Election is coming up soon and I am wondering if there are any parties genuinely working towards better internet infrastructure in our country?
Personally I think the only real solution at the moment is to break up telstra.
>uncle works for Telstra
>use Optus
/devilish/
Bumping as I want to know too~
>>54319583
The internet infrastructure is never going to get better. Also thanks for reminding me of Metadata retention.
>>54319583
>any parties genuinely working towards better internet infrastructure
Pirate Party, Greens, Labor. Although Labor might need a kick in the pants to properly ditch FttN and go back to their original plan. Really just about anyone who isn't LNP affiliated.
>only real solution is to break up telstra
This was part of the original NBN FttP plan. Telstra was going to become just another ISP owning minimal last-mile infrastructure.
>>54319583
>break up telstra
no please. I like my job.
Don't expect anything to change for at least 20 years
>>54319728
>like
>job
>>54319742
I don't. I am not completely retarded, just hopeful
Only the greens give a fuck about online privacy and better internet infastructure, too bad they'll never have any real power as nobody ever listens to them. Malcom turnbull is seriously fucking up the internet and nobody cares, it pisses me off to no end. Mandatory data retention, huge botnet data centers, laws that let companies block websites they don't like and the neverending torrent of "cyberwar" propaganda... Good job australia, orwell would be proud. Just kill me now.
>>54319749
working at a government sponsored monopolist is usually pretty awesome.
>>54319583
My internet isn't that bad.
I just don't know who to vote for. Turnbull's stance on illegal immigrants is pretty good, but I don't know about him.
>>54319778
I know that feeling. Its not just our Countries gubbermint shitting it all up though.
>>54319853
Forgot picture.
None of them genuinely work towards bettering infrastructure. They're all more interested in cockblocking each others projects and bills. Liberal only wanted to get into power to put a halt to the NBN project to waste money then change the plans to waste more money so they can say " XDDDD LOOK HOW INCOMPETENT LABOR IS XDDDD LOOK ALL MONEY THEY WASTED XDDDD ".
Also privatising the internet industry (i.e splitting telstra up) is bad. Why is this bad? Look at the US. All of the ISP's there monopolise the shit out of it all. None of them will improve their infrastructure as they dont want to spend ANYTHING. They literally have laws in place that make it ILLEGAL at the highest point for another ISP to sell in their "hood". They will literally assassinate any competition.
>>54319778
>tfw i fell for the 500GiB data cap meme
>can't even use 200GiB on my slow connection
Tee hee I have fttp nbn
But yeah fttn is fucking bullshit, it should all be either fttp or wireless No fucking exceptions.
>>54319877
>tfw most aussies pay for a 20Mbps connection
>tfw when most only achieve 1Mbps
ISP's have been given tax brings that go into the trillions. Yet none of them have spent a dime on infrastructure in the past 20 years.
>>54319877
>Paying for your internet
Feels good to still be living with mummy.
>>54319583
>Not voting for Pirate Party
Greens and labor fucked up the NBN by jumping into bed with helstra and holding up the deal they should have just let their network rot and start making a entirely new network.
Liberal Nationals you should absolutely NOT vote for if you want any decent internet.
So basically donkey vote or vote for a small party and put up with horrible internet in the meantime.
>>54319865
cable?
Julia Gillard as Prime Minister again when? I'd like to see that sexy red head back in parliament.
>>54319966
Yeah. They really need to do something about upload.
A lot of people told me it'd be over congested, but I get 100mbps all day. There must not be many people on my street using it.
>>54320042
My shithole is over congested. Got any prunes?
Why should it be your governments job to get you decent internet?
Make your own ISP, do it yourself, if you're so desperate
>>54320088
>This is what lolbertarians actually believe
>>54320088
Because everyone has the time, money, and knowledge to do so.
>>54319749
>manchild
You're the reason Liberals dig up the welfare systems. I hope you die in a housefire.
>>54320088
Do you not understand how fucking big Australia is?
>>54320106
>manchild
>implying i'm a male
>>54320108
He's from america he doesnt even know how big anything is apart from his ego
>>54320088
>seriously advocating infrastructure competition
top kek lolbertarian
Seriously though, I have been considering the idea. Not for your retarded reason, but because I want to change the accepted business model. Imagine if internet was a flat rate for the speed tier, then you pay the ISP for downloads and the ISP pays you for uploads. Suddenly the ad-based revenue model that is the cancer killing the web has no more justification.
>>54320108
Don't go digging that bullshit up. See pic related? The red/grey areas collectively cover 97% of the population. Yeah. The size of the country is not actually a problem.
>>54319583
>Personally I think the only real solution at the moment is to break up telstra.
this most likely won't make our internet infrastructure better.
the NBN has consolidated internet providers and internet infrastructure. NBN, telstra, optus, TPG, M2.
>>54319723
>Although Labor might need a kick in the pants to properly ditch FttN and go back to their original plan.
labor have said that they will go back to FTTP but if you get FTTN before then, bad luck.
Why don't we just walk into parliament wearing burkas and just take a shit on someones desk?
>>54320137
>and the ISP pays you for uploads.
>paid for shitposts
pls make isp in melbourne
>>54320164
Consolidation is a natural consequence of cutthroat competition once all the innovation has been shaken out. The trick, if you want to keep the economy running smoothly, is to prevent *complete* consolidation. Something like the four pillar thing we've been doing with the banks.
>>54320194
Or we just kill ourselves.
>>54319937
Or you could man up and riot/lynch Turnbull.
>>54320252
Or we could sit on our asses and do nothing for the rest of our lives.
>>54320122
Tits or gtfo. A manchild is a manchild.
>>54320297
Cis scum.
>all these retards advocating more government to combat a problem created by government in the first place
If you think the Greens are anything other than a dangerously authoritarian joke of a party then you're a fucking moron.
>>54320319
Shhhh its okay well have a little revolution when I'm finished having my drink.
>>54320152
The fact that 90% of australian population lives on the east coast makes it a lot easier but queensland alone is bigger than most small countries so it's still no small feat...
>>54320137
If ISPs payed me for upload I'd be ddosing 4chins with shitposts 24/7 and make enough $$$ to quit my day job.
>>54320260
Kek this is why we will never become a republic.
>>54320319
Pick your evil, they're all fucking terrible and voting is mandatory so what the hell are we supposed to do? The system itself is flawed and as a nation we're too lazy to change it.
>>54320347
>tumblr_nxglvzHs8S1qcp8syo1_500.gif
>>>/out/
>>54320354
>>54320379
Thats a nice chinese style character, I like you. Its all f00d mane you can stay.
>>54320379
Please post moar qt chinese grills
>>54320177
>Burqua man jumps down from the public auditorium
>Takes shit on the Speakers desk
>"GIBE US DA FYEBA TO DA PREMESIBS!"
>>54320454
All while parliament question time is on tv
>>54320487
>shit on the speaker's desk
>question time
Nobody would bat an eye.
>>54320347
>ddos
Yeah, that's part of the problem with the idea. Gotta structure the payments so that spam and ddos isn't rewarded. The other issue is that it naturally leads to a subtle encouragement for websites to become bigger. If you thought javascript bloat was bad now...
Labor, although I don't know if the NBN is even recoverable.
Don't vote the Greens, they're SJW faggots who'll let the boats in.
>I am wondering if there are any parties genuinely working towards better [...] our country?
No.
>>54320564
>being concerned about the boats
Aside from the numbers being small as fuck (thanks Europe for being such a great diversion!) sensible policy would be to have the detainment centres on the mainland, treat the seekers humanely, and process them in a reasonable timeframe. Not these continual attempts to stick them in offshore illegal indefinite torture camps. We're not talking about letting them in, we're talking about being non-retarded.
>>54320565
yes there are a few parties but they are usually filled with teenagers
>>54320605
What the fuck are you on about? Have you not been in a major city lately?
labor only has the chance of winning, so vote for them to get the FTTP back
>>54320565
This is what you get with a structural two party system. New Zealand style voting reform when?
>>54320617
>labor
It's spelt Labour
>>54320629
No, it's not you dumbarse.
>>54320347
God, he's ugly.
Literally could find a better guy on grindr in a jiffy
>>54320615
Those are legal Asian immigrants
>>54320634
Shoo Americano
>>54320615
I live in a major city, you pleb. I'm enjoying FttP NBN too. Are you talking about asylum seekers or immigration in general? Because the amount of the former is tiny. There is a ton of the latter, yes, but that's a different issue. One that is kind of necessary while the fertility rate is below 2.
>>54320643
>legal Asian immigrants
We must live in different parts of Australia. I wish they were asian man.
>>54320629
Australian Labor Party
>>54320644
>dumbarse
>Americano
Fucking dumbarse.
http://www.alp.org.au/
>>54320663
Australian Shit Fest
Should I vote for Labor or Liberal?
>>54320663
But there is also a Democratic *Labour* Party. They even used to have an MP in the Senate. :^)
>>54320260
Ah yes the true strayan way
>>54320252
Protesting is banned in nsw
Yay jail time!
>>54320564
It isnt FTTP is ded
>>54320687
It really doesn't matter. Everything will turn out shit anyway.
>>54320703
>Protesting
>banned
Orwellian times ay?
>>54320703
>protesting banned in NSW
Such is life in the second most totalitarian state of Australia.
>>54320703
New installations would be FTTP if they take government back
>>54320670
???
>>54320720
Just in my shitty state and only about gas/fracking its so fucking corrupt
>>54320726
Tasmania locked up bob brown for protesting... so :S
>>54320729
>Neo Labor
>FTTP NBN
KEK krudd is long gone
straya cunt
>>54320731
>>54320737
>Tasmania
Close, but I was actually referring to Queensland.
>>54320763
Qld is fucked
>>54320731
>>54320761
#rekt
>>54319583
Liberal Democrats
>>54320763
The town I grew up has cctv cameras everywhere now. I got a cab ride one day and pointed out to the cabbie where they all were. He didn't notice any of them. I'm quite scared desu no one can see whats going on.
http://australia.isidewith.com/results/2284027408
>Greens
welp
>>54320777
lolbertarian pls go and stay go, if you had your way we would just privatise everything and let telstra sort it out
and stop stealing votes with your naming scheme. there was already both a liberal and a democrat party before you got there
>>54320761
SHOGUN, FUCK OFF
>>54320796
Except the Liberal part aren't actual liberals. So they stole the name first.
Also, the Democrats just got deregistered.
>>54320796
The fuckin NBN should be privatised what a money sink that 90% of the taxpayers that are funding it haven't seen the benefits of, how may years has it been?
Take the test cunts
http://australia.isidewith.com/
>>54320796
>lolbertarian
Alright, if you want big government, being enslaved by the upper class and pay taxes to corrupt politicians who will sooner or later come up with an authoritarian regime, have it your way, I'm not even Australian
>>54320835
>>54320720
found the 16 year old redditor
>>54320835
>>54319583
Boomers don't give a shit about internet. We just have to wait until they all retire, so maybe in 30 years.
>>54320653
No they're legal Lebo's who should be deported
>>54319583
The Greens want to continue with full FTTP which is objectively the best, cheapest and must responsible solution in the long run.
...but they're the Greens. Lefty cucks who want to turn us into Sweden/Germany.
It's a dilemma, that's for sure.
>>54320605
This. The hardest question on our citizenship test is literally "who's our most famous cricket player?". That's the kind of question you'd find under the lid the lid of a XXXX bottle, you're average drunktard could pass with ease.
>>54320782
Same here anon, they have a mesh network of cameras all over the city and in the buses. I often wonder if they have some sort of facial recognition or if they just store the video and dig it up later.
>>54320933
See the thing is its not even a city. ITS A FUCKING TOWN but they still have a trillion of those cameras monitoring every inch of the place.
Had a taste of a 800kbps connection the other day, lads. Felt like I was dreaming.
>>54319853
>illegal immigrants
u dumb?
>>54320912
Well, it sure beats the other parties turning us into a shitty version of america.
>>54320957
can't wake up
>>54320893
Baby boomers are already retired or retiring, m9.
>>54320933
>facial recognition
Wear dark sunnies then
>>54320893
No that's simply not enough.
We must round up all the normies and herd them into gas chambers.
>>54320835
How'd I do lads?
>make gubbermint agency for actual infrastructure
>build nation wide fiber network over the next decade or so
>make it available to any private ISP which can then offer actual services (build their own datacenters etc. on the respective nodes)
>makes room for more competition because ISPs don't have to get expensive permits and cabling work etc.
>use income from ISP rent to slowly pay back investments etc. that were needed to build fiber network
>fiber agency slowly becomes profitable, any profit not used for maintenance and staff costs will be issued as tax return to citizens
could this work or am I too naive?
End this nightmare please
https://pirateparty.org.au/event/issues-facing-the-transgender-community-working-group-2/?instance_id=12879
>>54320835
This was slightly to be expected. I'd want my vote to count, so voting for Labor seems most logical.
Mine desu http://australia.isidewith.com/results/2284035999
>>54321012
Nah sunglasses are too seedy, I have this to keep me hidden:
http://m.instructables.com/id/The-Invisible-Face-Mask-/
>>54320952
It's happening all over the country, they're going to link it all together between states so they can catch "muh terrorists". Call me tinfoil hat tier crazy but I got a feeling that's what they're doing with the huge datacenters in canberra they've started building. Brandis kept saying "it's top secret, can't tell ya" when the greens were questioning him so it's pretty suspicious...
>>54321040
This WAS the original nbn plan before it got fucked up by gillard
You can also check out the MP for your area and see how they voted on key issues:
E.g. I live near this cunt. On paper he's a fucking cunt:
https://theyvoteforyou.org.au/people/representatives/casey/tony_smith
>>54321040
>any profit not used for maintenance and staff costs will be issued as tax return to citizens
Better to just put it into revenue, to pay down debt, or something else.
But as a general rule, the government doesn't like to make its own money or have its own stuff. Even government department buildings that have been occupied by them for decades are owned privately and leased long term to the government.
>>54321065
Your vote basically always counts.
>>54321000
not quite, m10
but it definitely ain't gonna be 30 years, fuck
>>54321238
Uhh, yes quite. Baby boomers are all about 50-75 years old.
>>54321216
>fucked up by gillard
That's a funny way to spell abbott and turnbull.
>>54321228
>the government doesn't like to make its own money or have its own stuff
This is "privatise the profits, socialise the losses" otherwise known as blatant corruption.
>your vote basically always counts
You actually fell for the vote-always-counts meme? Top lel. Try living in safe electoral divisions, which cover 60+% of the country. Or try voting for a minor party. Or try voting in a Queensland election. In New Zealand your vote always counts. Not here.
>>54319875
No you have it backwards. It is bad because Telstra WASN'T split up.
They own the lines AND your retail plans just like it is in USA, except the USA has several large companies that own significant landlines (Comcast, Verison etc) that control their little mini-monopolies, whereas all we have is the great orange monolith that is Telstra.
That was the entire point of the NBN. To take the countries infrastructure out of the hands of a private entity that is letting it fall apart because they refuse to spend any money keeping it up to standard. Kill off Telstra's infrastructure side and let the retail half compete with the rest of the ISPs on an even playing field.
New Zealand did it right. They sold their national telecom provider but kept the landlines. The wholesale landline owner (Chorus) is now rolling out FTTP with no opposition because the government doesn't have to fuck around negotiating with a private company like ours had too. They told them to build it and the fucking did.
We did it once with Labor because we needed access to the ducts to pull fiber through, plus cash incentive to Telstra so they would cut their customers over to the fiber and shut down the copper.
BUT THEN
Liberals decide to waste BILLIONS more money by fucking up the process and go with FTTN because politics. To build FTTN you need a copper network, a copper network the government SOLD OFF. So back to the negotiation table to hand over a FUCKLOAD more money because FUCK equal playing field, we have party donors to suck off and a country to screw over! Go team LNP!
Telstra's network needed to be re-nationalised but the copper is useless. So we started to build a better one in its place to fix Howard's monumental Telstra fuckup back in the 90's and the Liberals just swoop back in and shit all over it because they are a bunch of socially disconnected and corrupt Tories with no vision.
Should I go with ALDI mobile? They're cheaper
>>54321423
>ALDImobile
First Aus mobile company I've seen that's competitive with Amaysim.
>>54321423
Kogan Mobile's better desu
>>54321423
topkek
As a Germanfag I always wonder that out of all companies (other than cars) we have, ALDI and LIDL were the ones to go multinational
>>54321466
Their schtick is contract discounts. Not bad, but I like month-to-month thanks.
>>54321395
Yep, voting LNP in this day and age is roughly equivalent to publicly shouting that you're a braindead shit-flinging retarded monkey.
Greens.
LNP and Labor aren't going to do shit to destroy the Telstra monopoly.
>>54321526
Labor was literally in the process of destroying the Telstra monopoly before the 2013 election happened.
>>54320309
beito desu
>>54321268
perhaps I misinterpreted your original post
all I'm getting at is 50 is well below retirement age
>>54321551
Good job son i'm so proud of you. Yes it was clearly bait and for that I am sorry.
>>54319583
The Greens are the best bet.
Their name is really unfortunate, as people automatically decide they are hippies.
I think we'll get a Greens government within the next 2 decades.
>>54321573
>I think we'll get a Greens government within the next 2 decades.
You're wrong.
>>54319853
The way Australia treats migrants is fucking horrendous. You should be ashamed for supporting it.
>>54321539
That was Labor under Gillard. Shorten is a spineless gillock and has already said he's not going to unfuck areas that are already getting "NBN".
>>54321573
I live to see the day the voting population has enough sense to put a greens govt. in.
>>54321580
It's shameful. Unfortunately our two media cartels are racist as fuck and like stirring up anti immigrant sentiment in the bogan population
>>54321578
I hope not.
They're growing rapidly every year. Young voters are sick of the bullshit, and Lib/Lab are so out of touch with what people actually want.
>>54321580
KEK this is bait r-right? They get treated a thousand times better than alot of people fucking born in the country.
>>54321580
>trying to sneak into the country
They can fuck off, if they want to come to the country they can come through legal channels instead of jumping queue.
>>54321565
Original telstra-job anon here, thats not me.
I don't do bait. Quit that shit back in 2010.
>>54321606
Not really. We are actually torturing those fuckers. That guy didn't just set himself on fire because he wasn't getting into the country. He did it because his life was so fucking bad it seemed necessary. That's pretty telling.
Actually fuck it. Telstra Employee here. Ask me anything about big blue-and-orange.
>>54321599
I hope so.
They are as fundamentally against personal freedom as every other mainstream party, they just choose to victimise different people.
>>54321616
What are you talking about jew cunt?
>>54321625
>telstra employee here
fuck you.
also everyone remotely in tech in this country knows a telstra employee. you fuckers are rampant. 3 of my uni mates are working there.
>>54321624
>One guy sets himself on fire so we're all horrible xenophobes
>all this hate for telstra
>hating the one company that actually give decent rural support as opposed to that saucepan with a 12v battery attached to that optus call Regional network coverage
>>54321625
Why the fuck do I pay for ADSL2+ and still get ADSL1?
>>54321587
>voting population has enough sense to put a greens govt in
If our electoral system wasn't so fucked up we would've already seen a Labor-Green coalition back in 2010. Not even joking. Check the overall voting percentages. Why does NZ get proper voting reform but not us?
>>54321614
>jumping queue
Literally a meme. There is no queue.
>>54321626
>They are as fundamentally against personal freedom as every other mainstream party
do you have anything to back that shit up?
>>54321638
all the other cases of depression and suicidal tendencies clearly don't count.
>>54321644
we could see a Labor-Green coalition somewhat like Liberal & National if Labor would pull their heads out of their asses and stop being the Libs with a different name.
>>54321606
>>54321638
You're a real moron, or a massive troll.
Either way, fuck off with your childish shit.
>all these Victorian and New south wales fags sympathizing that the dindus on their rafts should be welcomed with a red carpet and a free home
No wonder this country is fucked
>>54321645
>do you have anything to back that shit up?
Yeah, their own damn website. Go through their policies and ask how it impacts the individual.
Easy choice is their ridiculous stance on pistol ownership.
>>54321643
You don't. Read your contract. Or call up and swap for free if there are available ports.
You get the fastest speeds available for the chosen technology type. If you were contracted for ADSL/Cable, you get the fastest available one selected by the sales consultant at the time. Also, you might be getting ADSL2+, but the distance and line quality to the DSLAM brings the speed down to ADSL quality. Check your router. If the DSL Modulation type lists anything other than "ADSL_G.dmt", you're probably on ADSL2+. You can also ask Bigpond to resync your line, or force it by unplugging your DSL cable for 30 minutes.
>>54321676
go back to your coffee shop and choke to death on a chai latte you loser
the way we treat refugees is a very fucking good policy. look at what happened in europe, mass rapes, neo nazi parties getting serious popular support, complete discontent, thousands of people drowning every month, and a government struggling to avoid bankrupty.
>>54321679
When will we get a sane response where we take refugees, but only as many as are willing and able to integrate into Australian society? Current policy is retarded, but just taking a ton in is also retarded.
>inb4 never
>>54321704
>spending tons of money on unnecessary expensive illegal offshore indefinite detainment torture camps
>very fucking good policy
I'd hate to see your idea of bad policy anon.
Why is our country fucking itself up the arse by letting in so many refugees? Did we not learn from Europe?
Also inb4 >>>/pol/
>>54321669
Liberal and National isn't even a coalition these days. They're just different aspects of the same party. It's even official in Queensland.
>>54321730
>national security is a bad policy
You saw what happened to Brussels, why do you want it to happen here?
>>54319910
you're an idiot.
ISP's here advertise their speeds in megabits, not megabytes.
>>54321730
the amount of money we spend on keeping those people on manus island is actually tiny compared to the amount of money it would cost to bring them into the community, because we have such expensive, comprehensive refugee settlement programs.
and they're not indefinite detainment torture camps - at any given moment all people on manus island can elect to move to cambodia, they just choose not to.
The reason labor get behind this solution as well as the liberals is because its actually a very cost effective and socially just program that is massively misunderstood by the general public.
>>54321732
GOTTA KEEP UP WITH THE MOHAMED M8
>>54321748
Because cheaper humane onshore processing is totally insecure, right? Take your false dilemma of torture-camps-or-let-them-all-in and gtfo.
>>54321732
Only 1 in 20 immigrants are refugees, and a even tinier fraction are boatpeoples.
Unfortunately importing a fuckload of chinks and curries is bipartisan government policy while we good goys are only allowed to get angry at the refugees and boatpeoples
>>54321754
>at any given moment all people on manus island can elect to move to cambodia, they just choose not to.
Cambodia isn't much of a choice, m90. That is one extremely corrupt shithole, I remember a few years ago a bunch of prison guards were caught pimping out women and running a female prison basically as a brothel.
>>54321772
If you want to change the immigration policy you can start by making it demographically feasible. In other words, start having babies you fuckers. Low immigration and a fertility rate of 1.93 is how you kill a country by old age aka Japan.
>>54321772
this.
if you're going to white australia policy, do it fucking right. Poo in loos are left right and centre, but these fuckers who got their homes literally bombed are being told to fuck off.
>>54321785
I have been to that part of the world and if they are genuine refugees they will find a pretty good life in cambodia.
>>54321808
If they are genuine refugees and we can integrate them then there is no reason to not have them come here. If they are *not* genuine refugees, then we should deport them outright rather than locking them up. This isn't rocket surgery.
>>54321808
I've actually lived in Cambodia, it's really not a nice place. Out of all of South-East Asia, probably only Burma and East Timor are worse. Even though Laos is poorer, there isn't the society-wide cloud of depression that hangs over the place.
>>54321836
if it was such a shit pie why did you choose to live there?
>>54321797
WE CAN'T HAVE BABIES BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD HOUSING BECAUSE THE CHINESE KEEP BUYING ALL THE PROPERTY
>>54321855
Personal reasons, mostly.
>>54321858
So end negative gearing (that's a Labor policy) and unfuck zoning laws to encourage higher density redevelopment (harder cause of how a lot of state governments are just corrupt/incompetent as fuck). Come on, suggest solutions.
>>54321868
sounds like you wanted to get balls deep in PERSONAL REASONS
>>54321858
its not just the gooks coming here en masse, its also ridiculous government policy on housing. negative gearing is about 30% of the problem. a huge part of the problem is this:
a significant amount of australian people own a house on a mortgage
a large amount of people in australia can't afford a house.
If house prices stay high, the poor people can rent from the rich people and society remains "stable". the poor people will still be happy to vote for whichever party.
if the house prices decrease, it will fuck the economy so almost nobody can afford to buy houses. and a huge amount of people will be extremely pissed off that the house they poured so much money, blood sweat and tears into just halved in value. When you're paying $800,000 to the bank over 20 years on a house now worth $500,000 you're gonna be militant.
so the easiest solution is to do nothing and appease the rich.
>>54321941
>When you're paying $800,000 to the bank over 20 years on a house now worth $500,000 you're gonna be militant.
Maybe that's exactly what we need, a revolution...
>>54321970
or just let more chinese in so that the moment someone gets a deposit and buys a house they are guaranteed to be on the gravy train for the rest of their life
>>54321941
So we need a policy that will reduce housing prices slowly. But that's long term, so the government will fuck it up.
>>54322043
That's assuming the Chinese situation remains unchanged, but half the reason why the Chinese are buying up here is because of the political situation at home.
>>54322098
we need a policy that will make house prices grow at 1% per year for a decade. reducing the value of house prices will make banks obscenely rich and fuck up peoples retirements because they will be paying way too much for their home in mortgage.
>>54322108
you are right. china is absolutely FUCKED financially and nobody realises it. in australia you get 80% LVR home loans. in mainland china you get 130% LVR home loans. which means they are going to have a fucking brutal crash there at some point.
>>54322139
It's not just that, but the government crackdown on corruption and grey-market dealings that's sending the money out of the reach of the Chinese government, as well as a crackdown on personal and political freedoms after a couple decades of relative relaxation, and the central government trying to bring the special administrative areas under tighter control.
>>54321644
>There is no queue.
There is proper procedure to provide evidence that you aren't a fucking cunt though.
I'm all for letting people in to improve our GDP, but why the fuck would any country want some dero cunts?
>>54322354
don't be a racist
>>54320835
So who do I choose? It's all the same to me.
>>54319865
how's pleb cable doing for you?
>>54323207
>using the optical jew
>>54323312
photoshop i can see the pixels, i share with 4 other people and 1 TV, multiple phones all at the same time, DVR doing 3MBPS
i beat you, chump.
>>54323427
i can see the pixels too senpai, 1440p isn't exactly high resolution
>>54321580
>boat niggers who jump queue and will contribute absolutely nothing to society but leech centrelinkbux are migrants
I'm glad they tow them back out to sea to the middle of nowhere and left to die and then openly claim that they've been sent back to where they came from safely
>>54320912
No, FTTP/FTTH is now the shit option.
FTTdp is the objectively superior option as it by passes the number one biggest cost with FTTP vs FTTN - the front year, driveway and house of the end user - digging that this up, chasing wirse through walls, remediation on completion, etc are the BIGGEST cost factors.
FTTdp does away with them by simply changing up the current FTTN plan with VDSL2 running from nodes no more than 1KM from your premesis, to VDSL2 running from the easement in the front of your property (or mdf if apartments/flats)
>bbbut muh fiber!
That's the BEST part - you can still have it!
If you need/want fiber, all you have to do is pay for the final work of running fiber from your driveway to where ever in your house - if you dig the trenching required it's ever cheaper!
>>54323773
>if you dig the trenching required it's ever cheaper!
Now, where'd I leave my backhoe...
I'll check in my other pants!
>>54323773
hey how does it feel to have abo poor connections? i have FTTH it's litterly inside my kitchen, you jelly i can litterly eat the optic ends.
>>54323844
Did you actually read any of my post, or are you an actual idiot whose only contribution is 'lol abos'?
>>54323821
Sure it's probably not an option for you - but it's an option that's available under the trial.
NBNCo is trialling FTTdp now, if the rollouts run according the plan and budget, it might(should) be replacing FTTN as the rollout method for future sites.
Cheap Fiber for those who want it, cheaper VDSL2 for those who simply don't care.
>>54323902
I think you mean FTTN, not sure where you graduated, but it surely wasn't in another modern country where terminology is actually meaningful. I was even reading the leaks a few months even half a year ago which stated they were doing last mile coverage by copper that means anyone who falls short of that is fucked, and besides copper degradation is shit-tier.
What would be more interesting is if they went route of hybrid copper-optic internet (coaxial) and decided they were going to pump 100mbps through the fibre lines then do last mile @ 300mbps with existing.
Too bad we have a crazy fukken wallaby as our prime minister who is litterly cranking out cumshots for his American overlords in the northern territory.
>>54323773
gtfo LNP shill, that "pay on demand" bullshit both costs more than just doing FttP and results in speed disadvantages, as Britain found out.
>>54323902
Actually browsing through some of these articles released by the minister of telecommunications our prime minister herself ;) most of the terminology is corrupt, i mean most of the technologies are just existing off the shelf products which have been renamed for whatever reasons to shave costs?
also ADSL2+ ANNEX M should suffice for many poorer junkies/abos/bogans who are just streaming interacial anyway, oh wait most ISPs in Australia didn't even offer that when it was already available in exchanges.
They need to break up Telstras monopoly which still exists (believe it or not) Do what they did in New Zealand, make a publicly funded company to look after the lines then sell spots in cabinets every 1KM or so.
Not sure what Australia is bitching about.
>>54323951
You're not keeping up with the times mate.
FTTN is already rolling out.
FTTdp is in trials.
FTTN is roadside cabinets every few KM, connected via your old Telstra POTS line (and fiber from the node back to the nbnco depot)
FTTdp is Fiber to the Distribution Point, the idea is to run fiber all the way to the sidewalk/road in front of your house and end there - as the last ~50m is the most costly to install.
Standard installs will run VDSL2 from the pit in sidewalk/roadside (the single user 'dslam' will be connected the fiber and will be powered from the users premises via the phone cable)
Otherwise the user has the option of a full fiber install, which will incur a cost (~$800 or ~$350 if no trenching is required) if they so desire.
>>54324025
You're trying to equate this with FTTN which is what you have, this isn't FTTN we're talknig about, we're already rolling that shit out, this is an alternative being trialled - much like how BT is now trialling Skinny Fiber as another alternative to FTTN
>>54324032
Annex M costs mo money, protip: it was close to $8 EXTRA per port licensing fee for on Ericsson dslams - I don't know what Optus/Telstra/TPG paid, but both Adelaide ISPs that ran their own DSL networks used Ericsson and I know this for a fact as I worked for one of them (they're BOTH owned by iiNet now so who really cares)
Also I'm not if sure the shitty Optus Huawei dslams could even do Annex M...
>>54324146
Actually look, here Delimiter even 'leaked' some info so you can see I'm not bullshitting you.
>I honestly can't share any details that aren't already in the public sphere, I do like my job.
https://delimiter.com.au/2016/03/16/delimiter-publishes-nbns-leaked-secret-fttdp-plan/
>>54324146
>FTTN is already rolling out
Since when? Last I heard they were bogged down in bullshit. Like they should be. And like they will be should I ever see one of the nodes. Motherfucker won't be a functioning node for long, let me tell you.
>has the option of a full fiber install for this low low cost!!!11
And if you add up the cost of doing proper FTTP in bulk and compare to the option bullshit, you will find just doing FTTP to be cheaper.
>you're trying to equate this with FTTN which is what you have
No, I'm one in an area that actually got the NBN before Turnbull and Abbott sabotaged it. As mentioned previously, if they tried to put me on FTTN I'd make sure they would have a broken node in short order. Not happy with their tens of billions of damage to the country's infrastructure prospects. Not happy at all.
>>54324281
Check whirlpool, some of the first non-trial sites are even online now.
FTTN is (unfortunately) even rolling out in my area now - I've even got a RFS date of mid November...
It's too late for me, but hopefully FTTdp passes trials and replaces FTTN before too much 'damage' is done.
fucking racist pieces of shit. get out of this board.
>>54324339
>FTTN is (unfortunately) even rolling out in my area now
Then as any good right-thinking, telstra-hating aussie it is your obligation, nay, your DUTY, to destroy any nodes you see. Possibly late at night while drinking with your buddies.
>>54324402
That isn't going to fix anything, that's just vandalism mate.
Like straight up, doing shit like will costs NBNCo capital that could have been spent on nice things like FTTdp trials, which are hopefully going to save us from FTTN.
But being an idiot edgy teenager, you are potentially helping to keep us stuck on FTTN - what a cunt.
In any case, as I stated earlier, FTTdp is the future - FTTP is dead, too costly, FTTN is soon dead, too shit.
Turns out my pricing is old too, NBNCo are targeting a $250 install for fiber as per the delimiter leak (no cost upgrade from POTS to VDSL2 mode)
Those sealed dslams look pretty smexy in pictures too.
>>54321580
Seems like the best way for Australia to treat it's "migrants" is to sink their boats at sea.
>>54324483
>FTTP is dead, too costly
This is what is known as a lie. The purest, and utterest bullshit, in fact. The original plan would have made money, so the cost was irrelevant. The LNP had to sabotage the review in various dodgy ways to make it seem costly when it wasn't. And the total cost for FTTdp plus on demand fiber will be higher than just going with FTTP like in the goddamn original plan. And here you are advocating that people just roll over and accept FTTN when they could use appropriately applied violence to delay it enough for a change of government to stop being retarded. How's the shilling paying these days?
>>54324592
You're missing the forst for the trees mate.
FTTdp IS FTTP, just with the last final step of running fiber up your driveway, removed - as that particular step is the most costly step in the whole operation.
Instead, the plebs who don't even know what a broadband is will get VDSL2+, served from a 1 port tiny little sealed DSLAM in their front yard.
If you want fiber, you pay $250 and BOOM fiber, with the EXACT SAME configuration the old Labor/NBNCo plan used.
It's shaving billions of dollars off the cost of FTTP by just removing the final step only - the only copper involved is the shit in your front yard and house - even then only if don't give enough of a shit to pay $250 for real full actual fiber.
>>54324483
>>54324592
If it wasn't 3 bloody am I'd probably go dig up my stash of articles that show all the corrupt bullshit that's happened since 2013. Literally the best thing that could happen at this point is if zero "progress" is made by NBN until Turnbull gets kicked out on his ass. He can join Abbott in the club of prime ministers that didn't serve long enough to get the higher retirement benefits.
>>54324664
>removing economies of scale and shoving costs onto the private sector to pretend it costs less
Stop trying to ruse everyone. It's not working.
>>54324664
Can't wait to hear your mental gymnastics to justify whatever you want to happen with apartment buildings, by the way. Just connecting to the driveway isn't going to do squat there.
>>54324692
It's not 'economies of scale' it's people with fully concreted front yards or elaborate shitty rose gardens - after you dig their yard you have to remediate the site, replant their fucking roses, reconcrete their fucking driveway.
You have to do it too, because NBN isn't optional - you can't make someone choose between repairing their driveway and keeping their internet.
There is also the matter of idiots who'll sue over their precious fucking potplants or garden gnome or some other shit..
FTTdp bypasses them by leaving their shit alone, unless they CHOOSE it, in which case no one has to remediate shit, it's all on the homeowner.
>>54324724
Apartments/flats will continue to be FTTB as is the case right now but with an option to an approved cabler run fiber from your apartment to the MDF (with approval from body corporate/strata/building owner) at your cost, then NBNco will charge you another $250 to terminate that fiber in the MDF and run your line in bypass.
Please just read: >>54324211 already.
>>54324788
I am going to laugh so hard when this turns out exactly like South Korea, having to upgrade AGAIN costing billions of dollars more than doing it right in the first place, all because corrupt motherfuckers wanted to push costs onto the private sector for the illusion of saving money.
And by laugh, I of course mean seethe with murderous rage.
>>54319778
dont blame me I voted for the greens even though I hate SJW/feminists. internet is more important
