Like, what are the main aspects tech companies look for in the 21 year olds like me.
Languages? OS? Software?
If you're posting on 4chan; you're essentially unemployable.
They don't want white people, they're too expensive.
Pajeet can do the bare minimum for minimum wage with no benefits.
>>54267018
If you find a decent company, probably a relatively small one, they'll prefer to hire a person who speaks english over someone who is barely able to.
High GPA (3.5 out of 4 works, 3 isn't enough for the average genders/races) or magical 2 years work experience that magically didn't disrupt your studies, all the skills/tech so they don't have to train you to do your own job, someone who fills the diversity requirements so no one can launch a twitter campaign and female if they do have to train them the lead engineer can get some boners leaning over her helping her with code.
If you're male, aren't a minority race, don't have lots of experience, GPA under 3.5 (even 3.1/3.2 isn't enough)... Get content being a "support" or call center guy because it's as far as you're going to get in tech.
Basically, STEM HR is about as left wing as you can get. There are more articles and initiatives promoting redistribution of opportunities in STEM than anything else.
>>54266993
Only for high security jobs where they checked your internet history.
>>54267018
Then why do they hire foreigners for the same cost when the job's just be local? No, it's a racial/white privilege thing. It's not because whites cost too much, or else they'd outsource, it's that their HR woman took a sociology course and thinks she's making the world a better place by keeping the white man unemployed.
>>54266993
> tfw no company is looking for socially retarded autistic neets
hold me bros
>>54267462
You're pretty much the stereotype that's everywhere in STEM and you're the reason why white workers were discriminated against in the first place. The only "why" to STEM instead of law or accounting or any other male dominated field can be found in the stereotypes women dislike and the stereotypes commonly associated to STEM. It's why the only justification they have to give to themselves is "think about all those white male engineers" and the image is almost as good as a trans-feminism intersectional meeting. It's just as disliked from an average woman's perspective.
Basically, you can't get a job because feminists dislike you. I can't get a job because feminists think I'm like you.
Tldr, stop being autistic, raise your social skills, even stop describing yourself as autistic. Your self pity helps nothing.
>>54267333
Don't listen to this person. They believe way too much of what they see on the Internet. For example, where I live, about half of the CS students have some kind of paid internship. People really like to say there are no jobs out there, but it's so easy to get real dev jobs even if your GPA isn't that great. Just show that you are competent and passionate about software development and you should be fine.
>>54266993
Can unconfirm - Shitpost and get paid by a real company to program!
>>54266977
Depends what the fuck you're going for
If you're going to a ASP.net or otherwise microsoft house
While nice, your experience in running Plan 9 and coding in Brainfuck will absolutely not help you (unless you're employed by /g/'s finest)
Know whatever it is you're going for - if you don't know what you're going for, look for jobs around you and learn that tech - Also knowing other related tech is helpful
Also - Projects:
I don't care if it's stupid
I don't care if you make it or worked with a drunk roomie
if you work on implementing an idea and even if you don't finish it, although finishing is big plus, it shows very well on your skills
because that project not only shows experience - it shows commitment, it shows work ethic, it shows you working in your field so that even if you were a fucking janitor that coded after work, when you come to work they can see you did coding things
because walking in to a programming job that says "Looking for advanced Web developers" (Doesn't have to be web, web is the latest meme so i'm going with it)
and giving a resume that says: "I cleaned the shitters at the local stadium"
Also don't be afraid to talk about yourself - don't be overconfident:
>Ever use <tech>?
whats that: - Don't mention it you fucking retard-
Once or twice - I can get around
more than that - I'm confident i can do quality work with it
more than that - I'm well versed
Don't ever come off as an expert unless you're without a hair of a doubt - are. don't say you know things you don't know - that's how bad code is written or bad work is done.
I know you said tech, i only program, but you can apply these things to other tech fields
Also - don't be a retard
And if you're on stackoverflow 90% of the day at work - you really need to fucking evaluate your career choices - Nobody wants a shitty copy-paster
I have no idea. I have a CS degree, a github with several projects in languages like Python, Java, and JavaScript, and I still can't seem to get a programming job. I send my resume and I usually get a rejection email or no response back. The job market locally is just shit, they seem to rather prefer outsourcing to India then hire someone like me. So I usually just apply to places on the west coast, but they don't want me.
>>54267574
Where I live you're not allowed to graduate any engineering degree without first doing an internship, this greatly increases the number of students looking for internships and thus greatly increases the ability for intern hirers to be picky. For whatever reason, whenever people hire young people they do so for diversity.
You actually accuse me of having no real life experience? Then why was every internship advertised at my uni for women or minorities? Why was there not a single opportunity advertised open to people who don't meet diversity requirements?
Also,
>Just show that you are competent and passionate about software development and you should be fine.
Literally proven not to have competed in the graduate job market, I seriously need to know your age (gen x never believes us about identity politics and youth unemployment) and if you've graduated with a degree.
Sometimes showing too much passion will mean you're not a "cultural" fit, they basically think you're a boring person, plenty of (female) developers are actually intimidated by developers who actually enjoy their job. Sometimes showing too much competence isn't a good idea either, especially if they're filling diversity positions they'll just assume you can get a job "easy" somewhere else... And that somewhere else will also assume you're competent enough to get a job somewhere else.
No, anon, unless you live in Tennessee or Germany, no one gets a good STEM job easily. Take your naive ideas and your complete lack of experience applying for jobs elsewhere.
BTW, I've spent 3 years applying for every junior and graduate job. I have a 3.1 gpa, two degrees, FOSS projects with an actual user base and my name rarely gets me shortlisted for interviews.
Last reminder, it's the HR woman, usually with a sociology degree, who decides who gets shortlisted. Do you actually deny that sociology isn't teaching Marxist spun racism?
This blue pulled cunt... Reee
>>54267688
Location?
>>54267729
>Location?
Miami
>>54266977
A vagina
Someone who's not autistic. They can teach you how to do the job as long as you have a few basics, they can't teach you how to behave properly.
>Languages
African-american vernacular english, hindi, java, javascript, html, css, python
>OS
Windows or OS X, Linux has too many people that actually see how dark the path the software industry treads is
>Software
The shittiest and most bloated, as long as it has pretty animations. It's the same kind they want you to make.
>>54267729
>muh /pol/ conspiracy theories
The Jews are the reason I'm not a winner
>>54267785
Yeah, a little left wing and no real STEM industry. Don't feel bad bro, I've heard there's lots of STEM jobs more inland in America since the cost of living is cheaper and therefore so are the wages.
I think at this stage we have to realise the market is over saturated with specialists in all fields but without the will or leverage to create jobs for them. I think we should all ask for lower wages and set our standards lower (without moving us away from that perfect lead developer role).
>>54267928
The role of social skills will always be greatly overplayed when you remember that most work is coding, documenting, testing and planning, all of which except the last are relatively solitary activities.
Actually, before third wave feminism engineers weren't expected to be socialites. See how they create this need for social skills to justify hiring women when women engineers aren't necessarily more social than male engineers?
>>54267998
holy fuck altrights LITERALLY are the most delusional sacks of shit in this country
>>54267998
I think I might try expanding my search to Texas, maybe I will have better luck.
>>54266977
>main aspects tech companies look for in the 21 year olds like me.
>tech companies
>21 year olds like me
Ok kiddo, you're too young to be an engineer. So you'd likely be an operator or a code monkey.
What difference would the name of the company make for a low position?
>inb4, you bullshit about being some sort of genius or smart guy
if you were, why would you ask for 4chan's opinion?
>>54268043
Good luck man, hope you make it.
BTW to all the non posters who think I'm too doom and gloom, there are companies out there small enough to hire grads without diversity. The thing is when these companies grow they start looking for that diversity and by the time they're massive diversity finds them via their hiring section taking off with a life of its own and hiring all the sociology grads, instead of making the lead engineer and his assistant do the hiring back in the 6 person startup days. If you're simply gotgud, you're more likely to appeal to an engineer than to a HR woman who can only remember SJW TLAs.
Yeah, there are jobs for you, but remember even at this startup you're still competing with the 300 grads a year that will also apply. Whilst debt has a bad name there's not a lot of leverage or investment to create these small businesses and give you jobs, so it's still 10 applicants for 1 role. It's not just extreme leftism causing youth unemployment, it's right wing banker appeasement as well. The combination is what makes it particularly nasty.
And to the cuck who labelled me as alt right and thinks that's good enough reason to dismiss me as delusional, you're not deserving of a (you). Go fuck yourself to MTV decoded.
>>54268065
4channers are best described as under performing geniuses. There are a lot of genuinely intelligent people here.
>>54268124
>4channers are best described as under performing geniuses.
Kek. It's like redditors circlejerking pretending they have a high IQ userbase. Don't be pretentious.
>There are a lot of genuinely intelligent people here.
I don't think there is a lot. There are indeed /g/ posters with real technical knowledge and willing to share it with / help other anons, but it rarely happens outside /flt/ and /dpt/ from my experience.
The majority of /g/ is wannabe skiddies who "want to learn how to hack", /v/ posters, pajeets, "lol I was pretending to be a retard to troll you" people and mere (assumed) consumerism.
>>54266977
Overall it depends on what you can give them, but generally you're going to need to satisfy two types of people. HR who knows nothing of the industry, just looking for buzzwords and other checklist items (degree, diversity, x years of experience.) And then the people you'll actually be working with who want to see evidence that you can actually do the job and not make their lives miserable. The latter are often looking for transferrable skills, intelligence, communication, the ability to work without being hand held.
You can demonstrate these attributes in a lot of ways, and it depends on what your interests are. My sweet spot is personal projects, a blog, and being active in the local dev community. I'm young and don't have a degree though, so I've given up on looking good to HR and instead depend on meeting the people making the final decision and letting them shortlist me.
Also, weird niche skills can be really attractive. That's just a matter of pursuing what's interesting to you most of the time. You never know when it will come in handy and who's desperately looking for something off the wall.
>>54268201
Yes the regulars keep to the generals. BTW dpt is dense compared to the helpful posters on wdg. Dpt is like, help me with my first year uni assignment. Wdg is like, help me with my first real programming job.
Different grade of answerers in my opinion.
BTW if you lurk /pol/ long enough and ignore the memesters, there are also intelligent people there. Same with /sci/ if you ignore their idiots as well. Whether you like it or not (somewhere on) 4chan is where the young geniuses hang out even if they're constantly surrounded by idiots
And yeah, lurking here can hurt your job prospects. It's a new thing where governments/secure places don't actually want to hire the best candidate because they're scared of them. They're the ones who know how to "hack" or more appropriately how to hide backdoors in code.
There's a cuck on /g/ in the same shit I am that wrote a library that could make a network backdoor in one or two lines of code that responded so fast it wouldn't be noticed by a resource manager. Baka, just screams someone no one should trust.
>>54268240
Last job I interviewed for, they were more interested in whether or not I'd get along with these people than whether or not I could do the job. I think I was interviewed by potential co-workers, that part really boiled down to some Asian guy who probably didn't want to work with another white guy.
The thing is all these diversity politics enables racism in others. When most people in STEM are actually beta Asians, ask yourself exactly how Asian people view white people.
BTW
>I've given up on looking good to HR and instead depend on meeting the people making the final decision and letting them shortlist me.
So basically you're resorting to nepotism?
Sure bro, just remember not all of us are privileged with those connections. The rest of us are in the ranks with HR and writing on the resume that I'm active in the /g/ programming community would not help me get a job.
You sound like a cuck too.
Youth and indoctrination.
>>54268288
you need to come to reality my man. there are no SJW boogeymen out to get you
>>54267574
I agree. I'm a first year computer engineering student, pretty much don't know shit about programming and I just got a job as a web developer/designer. I was hired because I was smart/competent and showed interest in the line of work. It really isn't that hard
>>54268307
I'm not saying boogey man, I'm saying if you're not getting shortlisted, or if you are it's only ever by men, that maybe you're experiencing the effects of some of the things they teach sociology students, who go on to get HR jobs.
I'm not saying this is organised, in fact I believe the real "boogeyman" is simply the SJW shit they teach at universities is. It is provably racist.
BTW so do 50,000 people: https://www.change.org/p/universities-suspend-social-justice-in-universities
>>54267729
I haven't personally seen an advertisements that explicitly discriminate, but every advertisement always says "women are encouraged to apply" or some bullshit
>>54268343
During my design lecture (bs lectures that were just updates on when things were due) two women came in to the theatre and talked about a internship, after they were done they said it was only open to women and the other chimed in and said local women.
They literally looked around the room and got nervous as fuck because if the women there weren't east Asian, they had hijabs or were consistently darker skin than those who did.
Because diversity hiring is fucking ridiculous if you still sane enough to keep a thread of healthy nationalism (too much being actual Nazi shit), and I'm sorry but local women do not enjoy STEM and generally don't do well at it due to that lower dopamine rush from enjoying to learn about it.
Dunno bro, this is just my 0.02$. I'm noticing some shit and it's resonating with what everyone else is saying, I really have observation on my side. It's an empiricists thing.
I don't think women should be expected or persuaded into STEM degrees anymore.
>"women are encouraged to apply" or some bullshit
You think that might be for legal reasons?
>>54268288
>So basically you're resorting to nepotism?
>implying I have family ties that could get me a decent job
>Sure bro, just remember not all of us are privileged with those connections.
privilege my ass. It's called networking, you dunce. Most working professionals do it. I didn't just magically start with connections. I got involved in the local dev community, got to know a bunch of people, and some of those people thought I'd be a good fit for their company. It's not some evil witchcraft that only belongs to rich white men. It's just talking to people.
>You sound like a cuck too.
now you're just projecting
>>54268499
Most people agree networking is best when you're inside the industry, it fairly never works for grads. I think you're over relying on you're "social skills" to get a job.
BTW there is no local dev community outside of universities. Congratulations, you're that kid that writes the clubs he joined at university, do you also include joining the gay meet up club on there too?
Sorry dude, you do sound like a cuck. Keep "talking" to those people.
>>54266977
money
>>54268499
>"decent"
Fucking milennials. Just take a shit job. Quit it when you see an opportunity elsewhere.
>>54268201
If anyone here had a high IQ score, years of high speed shitposting has destroyed it.
>>54268124
>under performing geniuses
you mean lazy geniuses
>>54267203
>racism
>decent
>>54266993
\thread
>>54269198
There are plenty of job opportunities, I find something real and not a recruitment agency about once a week. The thing is I never get callbacks and rarely get shortlisted, but when I do... Let's say I notice a trend.
I find the graduate and junior jobs in my field.
>>54267333
>magical 2 years work experience that magically didn't disrupt your studies
it's called a summer internship, but I guess you wouldn't know this if you didn't make an contacts
>>54270070
Referrals only work if you can get a referral from somewhere, no other tech company to get a referral from means you're on par to the guy who used his uncle who owns the newsagents.
BTW I'm not American and this city is notably left wing. No, really, honestly, it's gender and racial discrimination.
>>54270332
Only gives you 3 months at best.
No one cares about experience unless it's years. That's the magical thing about expecting experience from graduates, how could they have possibly been eager to hire someone spending most of their time at uni during the student's second or third year? Of course not, that's a stupid thing to expect.
Again, it honestly depends on town to town how bad this is.
>>54266977
Mostly they just wanna make sure you aren't a white dude
>>54270433
>Referrals only work if you can get a referral from somewhere, no other tech company to get a referral from means you're on par to the guy who used his uncle who owns the newsagents.
>BTW I'm not American and this city is notably left wing. No, really, honestly, it's gender and racial discrimination.
Lol I deleted the post you replied to, but got too lazy to rewrite it
By referral, I mean a friend who already works at company X referring you to that company. Basically it ensures that your resume gets looked at and helps in getting an interview. It's the easiest way for people with mediocre resumes to get interviews at American tech companies.
I wish you mentioned the non-American thing earlier. The software engineering job market in the US is pretty different than elsewhere. Writing another post now though I need to sleep...
>>54266977
They look for culture fit, "passion" and some examples of your work. Read https://news.ycombinator.com/jobs
>>54268325
This.
>>54266977
minimum 25 years experience in the industry
>>54267574
This matches my experience in the US.
white male, 3.0 GPA, CS major at average state school (albeit on the west coast and close to huge number of tech companies), had no issues getting multiple internships during uni, and got multiple full time job offers during senior year. My peers have done quite well too, including the dumber ones.
>>54267688
Keep applying to those west coast companies. And to any area where software engineering jobs are common. E.g. the bay area, LA, Seattle, Portland, NYC, Austin, Boston, DC, and Raleigh come to mind. Big companies will fly you out for final rounds of interviewing, and smaller companies will use skype. Basically be open to relocating. If you want to avoid bay area suburbs, Seattle is second best for job availability.
If your resume isn't great, you also need to apply to a huge number of companies. It's actually not unreasonable to apply to 50+ companies/week if you have a low response rate.
Also networking is very helpful, even for college students and new grads. The quickest/easiest way to get an interview is through a referral. You don't need to be close friends with someone to ask for a referral either; if you're just acquaintances and they don't think you're an idiot, they'll probably refer you. Most big companies have a flexible referral system where there's little consequence for referring unqualified candidates, but a sizeable referral bonus if the candidate gets hired.
>>54266977
Tight vagina and the ability to turn things on and off again aka {problem solving }
>>54266993
>all this autism in this thread
No wonder you fucks cant get hired
>>54271318
>Self employed
Can you dig it?
Here's the how to vid https://youtu.be/lF3eF3cDxM4
>>54267688
Probably because you're an autist
>>54270947
>i cant find a job despite having a degree and experience and a portfolio
>ameritard solution: move to some shithole on the other side of the continent and keep applying
wut
>>54272063
>i cant find a job despite having a degree and experience and a portfolio
>So I usually just apply to places on the west coast, but they don't want me.
>>54267688 is clearly open to moving.
Also never move before finding the job
