Appears the US can hold you for an indefinite amount of time if you don't tell them your passwords. Plausible deniability btfo.
>tfw simply "forgetting" them or inputting them in wrong is not an option
Man jailed for failing to decrypt hard drives http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36159146
>>54276205
He's a paedophile. He fucking deserves it.
It's bad but I doubt it would have happened without his sister testifying against him.
>>54276205
who cares about pedos
>>54276226
You don't know that. Freenet actually downloads others' requests through your connection to bounce them around.
Lol he was an ex police sergeant
>the NSA can crack a 2048bit AES key
FUCK
>>54276299
you're retarded
>>54276205
That's different. I talk with a lawyer that explains that you can be hold only for suspiction for a definite amount of time (e.g. 1 year) just because you are suspected and waiting for the DA formalizing the accuse to you or to release you. The fact that the judge said that he will released when he'll tell the password is not relate with the fact he is hold.
Also the real problem is the 5th Amendament. He can not testify against himself as stated in this document http://arstechnica.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/effamicus.pdf but he is compelled to.
An higher authority should solve this problem. So even if this don't seem llega it's just because you don't know the lay, apparently...
i have already gotten rid of all of my computers, and they are tools of the unrighteous
>>54276205
are you saying they will provide food, shelter, and medical care, in a non-prison environment, for life?
where do i sign up?
>create an encrypted volume with a random key that you never can memorize,
>give anonymous tip on yourself,
>retire early
>>54276444
Yes jail is the ultimate cosy, no worries environment. Especially in Norway.
>>54276444
M8 just kill a person if you want to be there...
>>54276475
but im not a criminal
>>54276465
if i lived in a norwegian prison my standard of living would increase tenfold. currently living in a third world shithole
>>54276299
you don't known what you're talking about, do you. You just added a well known algorithm and a key lenght commonly used for asymmetrical encryption together.
i don't have to divulge any information that would incriminate me
they can get fuckin fucked
>>54276507
>third world shithole
>russia?
>>54276226
>>54276276
agreed
>>54276285
I think they are kinda certain about it, see >>54276233
>land of the free
>soviet state tier laws regarding detention
>gulags aka "private detention facilities" even bigger than soviet gulags
>the submissive folk shout about their pride and freedom while they pay for and send their sons do die, defending my socialist gommie gaypride europoorian state
feels good
>>54276521
they don't have to let you go as well.
>>54276556
yes they do
people also dont have to obey the law
people can make their own explosives very simply and do it in such a way where its impossible to trace
>>54276556
actually they do, this will get fucking destroyed once challenged
>>54276548
No dude, gulag and other commie shit is still worse, I know it because I'm from russia which is an gulag
>>54276652
Well Russia is way further in human rights. America still executes like the dark ages.
>>54276652
I guess it's a matter of preference, would you rather enjoy fresh air at -50 C or the cosy insides at +50 violent people of colour
>>54276671
>human rights
>russia
Go back to your fantastic planet, comrade
>>54276233
Where in the article did you get this info? I read the entire article and there is no mention of a sister at all.
>Land of the Free!
I wonder when this meme will end. Its been proven for many years that the US government is highly oppressive to its own people and commonly disregards laws with no challenge.
Europe is very pussy so, this shit doesn't happen over here.
>>54276720
I live in a good country, thank you.
>>54276728
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/04/child-porn-suspect-jailed-for-7-months-for-refusing-to-decrypt-hard-drives/
>>54276285
There is nothing of interest to non-pedos on Freenet. I looked and got bored.
Kinda wish someone would make an encryption algo that can decrypt data into different plausible plaintexts depending on the key
Probably not really possible though
>>54276205
>Appears the US can hold you for an indefinite amount of time if you don't tell them your passwords.
I'm not American (and I'm not a muslim sandnignog), so I'm pretty sure they can't without a fair trial.
>>54277146
>>54276351
read this
If you've done nothing wrong they you've got nothing to worry about. That said, why would would you want to store illegal material in your hard drive and lock it with a password, making it obvious to authorities that you have illegal material?
>>54277231
He either does or he doesn't, if they have no proof then no, it is not obvious.
>>54277130
This guy
>>54276579
http://tips.fbi.gov/
Encryption is for paedophiles
>>54276205
He'll eventually get released and sue the gubmint for lods e mone, or they'll find other evidence and keep him locked up.
He may have to take it to the supreme court though.
>>54276444
>are you saying they will provide food, shelter, and medical care, in a non-prison environment, for life?
he's being held in the philly federal detention center.
>>54276795
Well God made the USA personally and he probably had a good reason for making encryption illegal. Are you questioning the authority of God?
>>54276370
Liars burn in hell. Rev.28.8
Actually it is possible they could hold him until he produces the password:
In re Boucher a border agent saw child pornograpy on a laptop but the laptop auto-locked. The courts ruled the defendant was required to provide the password as the password "adds little or nothing to the sum total of the Government's information about the existence and location of files that may contain incriminating information".
the fact that his sister testified she saw it may give them enough leverage.
if he's really smart, this is why he already provided non-working passwords.
>>54277231
The law doesn't say innocent until proven obviously guilty
>>54277484
I just don't want burglars having my data.
>>54276205
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.
This proves encryption is for terrorists and pedos.
>>54276205
Why is this still an issue? Couldnt you just make a hidden volume? Truecrypt is not the only program that can make one, can it?
>>54277406
>2016
>being fearful of authority
funny thing is, there are things you don't even know about, actions which are worse than any crime you can think of, which are perfectly 100% legal, and nobody can stop you from doing them
the government works for the people, and not the other way around.
maybe they are the ones who need to be afraid some times, and submit to citizen authority
>>54278139
Veracrypt does that. OS X's FileVault does not.
>>54276444
>encrypt harddrives with nothing incriminating on them
>browse tor network to make feds suspect you
>claim to have forgotten password
>get free housing, food etc for as long as it pleases you
>get free college degree
>tell them password or have it leaked whenever you want to get out
>sue government for false imprisonment
>>54276507
The encryption key is a literal get-out-of-jail free card.
Isn't it more ideal to just use a regular encrypted container? At least with that they would need to prove that the file is encrypted in the first place. I take it the apple program this guy is using asks for a password the moment it's connected to a computer, making it obvious.
There is a well-defined exemption to the 5th Amendment that allows judges to compel passwords to computers when the contents are foreclosed.
>>54276226
>>54276276
This is what stupid cucks actually think until the abusive law actually effects them
Fucking disgusting
>>54276556
if you live in a police state with no actual justice system you're right
Oh wait...
>>54277128
>look at my anecdotal evidence.
You are whats wrong with politics and society. Either learn how to argue or kill yourself dumb ass.
>>54278810
It's not an abusive law. The government has to make a substantial showing that they already know what the drive contains before they compel someone to produce a password. This is actually a higher standard than a traditional search warrant.
>>54278890
>The government has to make a substantial showing that they already know
Yes and they define the meaning of substantial showing so you better stop using encryption all together unless you want to learn just how far they can stretch its meaning
>>54276865
If you live in good country don't talk about Russian pigsty, because you can't know how people are starving and dying in the fear of KGB regime in fucking with 2016.
>>54278951
Thusfar it has held fairly well.
http://www.cnet.com/news/judge-child-porn-suspect-doesnt-need-to-decrypt-files/
>>54279002
>>54277685
>she saw it
why isnt she going to jail for looking at child porn then?
check mate united states
>>54279088
Yes they are laughing at russian bydlo.
does anyone with brown skin want to test this theory?
>be of middle eastern decent
>fully encrypt hdd
>create some pseudo-evidence for you being a terrorist that casts suspicion on you
>months later make an anonymous tip off that you are planning to blow up an underground train station
>refuse to decrypt your hdd and act really suspicious
>get detained indefinitely
>wait 6 months then kick up a shit storm on social media which will work because you are brown
>eventually decrypt your hdd after a year or after they let you go
>they see that its clean
>you sue for millions and retire early
i genuinely think this would work in this social climate.
>>54279583
>>eventually decrypt your hdd after a year or after they let you go
>>they see that its clean
>>you sue for millions and retire early
Nope.
You had the opportunity to clear yourself early on but chose to go to jail; your choice.
You would get NOTHING! Do you understand? NOTHING!
If you're in the situation where your hard drive contains information that can put you away for life, why would you willing hand it over? Sure they can hold you but eventually they'll give up when nothing comes to surface.
>>54279633
what if you dont eventually decrypt it?
no, only in certain situations can that happen.
and this is one of them. this is LITERALLY a case of nothing to hide, there isnt one reason why the person wouldnt provide the key.
and its not like any of you fucking nerds would last more than one night in jail
>>54278227
literally genious, too bad I'm European upper middle class, if I were American poorfag I'd do it right now.
>>54279900
>genious
Kill yourself
>>54279633
You need to say you forgot the password but you swear there is nothing bad and wait till they decript it themselves. You need to choose the correct encryption though. Tough enough to hold some time until you make yourself famous, but not too long so you don't stay there forever.
>>54279900
>genious
everyone is yurope is smart and beautiful
>>54279925
>>54279949
Sorry, I'm British.
What is the fifth amendment
>>54279955
It's not even spelled that way in England faggot
>>54278110
That's not how it works, simpleton.
Edward Snowden makes a good point about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument#For_privacy
>Locky rapes your hard drive
>make anonymous CP tip against yourself
>"Can't even unlock my own PC, officer."
>feds pay your ransomware for you
>no CP is ever found
>>54279994
>feds plant the incriminating material for wasting their time so you lose
>>54279977
I'm from Wales thought.
>>54279991
Snowden is a terrorist and/or pedo hiding in USSR.
>>54277231
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear is a BULLSHIT argument. People have an inalienable right to privacy. Oh privacy doesn't matter you say. Ok well I'm going to install a camera right in front of your toilet. It's for your own protection. If you attempt to remove the camera or hinder it, you are committing a federal crime.
>>54280056
This
>>54280089
Another profit making minion for the prison system agent kennedy! *high fives*
>>54280084
I honestly don't care of you watch me take a piss, I'm not some woman with an irrational fear of "creeps".
>>54280157
I'm also going to install cameras in every room of your house, so i can watch you masturbate.
>>54276285
>>54278810
Pedo defense force, go
>>54280529
>[insert morally offensive crime] is so henious that everyone should have to sacrifice their civil liberties
>>54280529
>it's no longer a generally abusive practice because it's used on "le filthy criminal scum"
>exceptions to a fair justice system and sane laws should be made because I say so based on muh feelings
delusional cuck defense force detected
It's cancer like you that enables tolerance for a systematic destruction of individual rights
>>54280755
>Mindless shitposting
>>>/b/
>>54276205
>pedo
He deserves that and much worse. All pedos should be lynched.
i dont think i've ever seen so much baiting in one thread.
>>54280816
then you have only been here a few hours
There is no actual discussion on this site in case you haven't noticed
>>54278143
>actions which are worse than any crime you can think of
Care to list some?
>>54276515
I lol'd
>>54276548
there's a fine line between life in prison and being "indefinitely detained"
>>54278439
yes
>>54280816
i stopped browsing years ago only to be reeled back in in the past few weeks.
there wasnt always this much political discussion im sure.
>>54277484
And bankers, and health care facilities. Can't forget businesses too, since they have corporate secrets. Oh! And government agencies. And, of course, government officials. But Joe taxpayer? Yeah it's illegal for him
>>54282318
Only pedophiles care about million dollar HIPAA fines.
>>54282592
Kek. Only pedos care about keeping their health between them and their doctors
>>54277484
Obvious b8
>pedo this
>pedo that
I think it's pretty clear what the G men can do to you if you don't comply. Apple supposedly has more money than the government. Yet the gov has succeeded in making Apple eat shit in recent headlines.
>hey apple, unlock this phone
>no. fuck you, i'm apple
>have it your way then
>>54282840
Can they crack passphrase iphones? I doubt most people use those though as it's inconvenient.
>>54282814
This whole thread is obvious bait
>>54276205
>don't give password
>be put in jail for 1 year illegally
>give password in the end
>they find nothing
>sue the police department and sister till they can't afford TP for their bathrooms
>millionaire in 12 months
Maybe he knows what he's doing.
>>54283807
They had to pay a consultant several million dollars to develop a crack for the 5c running ios8, so its doubtful they have anything current. They will just go around the crypto withother evidence gathering techniques, so its not really an issue.
>>54277130
>>54277400
why won't it be possible?
a bootloader could load the encryption prompt, depending on the key entered it could mount on a directory or w/e.
>>54278890
Traditional search warrants aren't exactly a high standard, the laws are a blanket system so that you can be picked off when you're problematic to whatever the current agenda is
Does some guy smoke pot within a mile radius of you? Are you growing your local state's plant in your window in a pot? Have you ever connected to TOR ever, or torrented a Gentoo ISO? You must be an illegal drug dealing child trafficking terrorist. Law enforcement now has a free pass to do whatever they want.
Are you kind of sort of near ambiguous school zones? Double the fines and shit, and the prosecuting attorney will have a god damn field day with you
>muh chillins!
>arrest this man!
>>54276205
Is the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" a dead concept in the US ?
>>54276205
>doesn't know about the all writs act
The government always does shit like this. Have any of you guys ever been to court? The system is against you if you're not rich. They give you a shitty lawyer and your only bet is to plead guilty or else you're gonna get fucked super hard in the ass by the prosecutor and the judge "for wasting their time" if you got the balls to plead not guilty. Seriously, go look at conviction rates.
>>54279002
You don't know shit about Russia. Stop spreading lies you worthless sack of potatoes.
>Deserving life in prison
>Pedophilia
get him a job and watch him or something
>>54285177
He is literally guilty of his charge of contempt of court though.
>>54276226
A true scotsman has nothing to hide.
>>54277231
Even if I didn't have illegal content on my HDD, I would not want people including the authorities going through my stuff.
It's my fucking privacy, fuck off.
>>54277484
guess the government is full of pedophiles
wait, this is the US, not the UK we're talking about here
>>54276226
fuck off normie
Can someone give me the background info on this story?
I live in the same county as this guy but I haven't heard anything about this story.
'MUUUUUUUURIIICAAAAAAAAAAAAA - land of the cuck
when will these cucks just off themselves? Why do we still need to hear about their idiocracy?
>>54286102
>you have childporn, decrypt your HDD
>no
>go to jail then
>7 months pass
>some cucks on /g/ get wind of it and decide it's time the world knew
>>54286102
>Can someone give me the background info on this story?
Just try googling child prawn, I'm sure you'll find the story eventually
>>54276233
this.
