why isn't manjaro a more popular reccomendation to linux noobs?
>>54339674
Trends change. Manjaro is already a popular distro
Install Arch.
>>54339674
Arch fags hate it because it makes their precious district more accessible without following "the Arch Way"
Why isn't void linux more popular?
>>54339750
nene
>>54339674
bumperino
>>54339750
Arch fags are the most butt sensitive of all linux users, it's embarrassing.
>>54339674
Yeah, I'm a linux noob, currently running Mint and heavily considering moving to something better, would Manjaro be good?
>>54339805
Because the devs and users are a bunch of elitists who think Linux should only be reserved for a few chosen ones.
Also, it's for people who don't mind spending 8 hours a day building xbps packages, keeping them up to date and dicking around with their distro rather than using it to do any actual work.
>>54339674
Because it's shit, just like every downstream distro that rips off 99% of other people work.
>>54339674
This >>54339728
It's already popular. I don't know why Arch users on /g/ are crying that more users are switching to Arch based distro lol. If they find it too easy or they want to build their own version from scratch they will move to Arch eventually.
>>54339853
Yes. I recommend XFCE version. KDE is looking decent too.
>>54340060
This, go slackware or go home.
>>54340060
Doesn't it hold back updates too?
>>54340060
What did I say?
>muh arch
>>54339674
Hi Tenshin
>>54340163
It does. That's literally the only difference between it and arch. They don't even test packages during this time, just hold it off for a week.
Manjaro is used solely by 1 group of people - linux newfriends who don't want to be considered "noobs" for using "noobuntu" so instead they use Manjaro.
The only reason this distro even exists comes down to the fact that arch devs are too stubborn to introduce gui installer, which is retarded on its own.
>>54339674
If you can't figure out how to install Arch Linux, you don't belong here.
>>54339674
Unstable Arch wannabe.
>>54340060
>just like every downstream distro that rips off 99% of other people work.
So it's just like Arch then, good!
I'm currently using it and it has a plenty of positives, but the lack of proper troubleshooting information on the web for it is very frustrating. The community being rather small and mostly composed of clueless noobs means that most problems you have you need to go discuss over with either Archfags or Gentoofags, and the former gets an allergic rash the moment you mention your distro so you have to play "pretend Arch" with them.
>>54340892
>implying Manjaro is just a glorified Arch installer
It also has multikernel support, three different repos sorted by bleeding edge fuckedupness (the last being equal to Arch stable) and an OpenRC edition that's at least receiving a modicum of maintenance. I wanted a package based non-systemd distro and Manjaro was the closest thing available (except Void which refuses to run on my machine).
>>54339674
It's sad that this thread wasn't created to actually discuss Manjaro, but rather to just shitpost about Arch. Why all the bullshit for a not so stealth Arch hate thread? Mods starting to ban the more obvious stuff now?
>inb4 le angry le arch fagget le le le
>>54339674
Xubuntu exists and while Manjaro has a decent track record, it still isn't anywhere near Xubuntu's legacy.
I certainly like it and I like the idea of offering it to noobs, I just think it's a bit early.
>>54339805
Does Void have some kind of an AUR or Slackbuild equivalent?
>>54340865
>The only reason this distro even exists comes down to the fact that arch devs are too stubborn to introduce gui installer
Why waste time working on a feature that literally no one wants?
>>54339674
its p broken from my experience. xubuntu is a much better 'noob' distro
>>54339674
Obligatory image. That's how manjaro's security handled.
>>54340865
>arch devs are too stubborn to introduce gui installer
Because it's not like you don't already have the choice from amongst like 5 community made ones, right?
>>54340865
>gui installer
Arch just need a installer only.
One like the OpenBSD one will be sufficent.
>>54341409
what
in
the
actual
fuck.
>We have a problem
>Gimp your system, compromise your security, bend over, to access our site
Is this shit for real? That kind of fucktards actually distribute a linux distro?
>>54339674
>>54339674
Because Antergos actually follow the Arch way and Manjaro don't.
>arch way
Is that a kind of religious manifesto?
>>54341624
That so sad but it's real ;_;
http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Manjaro-Linux-Wiki-and-Forum-Aren-t-Accessible-Developers-Instruct-Users-to-Change-Their-System-Clocks-478006.shtml
>>54341485
Because you literally don't, I think only Architect is decently working right now, most of those installers end up getting abandoned at some point.
Overall fair point but I honestly never understood why Arch devs are so against the idea of including some kind of installer to ease the process of installation. It's not like installing Arch is any difficult anyway and 99% of users just mindlessly follow the guide. There is very little reason in this whole shit besides some learning experience the first time around.
.>>54341607
Actually yeah, gui part is not necessary.
>>54341749
This is why you don't go with some wannabe distribution and stick with a tried and true one like Debian or Slackware
> More people complaining about arch users complaining than proposed arch users complaining.
I use arch on a few things, The fuck is wrong with people making branches from it?
(I also use Bunsenlabs and *gasp* windows 10)
Starting to get the feeling It's all just people who cant into (barely) complicated installs putting down the distro and it's "users" because of some ass-hats on a shitty forum are obnoxious twats and it deviates conversation from their own ineptitude.
Distro fanboyism Is just as ridiculous is console fanboysim.
>>54342375
as console fanboyism* sorry.
>>54341485
The 'manual' install of arch is a fucking joke. You follow the guide on the wiki and it holds your hand through the whole process. So it's a guided manual installation that might as well be automated with a few prompts, like Debian's.
>>54342375
>More people complaining about arch users complaining than proposed arch users complaining.
This
>>54341409
Hahahahahaha
What a fucking joke. Manjaro, not even once.
>>54341902
>most of those installers end up getting abandoned at some point
And considering it's a rolling release distro, this is a problem how?
>>54339674
because it is arch with an installer and usually the installer does not work properly or at all. last time i tried the installer was broken on the release version, the nightly build proceeded to save over my windows boot sector for no reason even after i specified a different sector be used.
>>54341902
>I honestly never understood why Arch devs are so against the idea of including some kind of installer to ease the process of installation
Ease the process? It isn't exactly rocket science in the first place. There isn't an official automated installer because no one using Arch particular wants or needs one.
Of course, there's literally nothing stopping you from cooking up something as simple as some bash scripts or a full-blown GUI "lel shiny buttons!" installation method for your own uses.
>>54341409
Oh no. It's like the Linux Mint thing all over again
And they're both green. Funny
I'm staying on Debian and I'll keep recommending Debian + Debian based distros to folks, personally. Was never a huge fan of Arch but I can see what they're going for. Might try Gentoo sometime
>>54339674
Because they used to be fucking retarded when it comes to security. They improved massively but shitposters aren't willing to let go that easily.
>>54343043
>They improved massively
[citations needed]
>>54343057
>they didn't improve
[citation needed]
The meme that's been repeated constantly is that they hold back security updates, but they haven't done that since 2012. Security updates are released immediately and the rest are held back for testing, unless you don't want to wait.
>>54343137
>but they haven't done that since 2012.
[citation needed]
>>54343173
>they're still doing it
[citation needed]
>>54343207
Apparently they are, since you seem to be unable to cite a source from anywhere but your asshole.
>>54343207
hey, you are using someone else's meme in an argument, that's not `nice`
>one anon makes a baseless claim
>another anon counters it with another baseless claim
>both ask for citations from each other
Sasuga /g/-sama.
>>54343273
Except I never made any claims at all, that was him desperately trying to greentext things I didn't even imply, let alone say.
I just want him to cough up a source demonstrating that they stopped holding back security updates since 2012.
because it kinda sounds like mandingo which makes me think of the BBC
so yeh
>>54343296
You never provided any source that they even started in the first place.
>>54343334
So now it never happened at all? That's how you're trying to get around talking out of your ass?
kek
>>54343352
>That's how you're trying to get around talking out of your ass
I'm >>54343273
He made a baseless claim and so did you. Why do you think that you don't have to provide any evidence but he does?
>>54343334
>You never provided any source that they even started in the first place.
lol, you already did that for him
>that they hold back security updates, but they haven't done that since 2012.
>>54343365
>He made a baseless claim and so did you.
I'm sorry, where did I make any claim at all, baseless or otherwise?
>>54343371
>>54343391
He made a baseless claim that it's no longer occurring and you claimed that he was wrong. If an event hasn't ended then either it is still occurring or it never occurred in the first place. Your implication is that it actually did happen, so it's reasonable to conclude that you believe that it's still occurring.
Actually, based on your vehement shitposting about it, I'd be willing to bet that you couldn't find any evidence that it happened in the first place, which is why you resorted to memeing rather than arguing.
>>54343459
I'm not shitposting, I'm just asking for proof for the claim. No amount of samefagging, misquoting greentexts, distractions, or semantic word games about who's claiming what is going to change my question.
So, he made a claim that they once held back security updates, and have since stopped this practice since 2012.
Is there any proof for this claim?
>>54343482
I'm agreeing with you that his claim is baseless, calm the fuck down.
You are asking for the proof of the cessation of an event that neither side can prove even happened in the first place.
>>54343524
But the fact that it was an issue was never in question. The entire thing was a fiasco that lasted for weeks when it first came to light. Arch developer Allan McRae became particularly vocal about it after the Manjaro core team explained how their packaging and updates worked.
Trying to claim that you're ignorant of it is disingenuous at best. It isn't exactly obscure news.
http://allanmcrae.com/2013/01/manjaro-linux-ignoring-security-for-stability/
http://allanmcrae.com/2013/10/comparison-of-security-issue-handling/
https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=1278.msg8600#msg8600
Now then, still waiting for a source that this practice stopped in 2012, or at all.
>>54343585
>Now then, still waiting for a source that this practice stopped in 2012, or at all.
See >>54343524 or >>54343459 or >>54343365 or >>54343273
I said from the start that I agree with you. Once again, calm the fuck down.
Plus, a simple Google search shows a blog post from Allan McRae himself commending Manjaro for fixing its security policy. It's from 2015 not 2012, but still.
>>54343680
>I said from the start that I agree with you.
No, you didn't. The only thing you've said is that we've both made "baseless claims" during the discussion, as your own quoted posts show. I'm still waiting for someone to point out where I made any claim at all, but that's beside the point.
Other than that, you keep repeatedly telling me to calm down, as if to imply I'm mad or upset. I'm just a guy asking for a source. One I suspect doesn't exist.
As far as McRae's post from 2015, you're right. A quick Google search turned it up. But let's actually bother to quote it here...
>But it appears that Manjaro has a new security policy, which means that packages that are rated as “Critical” or “High” in the Arch Security Advisories get pushed through their “quality assurance” process more quickly.
So only if they're marked as "critical" or "high", and only to make it through to the updater "more quickly", whatever that actually means.
And it only took them until 2015 to actually get to this point? Bravo, Manjaro!
>>54339674
I'd recommend Manjaro to someone who has had some experience with linux before and is not a complete retard
So most people who come here for advice on which linux distro to pick are out
It sort of is OP. I really enjoy pacman and yaourt. but I just feel debian based is always more stable and just wins. Also prefer the community. Although Mnajaro community isn't arch. ya knowww
jon snow
>>54339674
It sounds like Mandingo, so it is doomed.
>>54343218
Holocaust happened, prove me wrong
itt: mandingaloo babbys getting btfo
>>54343771
Can't find the exact source right now but I remember a kernel vulnerability from january or so that Manjaro fixed even earlier than Arch did
>>54343913
>Can't find the exact source right now
Yeah, that seems to be a recurring theme among Manjaro users in this thread.
>>54343173
>>54343207
>>54343218
>>54343251
[citation needed]
lol
Looks like we've reached the embarrassed samefag shitposting phase of the thread.
>>54343921
jesus christ you are so salty right now
>>54343932
you are not me, imposter
>>54343962
Salty? Is that a /v/ word or something?
>>54343962
It's mine now and you'll never have it back!
Bwhahahahha
>>54339853
Yeah, just keep in mind that GTK is broken for most themes because 3.2 fucked everyone over
Pretty sure this is universal, but you can get firefox in GTK2 and it's fine. KDE is GTK3 only
>>54343972
it's a word from so called „english language”
>>54343973
i think, that i have to get over it…
What even is this fucking thread?
>>54344010
no one really knows.
i think that's crypto-arch-hate one
and once again the assholes of manjingaling gadzooks/looney users are left a smoldering ruin
>>54343972
Not him, but it's a "gamer" word that originated on Twitch.tv meaning a particular kind of angry that is usually caused by your own actions, e.g. a speedrunner might be salty if he fucked up his run.
I'm not sure if /v/ uses it or not.
>>54344104
So Manjaro users are gaymer kiddos? What a surprise.
>>54344115
Manjaro users are gaymers just as much as Windows users are. Some are, but it's not a majority.
Plus performance is worse on Manjaro than Ubuntu, so you'd think that gaymers would use that instead.
>>54344135
Isn't Ubuntu the "official" distro for Steam anyway?
Manjaro, an ancient African word meaning "too fucking stupid to install Arch or Gentoo."
>>54344144
That would be SteamOS, which is based on Debian, but it makes sense that Ubuntu would benefit from Steam's work on optimization.
>>54339674
Maybe cause it's fucking shit?
>>54343921
>taking "distro wars" this seriously
Are you an archfag?
>>54344189
I wasn't talking about SteamOS, I was talking about Valve's distro recommendation.
>>54344169
I use both, what now faggot
>>54344218
>implying there were any "distro wars" in this thread and it wasn't just manjaro users getting completely btfo
>>54344241
Why would you use more than one distro?
>>54344104
Salty is a word used by the fighting game community that has been used before twitch/self streaming was a thing.
>>54339674
Because it's relatively new and not as well established (yet). But if I had to switch to Linux (as a newbie) I would switch to Manjaro.
>>54339853
Yes
>>54344249
I can only see Arch newfags shitposting in a thread where the question is
>why isn't manjaro a more popular reccomendation to linux noobs?
I'm still surprised you didn't post your screenfetch :^)
>>54344318
yeah, everyone is against you and they're all archfaggots
>>54344249
>manjaro users getting completely btfo
Try harder next time, shitposter-kun.
>>54344318
im not using either arch or manjaro, both had problems mounting veracrypt partitions
>>54344286
It was the 5th most used distro in 2015. I'd say that there fairly well established.
>>54344362
>there
Fuck, why does this browser have autocorrect? Should be they're.
>>54344266
Why not, manjaro has openRC and works right out of the box without the hassle on compiling every single package on a laptop like gentoo does.
>>54341358
No, because in vlidlinux dev eyes that is ruining the purity of void. If you use void you can't have a life outside of void. Void is life.
>>54344346
>Try harder
why? you faggots got rekt pretty easy
this thread went too meta for me when you started shitposting about shitposting
>>54344266
Why not?
>>54344435
>namefags upset about shitposting
>>54344414
>you faggots
I use Gentoo. And where did Manjaro get rekt even once? It looks to me like it's just the usual memeing about things that no longer apply.
>>54344435
Ehhh join us, it's fun. Fuck Manjaro and it's green color!
>t.Manjaro_user
>>54344362
>5th most used distro in 2015
citation needed
>>54344460
i'm blue
>>54344455
>this thread didn't actually happen
ok
>>54344478
>i'm blue
da ba dee da ba die
>>54344461
[citation provided]
http://www.tecmint.com/10-top-most-popular-linux-distributions-of-2015/
It was actually the 7th most used, though.
>>54344478
da ba dee da ba die
I'm still using default Manjaro XFCE. I'm mostly looking at editor or browser, do why bother
>>54344479
Scroll up, anon. You may think that you btfo'ed them, but to everyone else you're just repeating stale memes.
>>54344532
lol, i didn't blow anyone out, i'm just here to watch the shitposting fest and damage control from manjaronoobs
>>54344511
Distrowatch statistics are a meme and not accurate for the real world
>Redhat not even in the list
>Mageia 6th
>>54344555
I still don't get why are you so bitter? Imagine if most of the Manjaro users switched to Arch and started to spam forums and IRC with stupid and simple questions?
>>54344555
>i'm just here to watch the shitposting fest and damage control from manjaronoobs
>>54344600
>bitter? what gave you that impression? i'm just here to watch the shitshow
>>54344407
So do I have to resort to autistic deprecated cmake methods to install my thinkpad utilities or?
Well, now that the dust has settled, we can conclude that Manjaro is still a security nightmare of buggy tools, delayed patches, and a skeleton crew of devs without a clue.
At least we can recommend it to the noobs who just want to rice an anime desktop.
>>54345368
Nobody concluded anything, my dear fellow memster
>>54345552
It doesn't have OpenRC though
>>54339938
sounds like the official /g/ distro then...
>>54343025
Mint is Debian based.
Here's an actual answer: I recommend Manjaro if you're relatively new to gnu/linux and want to try out pacman in a pleasant xfce package out of the box.
Tried Manjaro for a while. One update locked me out of my encrypted system, another caused my windows in KDE to vibrate whenever I touched them. I just gave up and went back to Windows. I'll return to Linux someday, maybe when I stop being NEET and no longer have time to enjoy my computer.
>>54345831
I'd recommend it for KDE instead. I don't know what changes the Manjaro team makes, but Manjaro KDE is the most stable implementation of KDE I've ever seen.
>>54341902
>I honestly never understood why Arch devs are so against the idea of including some kind of installer to ease the process of installation
The Arch devs are even more elitist than their braindead userbase (whom they've ABSOLUTELY shit all over, lmao)
>>54346078
How can you, as a user, feel elitist, if you don't copy paste from the wiki?
>>54345552
Antergos is great. I've been using it for a while now and can't complain.
>>54339674
last time I tried it was 2 years ago, and it was even pretty decent back then. Some Drama ensued among the devs and shit posting grew on their forums.
>it's a shitposting thread
