>54354300
>only on windows 10
So in the gaming field Directx already won on Xbox and PC? Sony use their own API. What is this "Everything else" you talking about?
>>54354417
amd donated it to become the foundation of vulkan
>>54354300
>>54354406
I'm thinking valve pushing linux and their steamos shit will give it a big boost. Maybe not with the AAA titles (or at least, not right away) but smaller devs and valve themselves should see its use grow hugely in the coming years
>>54353978
>less viruses
'no.'
>>54354493
Its objectively true
>>54354518
You're objectively wrong.
>>54354544
burden of proof is in your court senpai
>>54354481
Pretty sure all consoles can be made Vulkan compatible, they all have compatible AMD architecture after all. Then there's plenty of people who outright refuse to upgrade to Win10, so DX12 isn't a viable alternative to Vulkan to them
>>54354550
No, it's not.
>>54354248
>Is there anyway we can guarantee that Vulkan wins the war against DirectX 12?
>Realistic ideas only please
Well then obviously no lmao
>>54354553
>can
Obviously Microsoft won't make the Xbox one do that. Sony doesn't seem they want to abandon their API and switch to vulkan either.
>>54354518
No.
The only reason most viruses are designed for Windows is because that's the OS their target group of users are running.
If the average non-technical user switches to a different OS, virus devs will simply switch too. It's not like other OS are immune to viruses, there's just no profit in them because all the stupid users use Windows.
>>54354464
yea, I was being serious too.
all people would have to do, literally, is stop using winshit and linux would get a fuckload of non-free dumped on them, too. saving everyone from the monopoly shill shit.
>>54354544
>>54354562
The original claim was contested and has no evidence supporting it. You can either provide proof, recant, or admit you cling to a belief.
>>54354620
It's harder to make viruse for unix based operating systems
it's easier to protect unix based operating systems
fuck off.
>>54353964
Nah. DX12 will win.
The evil empire always win in our world, not the republic.
>>54354644
Average user won't bother protecting their system.
>>54354493
>>54354620
we don't know whether linux/OSX in mainstream would actually see less viruses, cause it has never happened. But you could certainly make some arguments why it would be harder to produce virusses for these operating systems: sane permission system, sane differentation between user and admin, package managers mean users basically need no permissions to do anything outside of ~, and don't need to be able to execute anything that has not been deemed trustworthy by the admin/package manager. clearly that would help.
>>54354644
>It's harder to make viruse for unix based operating systems
It's a lot easier to make malware though.
There have already been fake game installer scripts that have put scripts in users autostarts and have been sending users files rate-limited via curl for months without detection. You can get in as root with fake or compromised custom packages that desperate idiots will install to try get some decent non-free software.
>>54354644
If every hacker and cracker in the world had spent the last twenty years making viruses for Unix-based operating systems, it'd be a lot easier, due to the accumulated depth of knowledge and experience.
Considering that basically every distro out there has servers running by default and allowing incoming connections, I reckon the reverse situation would be just as messy.
>>54354620
Thats not even true, people only write viruses because it's "easy" to target OS exploits in an Operating system in a desktop setting.
The real money and a better target is corporate and enterprise servers, most of which are dominated by Linux.
No major Operating system is free of exploits and vulnerabilities, but Linux is benefited from many major companies being heavily invested in making linux security airtight. Plus Linux users are more likely to set up proper security, firewalls and avoid viruses altogether
>>54354673
imagine if the software was as controlled as launchpad controls 70% or more of shit people install on debian/ubuntu based OS's...
you'd have to get your virus through heavily monitored (pretend this is the most used OS in the world) secure servers, with paid staff watching.
feat in itself, how many viruses make it to apple store or play store
This is a /g/ood conversation though /g/entlemen. first one I've seen here this year.
>>54354730
How about now?
>>54354730
Hehe pajeet poo lol xD
>>54354646
It'll win if Microsoft successfully tricks enough people into installing Windows 10.
>>54354765
Which they already have.
And gaming companies will keep being lazy fucks and go "let's just use what we always used when making PC games". PC ports are shittier than ever, no why they are gonna spend more time on them.
>>54354758
even better
>>54353978
how can it be more power efficient when linux has no drivers?
>>54354765
>if
It's already too late.
>>54354800
How's the corporate marketshare, though? I don't personally know of anyone who uses it at work, whereas 10-15 years ago companies would have contracts with Microsoft obligating them to switch over after a predetermined time.
>>54354794
>windows 10 uses 4gb of ram on startup
>linux would have the drivers overnight if nobody used windows
that's how
>>54354822
Really hard to tell. They've bloated the numbers with US Gov't contracts which are included in every survey because M$ wills it to be so.
>>54354825
>>windows 10 uses 4gb of ram on startup
Except it doesn't.
Even on 64bit I use 1.2GiB at startup with all my shit loaded. If I disable all services I don't stricktly need it goes down to just less then 700MiB.
>>54354822
non existent
I know Mortenson won't move from windows 7 any time soon by the looks of it, in fact they're discussing moving to apple.
we had a 2 billion dollar job for wind turbines and 90% of the shit used on site were ipads.
>>54354847
>GiB
>>54354705
Most malware gets in through exploits in shitty 3rd party trash like Flash which is not strictly a Windows thing. Idiots will still run installers and even enter their root password when prompted. You can't fix stupid. Unless you're running a completely locked down walled garden like iOS.
>>54353978
Virus' would just target Linux.
>>54354825
Win 10 can use as little as 500 mb on boot if you slim it down and are running the 32-bit version.
>>54353978
its true that linux has less viruses but thats only because its less popular then both osx and windows. if everyone switched to linux overnight all future viruses would be created for linux systems
>>54354881
>and are running the 32-bit version.
. . .
Why is Vulkan even on my PC? I never approved this.
>>54354942
The god of fire does not need your feeble, mortal 'approval'
>>54354910
Linux has way less attack surface than windows. Your can't compromise a system via a font file, for example.
>>54355009
>compromise a system via a font file,
this is really a thing on windows? is this a feature?
>>54355026
Well, the NT kernel does the font rendering in Windows. There have been a few cases where a font file inside a word document has compromised whole corporations. Kaspersky is one example, iirc.
Essentially you can gain highest privileges by hiding code inside a font file and have the kernel run it whenever it's drawing text on the screen.
What is funny is that these vulnerabilities are often introduced by Adobe, as is typical for them.
Unix systems don't have this issue because the graphical desktop and font renderers are userspace programs and run on the same privileges as your web browser would.
Font rendering security is a classic example of how windows is shit that only barely works.
>>54355131
Also I've got to add that windows font rendering looks like ass.
>>54355145
Your mom's ass looks like ass
>>54353978
(You)
Buy games that use Vulkan - and then use it.
Do not buy games that use DirectX 12 only.
Use Linux or OS X.
>>54354825
you have no idea what power efficiency is about
>>54354910
Stop spreading misinformation, anon. It's true there's more demand for viruses on Windows, but to say that's the only reason is false and a badge of ignorance. Unix and Linux have far more resilient security.
>>54355145
wish I could get nice fonts on my redhat at work
>>54357056
>Unix and Linux have far more resilient security
uh, unix systems are usually not accessible from outside and security is afterthought
>>54354872
Good Luck with that
>>54354822
We're supplying small and medium size companies, not one of them uses win10 on workstations, unless it's a shitty laptop for the spoiled invoice girls.
>>54353964
Spend large amounts of money on contracts to make big companies use vulkan. Since they then know vulkan, they won't take the hit and learn dx12.
>if everyone used linux it would be better
Except it wouldn't
You can actually install 'reputable' things from your local repository that can break your system if you didn't know you had to change your permissions. Linux doesn't "just work"
>>54353964
Vulkan already won since nobody uses windows phone.
>>54354486
>amd donated it to become the foundation of vulkan
and have done nothing to support it ever since
Then Nvidia picks up the slack
???
am i missing something.
if next generation consoles will have amd then it would be gg for dx12
pc gaming is irrelevant
>>54358275
You're not missing out anything, AMD gave Mantle to the Khronos group but this thing only works for AMD cards which is less than 20% of the market and completely useless for Nvidia until Nvidia sent their software engineers to help Khronos write the adequate api calls to properly use Nvidia's hardware.
Vulkan is good since its multiplataform but Nvidia has had near zero driver oveheard for OpenGL since years ago yet no one uses that, Vulkan's future looks very muddy to be honest, that new Doom game don't even runs on Vulkan, instead it uses Opengl.
>>54358371
Even if it's nvidia or even intel it changes nothing. The only platform that can even use DX is M$'s.
after free win10 bs ends
dx12 adoption will halt
>>54358554
W10 has like 0% market share, they're guaranteed to extend the free period so they can keep pushing their literal trojan installer unto win7 users.
>>54358383
Yikes.
Oh well.
Would be nice to see DX12 and Vulkan but i doubt thats happening.
Terrible really i mean in the late 90s i grew up with Direct X, OpelGL, Software, Glide and other Api's
Now we cant even get one right.
>>54358604
>15%
>Nothing
Let normies and buinsesses keep 7 its outdated and slow compared to 10
vista was shit
8.x is shit
as soon as the updates stop they will have to move to 10
same thing happened to XP and 7 has just gone into extended support so its on its deathbed
>>54358693
40 bing points were added to your account, mister pajeet!
