>Linux turning into FreeDesktopOS
>OS X turning into iOS
>FreeBSD turning into Linux
>OpenBSD still chugging along and doing its own thing, progressively enhancing while not fixing what ain't broke
What makes these chucklefucks so different from all the other *nix development teams?
>>54247854
>Linux turning into FreeDesktopOS
Not gentoo
Meanwhile I continue to treat technology the same i did in 2007. By using nothing but a T42 with Windows XP playing OSRS all day.
Sometimes I feel left out, other times I think that maybe staying in one "spot" of sorts is the best option.
>>54247854
freebsd is removing gnu cancertools. if anything its becoming a better osx for serious nondesktop use. theres a reason it gets all the professional and enterprise backchannel support.
2/10 bait made me reply
>>54247854
whose hand is that?!?
>>54248037
The world may never know.
>>54247854
meanwhile, GuixSD is paving the way towards the bright beautiful future none of you faggots even deserve
>>54248084
>unabashedly advertises itself as the emacs of distros
fucking dropped
>>54248138
>unabashedly advertising that you are so retarded as to not see emacs as they greatest computing paradigm achievement of all time
OpenBSD hasn't had hardly any drastic changes in 15+ years. Seriously, just try an old version and it will have the exact same file system, GUI, installer, etc. Meanwhile a Linux or FreeBSD version from the same time period is completely different.
>>54248152
Emacs Lisp isn't the worst Lisp of all time (that title probably belongs to some moron PhD student's pet project), but it is the worst to ever be taken seriously.
>>54248037
pepe's
>>54248084
>doesn't even have an ISO image
great distro
>any distro
>no enterprise level support
>useful as anything more than individual basement browsing machines
>>54247854
Run by real niggas who just don't give a fuck
SUN is dead so why should I care about anything ever again.
>>54248806
Because Java and SunOS/Solaris were the worst things to happen to Unix since Berkeley.
>>54249121
>worst
Yeah okay.
>>54248037
The FBI's.
>>54248702
>no enterprise level support
what is red hat?
>>54249121
>SunOS was BSD
>Solaris was AT&T (literally)
I guess you just don't like Unix.
>No journaling
>No good filesystems at all
>"A little sense is better than a lot of security"
>mostly exists as a project that shits out software other OSes use
>>54248138
That's not too bad
The vim of distros would be a nightmare with unused legacy code everywhere, but with a small resulting installation because all of the crap would be automatically trimmed out. However, significant improvements would be rare and limited because of all that cruft, which the maintainer would insist on keeping. It would support modern features (as in good ideas that were had fairly recently, not novelty crap that's not even good), but would keep them disabled by default so it would remain compatible with linux systems from the early 90s. It would use a custom init that accepted scripts written in perl, python, ruby, and forth. Simple tasks would be overcomplicated and lengthy for all but experienced graybeards incapable of using anything else, but easier to describe on forums, giving people the false impression that using vim linux is the fastest way to use linux.
>>54248702
why do you use funnyjunk, nigeltheoutlaw?
why do you listen to nigger music, but pretend to be pol tier, nigeltheoutlaw?
>>54249296
this is you??? keks
having facebook and being on /g/
>>54249296
>projecting this hard
>being this new
>can't even find source
>>54248037
Theo's
>>54249328
>>54249296
Nobody wants to see your ugly face or vote up your posts on some shit site, fuck off.
>>54249329
Come on Nigel calling others new just proves your new here.
ITT: Nigel accuses someone else of being himself so he can get "so dude i saw you on /g/" messages on facebook
more like samefaggotry in denial
>>54249436
>>54249359
>>54249329
Does anyone here know if a W510 with an NVIDIA FX880M will be supported by OpenBSD's nv driver?
>TURNING INTO
>ING
*Ed.
Turned into.
>>54247861
Please tell me about how you don't need anything from freedesktop, not even eudev, and don't even use their X server
>>54247891
nothings changed though, so why would you bother to?
>>54249329
>>54250789
the symbol drawing is real in this one
>>54250553
>eudev
Don't use it.
>>54250937
What do you use?
>>54250789
Reported to the FBI for producing CP
>>54250553
Eudev isn't freedesktop
>>54247854
>>Linux turning into FreeDesktopOS
Please God have mercy
>>54247861
or slackware
>>54251031
A fork of FDO software without a sytsemdependency is still FDO software with FDO design
Tell me more about how you use devfs
Tell me more about how linux is a fucking unfinished and hackish mess without FDO's windowsy software
>>54251190
Systemd doesn't even use udev anymore, and it wasn't originally theirs either
>>54247891
>playing OSRS all day
Mah nigga
>>54249277
What's the Sublime of distros?
>Linux will only succeed with Android
>OS X will slowly stay where it is because Macfags
>FreeBSD will always be irrelevant on the desktop
>OpenBSD has worthwhile product differentiation despite management and developers being typical open source weirdos who don't get people
They focus on security and make it pretty airtight. A POSIX compliant system? Almost a joke these days, but IEEE will never die. If they focused on hardware and software support for a small subset of relevant things then I'm sure they would carve out a desktop niche. They seem to love IBM so maybe if they focused on Thinkpad drivers (HP/Dell as well if they're smart and make a hardware support database that looks like it was created in this decade) and making sure Firefox/OpenOffice/KDE/Chrome/Eclipse/etc work. HTML5 will make Flash support pointless, but it's still years away from replacing everything. If someone made a PC-BSD style installer then OpenBSD would really take off on the desktop especially if they make a "journalist/activist" distro with Tor, Pidgin with OTR, Thunderbird with OpenGPG and a few other important pieces of software (easy full disk encryption as default, Linux emulation included, option for live USB/CD/DVD/BD boot).
>>54249121
Yeah, SPARC is terrible and the JVM is useless.
>>54247854
What's all the hype about BSD for anyway? I don't use it, but I've heard it's secure. Still, back then nobody talked about it, it was a niche OS, now everybody raves about it so hard like it's the best thing ever.
>>54248007
500% buttblasted freebsd cuck
OpenBSD is compromised and has an NSA backdoor
>>54251753
>>54249121
fuck u solaris hatter
>>54249121
The only thing that sucks about Solaris is having to pay for the damn SRUs. Everything else works fine.
>>54251767
you do understand this way you can basically kill almost all discussion on Closed Source software as well.
>>54251785
Show me the CVEs or shut up
>>54251767
>he thinks NSA hasn't gotten their dick deep inside openbsd
Ok kid
>>54251666
BSD network stacks perform better than the Linux one.
>>54251808
>not believing everything you read on the internet means you're a child
>>54251823
>I need evidence to be sure the NSA has everything compromised
>>54251823
>everybody else's operating system is backdoored by NSA, except my sikrit club linux OS
Do you really believe this? If you do then linux users are way more gullible than I thought.
>>54251666
[insert anti-systemd rant here]
Seriously, though, after spending so long in the GNU pool, the simplistic elegance of the BSDs is breathtaking. So much bloated garbage conspicuously absent.
About a year ago, someone mentioned OpenBSD's man pages being beautiful. They were not kidding. It took me about two minutes looking through random man pages on their website to be convinced enough to try it out (and posting from it now).
>>54251838
>everything is compromised by the NSA
>you continue to use the internet through an ISP that may be compromised, Tor/VPN nodes that may be compromised, a web browser that may be compromised, libs and other software on your system that may have been compromised, hardware thats compromised, etc etc
>i am the overall authority of truth and not believing me means you're a child
>>54251868
Who are you quoting? I never even said that.
>>54251901
>implying I'm wrong
>implying I called you a child
Ok, I'm done with you kiddo
>>54251901
>I can put words in other people's mouths
>"No I didn't say that, that was totally not what I said
Nice backpedalling.
>>54251666
BSDs are a better suit for embedded projects thanks to their permissive licensing.
>>54251716
>100% 12 years old detected
Also, I realize that they might not have gotten to percentages yet at your school, but you cannot have more than 100% of a whole number.
>>54251901
your face is compromised by the nsa
>>54252161
>>54251946
>>54251927
ITT retards that can't read
>>54252642
ITT: One idiot who's mad
>>54247854
>using derivates of a 70's OS paradigm
>>54252720
>shitting on someone for criteria that literally every OS in use today falls into
wew
>>54252743
>everyone uses it
>so must be good
>>54252752
>100% of computers have this, so it must be awful
wew laddy
>>54252784
>defending faulty logic
>>54252809
>defending faultier logic
wewew ladal
>>54252821
But that's true.
>>54251967
The main benefit of open source is reverse engineering and coding work that other people have done. BSD lets you have that work for free and GNU makes it so you can't do anything except for free.
>>54253293
>except for free
as in freedom
>>54247854
>A fish with arm
Wat
>>54251462
ChromeOS
>>54251666
BSD is much closer to the original Unix tradition than Linux. I'm not saying that makes it better or worse, but it is a fact.
Consider Linux's cgroups -- definitely a solution to the problem. FreeBSD came up with jails to solve it. Jails are pretty sweet, and personally I think they integrate into the entire operating system a lot better than cgroups do. The feature feels at home and stable.
Another instance is systemd. FreeBSD has had the dependency problem solved. If you check out the FreeBSD internals, the init scripts are very well organized and easy to understand. Gnu + Linux faced a really serious problem with a lack of homogeny between init script styles -- I can't say that FreeBSD is in that position. Releases are slow, and just about every package integrates with the OS very nicely. Everything works the same way, the rule of least surprise is very honored.
If any of those things sound interesting to you, maybe you should try a BSD on a virtual machine.
>What makes these chucklefucks so different from all the other *nix development teams?
Sheer unadulterated arrogance.
>>54253547
and we have a better operating system as a result of it
>he fell for the openplacebo meme
The only thing openbsd does is play catchup. One minute it's "feature X is a security risk! We don't need it!" the next it's "look, we have feature X too! We're the first in the world to implement it! OpenBSD wins again!".
>>54253609
oh hey where were you for the last month?
still didn't chagne your bait? you even say "openplacebo" still
>>54253547
By that logic OS X shouldn't be shit.
>>54253619
>everyone who didn't fall for the meme is the same person
Found the rat!
>>54253625
you are the same person because every single one of your posts is always the same
soon you'll link to that troll blog post or talk about "m-muh MACs"
>>54253640
>peer-reviewed papers are trolling
>facts are trolling
>there are more than one argument but that's clearly impossible because openbsd is perfect therefore every argument is the same argument and despite even being valid in this strawman form it's invalid because openbsd is perfect and also openbsd is perfect
OK kid.
https://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/the-insecurity-of-openbsd/
http://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/software/bsd-mac-os-x-hurd-others/827435-openbsd-denies-opensmtpd-security-issues
"If I deny it, the security issue doesn't exist!"
http://www.cnet.com/news/report-of-fbi-back-door-roils-openbsd-community/
"We're secure, good goy! The FBI told us to tell you!"
And more in the archive, including peer-reviewed papers demonstrating that openplacebo's security model is retarded.
>>54253759
>he actually posted the exact blog i was talking about
see? i knew you were the same guy
>>54253815
you didn't really prove me wrong there
the fbi backdoor was also proven false many times
>>54253825
"If I pretend it doesn't exist, I'm sure reality will bend to my will!"
Just like with opensmtpd.
>>54253868
honestly what do you get out of this?
you've been doing this for what, 2 years now?
Rare Pepe
>>54247854
>>54253887
>>54253625
How much do you get paid per post anyway?
>>54253623
Different doesn't necessarily imply good or better.
That's why they said "Think different" instead of "Think better" - otherwise it'd be false advertising :^)
>>54253759
>https://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/the-insecurity-of-openbsd/
>literally a blog dedicated to posting misinformation about OpenBSD
>anything that's not blatantly wrong is opinion anyways
I didn't even read the rest of the bullshit you posted. Maybe if you want to make a point you should filter out obvious bullshit first.
>>54254655
dude he's been posting that link for a year or two
>>54254675
I know, and I stop reading every post that contains it.
>>54247854
The one thing, that one fucking thing that is stopping big companies and nations using openBSD for their infrastructure, just that ONE FUCKING THING that is missing...
Mandatory Access Control
With MAC, OpenBSD would become a genuine contender of RHEL in the world of MLS/MCS, as it is literally the most secure OS at this point in time (Ignoring weird proptietary shit).
>>54254725
all MACs do, like SELinux, for example, is add an extra unnecessary layer of complexity that people inevitably fuck up while configuring
that or they get tired of it and they just turn it off anyway
>>54254755
The reason top secret shit is stored with SELinux on RHEL is because 1) No one does enterprise support like RedHat, and 2) There are no more-secure alternatives
OpenBSD would be a contender, but it doesn't have SELinux or a comparable MAC implementation.
>>54252706
your gay
>>54254655
>literally mistaking aboutthebsds.com with allthatiswrong.wordpress.com
>implying that you can refute any of the points on that page eitherway, even if it were a misinfo site, which it isn't in any way whatsoever
BSDshills please go.
>>54254725
No, it has fuckall isolation as well as no mac/rbac. Its hardening is also not as thorough as PaX for linux.
>>54254755
The thing with layered security is that even if one layer is compromised, it doesn't fucking matter because there are other layers to protect the system. This is what theo the rat doesn't get (actually he gets it but he pretends not to so that bsdtards lap up the "it's totally secure, it only took 15 years to implement features everyone else has!" bullshit. Before it's implemented, "it's just another layer of complexity!" "increased attack surface!!" (which shows exactly 0 understanding of security). After it's implemented: "Revolutionary! OpenBSD is the most secure! Take this, linuxfags!").
>>54255570
Alright faggot, I'll just cherry pick a single fucking paragraph at random from that heap of shit.
> It should also be noted that the OpenBSD team uses a different definition of security vulnerability, limited to vulnerabilities that are allow for remote arbitrary code to execute. While most people may consider a DOS attack or local privilege escalation problems to be vulnerabilities, the OpenBSD team disagrees. If we use a more generally accepted definition of security vulnerability, OpenBSD suddenly has a far greater number than two remote holes in the default install a heck of a long time.
Because a fucking DOS should be considered a fucking hole. Because a fucking local privilege escalation should be considered remote. Fucking kill yourself.
>>54255620
>the thing with layered security is that even if one layer is compromised, it doesn't fucking matter because there are other layers to protect the system.
That's retarded. MACs like SELinux run in Ring 0. If that gets exploited then you're fucked.
>>54255739
>i-it's ok if openbsd is wide open to exploits
>a-at least there's no privilege escalation
>m-maybe
ITT: People with no other requirements for their OS apart from that it can play their Chinese pedo cartoons pretend they understand why systemd is supposedly a bad thing.
>>54251753
Nice FUD
>>54249277
For what it's worth, DragonflyBSD's HAMMER2 file system is coming to OpenBSD.
>>54248037
NSA
>>54255781
Except not. The best you could do by exploiting selinux alone would be to disable its access control. Regular access control would still be in place and the kernel would not be vulnerable to anything yet. That's also the difference. If selinux isn't there, you don't need to bother breaking it first.
>>54249277
So in short you're saying that every GNU/linux distro is the vim of distros on account of using the linux kernel?
>>54255883
>The best you could do by exploiting selinux alone would be to disable its access control.
The best you could do would be to run malicious code in kernel space, i.e. you're fucked.
>>54251643
>the JVM is useless.
hotspot is one of the most impressive things ever created
>>54255840
>no other requirements for their OS apart from that it can play their Chinese pedo cartoons
But Arch users do use systemd
>>54255570
you either link that, allthatiswrong or trollaxor most of the time
dont try to hide it
>>54252108
>but you cannot have more than 100% of a whole number
are you retarded
>you weigh 500% more than me
is a valid thing to say
>>54255970
No, you couldn't. That's the point.
>>54256003
>everyone who didn't fall for a meme is the same person
OK kid
>>54253431
>ChromeOS
chromeos has its use cases.
i bought my parents a chromebook each and they haven't complained once, it just werks.
either that or they got the hint and stopped asking me.
>>54256024
you still didn't answer my question here >>54253887
and only you constantly write "haha openplacebo xD" and links blogs
>>54256014
Why?
>>54253759
Where can I find these "peer-reviewed" papers?
You just linked blogs and "news" sites.
>>54256024
you also always have the same obnoxious style of posting where you call everyone kid or end posts with exclamation points whenever you think you're right
>>54256055
/g/ archive. It's a paper which analyses software security strategy and demonstrates that non-layered defense is useless.
>>54256075
Again, where can we find these "peer-reviewed" papers?
The burden of proof is on you.
>>54256070
>>54256045
OK kid
>>54256079
>give sauce
>no no non ono non ono wwheree is sauce is not possible placebo is best bsd is perfect is no sauce nonononono non on on on on o no non ononononon burden is proof of you nonononon mommy help me waaaaaaaa ;_;
I'm done here
>>54256075
Which post in the archive?
My company runs OpenBSD on a good number of routers, and considerable research has went into picking the best platform to use.
Unless you can point to the exact place where this article was posted, it doesn't exist.
>>54256097
If you're gonna say something, back it up with a direct fucking link.
I'm not gonna waste my time because you're retarded and you don't know what you're talking about.
>>54256109
Look for bsd general and paper.
>>54256123
Again, what do you gain from posting here exactly and getting blown the fuck out every time?
>>54256116
I'm not going to wade through the archive because you're such a cuck you can't even accept the wealth of evidence that openbsd is insecure as shit that has already been posted in this thread. I gave you the source. Either you're sincere and you will get it or you're just trying to delay and create work for people who don't like fish dick so your handlers can give you instructions on how to proceed to shill.
>>54256123
>can't point to the exact place where said article was posted
So there is no such "peer-reviewed" article then, thanks for confirming.
>>54256145
Yeah, all the WEALTH OF EVIDENCE, like those blog posts from well known troll blogs.
>I gave you the source.
nope
>>54256133
>[evidence evidence evidence]
>y-you're wrong because I say so
>B-B-BTFO
>openplacebo w-wins again!!
OK kid
>>54256145
>gave you the source
Where?
>>54256159
Hey, all you have to do to make me look like an idiot and prove me wrong is post those peer-reviewed papers.
Too bad they don't exist.
>>54256154
>blog posts with plenty of citations clearly describing security issues in depth
>not a single refutation ever made toward any of these articles
>only reply to them from openbsdtards is "Wow how ignorant" with literally no elaboration whatsoever even when other people ask for it
>"t-t-t-they're w-w-w-well known t-t-troll blogs"
>>54256175
The blog post is an opinion piece at best and a troll post at worse.
>>54256166
>all you have to do to make me look like an idiot
All I have to do is nothing since you're doing a fantastic job yourself. Every sane person browsing this thread can already see who's either indoctrinated or shilling, and who's not.
>>54256189
The irony of your post is almost palpable.
>>54256210
Is it really buddy? Can you touch it with your fat paws?
>>54256236
I'm still waiting on those papers.
>>54253995
>using the smiley with a carat nose
>>54256260
https://www.cs.utah.edu/flux/fluke/html/inevitability.htm
Checkmate, placebotard.
>>54256532
>ctrl-f and search openbsd
>Phrase not found
>>54256532
by the way i like how you took like 40 minutes to come up with this thing that's barely related
>>54256630
>>54256619
[butthurt intensifies]
As usual with placebotards: if you can't counter it, mock it. If there's a security flaw, pretend it doesn't exist. If you pretend enough, that means openbsd is actually secure.
>>54256532
>espouses the virtues of mandatory security
>openbsd is literally all about mandatory security, to the extent that the rest of the *nix world always laughs at their new security features, deeming them impractical right up until they poorly reimplement them
>>54256532
this was written in 1998
>>54256682
Openbsd is only now getting jails, while they existed forever in every other system.
Complete ASLR has been available since 2006 in linux, and only since 2013 in openbsd.
The hardening set that openbsd is so proud of happened over 5 years after PaX for linux.
Openbsd still has no mac or virt.
>>54256785
>ASLR has been available since 2006 in linux
And 99% of Linux installs don't enable it because "oh fuck something broke, revert all security features." Fuck off.
>>54256728
"Arithmetic was written in 2000 BC."
The fact that this paper was published in 1998 and is still relevant to this day merely shows how retarded people who trust openbsd are.
>>54256804
>Linux kernel enabled ASLR by default since the kernel version 2.6.12, released in June 2005
Keep changing the goalposts, though, I'm sure it will help you defend openplacebo.
>>54256785
>Openbsd is only now getting jails, while they existed forever in every other system.
this is how i know that you don't know what you're talking about
openbsd is getting virtual machines, not jails
>Complete ASLR has been available since 2006 in linux, and only since 2013 in openbsd.
>In 2003, OpenBSD became the first mainstream operating system to support partial ASLR and to activate it by default. OpenBSD completed its ASLR support in 2008 when it added support for PIE binaries.
>>54256841
>PaX
Show me one fucking distro that has that enabled by default.
>>54256849
>openbsd is getting virtual machines, not jails
Wow, so not only are you indoctrinated in a literal cult, you're also completely clueless about it. Incredible.
>>54256841
>In 2003,OpenBSDbecame the first mainstream operating system to support partial ASLR and to activate it by default. OpenBSD completed its ASLR support in 2008 when it added support for PIE binaries.
I can quote Wikipedia too, darling.
Did Theo send you a nasty email? Is that why you're so hammed?
>>54256865
It's explicitly not pax. Not that I expect a cultist to comprehend. But you'll surely flip out at the fact that there's no distro name in this post despite literally any distro name being an option, so I'll let you take notice of the fact "ubuntu" is mentioned in this post.
>>54256871
tell me more about how vmm/vmd is exactly like jails
hell, its safer because that means the VMs dont share a kernel with the host operating system
also im surprised you didn't say OpenMemeSD yet, you're getting rusty
>>54256877
> partial ASLR
>openplacebo: partially completely open by default
Sounds about right.
>>54256910
way to ignore the fact that you were wrong in the first place
>>54256892
>It's explicitly not pax
>it's just something like PaX that doesn't do anything
I'm waiting, faggot. Any security enhancement that has a chance of breaking userland is thrown out immediately on Linux.
>>54256895
>he literally thinks pledge is a virtualization scheme
Kekkeroonies.
>>54256785
>Linux kernel enabled a weak form of ASLR by default since the kernel version 2.6.12, released in June 2005.
>WEAK form of ASLR
btw
>>54256923
>doesn't even remotely contradict everything
>"SEE U WAZ RONG!1"
Placebofag pls
>>54256954
tell me where i mentioned pledge, we're talking about virtualization here, try to keep up
>>54256977
>I changed the subject, nanananaana I win again! Openplacebo is secure because I literally didn't address a massively important security flaw that it has and completely changed the subject!
>>54256973
>Openbsd is only now getting jails, while they existed forever in every other system.
Complete ASLR has been available since 2006 in linux, and only since 2013 in openbsd.
>In 2003, OpenBSD became the first mainstream operating system to support partial ASLR and to activate it by default. OpenBSD completed its ASLR support in 2008 when it added support for PIE binaries
>Linux kernel enabled a weak form of ASLR by default since the kernel version 2.6.12, released in June 2005.
why are you even doing this anymore? you still didn't answer that question
>>54256910
>Linux kernel enabled a weak form of ASLR by default since the kernel version 2.6.12, released in June 2005.
>weak form of ASLR
By your logic, Linux was behind a "placebo" "meme" os by two years.
Good grief. Cherrypicking much?
>>54257005
you're a fucking clown, you know that, right?
because i don't think you realize that YOU changed the subject
i'd think of you as just another troll normally, but you have been doing this for far too long for that to be true, you are legitimately mentally ill
>>54257035
>change the subject
>get called out
>n-n-no u
>o-openplacebo is god, openplacebo is my lord! openplacebo can do no wrong!
>>54257026
Linux is a kernel retard.
Please leave this board.
>>54257062
you forgot to call it OpenMemeSD
>>54257065
Ahahaha holy shit you're so mad you're resorting to blurting out obvious facts that have no bearing on how wrong you are
>>54257065
Hey I just made a post in another thread about that, you should give it a read >>54257090
>>54257065
Yes, and the kernel is the part that got WEAK ASLR.
I think it's about time to wrap it up. I've completely exposed the openbsd cultists, their numbers, their inability to discuss anything. I have successfully demonstrated that openbsd security is wishful thinking and not actual. With this, only the 3 cultists will ever again possibly consider openplacebo for anything.
>>54257161
>being THAT delusional
honestly you just make me laugh every time, TWO years of posting the same arguments and you get blown the fuck out everytime
you also said you would quit earlier but im sure you wont be able to resist responding to this post
>>54256047
No reason then?
>>54257161
>doesn't address how factually wrong he is
>I've won!!!!!111one
>>54257182
Cultist 1
>>54257198
Cultist 2
>>54257199
Cultist 3
>>54257161
>I give up, I'm out of arguments and have accomplish>>54247854
ngs
ed absolutely nothing, but I'm still right
FTFY
>>54257247
i like how i was right and you did respond
>>54257247
>he's literally so wrong he resorts to plain namecalling instead of just peppering his shoddy "arguments" with insults
>>54257288
>>54257290
>>54257297
Hahaha, looks like >>54257161 was spot on.
>>54257288
>him right now
Why is every BSD thread that makes it past 10 posts turn into garbage?
How can a community be worse than inbred Linux elitists?
>>54257324
>agreeing with your own posts
>>54257343
It's the Linux elitists that trash BSD threads. Normally BSD threads are decent and then some retard comes in spamming his shitty cuck meme and that's when shit gets derailed
>>54257343
Because they're like a cross between SJWs, mormons and linus torvald.
>>54257347
>everyone who disagrees with me is the same person
>>54257424
the IP counter didnt even go up
>>54257444
Neither did it when you made this post. That must mean you've been samefagging all thread clearly.
>>54248333
What sort of mong still burns images to CD-R?
>>54257494
the kind of mong that doesnt have a motherboard that likes USB flash drives?
>>54257494
>>54257505
hell, it's not even that either, it's the fact that it's way easier to test in a VM with an iso image.
>>54257385
>Normally BSD threads are decent
Normally BSD threads 404 because nobody is using BSD.
>>54257525
>it's way easier to test in a VM with an iso image
Hint 1: rename .img to .iso.
Hint 2: Unless it's an image made to be written to a floppy disk, it's exactly the same fucking thing as an iso.
>>54257636
i actually tried that a while back and it didnt work
i'll try it again
>>54257579
Sure thing bud, because voluntarily responses in a thread on some random website prove marketshare
>>54257385
I've never seen a good BSD thread. There is no discussion in them, just ranting back and forth between the guy who claims his blog posts are peer reviewed and random openbsd users having to respond to the troll.
>>54257343
because people used to ironically like stallman in like 2008 but now people unironically like him
freetards are the worst thing that has happened to /g/
>>54257706
but spreading FUD is evil
>>54257706
Like I said, they're decent until that fuck shows up
>>54257636
alright i literally just tried it and it didnt work, the BIOS says that there's no bootable image
Anyways, have they fixed the biglock issues with watching html5 video? I know, youtube-dl, but I'm lazy.
I might want to switch over once I get an AMD GPU.
>>54257706
t. tripfag calling himself memekid
>>54257780
I think as of 5.9 they made video playback much faster.
Kernel itself is still biglocked, I believe.
>>54257780
Never since the -current a week before the 5.9 release. Upgrade.
>>54257794
I know they're working on fine-graining it. But I wasn't sure how far they've gotten.
Thanks.
So... Is BSD anything suitable for desktop usage? Can I use GNOME on it?
>>54257817
You can but I don't think it's very recommended.
>>54257817
Freebsd, yes, although it's inconvenient. Its greatest advantage is a compatibility layer with linux so it can run linux software almost natively. Other bsds, not at all. They're plagued by security issues as well as software and hardware compatibility problems (except netbsd which runs on literally anything).
>>54257817
>>54257830
I should clarify, GNOME3 relies too much on FreeDesktop shit. It even relies on systemd, which forced people who didn't want systemd to develop ways to get around it. OpenBSD has support for it.
The point of BSD for me at least is to get away from that shitty bullshit.
>>54257817
OpenBSD is great, devs dogfood it
>>54251879
>simplistic elegance
>no power management
>no trim
>no drivers
>no features
top kek
>>54251967
>better suit for cucking
ftfy
>>54253494
>should try a BSD on a virtual machine
>doesn't work on real hardware anyway
>we're all macfags after all
>>54257636
you're wrong, the only reason most linux iso's can be written to flash drives is because they're hybrid images, with both CD and HDD-compatible boot information
a pure HDD image won't work on a CD, and a pure CD image won't work on a hdd
it's why things like windows iso's don't work when written to a flash drive as-is
>>54254675
>>54254683
>if we ignore it it doesn't exist
bwahahahahaha
This thread went to shit so fast.
>>54257962
>FreeBSD = all BSDs
Stop that
>>54257997
i thought you left?
BSD is what people complain about Linux incarnated into an actual os.
Can everyone stop pretending this isnt a literal server os?
>>54258057
If it works well as a desktop OS why should it not be used as one?
>>54256186
>that's just, like, an opinion, man
>openbsd wins again!
>>54258114
>IP count still not going up
>>54256895
>vmm/vmd
>safer
b-but theo said virtual machines are unsafe and that's why openbsd will never support them...
d-did he change his mind?
another openbsd INNOVASHUN?!?
>>54258125
Lmao a new random person didnt reply to me in this long back-and-forth reply chain in a thread with 200+ replies.
Did someone say SAAAAAMEFAG
>>54258175
didn't you say you were leaving?
>another openbsd INNOVASHUN?!?
tell me where they claim it's an innovation
good job trying to change your tactic up a bit and not calling it openplacebo anymore, i guess
>>54258205
>>54258187
>everybody who disagrees with me is a samefag
Pathetic.
>ip count goes up
>don't mention it
>ip count doesn't go up
>OMG OMG
Is there any group on /g/ that's more intellectually dishonest than openbsd users?
>>54257385
>BSD threads are decent
bwahahahahahahaha
>>54258241
it's STILL not going up, that's the best part
again, aren't you leaving? you're only looking more and more insane every post
>>54258259
>still going with everybody who disagrees with me is a samefag despite having been called out dozens of times in this thread
Is there any group on /g/ that's more intellectually dishonest than openbsd users?
>>54257706
>having to respond
>no actual responses to address the issues
t. bsd cucks
>>54258245
It is rather funny when you just read that part, but when you add the rest of my post to that it's correct
>>54257717
>unironically
we sure know who's the kid now
>>54257844
>greatest advantage is a compatibility layer with linux
TOP FUCKING KEK!
>>54258274
>>54258278
>he's trying so hard to not look like a samefag that he makes 2 posts
but yeah you're the one who goes on about the epic cuck meme and "innovashun xD" in every thread
>>54257851
>relies on systemd
bsdshits really are this ignorant
>>54258081
>works well as a desktop OS
m8...
>>54258331
yeah nevermind the fact that gentoo literally had to patch GNOME3 to make it run without systemd
>>54258205
>tell me where
comic sans "research paper" in 3... 2... 1...
>>54258350
you don't even know what the fuck you're talking about, cuck
>>54258375
http://www.openbsd.org/papers/asiabsdcon2016-vmd-slides.pdf
http://www.openbsd.org/papers/asiabsdcon2016-vmm-slides.pdf
here are two presentations about it that aren't in comic sans and don't claim it's an innovation
>>54258344
Well it does.
>>54258322
>tries to fit in to look like he's not a shill
>doesn't know how posting works
>>54258392
>i'll just call him a cuck, that makes me right
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GNOME/GNOME_Without_systemd
>>54258322
I'm not saying that you're projecting, but... you're projecting.
>>54258175
>this new thing is shit
>oh wait, Shitnux just implemented it and nothing enables it because Linux users don't know how to patch software
>well OpenPlacebo did it rong lelele
>>54258394
>aren't in comic sans and don't claim it's an innovation
don't worry, theo's "keynote" is coming! :^)
>>54258392
>le epik cuck meme
