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Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).
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If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", lightweight
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Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap.
>Excellent keyboards - tactile feel and quiet.
>Great durability: chassis uses a magnesium rollcage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels.
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing in the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
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Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
http://ktgee.net/tpg
New guides by xsauc:
http://www.dankpads.com
EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA & Canada only, usually 15%+ off):
http://pastebin.com/DujvzEzU
ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
https://www.lenovoservicetraining.com/
ThinkPad wallpaper collection:
https://imgur.com/a/NlepZ
1st for soft rim superiority.
>>54272994
/G/uys, tell me all the good and bad things about Nehalem, Sandy and Ivy era 12" to 14" EliteBooks and 13" and 14" 6series Latitudes (am not into 12" Latitudes because no clit).
Why should I, or why should I not, choose one of those over a T/X of the same age?
These
>Other business laptops
seem appealing to me since, at least where I am (and I have a strong preference to buy locally, not off ebay), they tend to be somewhat cheaper than similar T/X and also because the X230 (which otherwise would be my perfect choice) would make me pay through my nose for a genuine battery if I ever needed a new one, and because it just feels wrong to get an X220 when I can have the Ivy 2570p for about the same money (wayyyy cheaper than an X230).
What I'm curious about most is this:
• How good are keyboards on 2540p vs 2560p vs 2570p vs 8440p vs 8460p vs 8470p vs E6310 vs E6320 vs E6330 vs E6410 vs E6420 vs E6430 vs older E6*** vs pre-chiclet T/X vs T/X*30? Can someone share me some personal experience?
My only reference points here so far are pre-chiclet thinkpads whose keyboards I'm accustomed to and love, an E6400 which didn't feel any worse, and an 8440p which I saw in person today and which felt ok too, in terms of travel and firmness and pressure point or what you call it (even though its completely flat key surface was a bit irritating), and I certainly don't want something which feels notably worse to type on than these.
• Do all EliteBooks and E6*** take 3rd party batteries (unlike T/X*30)? If not all of them do, which ones do and which don't?
• How good are the screens compared between different generations of Latitudes and EliteBooks and to T/X*10/01/20/30 ?
I'm not super choosey on this, I don't desperately need an IPS or some other bourgeois bling, yet of course I'd prefer a better screen over a much worse one.
• Any hidden catches I should look out for? Things like thinkpads' un-unlockable bios passwords, linux support of all sorts, etc.?
>W510
>1080p
>1.7 ghz quad-core 820M i7
>8GB DDR3
>128GB SSD
>A Grade, whatever that may mean for the seller
How much should I pay for something like this, /g/?
The guide says that W510s are worth $140 - 400, which is a pretty broad range.
>>54273206
I'd pay 400 for that only because I've been looking for a W series and hardly come across one with a quad core
>>54273206
it felt weird using windows 7 on my T420. No drivers. shit is like 10 years old. ran great though. but I ditched it.
>>54273008
The one on the right is exactly how I remember they looked like on all laptops at one time
>>54273322
You try ebay? Where you from?
Payed $330 for a W520 1080p,i7 2720qm, 8gb of ram, quadro 1000m
Which thermal paste is best for my x100e to not let it overheat? Is the cheap one at bestbuy will do the job or should I go for a more expensive one?
>>54273079
Why get shitty x230 when you can get classic x220 much cheaper?
>>54273582
Not him, but newer processor, and usb 3.0(all models), and there's workarounds for the keyboard.
So I hear it's possible to get 16Gb 1866mhz ram running in an X220 at correct speeds if you mess with the bios.
Anyone done this?
How did you do it? How much risk is involved?
So the 9 cell battery i ordered for my new t420 arrived today (cause the one that came with it lasts 45 mins then dies at 30%). Turns out I ordered the wrong one. Said in the description compatible with thinkpads, didn't mention not ALL thinkpads. Guna have to return it to amazon and order the right one. Except that one was £70 and the one I actually need is £107 :/ suckssss
>>54273625
3520M is around 15% faster than 2640M, which is a ridiculously small difference if you compare laptops. And that's assuming that you actually buy the fastest CPU. An i7 x220 is still way cheaper than an i5 x230, and the x220 will be faster.
The usb 3 argument is also moot. So you're going to pay extra for a computer that has usb 3 on all models instead of paying less for a computer that has usb 3 but not on all models? Who gives a shit if all models have usb 3 as long as your computer does?
Workaround for the keyboard? How? Are you going to replace the keyboard? The keyboard is physically shit you know.
>>54273859
the x220 keyboard and palmrest is a straight swap and the key mismatch and malfunctions have been solved with a bios mod.
Been looking at an i5 220x with new 9cell battery. Any cons or drawbacks to these laptops aside from the overheating fan issue? Do they play youtube 60fps videos fine?
>>54273971
nope.
>>54273859
Also im not sure if this is the case for all of them but i find my x230 runs cooler and quieter than both the x220s my siblings have.
>>54273977
>>54273971
The X220 with an i5 will play 60fps YT just fine.
>>54274018
yeah, and if your watching cost go ahead and get the x220, if you want that little bit extra battery life and do not give a shit about the extra cost the x230 was fine. I wouldn't recommend people go out and get x230s if the x220 is out there unless they really want what the x230 offers
![WP_20160428_14_04_35_Rich__1920.noflash[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/lStqodN.jpg "WP_20160428_14_04_35_Rich__1920.noflash[1].jpg")
Who else /dock/ and /15.6"/ here ?
>>54274018
I've read all the guides. There anything else I should watch out for when buying one? Any personal experience with it or any gripes of your own?
>>54274114
No gripes for me, they're better than any laptop i've ever had because of the no frills design.
>>54273582
>Why get shitty x230 when you can get classic x220 much cheaper?
It's so many questions and statements in so few words.
As for
>shitty
>classic
- these are utterly subjective qualities. To me, the only thing that's "classic" about the X220 is the keyboard, and that's just the look thing really, which I can't care about less; tactilely, the T/X*30 keyboards are fine, at least that's what reviews and these threads say, but I'm yet about to testdrive one myself. And the only thing that's "shitty" about the X230 is that it cannot chink batteries. And yeah, the X220->X230 keyboard mod also exists.
>Why get something when you can get something else much cheaper?
To be exact, it's not that I can get X220 super cheap here (compared to what are their prices elsewhere), it's that X230 prices are just wrong here and my inner jew wont let me pay such.
>Why get newer architecture computer when you can get older architecture computer?
Just because newer, and because more powerful gpu.
And these two combinded is of the things that make me lean towards some T/X*30 contemporary for the price of a T/X*20.
This,
>>54273859
>An i7 x220 is still way cheaper than an i5 x230, and the x220 will be faster.
however, comes close to a kind of valid point
>3360M 4364
>3320M 4000
>2620M 3825
>2640M 3913
still, i7 X220 are not much cheaper than i5 X230, here at least
Anyhow, my point is not to develop a yet another usual shitstorm about which is the master race thinkpad. It's about what's good and what's bad about HPs and Dells compared to relevant Thinkpads. Screenwise, keyboardwise and otherwise. Thanks to everyone for a meaningful contribution in advance.
>>54274111
Is that a standing desk or I just don't get the proportions of your room?
>>54274342
>Is that a standing desk or I just don't get the proportions of your room?
Adjustable sit-stand desk, that's what the buttons are there for.
They're great, I have one at home as well and would not want to live without one. Being able to sit and stand at the computer is literally the best thing.
>>54274430
What height do you use it in standing mode, and whats' your body height?
>>54274619
The one that lets me use my computer comfortably. I haven't really measured it, I just press a button for a few seconds when I want to stand up and there it goes getting all taller on me.
>whats' your body height?
Not telling !
>>54274732
>Not telling !
Manlet detected.
>>54274741
Height bullying is real, man.
Not gonna deny that I'm short though
>>54274879
>Getting pussy with that thinkpad
It's cool, I'm only 5'10 on a good day.
![WP_20160428_19_58_02_Rich__1920.flash[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3GMPYyg.jpg "WP_20160428_19_58_02_Rich__1920.flash[1].jpg")
>>54274993
Thinkpads are mad pussy magnets, anon
>>54273625
>>54273582
Better battery life too and slightly lighter
>>54273859
>Workaround for the keyboard? How? Are you going to replace the keyboard?
Yep, an x220 keyboard fits right in, all you have to do is cut off a little prong on the touchpad button area
Then you flash a modified embedded controller firmware to remap some keys to their proper function, and presto, a perfectly working classic keyboard in a _30
>>54273859
>The usb 3 argument is also moot. So you're going to pay extra for a computer that has usb 3 on all models instead of paying less for a computer that has usb 3 but not on all models? Who gives a shit if all models have usb 3 as long as your computer does?
It's simple, the X220 is one of the models that don't
>>54273859
>3520M is around 15% faster than 2640M, which is a ridiculously small difference if you compare laptops
So? There's no reason not to get the faster one.
>>54274342
>>54276461
Fair enough
>>54276487
Okay, but that obviously doesn't factor in time and $$
>>54276499
Except that it is. The i7 version has USB 3.
>>54276535
Of course it's always better if it's faster, but personally I prioritize lots of other things above a 15% increase in processor speed on laptops (desktops are a different story). I'll grant you that an x230 with the fastest CPU and upgraded keyboard is probably objectively better than an x220 if money isn't a factor.
>>54276659
>Okay, but that obviously doesn't factor in time and $$
What doesn't involve time and money? It's well worth it to get the better typing experience.
>Except that it is. The i7 version has USB 3.
Just one model with USB3 is harder to find than the next gen where everything has USB3. Same deal with getting it for the i7.
> but personally I prioritize lots of other things above a 15% increase in processor speed on laptops
What things are those? Which ones aren't present in the _30 generation?
Final verdict is the _30 gen with the classic keyboard makes the _20 gen utterly obsolete.
Gonna get a thinkpad for school, i dont care about weight or size i just want something that just werks, currently its either the t420 or the x220
only thing is that the t420 has a brand new battery and the x220 comes with a 50% one. gonna do nothing but use it at school for notes and shit
>>54276922
t420 seems to be the better deal
x220 has a miles better screen though, I'd wait for an x220 with a better battery if I was you
>>54276922
>says he doesn't care about weight or size
>T420 instead of T520 when T520 is objectively superior in every way
Fucking retard. T520 runs cooler, can have better specs from the factory, and has a MUCH better screen with a factory 1920x1080 option.
The models that make sense are X220, X220t, T420s, T520, and W520.
T420 is like that kid in school that doesn't know what it should do with itself. It doesn't have a place anywhere. T420s is okay because it's a thin and light, and it actually is -significantly- lighter than its bigger brothers.
>>54277148
>fucking retard
Then why is the 420 recommended in the OP? Is the entire thread fucking retarded?
>>54277212
don't even bother. t420's are great and all ya need
>>54277271
I use my T420 more than my W520.
>>54272994
Do the w520 and t520 have any open source bios/uefi options? I was looking at libreboot but seems like they only list the older thinkpads as compatible.
I want to do it just to understand the bios better.
I refurbished a ThinkPad x200 with an affs screen mod, thanks to /g/.
Purchased a few older think pads in poor condition, and for too much money. They be busted.
I got this ThinkPad tablet 2 off eBay for $120.
>greatest form factor ever
> Bluetooth keyboard is a 9/10
perfect size but the optical track point takes getting used to (I kinda love it now), there is no on/off switch and shitty documentation (I learned you have to hold the mechanical switch+esc+delete), and the tablet stand doesn't have a latch (which may can be an asset of you use this keyboard with another device)
>the atom processor is shit.
Maybe I am missing something about windows, but it has taken months, and hundreds of updates to get this machine running properly. The emmc ssd sucks and I couldn't get the sd card to work like I wanted it to.
>Remote desktop turns this into a sweet thinclient,
but idk how to enable touch gestures on my school win7 VM
>i learned ie is faster than chrome
>microusb port has charging issues
which I am still trying to fix. You have to have the exact amp/volts charging the tablet.
Despite the trouble and maintenence, the thing boots in seconds. WiFi and Bluetooth are strong. I would very much recommend.
Now if I could only get the docking station for $50, instead of $100..
Sorry for the dirty screen, couldn't tell until the camera flashed
>ThinkPad Tablet 2
>9.5/10
>>54273709
Anybody?
>>54277635
what laptop is that in the pic?
>>54278613
>ThinkPad tablet 2
T H I C C
H
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>>54278662
i like how the keyboard goes all the way to the end, do they have a modern variant on this laptop?
>>54278868
I'm truly surprised how the T420 or whatever that is at the bottom can handle the weight of those two above it,.
I currently own an X220 and I'm getting pretty tired of having to look at such a shitty resolution. Whenever I switch back to my desktop I fell like I've been given back my arms and legs. Other than the 1366 x 768 resolution I love this laptop. What is a good alternative with a better screen?
>>54278868
step it up fuccboi
>>54272994
x201t or x220t
>>54278868
Damn son, which model is that?
>>54279437
G40
>>54279377
X220T is newer and not much pricier.
>>54279773
yeah but which one is better
>>54279806
X220T, That Sandy Bridge chip is a beast.
>>54279838
how so
>>54279847
It will load your porn much faster.
>>54277635
How bad exactly is the processor? Like can I watch/stream 1080p chinese cartoons?
>>54279859
Wish I knew how big a difference is between x201t and x220t. I'm not spec literate . pls help
I am pretty much illiterate when it comes to hardware, with no access to soldering tools and the like. Is it possible to upgrade USB ports to 3.0? Or switch out an optical drive for something else?
>>54279855
Unless you really want the Quadro. The T510. Already has an 850 evo too.
>>54279953
Look the CPUs up on CPUBoss.com. You can see benchmarks put in neat little graphs and given a score.
>>54279962
depending on the model, it could have en expresscard slot and you can stick one of these bad boys in there
http://www.amazon.com/GMYLE%C2%AE-ExpressCard-34mm-Adapter-Dual/dp/B0045BLP1S
My i7 2820QM arrived today. Going to put it in my T420, hopefully tonight. Wish me luck.
>>54280101
Thanks anon!
>>54279953
To put it this way, the x220t is superior in pretty much every way except the display on the x201t is 16:10 while the x220t is 16:9.
>>54272994
Will there be a noticable difference in battery between an x220 i5 and x220 i7?
also how do I know when it's time to buy a new battery and are chink ones generally ok?
>>54280170
you forgot that the x201 has a latch while the x220 doesn't and because of it tablet mode sucks because the screen swivels around freely
>>54280174
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but i5 2540 and i7 2640 are both 35w processors. Power consumption would only matter if the processor was a quad core like the i7 2720qm, which isn't native to the x220.
When is it time to buy a new battery?Battery 0: Discharging, 70%, 07:38:37 remaining
Battery 0: design capacity 7859 mAh, last full capacity 7039 mAh = 89%
>>54280255
When the battery doesnt last long enough for your needs.
I just got my 420s in the mail today, yes I know I should have gotten the 420.
Do you guys actually use the trackpoint or is it just a meme?
Any advice on getting comfortable with it. Do you guys use your index fingers?
>>54280304
I started using it. I especially like the scroll button in the middle that you hit, then use the clit to scroll up and down.
>>54280304
Ofc we use it. Just disable the touchpad for a week. I use my middle finger, but apparently thats weird.
>>54280324
The middle click is godly even if you are using the touchpad.
>>54280304
I use it so much I disabled the trackpad in the bios, just use it however it feels comfy, I use it with my index finger
>>54280304
i use it exclusively. Just practice, it essentially allows your hands to never leave the resting position on the keyboard. Index finger on trackpoint, and thumb to click. The center button allows you to scroll like a wheel.
>>54280342
Do you rest your thumb on the left/middle/and right mouse keys?
>>54280324
>I especially like the scroll button in the middle that you hit, then use the clit to scroll up and down.
can someone explain this to me? how do I do it, on arch if it matters
>>54280365
thumb on left mouse button
>>54280365
i do, but whatever's more comfortable.
Thinkpad of headphones reporting in.
>>54280368
>arch
420s guy here.
I've turned the trackpoint sensitivity all the way up and so far that feels more comfortable to me. Hopefully I can get the hang of it. I'm a bit worried my hands might be a little too small for it and I'll slowly cause some damage.
Anyone else here with smaller hands using the trackpoint? Am I just over thinking it.
>>54280368
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/TrackPoint
In the wiki m8
>>54280409
How so?
>>54280469
>>54280304
get a soft rim, it changes everything
>>54280469
definatly overthinking it, worrying about problems before they become problems
>>54280485
This
>>54280483
Easy to fix, especially due to the cable system. Good build quality, and they have the thinkpad A E S T H E T I C.
THINKPADS ARE SHIT FUCK YOU FAGGOTS
>>54280572
Have a (You).
>>54280221
>the x201 has a latch while the x220 doesn't and because of it tablet mode sucks because the screen swivels around freely
not quite so, the X220T does have these which stick into holes in the lid, and also the hinge holds it pretty firm
>>54280605
those things rip off very easily. And you can't buy replacements
Is x220 cover material any different from x201? I remember them old thinkpads being having solid body from something aluminium or something.
Also, any good solid ThinkPad with SSD? What are the possibilites for replacing rotating drive with SSD in X201 or X220?
>>54280675
>What are the possibilites for replacing rotating drive with SSD in X201 or X220?
It's possible. Replace the original drive.
I think the X220 supports mSATA, too.
With the t420, IIRC, you could install an mSATA drive, replace the old HDD, and put another drive in using an optical drive caddy.
>>54280675
Yes both have replaceable 2.5" drives. Not sure about the x201 hieght clearance, but the x220 allows up to 7mm, so no 9mm.
How long do these thinklights tend to last? Should I be careful to only use it when absolutely necessary?
I cannot decide between using OS X and using Linux+Windows on my Thinkpad.
Why does it run anything and everything? There is too much choice.
>>54280409
MDR fits the aesthetic better despite that model not having a user replaceable cable
>>54280807
>How long do these thinklights tend to last?
They're LED so longer then you will ever use them generally
>>54280781
>>>54280675
>Yes both have replaceable 2.5" drives. Not sure about the x201 hieght clearance, but the x220 allows up to 7mm, so no 9mm.
You can actually quite easily get a 9.5mm drive in the X220.
It's just difficult to get it back out. But not even that is impossible.
I put an Intel 330 in mine once. Only recently replaced it with a smaller one.
I'm currently using an X220 but find that there's not much screen real estate to do things on. Is the T420 a big step up in this regard?
>>54280936
T420 with a 900p is a very tight resolution., looks good.
>>54280936
The T420 has the option of a 1600x900 900p display, if you want something sharper consider the T520 or W520 for a 1920x1080 1080p display. Both will allow for more window real estate.
>>54280936
>I'm currently using an X220 but find that there's not much screen real estate to do things on. Is the T420 a big step up in this regard?
It's a resolution problem more than anything. Windows is 96dpi, and I am not sure if X, or GTK support anything lower than that either.
It's the biggest plus of using OS X on a laptop, because you get 72 dpi.
Mcdonnelltech.com has a retard proof guide on OS X if you want that, but you can also replace the screen with a higher res IPS panel, or indeed go for the higher res T420.
>>54280833
>OS X
>>54280993
Hm, my only concern is that it won't be viable to carry these machines around with me.
>>54280985
>>54281030
So the higher the resolution the more screen real estate I should have? What about the newer ThinkPads? They seem okay to me but I never see anyone in here talking about them.
>>54281128
Higher resolutions are what gives you more real estate, and we don't talk about new thinkpads because normal users don't need more than a sandy bridge and they're cheaper to get with such things as a high res display and lots of ram, SSDs and such.
>>54281151
Yeah my X220 runs great for everything I use it for. My only gripe is the low-res screen. I know it is possible to install a 1080p screen into an X220 but it seems like a bit too much of a hassle.
>>54280854
Yeah you're right, those are beautiful
>>54281128
New thinkpads aren't bad, however Lenovo favors being slim as opposed to ruggedness.
As far as max resolutions
1080p
X260
T460
2k
X1Carbon 4
T460s
T460p
3k
P50s
4k
P50
Don't know T560 off the top of my head.
>>54281128
>So the higher the resolution the more screen real estate I should have? What about the newer ThinkPads? They seem okay to me but I never see anyone in here talking about them.
Of course those new ones are fine machines. The reason the T420 and the X220 are so much more popular here as compared to the new ones is price to quality.
For a few hundred dollars, euros, or equivalent, you get yourself an exceedingly light, durable and high performance machine with an SSD and an external HDD backup, which on top of that has amazing connectivity, serviceability and support.
That is just for a few hundred dollars. All that is lacking is having only an above average trackpad, but you cannot even get that better for the price of the things.
The newer Thinkpads cost around 1500. They are about as performant. They are as, if not less, durable, have a different typing experience, but do have a better screen and trackpad.
Then you might as well go for fancy laptops like the XPS line or the Macbooks, if you like trackpads and screens and paying lots of money.
It all boils down to price.
>>54281267
>1500
Yes, I am aware of cheaper modern Thinkpads, but why would you want to give in to lower performance than what you already have and end up with a laptop that actually breaks when you toss it around?
>>54273079
Just go to notebookcheck.net so you can see the difference
Honestly that is real fucking aspie of you to ask the keyboard feel on EACH FUCKING LAPTOP.
No really, go to notebookcheck and see the details, make up your mind. I personally went through most of those laptops... Really just depends on what you want.
The EliteBooks are far cheaper but have a terrible keyboard IMO, missed keys when I used them, I prefer thinkpads but I don't mistype when I use a Dell Latitude, save for the 8760w, which I liked a lot.
Check out the E6430s, its a E6330 but with a 14" display, smaller bezel, on yes, 720p display though.
>>54273859
How rekt are you knowing that the X230 is a superior machine after the keyboard swap?
>>54277148
you forgot to note that the T420s comes with USB 3.0, but it has one less USB port and doesn't have space for an express card, oh and lesser battery life.
>>54277635
Holy fuck, thats a cheap price.
I think I sold the original Thinkpad Tablet for about $70 last fall... damn.
>>54281151
IF you need more screen, just get a dock and 2 big monitors. My igpu t420 isnt really happy running 3300*1050 (fan is always on) but it can.
>>54281303
>3300*1050
16:10 4 life.
>>54281267
>$1500
You can get a T460p with a quadcore and 2k display for less than $900.
Still expensive though.
>>54281326
>>>54281267 (You)
>>$1500
>You can get a T460p with a quadcore and 2k display for less than $900.
>Still expensive though.
I was not aware. My bad, sorry.
Do lock nails seem to get in the way of anyone else with the classic keyboard? It seemed easier to deal with with the chicklet styled keys.
>>54281347
long*
I can't decide between the t420 and the x220.
>t420
>little too thicc
>good screen res
>x220
>thin
>shit screen
what do
>>54281347
>>54281379
Cut your nails you filthy bastard
>>54281347
>lock nails
They really seem to be getting in your way!
But yes, they do get in the way of typing. They also get in the way of typing on a phone. The only keyboards I can comfortably use with long nails are the Mac desktop keyboards.
Thing is, you can either get used to it, or clip your fingernails and look more presentable.
As a woman or a trap, however, you might want to stick with chicklet keyboards I guess.
>>54281315
It is rather nice.
>>54281395
I'm sure this I will. I usually like to keep my right hand's nails long though for guitar.
>>54281382
T420s maybe?
>worse battery life than t420 9cell even with ultrabay battery
>more expensive
There's also mods people have done to replace the low resolution screens on the x220, not sure how difficult it is to do though.
>>54281347
Those hormones won't make you a real girl
>>54281423
Damn man, those 2009Ws?
>>54281424
I see, well I usually just lazily lay my fingers on the board to type, now clawing it.. So I have no problems typing with any length (unless they're super long, eww)
>>54281424
How about using a pick?
>>54281432
But they will make him sexy.
>>54281434
NO, E228wfp (the right one is a e228wfpc, but i see no difference between them). Good $60 monitor i'd think.
>>54281432
lol
I have no interests in being a girl.
It's tough though because a lot of my friends in the past identify as transgender but the relationships always end when they can't accept that I don't see things their way. Too bad. I'm just altogether done making friends with people like that unless they make it clear they can handle people with different opinions then their own.
>>54281463
Pick will never replace the fingers.
>>54281463
Oh and I honestly don't need the hormones to look pretty. I get mistaken for a girl pretty often here in the south but consider myself to be comfortable masculine. I'm a prince.
>>54281478
>$60 monitor
Shit, I'd be better off getting two of those than one dell U2412M 1200p.
>>54279962
Depends but the optical drive can be swapped for a battery or hard drive caddy.
And it can be swapped for a serial port if you really really need one.
>>54280807
Usually forever unless the LCD ribbon cable gets busted
>>54281128
If you never owned a thinkpad before and you don't mind spending $400 or so on a good machine, I recommend Ivy bridge and later machines.
4K IPS X1C3 worked well with Linux mint, 8 hour life, but its thinness deterred me from it, happy with a T430s.
>>54281502
Just look on ebay. That price included shipping too, cheap af.
>>54281511
It's such a shame that you actually know what you're talking to, I really don't want to take you seriously
>>54281513
I'm considering this , even though the U2412M is LED, I can have all those pixels and maybe a third monitor.
Are the tablets any good/do they have decent linux driver support?
I'm thinking of getting a t60/61 as a backup/beater in case I break my current laptop or have to toss something in a sack and gtfo. But I've always been interested in digitized sketching/note taking so the temptation is there.
I'm mainly looking for absolute rock-solid linux support, I am sick to death of audio and display bugs and want something that "just werks"
>>54279904
I was mowing a lawn. I hope you're still here!
The UI (ie charms and start screen, + most windows menus) on win8.1pro is as fast and fluid as I've ever seen it, so the atom has no struggles there...
When I first received it, the reseller did a factory reset. The T2 shipped with win8 pro, and I guess there was a free upgrade to win 8.1.
I had to manually install some drivers
>does anyone have a guide on the best order to install drivers (eg 1. Intel chipset 2. Intel management 3. Disk 4. Wifi, etc)
I had to check and install windows updates over the course of 2 months.
>i had auto update off, so that I could choose updates. Idk if this prevented windows from putting all of the most recent updates first
I can't install multiple windows updates at the same time without them failing (the windows updates under "optional updates"
Before I got to a certain point in the updates (or maybe it had to do with me reinstalling some drivers), this computer literally would not load gmail in chrome.
Now it's runs pretty decent. I can run excel, 5 tabs in IE, my RDC client, and watch YouTube fairly seamlessly.
>This thing will not stream 1080p without stuttering.
You might be able to tweak it to run 1080p fluidly. It films video in 1080p (does a decent job too), so if you have the Chinese cartoons on your microSD, it might work well.
720p streams shouldn't be a problem after updates and configuration.
>If anybody has some insight on how to optimize performance on win8.1 tablets, plz share
This is a savior for school. If you have a VM you can remote into ( team viewer, RDC, splashtop), this thing is incredible.
>ThinkPad Tablet 2 is 10x better as a workstation terminal, than it is a media device.
Skype video should work pretty well though. The camera was a nice suprise
>>54281238
>>54281267
I'll try to find what the cheapest ThinkPad with a resolution of 1080p is and consider that. Is there any reason to get one of the newer ThinkPads over something like the XPS anyway? The only categories that something like the X260 does better than the XPS is keyboard, trackpoint and ports but none of those things are as good as they used to be anyway.
>>54281303
I already use an external monitor at home but I just feel pretty handicapped trying to get anything done when I'm not at home.
>>54281511
>>54281326
>>54281303
>>54281238
>>54281151
>>54281030
>>54280993
Is anything over 1080p on a laptop just overkill or should I be considering it?
>>54278937
>>54278662
>>54277635
I love the keyboard with low profile bezel. I looked into other tablet/Bluetooth keyboards with a pointstick/cliborous/trackpoint
>sony ps3 UK Bluetooth keyboard
>thinkpad Bluetooth Keyboard
>I think I came across a Motorola keyboard
>the Thinkpad Tablet 2 keyboard
These were the only similar keyboards I could find. The formfactor is so fucking good. it's a shame that the masses don't know how to touch the cliborous...
Just picked this up to replace a TON of parts on my otherwise fully functional and awesome T60.
Would it be easier to just replace the HDD with my SSD, reload the OS, and roll with any other cosmetic changes, or replace what all's wrong with my current T60?
There are a ton of case cracks, and I have reason to believe the CPU thermal paste is compromised.
Is there any easy way to fix the hinge mechanism trying to split apart the lid?
I bit, guys. My Latitude E6400 will be here between the 4th and 9th.
Who else is waiting on some gud shit?
>>54281856
All my gud shit got here this week. Just a few addons for my T420 (9 cell and 90w charger). All I'm waiting on is a PS/2 to usb adapter for my trackpoint keyboard.
>>54281856
Nice man, I hope you digg it.
>>54281830
defiantly SSD swap would be easier but would it still be your T60 at that point. I have always held the opinion that the mobo is the computer and if you change that you have a new computer. Personally i would do the case swap.
>>54281913
I wasn't clear. I have an SSD in my T60. My T60 is the one with the cosmetic issues, and I believe the thermal paste is compromised in my T60.
I'm not sure about anything other than the missing HDD on the new one.
>>54281856
Post a pic when it comes, I wanna see this thing.
>>54281904
I'm hoping so. My mom had a D630 as her work laptop when I was a littler kid and I dug the shit out of that thing- wanted one for myself.
We got a dogshit Inspiron 1525 instead.
FML.
>>54281856
Whats the x220 or t420 equivalent of these? Any with a trackpoint?
>>54281945
I get that, what im saying is that you if just put your SSD in the new T60 its no longer the same computer. Its the easy option but from my perspective if you want to keep your T60 you should do the case swap and replace the thermal paste, that way it looks nicer but it still the same board/cpu
What's the best shitposting/programming machine I can get at $300? I'm planning on getting a refurb T420
>>54282043
$300 will get you a beast of a T420.
>>54282029
I see now. I have some spare paste from a build laying around somewhere. Will try that first.
>>54281848
Yikes
>>54282043
Thats prob your best bet, or a lower end t/w520
420s guy here.
Okay so my trackpoint is definitely dragging to the left some on it's own. Is there something I can do to fix this?
>>54281830
I got one of those too, can't wait for it to get in
>t420s
>win 7
>i7-2.8
>1tb ssd (samsung evo)
>8gig ram
Is there anything else i could do to this son of a bitch laptop? Really fun typing on it too. i'll try and keep this computer for the rest of my life. The only bad part is that i can't upgrade to win 10, it fails every single time.
>>54282169
Get 16 GB of ram and be the bees knees.
>>54282233
Where can I download this?
>>54282257
http://downloadmoreram.com/
Good site, got mine from there.
>>54282268
thanks senpai
>>54282268
>>54282346
Is replacing the optical drive in the t420 with a hard drive caddy relatively easy? I was looking for a guide on how to do it but can't seem to find it in the links in the OP.
>>54282365
Yes. all you need is a $9 adapter on ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultrabay-SATA-2nd-HD-Hard-Drive-Caddy-Tray-Lenovo-ThinkPad-T420i-T510-W510-T520-/300675409367?hash=item4601a6a5d7:g:ZzQAAOxyzqdTeaoT
>>54281830
Rebuild it from the case-up, swap the best parts in. Repaste, clean the fan, etc. It's very satisfying once you're done.
Use the old/broken parts to build a bastard machine for testing stuff, installing Gentoo, a small server, or give it to your wife's son.
>>54282391
Have you personally used these $9 ones? Heard some of them don't work, results on google keep saying to buy the $40 one.
>>54282427
I bought that exact one (from that retailer at least) and it worked when i was transferring shit off my other laptops drive.
>>54282439
Aight cool, is it pretty seamless? Like same color, perfect fit? Sorry for the dumb questions.
>>54282352
She's cute!!!
Are there any Thinkpads to watch out for in terms of screen brightness? My current computer (acer extensa 5620) is too dark for me even at max brightness, and I wanted to make sure I wouldn't end up in the same spot since it's hard to test for this when buying online.
>>54282551
Its a bit shinier and catches on the way in/out, but thats probably just because of when i took it apart to cover the yellow led.
>>54282417
I'll have to dig around for some T60 tuts, but that does sound like fun.
I'm the kind of guy that ends up with a dozen unused screws by the time everything's back together. I don't wanna do that again.
>>54282647
Different anon here
So, the thinkpad that I'm waiting for will have a 512GB SSD already installed, but I want more space. I know that I should install the OS onto the SSD, but what should I put on the second HDD? Media is obvious, but would certain software benefit from being installed on the HDD, because of the limited read/write cycles and rapid software updates?
On a side-note, what HDD size would you recommend for someone who insists on keeping a copy of their ENTIRE media library on every computer, and compulsively downloads chinese cartoons, but never watches them?
>>54278868
Add the slice battery
>>54281382
>t420
>good screen res
The screen itself is really shit otherwise, unless you drop in a screen from an X1 Carbon
>>54281728
I believe so. Even 1080p seems a bit extreme for 14 inch I think
I hate display scaling in any form too, so I see no reason for bigger resolutions
>>54281830
Should have got a T61 to replace the guts with instead to build the t601f
>>54282843
>because of the limited read/write cycles and rapid software updates?
You're not going to run into this for 5 years minimum, and that's only if you're writing whole terabytes of shit daily
Put OS and programs and maybe vidya on your SSD, everything else on the spinning rust
>>54282843
>because of the limited read/write
There's no read limit.
>what HDD size would you recommend for someone who insists on keeping a copy of their ENTIRE media library on every computer, and compulsively downloads chinese cartoons, but never watches them
A home server you can access remotely.
>>54282931
He would have needed to start with a 4:3 15" T60. I assume he bought an identical model to replace parts from the original T60, and that one pictured is a 14.1".
>>54283084
You can Frankenpad with a 14" T60, there's just not a major benefit to it since it doesn't have a Flexview screen.
I'm thinking of getting a dock for my X220. What should I be looking for?
>>54283105
That's sort of the point. Otherwise why not just buy a 14.1" T61 and leave it as is?
>>54283138
get the mini dock plus and be happy with it.
>>54281535
You don't have to take me seriously (:
Was it the comment about the serial port? There was an ultrabay made specifically for the T60 & T61. Its the third connector on the motherboard.
>>54281728
I haven't tried 2K or 3K on a 14" screen yet.
I mean... my eyes sometimes hurt on the Chromebook Pixel.
But on the X1C3 it was too much.. way too much, maybe if it was a 15" screen it might not, if it was a 16" then it probably would be fine.
I think 2K may be the sweet spot, idk.
Going back to Uni this year for Information Systems. I had a 17" HP laptop that I was a retard bought and couldn't take to class due to size on our tiny desks.
Thinking about getting a T430 for class. I don't need anything very powerful since I have a dedicated desktop but need something decent with papers and carrying to class.
>>54283326
Get a T420, homie, it'll look cooler, be cheaper, and do your uni work.
>>54283221
What's with all the different kinds of docks? What's the ultrabase?
>>54283434
some docks are newer and have more up to date IO, mini dock plus is just one of the new ones
>>54273079
Avoid them like cancer. Not only the keyboard is shit but the track point is like using a banana to open a cardboard box. Get a ThinkPad. Did i mention they get BSOD every day?
>>54283359
t430 looks exactly the same outside of the keyboard (which can now be replaced with a t420, so a t430 can literally be a t420 with better specs)
>>54272994
Is it the E6410 i5 with a 1440x900 matte screen a good buy?
A friend of mine needs this for shitposting, watching series and using Reaper with an external soundcard that uses firewire.
getting a t61, what CPU should I look for?
>>54273709
Where the fuck did you hear this, m8
Don't believe everything you read on the internet, see on the news, hear from a friend, etc.
>>54283779
a gud one
literally google t61, first result, scroll down like 5 lines to processor
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=t61
>>54283746
Yes, the Arrandales are still very usable for media consumption and capturing
>>54283855
yeah I guess he won't have problems he was using an old VAIO with a core2duo, problem is that now is fried and I was looking something somewhat cheap but better built that filled the same purpose.
They look like a tank and they have Firewire 400, so he can keep recording stuff.
Any reccomendation or things to look for on the Latitudes?
>>54283961
Get one with a Quadro, as well as the 1440x900 screen, and you'll be set.
>>54283998
Thanks man, I'll keep an eye on that too.
>/g/ raves about thinkpads
>they all use 1366x768 displays
epic
Just got a T430 i5 4GB with SSD for $250, very happy with its snappiness.
What upgrades should I be looking to first?
>>54284018
>screens are the only thing to look at when buying a laptop
epic
>>54284067
>the one thing you'll always be looking at is not important
>>54284018
>/g/ raves about 5 year old computers that cost between 150~300 bucks that are welt built and are serviceable
>the 13" and some of the cheaper ones have 1366x768 displays
>using the word epic after trying to be an obnoxious little cunt
is this the only board where you fail miserably every time you post?
>>54284090
>not being tech-savvy enough to upgrade your computer
Step it up senpai
>>54284018
Only the x220 has that, most thinkpad memers use a t420 which is 1600x900
>>54284018
Nah.
>>54284141
>T601F
Anyone use the tablets for drawing? How's the battery life?
>>54281848
Had this issue with almost every laptop I've owned, is it something I'm accidentally fucking up?
>>54273322
the 1st gen quadcores arent that good
an ivy bridge dualcore probably easily out performs it.
>>54281728
On anything 15.6 or below? yeah, it'd be overkill to go above 1080p.
Which means more than 1080p is useless, because nobody buys 17 inch laptops anymore.
>>54281970
i have the fullsized keyboard one 6450 or whatever and the guy kept it docked and closed so the lcd has never been used. looks really nice and sooo clean with no dust.
>>54284508
Not sure, I've only had it for ~15 months. Never dropped it or anything, though the cheap rubbery shit on the lid is wearing off quite a bit.
It is at least possible to pinch it so something audibly snaps back into place, but still disconcerting.
Can the older docks be refitted with USB3 ports?
>>54284760
even if you did i dont think you would get usb 3.0 speeds
>>54280128
Godspeed anon. I want to do this after the screen replacement.
>tfw the vga port on my dock has static af signal
Its not noticiable usually, but it still sucks.
>waiting for my displayport to dvi cable to arrive
>>54281856
>>54281970
I already own a T420 and a W520 and the Dellfags are really starting to make me want an E6400. When will it stop?
Also I'm actually curious if there's any real benefit to owning this, alongside my other two. I just want it because it looks so goddamn sexy.
>>54282043
You will love the T420.
>>54282129
Take the trackpoint off and see if the rubber on it is cracked. Replace if needed.
Also be sure that your palm isn't touching the trackpad while you use it. It's intentionally small enough so you shouldn't have this issue, but everyone uses their laptop differently. Change your habits or disable it in BIOS if this is the case.
>>54285345
E6400s can actually playback HD video smoothly if you have a Quadro NVS 160, it is a very good alternative to something like an iPad, is cheap, and runs Windows, Linux, whatever you want.
>>54284098
Only the original X1 had 720p shit display, X300 had WXGA+ and 600 was XGA...
>>54284508
Maybe the way you open it has to do with it...
Are you opening with one hand or two?
>>54285345
Its a more durable machine, plus dat backlit keyboard option.
DDR2 RAM a downer though
>>54281848
>>54284634
Great time for the black duct tape to go missing
>>54285899
>Chinkpad quality
>Got a X120e
>Added 8 GB ram
>Plan on adding SSD
What else can I do to make this shitbox fly faster?
It doesn't need it, I just want to make it go stupidly fast
>>54285938
>What else can I do to make this shitbox fly faster?
buy a mac
T420, X220 or slightly more for W520?
Main uses include autocad, console emulation and chinese cartoons,
>>54284760
It's not in the connections. So even if you got a boatload of hardware, you probably won't be able to get the bandwidth anyway unless you knew how and which pins on the docking connectors handle the PCIe signals -> and/or pissed around with that one ThinkPad dock which had a PCIe slot
>>54285938
I suggest taping fireworks to it
>>54286425
If a W520 is on the tables, might as well just go for it. It's a segment above the X220 and T420
Although if you ignore that for a moment, X220 to T420 is purely size vs working space (unless you get the 1366x768 T420 then you're fucked) and maybe panel quality vs resolution (IPS X220 vs 1600x900 T420). Battery life is somewhat similar
Hello /g/entoomen, im looking at picking up my first thinkpad, but cant decide between the t410 and t420. The t420's that are available on aussie ebay go for around $300, whereas t410's tend to go for around $200, im on a budget and will probably not use it for much, other than web browsing and possibly running a couple of VMs, as my desktop does most of the grunt work around here, so Is the t420 worth me paying the extra $100, or should the t410 be fine
>>54286455
Money saved from getting X2_0 or T420 instead would be used on upgrading. Is the difference between them and W great enough not to consider the two?
>>54286494
>$300
>for T420
what a rip off, you could buy an i7 8b T430 for that price
>>54286552
Yeah, Australia sucks, $300 AUD is $230 USD though, $200 AUD is $150 USD. most of the thinkpads on aussie ebay already have ssds, so i dunno if that makes the deals any better
>>54286552
i7 8gb T430 for that price? More like ~450-500 USD mate
I just dug up an old T43. Battery and HDD need replacing.
>are there non-genuine battery packs that are decent quality, or is it all Chinese garbage?
>does the HDD have to be a genuine replacement part, or is it possible to get one from a reputable HDD manufacturer without compatibility issues?
>>54272994
I need a 14" laptop with 8GB of RAM and okayish cpu for programming. What price range should I look into? What models?
>>54286425
>autocad
W520.
Failing that a T420 with an Nvidia GPU
>>54286455
There's no x220 with a dGPU as far as I know, while the t420 can have one, and the w520 can have a Quadro
Latest and greatest x1 Carbon or latest and greatest T460s?
>>54273008
where can I get the one on the right? i can only find the middle one on ebay
>>54287940
T460
Ultrabooks are a meme
>>54287983
Search classic dome trackpoint
>>54286494
I suggest you keep waiting for a T420. I bought mine from Gumtree for $250 and it was an i7, 8GB RAM and an SSD. The poor screen though. Indian guy said it was his family computer and was in absolutely perfect condition. He even said the keyboard was replaced. He was selling because he now has an X1 Carbon. I feel like it was an absolute steal.
>>54287940
T460p you can get a quadcore and 2k display at a lower price than a 2core i7 1080p T460. It's only .13 of an inch thicker.
