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How many of you run your own server, /g/? What services do you run on it?
I was planning on setting up a tiny ownCloud server to sync contacts and calendars, and a mail server too.
What mail server do you recommend? I was thinking maybe Apache James, but Citadel sounds good too.
Is Bacula good for backups? Any experiences so far?
>>54241219
I have some shitbox here that starts sshd on boot
Maybe I'll do something with it some day
>>54241219
znc and rtorrent
Old desktop with a bunch of spare external harddrives plugged in on top, runs sshd on boot.
h5ai on nginx for browsing the share in a browser. works pretty well for media streaming.
>>54241219
Postfix
Kodi
Tor relay
Transmission
RAID for redundancy
Mumble
Unreal ircd
SSH, Samba, SFTP (for me only), TS3 server for my bros. transmission as well, and having it lets me get around my main machine running a VPN constantly. I use rsync in a Makefile to backup my media and sync my personal projects. its cool, and really good experience. Wanna set up NFS eventually, maybe an email server too. How do I get a domain name for my email?
>>54241615
>How do I get a domain name for my email?
You can buy those at any DNS registrar, like namecheap. The new TLDs are like $1 each, it's crazy (Tho I doubt you'd like a email on a .pizza domain).
I'm running sshd and nginx to stream stuff from anywhere.
Is it possible to use termux to run a server yet? I'm sure it is, I just cba
Im thinking of building a low power media server, but im not sure what is needed in the mobo. I don't want a gimped system but i dont want a power hog either.
Max output; stream 4k from lan or from media or hdd.
I just dont know how to pick the mobo
![clip_image004_thumb_1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Y0w8sFe.jpg "clip_image004_thumb_1[1].jpg")
Recently went full retard and installed ESXi onto an old laptop. Works surprisingly well and VMs run quite smooth compared to 8.1 + workstation on the same machine.
It's only being used for experiments and offloading platform in larger scale projects.
Then I have one raspberry pi with apache etc on it. I've been considering to have it host some dashboard/clock page for another pi with the official 7" display but I haven't yet found a good solution for that, nor the spirit to make one.
I still wish that microsoft's Server Manager will include support for linux servers..
I might be able to obtain a reletively new and powerful rack server for a low price. I've got all kinds of ideas what to do with it, that's not the problem, but:
Do rack servers REALLY make that much noise? i live with my gf so constant jet noise coming from the closet is not an option. Planning to bolt the server to the roof of our closet, hoping the noise won't carry to the next room / bedroom. Would get a tower model otherwise but the deal on the rack is so good price/performance wise
Any ideas how to get bearable noise levels with "home rack server hosting?"
>>54243866
It will sound like your average vacuum cleaner, maybe a tiny bit louder. certainily higher pitched if 1U.
>>54241219
Anyone who uses SATA over SAS is asking for it
Anyone who uses non-ECC for 24/7/365 operation is asking for it
Anyone who uses RAID 0/1/5/10/01 is asking for it
etc.
>>54243866
>asks if a 1U is loud
Does a bear shit in the woods?
Why don't you buy it and find out?
>>54243866
>Do rack servers REALLY make that much noise?
yes. noise doesn't really matter in datacenter as long as it's within levels specified by ohs, so expect loud fans spinning at full power.
i live with my gf so constant jet noise coming from the closet is not an option. Planning to bolt the server to the roof of our closet,
don't, you'll hear it. if you have basement use it, otherwise another room for that shit, preferably with a bit of soundproof (depends on how thin walls are ofc)
>>54243980
>>54243866
See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgInNCr2JuY
There are about 4-6 of those in the center of a typical 1U case. And the fan speeds are almost always on max for a good reason.
>>54243916
It's actually a 2U server. does that affect noise?
>>54243980
I'm asking so i know whether to buy it, or recommend buying it to a friend who has a server room at his disposal
>>54244008
I'm a bit more tolerant to noise than your average /g/ fella. we're used to noise from having old noisy desktop PC's whirring. Now wondering if the server is louder than those, and if so, how much louder
>>54244039
That really doesn't sound too bad if that's max RPM. most noise in that vid is coming from letting the fan hit the table.
>tor node (non-exit)
>rtorrent (with rutorrent as a front end)
>private minecraft serve
>samba for downloads and 4TB RAID-5 partition (used for private tracker downloads and backup storage, mainly)
>lightweight http server for sharing data with others
I also use it as an SSH socks proxy
I also have a VPS which I use as an IRC bouncer and image host for my screenshot and upload scripts.
>>54244352
>Does that affect noise?
Very little, no annoying high pitched whine but still hoover tier
>>54244352
>I'm a bit more tolerant to noise than your average /g/ fella. we're used to noise from having old noisy desktop PC's whirring. Now wondering if the server is louder than those, and if so, how much louder
Not him but you've probably never experienced a delta fan. They're designed for max airflow and are EXTREMELY loud. Imagine a vacuum cleaner running 24/7, that's literally what your rack server would sound like, possibly worse if you have a lot of servers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BeTVOgVkAA
Now imagine having this many, which is realistic if you have multiple servers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSllkFWVhJI
>>54244482
I concur, most if not all motherboards that come in racks also have their own proprietary fan connections so can't simple buy some poo fans and make it bearable. I have a server that would be fine with 2 out of the 4 fans running, but it won't boot without the 4 on. You can "hack" in the crudest sense of the word all of these inconveniences however it is much more easier to just buy a tower that can be racked / find a quiet server (they do exist, p4 poweredge 850 at work makes any barely audible noise from the room next to mine (which doesn't have a door).
I run Debian 8 on my home server.
I have mumble, samba, plex, snort, and every once in awhile I host video game servers from it.
>>54243866
sounds like you need to prioritize moving out of your fucking gfs parents house first before you have to explain what that noise is and why the energy bill is noticably higher
>>54241219
VMhost with storage for media (I download a shitton of stuff)
VMs:
Windows DCs
Linux webservers
Linux server for dicking around with programming ideas
>>54244857
Because it uses a fucking P4 which is useless in the modern world.
And a fan is a fan, you can just leave the connector and solder your own in
>>54244352
>It's actually a 2U server. does that affect noise?
No, rack servers are loud as shit. Source: I have a few in a 42U rack. You can do some soundproofing but you'll need an area much bigger than the server to maintain airflow.
>>54243866
Dell r610s are relatively quiet. Especially if you use ssds.
>>54241219
Dell T620
2x E5 2660
96gb ram
12x 4tb
2x 1tb ssd
2x 146 SAS
Server 2012r2 data center (because avma)
About 20 vms including exchange, sql, share point.
>>54243969
So what do you do when your SAS drives fail? It's not an impossibility, but you just said using RAID 1 is "asking for it". Unless you're using software equivalents to that, it seems to be "asking for it" to trust that your data is going to be safe on just one drive. And I'm assuming that because you forgot to write "Anyone who doesn't have backups is asking for it" that you don't have a backup strategy.
Also everything I could find about SAS drives only cites manufacturer reliability statistics, not real-world failure rate comparisons between drive types. Sure, yes, the manufacturer might certify a lower bit-error rate and MTBF, but those numbers don't hold up to failure data from companies that have deployed large amounts of hardware in production and know the actual reliability figures of their drives.
>>54241219
Have a raspberry pi b+ running transmission, sickrage and couchpotato on it. It downloads the files, unrars/post processes them then sends the files to my NAS (just some harddrive attached to my dd-wrt router). I then use PLEX on my main-rig to feed it out to the world.
Planning on maybe buying a cheap but powerful enough plex machine to transcode 2x1080p on the fly so that I can just keep it on 24/7. Not really comfortable leaving my main rig on when I'm not at home over long periods of time (1 month+ vacations) due to fire hazards.
Other than that I don't really have any need for a server or anything. I might install openvpn on the dd-wrt router, but that's it.
I just use it as a seedbox type thing
>>54241219
1 x Dell PowerEdge SC440
1 x Dell PowerEdge 2850
2 x Dell PowerEdge 2950 II
1 x HP Proliant ML350 Gen 6
1 x Repurposed Citrix appliance
Plus some cisco gear
I run various operating systems including Widnows, Linux, FreeBSD and ESXi. Some of this is for Active Directory and PKI work, the rest is for shits and giggles. This is all in a half-height rack.
>>54247005
>Planning on maybe buying a cheap but powerful enough plex machine to transcode 2x1080p on the fly so that I can just keep it on 24/7.
Newer i3 or i5 should do it. Plex recommends 2000 cpubenchmark score per transcode stream.
>>54243969
unless you are buying 150gb 10-15k drives from hp or someone, you are not getting a sas drive.
buying 'sas' drives from newegg are just consumer drives with a sas port on the end of them. sas is not going to give you reliability over sata, the drive itself is.
>>54247024
>buying 'sas' drives from newegg are just consumer drives with a sas port on the end of them. sas is not going to give you reliability over sata, the drive itself is.
aka "NL-SAS"3
You're better off buying enterprise-grade SSDs, they have far higher MBTFs.
>>54247046
Ignore the 3, failtype.
dumb question can a small mail server you own in your home run a linux game?
i know dumb question but i dont know if it has the drivers needed to do anything graphically intensive since most shit is handled client side not server side for all i know it just does the math
>>54246921
ssds for a server?
>>54247020
Yeah, I've looked into it a bit.
Thinking of maybe just renting a server online then installing plex on it and connect it to my NAS and play the content that way. If I did that it would still be up 24/7 and not limited to when my main rig was online. Haven't found any providers for that though.
Other solution would be to build a new machine dedicated to it, but as I said earlier I'm concerned about the fire hazard, and if something happened I wouldn't be home to fix it.
i used to know a model number, but what is a good older box that can work as a nas? i am buying r710's and 610s and normal small 2.5's are fine for running guests, but i need something at least 2u that can fit a shitload of 3.5s in it. speed of the box doesnt matter but i could have sworn there was a 4u older machine that people used
>>54247143
That can be expensive depending on how much media you have. The other issue is how to get the media to the server, will you be uploading from your home connection? Are you just wanting to dl to the server directly?
>>54247119
Yes. I used Pliant lightning 200s for my r610s.
Remember, the point of ssds is iops. Vhosts benefit greatly from high iops drives.
If the environment is big enough, tiered storage comes into play. Most new SAN installations are a few to few dozen ssds backed by spindles.
>>54247175
If you want to cheap, and your already invested in dell, look at md1000s. If you want newer, the md1100 or md1200 does 3.3".
>>54247193
I'd just hook it up to my NAS, so I would be the storage provider and they'd just transcode the media and serve it. I'd get the connection by hooking the remote hosting server up to a VPN.
I have a good connection so that's not a limiting factor.
>>54247236
ah yeah that is something like what i was thinking. i used to see a horizontal one not a vertical one but whatever, i am planning on picking up more 6tb reds and and dropping them in i just cant remember what cases were used
>>54247243
>I have a good connection so that's not a limiting factor.
For what you're talking about you'll need bidirectional gigabit. Direct file access requires much higher bandwidth than just streaming.
>>54247417
you sure?
My current connection has a 10Mbits limitation (from NAS to plex server).
My internet is 100Mbits. Why would I need gigabit speeds to and from the server? In my head it would just work as an extended version of my current setup and I don't understand why that wouldn't work?
>>54247550
I'll try to make myself a little clearer.
I'm not hosting the plex server installation, just the media it would draw from. Kind of like when you hook it up to dropbox.
>>54247550
The system has to be able to read file descriptors and other information quickly. Easiest way to test this is connect two locally over an equivalently neutered ethernet connection.
The other concern would be latency.
>>54241219
I've been thinking about using my old computer case to make a media server, but I'm a lazy bastard so I'll probably put it off for a few more months.
4TB Plex server
>>54247593
Not hosting the actual plex installation, just the media it's going to draw from.
>>54247676
That's what I'm talking about though. Hosting the plex install itself would be a nightmare. You might be able to get away with some sort of NFS cache but even then it'll be a noticeable lag.
>>54241219
Built an mitx build for me and my family. I rip and encode a lot of movies and blurays. Transfer them over the network to the server. It's using Windows 7, so I can easily remote in allowing me to run it headless.
>Intel Pentium G3260
>asrock h97 mitx motherboard
>4gb ddr3-1600mhz
>Silverstone hold cert 450w SFX PSU.
>250gb Samsung 850 evo
>2x4TB Toshiba 7,200rpm drives for movies
>2TB Seagate as storage for music/pictures
>all inside a Fractal Node 205 case.
I have backup set to auto backup incrementally once a week. Was thinking of grabbing a cheap i7-4790 to make this server a file/print server as well as encoding machine so my main PC isn't locked up for hours at a time when encoding. That and maybe a 3rd 4TB drive for raid 5.
>>54247714
I'll rig up some tests tomorrow at uni with my laptop as a server just to see if it works. Thanks for the heads up.
I recently scrapped an old Dell tower that was running Ubuntu server 14.04 doing routing (nat / forwarding for my home network), dhcp, internal DNS, nginx webserver serving certain files for download
I spent ~$200 a new mobo, CPU, 2x 1Gb PCI LAN card, case and then threw my old 64GB ssd in it to be my new home Linux server (centos this time). Pretty satisfied with how it turned out.
I also run an amazon EC2 Debian instance that handles my public website, and I have my DNS through their route53 service.
Currently my rack server hardware is out of commission, my HP 1u's HDDs shit the bed and I basically lost my entire dev environment. Trying to decide how I want to go about rebuilding atm
>>54243866
1U racks make a shitloads of noise, it is possible (on some models, Supermicros) to replace the fans with regular fans (I used 40mm Noctua fans because they were the ones in stock, and they were silent), now it sounds a lot less, however the fan on the PSU is still really fucking loud
>>54241615
Nice, I'm doing something similar. SSH, Transmission, had Samba running but switched to WebDAV because I didn't want to have to tunnel through a VPN. I'm also running a personal git server on there, would definitely recommend if you do hobby dev or something of that nature.
>>54241219
I've actually been waiting for a homeserver thread so I could get some advice.
So I've actually been actively looking into getting a NAS, however I noticed a lot of the DIY NAS solutions people are doing are pretty slick, and have them doubling as a media server running plex, and the sort.
How much difference does it make for a Video if I have it running off the NAS off plex, vs just opening the file through the NAS on a separate system? Like my smartphone?
Also, what are some decently priced diskless consumer NAS? I've been looking at Synology stuff, and they look pretty affordable, a 2 disk by diskless NAS by synology is around 100 used, seems like a good price, any other solution? Ideally I would want a 4-6 bay solution, but those look significantly more expensive.
>>54241219
Microserver gen8, Xeon E3-1240v2, 16gb ecc ram, 4x4tb WD reds in raid 10 and 3x3tb Toshiba's over SAS in a Thermaltake TS431s SAS enclosure hooked up to an LSI 9207-8e.
Running ubuntu server for plex, torrents, backups for several machines and a fuckload of porn.
Top to Bottom inside rack:
-2x Intel NUC
CPU: Core i3 5010U
RAM: 16GB
Function: set up as ESX HA cluster
-Router, Ubiquity EdgeMax Pro
-Switch 1, Quanta LB4M (48port 1Gbps, 2port 10Gbps)
-Switch 2, Arista 7124SX (24port 10Gbps)
-Server 1, Supermicro 1U
CPU: Core i3
RAM: 16GB ECC
SSD: 4x 1TB 850 Pro RAID 10
NIC: 2x10Gbit
Function: Datastore for vritualization
-Server 2, Supermicro 2U (Twin server, 2 nodes)
-Node 1:
CPU: 2x Intel XEON E5-2650v2 8 Core HT
RAM: 128GB ECC
Storage: ESX on USB
NIC: 4x10Gbit + 6x1Gbit
Function: ESXi Virtualization server
-Node 2:
CPU: 2x Intel Xeon E5-2609v2
RAM: 32GB ECC
SSD: 2x 512GB 850 Pro RAID 1
RAID CARD: LSI MegaRAID SAS 9286 8e SGL 8 + LSIiBBU09
NIC: 2x10Gbit + 2x1Gbit
Function: Storage server, RAID card is connected to the 4U JBOD underneath it.
-JBOD, Supermicro 4U
CASE: SC847 E16-RJBOD1
HDD: 37x 4TB RAID 60
-Old norco case storage machine
CPU: Intel i7 920
RAM: 24GB
SSD: 1x 128GB
HDD: currently 8x 2TB
NIC: 2x10Gbit
Function: Test server for storage stuff
-DL160G6
CPU: 2x Intel Xeon L5520
RAM: 32GB
HDD: 4x 1TB RAID 10
Function: Test server.
-DL140G3
CPU: 2x Intel Xeon E5345
RAM: 16GB
HDD: 1x 160GB
Function: Test server.
-Router, Coldspare Monowall (supermicro C2D)
-Router, Coldspare pfSense (supermicro C2D)
I have several homeservers, but the whole setup isn't quite complete yet
>Self-built from parts I either had or bought
16GB ECC RAM
i3 low power
3x3TB HDDs running on RAIDZ1 serving files with NFS.
>HP8200ustd i5 edition, phased out from work so I got to take it home
I have this one run my VMs for small operations. It's running ESXi with 4 VMs:
- H@H Server
- rtorrent+utorrent
- Gameserver, currently only Factorio
- Webserver (WIP)
>HP8200sff, also from work
This one is only running Plex, serving myself, a few select friends and my parents
Everything runs on Debian stable, except the NAS runs on Arch. Yes, I know. I don't have any issues with it now, and I'm scared of migrating the ZFS pool.
To do:
Samba shares
Finish webserver
Start doing backups ;_;
>>54251453
Is that for all your amines?
>>54251529
>I have this one run my VMs for small operations. It's running ESXi with 4 VMs:
I get why virtualising can make things easier to manage but what's the point of making a VM for every little thing? Does that mean you have 4x 10gb+ VM disks just to hosts 4 OS installations?
shitbox used for ssh, ftp, a zeronet seeder, and a rust legacy game server
i have a Netbook running all day as fileserver, test-webserver, ssh, CalDAV, CardDAV.
It is also connected to the TV and i watch movies with it, so it is some magical all-purpose box.
I never intended it that way.... it just happened...
>>54251533
stores everything but anime shit.
>>54251551
Yes. Using separate VM's for every single application causes massive overhead. Only idiots do it.
People should learn to make their systems stable instead // use containers
>>54251551
>I get why virtualising can make things easier to manage but what's the point of making a VM for every little thing?
Management purposes, yeah. The main benefit is that if I for some reason have to reboot one VM, or I fuck something up on it, very few services will go down.
>Does that mean you have 4x 10gb+ VM disks just to hosts 4 OS installations?
You can run small services on a 4GB install, but yes that's generally what you'd have to do.
>>54251786
sorry just not my thing
I have some core2duo-era pentium shitbox as a fileserver and plex server.
I was going to just get a NAS box but fuck spending $150-300 on that.
ITT Weeaboo faggots that cannot afford real server gear
if it didn't cost at least $10k then its not a fucking server and you're just a tryhard faggot like this cunt
>>54251837
>>54251843
Thanks for clearing that up. I recently switched from windows 2012 to Ubuntu and was planning on virtualising most roles in case I fuck something up but I ended up forgetting about that.
Can't be bothered to start from scratch with a VM though. Is it really as simple as setting up the VM and using the old config files?
>>54251870
excuse me?
>>54251870
tfw your home server is just an old C2Q that you put a pile of disks in
>>54251870
>y-you must spend $x before your shitbox is serving files
What in the fuck are you on about?
>>54251870
I'm getting a stroke from that anime shit, but:
Any nice tools for drawing eyepleasing network maps? Been using text files so far...
-------------
| Router |------1GB-------[VMWare ESXi]
-------------
|
|
(NAS 2TB)
Etc...
>>54251921
There are online services for that.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=online+network+map&oq=online+network+map&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3.2812j0j4&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#num=50&q=online+network+diagram
But if text files work for you then who gives a fuck
>>54251921
visio?
glify?
>>54251870
You're full of shit and you haven't worked at a company for a single day of your life.
>>54251870
>IF IT'S NOT ENTERPRISE GRADE THEN ITS NOT A SERVER REEEEEEEEEE
>>54251886
You can also look into linked clones (or thin disks, or fucking whatever depending on whose VM system you're using)
>>54251870
yeah, because i totally need 10k$ Hardware for things _at home_ and a maximum amount of 4 people using it.
You are the faggot if you need expensive shit just to host your porn.
Anyone used btrfs RAID 5/6? Ever since they finally put in scrubbing support in 3.19 I've been wanting to use it, because it's so much easier to expand incrementally than ZFS. Experiences?
>>54251870
It frustrates me to no end that people actually use enterprise gear at home and think that for some reason that's a good way to spend money. RAID? Enterprise drives? ECC RAM?
Fucking really? Exactly what benefit are you getting out of this (very expensive) technology?
inb4 I use RAID for backups
>>54252246
listing RAID as silly is silly imo.
and i use ECC because it only supports ECC ram.
as far as enterpise drives go, fuck that shit, normal 4TB seagates serve me just fine.
>>54252246
a.) the only real enterprise gear in that graphic is the one dual xeon system and the switch
b.) it's easy to get used enterprise crap for not a lot of money from businesses upgrading their stuff. Old rack servers show up on craigslist and at recyclers, mobos, CPUs, RAM, and bits and pieces of every description are all over ebay.
>>54251870
spotted the guy that fell into the "server grade hardware" meme
>>54252280
>listing RAID as silly is silly imo.
Oh boy, here we go. Please justify RAID in a home server.
>>54252286
a) I wasn't really commenting on the picture, I just got triggered by his comment.
b) And that's probably the only time you can justify it, but even then that's a bit flaky. If it's being sold, you can usually buy NEW consumer hardware that has equivalent or better performance. You also have to consider all the impracticalities i.e. noise, power consumption.
I use a 24 port business Dell switch, but only because I got it for free.
>>54252246
There is literally nothing wrong with RAID when you are mirroring important files such as family pictures and you dont need expensive equipment for it.
>>54252372
how so if i want more than 10TB i should just remember what drive that particular movie is on?
>>54252372
>Please justify RAID in a home server.
Please justify why you do not want redundancy on any of your data.
>drag home an old DL380 G4
>it's completely useless and I knew that before I even touched it
I need better self control.
>>54252421
> the cancer of /diy/ confirms he is an impulsive junklord.
No surprises there.
>>54241219
HP DL380 G5
> 16 GB RAM
> 2 x E5420
IBM System x3550 M2
> 32 GB RAM
> 2 x E5530
NAS
> 8 GB RAM
> i3 4 threads
One little server
> 4 GB RAM
> 1 x X3310
>>54252446
Any idea how much that's costing you to run? There's a G6 sitting spare at work I want to drag home for network and virtualisation learnings.
>>54252465
that IBM cost me 24/7 about 25euro per month
>>54241219
>Bacula
wew
Unless you're backing up to tape you don't need anything beyond a few scripts and reasonable documentation.
>>54252397
So in other words, you're using RAID for backups?
>>54252404
Personally I'd use JBOD but sure, that's a pretty valid use of RAID in a home server.
>>54252416
It's not that I don't want it, but your logic only really works if RAID was free. In the end, the only real benefit that RAID provides is uptime. Is saving a day or two restoring from backup every few years really worth doubling the cost of your storage?
>How many of you run your own server, /g/?
Not yet, but I'm thinking about it in my new place.
Would like to mirror my distro's packages, as well as email backup, storage, and a media centre for my television (which doesn't exist yet either).
Wouldn't mind fiddling around with some cheap security cameras and motion sensors at some point, too.
>>54252206
A btrfs Raid 2 was the first filesystem i every saw in my whole life going completely fucked up just because of a power blackout.
The guys in the btrfs-IRC weren't even surprised, they just recommended ZFS if i want something more reliable.
The disk was perfectly fine.
>>54252429
But it was free and I had my car with me
I also took a shitty case with an old Foxconn C2D motherboard that had a few busted caps.
Managed to fix that, no idea what I'll do with it. I also have a GeForce 8400 GS laying somewhere. Might get a slightly better C2D than the E4400 that came with the board and build an office machine. Need to buy thermal paste though, currently running it on a layer of Colgate.
G4 -> G5 was just a huge leap if you put it side by side with G3 -> G4
>>54251870
The only reason to buy enterprise-grade gear is if your business haemorrhages thousands of dollars every minute of even partial system downtime.
>>54251453
So how does the Node 2 computer connect to the JBOD? Does it just connect to the RAID card which connects to the drives? Is your storage array fucked if the RAID card dies? Also does a light come on if a drive is fucked and needs to be replaced?
What are some cheap server parts? I'm planning on making a server but don't know where to start.
>>54252635
>>54252635
God fucking damn anon..
>>>/trash/
>>54252635
Buy some shitty ARM board, start doing server shit until the shitty ARM board can't handle the shit you're doing, buy shitty laptop, use that as a server instead, when shitty laptop stops handling the server shit you're trying to do, buy shitty desktop, etc.
>>54252635
Depends what you want to do and what you consider cheap.
Main use cases are: application server, file server, router/firewall
Desktop-grade components will hold out just fine, and you can use SFF cases and not require a rack. You can sometimes find cheap HP microservers on sale too, just make sure they've got something faster than an atom in (though even that will be enough for a fileserver that doesn't get crazy utilization).
For application servers you might need a lot more power, depending on what you want to run on it.
>>54252514
>>>54252397
>So in other words, you're using RAID for backups?
>>>54252404
>Personally I'd use JBOD but sure, that's a pretty valid use of RAID in a home server.
>>>54252416
>It's not that I don't want it, but your logic only really works if RAID was free. In the end, the only real benefit that RAID provides is uptime. Is saving a day or two restoring from backup every few years really worth doubling the cost of your storage?
How much times a year do you buy new drives?
It's maybe some shekels more but you ain't gonna buy new drives every month.
And RAID is basically free, if you have the drives it costs nothing.
>>54252768
>How much times a year do you buy new drives?
>It's maybe some shekels more but you ain't gonna buy new drives every month.
How many times a year do you have drive failures? You ain't gonna have downtime every month.
And depending on your scale, it can be a reasonable amount of money, not to mention the overhead of managing RAID (must have matching disks, not enough ports, not enough physical space, not enough power, performance hits, may need a RAID card, etc.).
I think for a lot of people it really doesn't cost them a lot of money, so they don't consider how they're actually benefiting from it and just assume it's worthwhile.
>>54252612
connects with 2x SFF-8088 from the card in node 2 to the backplain/expander in the JBOD, if the card fails than i have a spare that will just pick up where the old one left of and yes id does show a red LED when a drive has failed.
>>54252881
Your right most people don't need 10TB unless they need it for their hobby / work ( video recording / converting / saving )
NAS
CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1270 V2 @ 3.50GHz
MB: ASRock - E3C204-4L
RAM: 32GB ECC 1600MHz
OS: UNRAID
HDD's
2X 4TB Seagate Barracuda
4X 2TB Seagate Barracuda
500 GB Seagate Barracuda
256GB Samsung 840 pro Cache drive
Total storage 16.5 TB
What it does
Backup server for my desktop and laptop and a few other things
Media server (Movies Tv shows anime)
General Storage
4 VM's
Debian
Transmission
Plex
MySQL (For kodi to sync watched status and such)
one of the onbord Ethernet controllers passed through
Ubuntu
Handbrake (for when I want to convert videos)
Windows
Was used as Steam stream box had a r9 290x passthrough
one of the onbord Ethernet controllers passed through
Not used atm GPU removed to save power was thinking of getting a fury nano for this.
DOS
Because why not.
Does a raspberry PI3 count? I use it to host a few small personal websites, and a hobby website with it's own forum and mumble server. The IO performance of the micro sd was really bad for the mumble server taking up to 10 seconds for user to change channels because of logging and whatnot, so it's running as a ramdrive atm with 7 rotating backups of the SQLite database. It's also plugged into my tv and runs kodi.
I only get around 600 unique visors a week across all sites. I'm just waiting for the day I get hacked an all my shit fuck up =)
I use noip for the dyndns
I let zoho.com handle my mail because it's against my isp tos to run a mail server
>>54244352
Get an r710 from ebay. They're great starters, and very configurable. You won't have any problems replacing the fans if you feel it's too loud, but it's fairly silent from the get-go. Obviously it's not the same as having a standard ATX case with silencing pads built-in, and it might not hold up to what the standards of the linustechtips-fanbase that /g/ has become, but they're certainly not as loud as a vacuum (unless vacuums have become much more silent recently). It sounds similar to one of those white-noise generators, and a full rack sounds like a fridge or a/c unit. A single 2u rack isn't going to cause any major noise issues, though.
>>54243866
They are loud, not to mention rather power hungry expect a sharp increase in your electric bill if its on 24/7
>>54247005
Woot's been having some pretty decent deals on older xeon machines. You could also pick up some used xeons from ebay that'll push 2-3 streams.
Personally, I wouldn't build anything new for it. New drives ofc, but you could handle that through aws if you really felt like it. I'm pushing my plex through digitalocean/AWS, it costs me $5/mo, which is way cheaper than my rack would cost, and I'm able to run 2 streams without a problem, though you may want to go for the 10/mo plan if it needs to be reliable for more than 2.
>>54246688
lel
>>54241219
Storage with ZFS
DNS and centralized adblocker
Plex Server
Couchpotato, Sickbeard, Transmission
Owncloud
VPN gateway
>>54252246
>>54252372
>>54252768
Write 1000 times in the blackboard:
"RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup" "RAID is not backup"
>>54252635
Just get a gen8 microserver
>>54247843
Don't use windows software raid 5 it is dogshit.
>>54243866
>caring about gfs opinion when running your machines
C U C K
>>54254553
He doesn't even have 3 hard drives of the same size. Either way, windows storage spaces should be avoided.
>>54254582
Found the lonely virgin...
I want to build myself a home nas that can support 6 drive raid z2 freenas.
I have never done this before. Some anons suggested I get a supermicro board and a unas case, however I don't want to spend $900 on the mobo and cpu. Is there a good midrange kind of board that will support the planned setup?
Also I will need some sort of internal flash storage or m.2 ssd support to put the actual freenas OS on
>>54255772
Just get a board with 8+ sata ports and a cheapish CPU.
My sorta thread.
So Im running what could be considered a server, but not really. Basically Im just clicking that share drive button on windows and using Es file explorer on my android phone.
However it seems to take quite a while to load images and stuff. I wouldnt think its to do with my internet speed, so how can i check if its from my router or from my phone thats making it slow?
Additionally, I want to install linux on my main computer in the near future, what would be the way of setting up a fast network that can be used as a desktop pc also?
>>54255810
I know what you mean. I regularly go through large photos on my server from my tablet and photos tend to load at 500kb/s whereas file transfers exceed 20mb/s. Streaming is also a lot faster. I've never managed to find out why it's slow. Thumbnail generation is also slow for some reason.
I noticed this running windows server 2012 and now ubuntu server.
>>54255808
But I've heard freenas needs a shit load of ecc ram for large raid configurations. Not to mention the rebuild times. If I want something like 24tb usable space in raid z2 how will I know if a cheap board and cpu will be able to handle that?
>>54255900
Even low power CPUs can handle parity nowadays. If you're dead set on having ecc ram then go with AMD because it's quite a bit cheaper.
How are you going to back up that 24tb? I hope I don't have to tell you that no raid is a backup.
>>54255938
It was hypothetically speaking. Also I have a bunch of money to blow and I would like something that will last me for many years to come. I just can't justify spending $900 on the motherboard alone.
At the moment I'm shooting for 6tb usable with room for expansion.
My computer has 6tb internal storage and I plan regularly syncing my files with the nas, and then backing up the nas periodically to an external 5tb wd elements.
It's not much, but it will do for now.
>>54256029
Just get one of these. Its a HP microserver. Cheap as fuck nowadays. Supports ecc ram, iLO and some other nice shit.
>>54256771
>4 hard drives
>whirring noises
>>54251453
What could you possibly need 100TB of storage for? Do you torrent every single thing ever?
>>54252280
>seagate
Never.
>>54256992
as long as you dont buy the 3TB you are good, stop looking at that backblaze report.
>>54256827
>shooting for 6tb usable
>needing more than 4 drives
Eh?
>whirring noises
Eh?
Maybe read the manual again lad
>>54256970
basicaly yes
I used to, but since I live in the countryside there are often power outages and constant thunderstorms in the summer.
>>54257237
>running a server without UPS
Why tho
>>54257134
> with room for expansion
4 bays isn't enough if I want a good raid z2.
You need 6 drives for a good z2 or raid 6
>>54257272
I did use an UPS, but sometimes the power outages lasted for over 15 minutes and the UPS battery would run out.
also I don't think a regular UPS will save my server if lightning strikes near my house.
>>54257344
I don't think you know what a UPS is supposed to do. It's supposed to give your server time to unmount shit and shut down gracefully.
>>54257289
Then get a cheapish AMD CPU + mobo with ecc support or something like a Asrock C2750D4I if you want intel and some norco case and call it a day.
>>54252514
>Is saving a day or two restoring from backup every few years really worth doubling the cost of your storage?
Considering that you lose a few years of life due to anxiety over those few days, yes.
And it is way more convenient to just switcheroo a bad drive and rebuild your raid6 than to fuck around with backups. That is, the process of making constant backups on drives you don't use (meaning you have no idea if those backups are still even working).
>>54257965
What's hard about a script or programming that simply mirrors files? It's not hard at all.
faulty drives aren't the only thing to be worried about either. RAID is used for availability, not backups.
>>54257344
UPS is supposed to allow you to shutdown all your shit instead of just cutting power.
What you're looking for is a fucking generator m8.
>>54241219
I use an HP 8200 SSF with an i5 2500 and 16gb of ram, 256gb SSD for main traffic volume and 1tb hdd for mass storage. It's running DSM 5.0 (linux) with virtualbox to host all of my VMs. On a 200mb connection.
I'm planning the following build for a pfsense multi-wan (load balancing) router:
CPU: Intel Core i3-4130T
PSU: PicoPSU 90
SDD: Kingston SSDNowV300
Mainboard: Gigabyte GA-H97N-WIFI
RAM: I'm pretty sure I got plenty at home
I'm not really sure on the mainboard, there's probably something cheaper I'm overlooking and no idea what case I could use for this, I'll probably be forced to get one of these box cases since I intend to use an extra PCI-E network card to get a third network interface
>>54258461
Surely you can go cheaper than that if it's just for pfsense?
/g/ I'm a college student dorming. I want to make a homeserver but I need USDs
Whats a cheap homeserver setup with alot of disk space?
>>54241219
Will gaming ever move to servers? Like just dumb terminals hooked up to a really beefy home entertainment server.
>>54259345
It's possible with steam or nvidias gameatream. Don't know how well it's supported though.
Personally I think it would be great. I have a tiny zotac box hooked to my TV which definitely can't be used for modern games however my server has a pretty beefy Xeon which I could use in that way.
>>54258582
I could, I'm having a hard time in deciding how though
>>54254605
Why do you say that? Storage spaces and software raid are not the same thing.
>>54259144
How much storage do you need. A lot is an interpreted value...
r8
>>54259616
I'm using a 5 year old Asus board with a built in Atom CPU, and it's an overkill.
Buying an i3 for pfSense is just a waste of money. If anything just buy a high end Atom board and you'll be set for years.
>>54259789
I guess, any suggestions?
also I still can't find a case that has enough space for a PCI-E network card but doesn't waste vertical space on a PSU, since I'll be using picoPSU
I have about 10TB that I want to backup. I know RAID isn't a backup, but it's already sitting in a pseudo RAID1 with rsync/freefilesync backups. Should I go and build a NAS? Spending so much on drives for an equivalent RAID6 makes me want to splurge a little more and build a full blown server. If so, which motherboard should I go with? I know there's one with an atom processor and a bunch of ports, but I'd like to buy a beefier xeon or maybe even go with AMD for the parts. ZFS on Linux looks very straightforward to make an array, but I have no idea how I would check whenever a drive fails. Maybe going full normalfag with freeNAS might be the best bet, but I'd like to run Debian or CentOS. I also don't want to buy a dedicated RAID card. Why is this so debated whenever I search for comparisons? It seems like software RAID is fine nowdays.
>>54259789
Also I was about to go look for atom boards but then I realized that I'd rather run my pfsense stuff as a virtual machine rather than on the bare metal since I tend to fuck up a lot and I don't want to have to reinstall everything and have my network down for days while I do it
>>54259710
z820/10
>>54259823
>>54259915
The board I'm using is an Asus AT5NM10T-I with a quad port NIC.
The downside with this board is that it doesn't have wireless so I just use an old router I got laying around to handle that.
So far it's been handling everything I've thrown at it; pfSense, Smoothwall, Untangle, Sophos UTM etc.
As for the VM part, it works fine but if you should do it really depends on your setup and what's handling the VM. For example, a headless might run into trouble very easily and every unexpected shutdown is a pain.
pfSense also lets you backup your config if you happen to fuck up massively so I wouldn't worry about it too much.
httpd
sshd
mosh
ton of custom cron jobs
>>54241219
I've meaning to build one for two years, but I always end up adding moar hdds to my desktop and using the money to buy anime dolls.
>>54259982
in the end I decided to go with the original and more expensive solution because fuck wasting any more time on amazon and fuck going to other sites to get stuff. Guess I'll use it to run a few virtual machines
>>54251870
And if I don't have 10k$ to spend into a fucking computer ?
>>54251870
When I sold this,I sold it for $17K...
Wait who's the try hard?
>>54259637
SS is a form of RAID m8
>>54261243
Get called a poorfag and carry on shitposting from your Pi.
>>54251870
i really dont get this image. its just a consumer grade home modem linked to a bunch of shitty mobile, c2d, and even shittier amd. only the hp workstation could be considered one step above consumer grade, and that isnt even a real enterprise server
am i missing something or do i just not get the bait?
>>54241219
Virtualized using https://www.proxmox.com
Nightly Backup server for all workstations and nodes with Weekly NAS drive for redundancy.
A controller for my Ubiquiti UniFi devices and network monitoring tools.
File server for movies, music, pictures, etc.
And VPN to access network. The server sits beside my network, not behind.
FreeRadius, but it has not yet been set up for use.
It's a Microserver 1U. Because the rack I have is a 2 post networking rack really.
>>54252206
Now, it is stable, for me, in my testing.
But then, I'm running Seagate Archive v2 drives, I - importantly - have a full backup, and since I used to run Gentoo Hardened with stack protector patches before it was mainlined, on production servers, nothing terrifies me anymore.
ZFS is certainly far, far more battle-tested. How lucky are you feeling? Do you feel like actually testing?
>>54257134
Just to confirm: They have definitely fixed the "Delta fan on full whack if you turn the proprietary-firmware shitty RAID card into perfectly normal AHCI mode" firmware "feature". It's OK. The NICs are good Broadcoms. The Celeron G1610T is cheap and doesn't have AES-NI, performs best with serpent-xts; the E3-1220L (if you can get it) runs cooler, and does have AES-NI.
>>54262445
Yeah they released a BIOS update for the fan ages ago.
I managed to get hold of an E3-1240v2 which runs fine with the stock heatsink and packs a decent pumnch.
Apart from a few quirks, like booting from ODD sata port while in AHCI, it's been fucking great. Can't say much for £170.
>>54261707
Storage spaces is not block level. Raid is.
ZFS is also not block level.
The redundancy is in the individual volume.
>>54262033
proxmox: for when you are too cheap for a free esxi license and don't care what your resume looks like
but if that is your picture, how much did you get the rack for
>>54262635
200 something for the rack
400 something for watchguard t10 box with 3 years live security, plus 200 for the 1 year licenses
330 for the USG Pro 4 gateway
the rack micro case was like 300 something, and rest of the build was about 800 or so.
Plus cabling, heads, outlets, etc etc.
And 25 per rack shelf.
>>54241219
XEAMS works very well for a spam filter, and apparently has email server built in, though I haven't tested it.
I would probably use Zentyal for the actual email server and XEAMS for protection from spam.
>>54262788
I lied, 150 for the rack.
http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-2-Post-Server-Construction-2POSTRACK42/dp/B0189GXZ1M?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00
>>54262833
ah yeah i thought it looked like a 2 post. such a pain in the ass since those things are all overpriced and i am looking to buy a 4 post soon.
for fucks sake people are charging $60 and more for a god damn shelf. i am thinking of just buying a fucking cutting tool and some sheet metal myself
>>54262911
The shelves I buy are under 25.00 on Amazon.
23 bucks.
http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Inch-Mount-Shelf/dp/B00IXVQOU8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00
The rack was only 150 for 42U 2 post. I didn't really need a server rack, only for networking equipment. That's why I got a Micro rack mount case for the server.
The startech 4 post is only 380.00, The 2 post is 60% less.
http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Adjustable-Server-Equipment-Cabinet/dp/B0000DBML2/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1461800249&sr=1-1&keywords=startech+4+post+rack
I bought all my equipment over 2.5 months to off load cost at a single time.
All networking gear is expensive. If you just want to learn and fuck around, buying used and shit.
I actually built a closet in my house, and am running out lets. Eventually I'll have a 66 punch and run VoIP. I run the cable for voice, but its only terminated at the outlet.
Really need a plan. Or just have money to blow.
>>54252246
>I'm mad other people have access to enterprise gear and can afford running it at home
>Must be a terrible idea
My IBM xSeries has saved me so much unnecessary hassle rebuilding a bunch of home use network services that I have rolling that I don't mind paying to keep it running. Redundancy isn't a backup but its nice to have for more than "muh once a week reinstall linux box"
Protip: Buy 4U, not 1 or 2U.
A 4U half-depth rack server (I use NORCO, got the case for about $60) has roughly the same dimensions as a regular desktop PC and supports CEB, ATX, MicroATX, and ITX motherboards. The upshot of this is that there's plenty of vertical room to install traditional heatsink/fan combos on the CPU instead of having a bunch of tiny ridiculous-RPM fans that sound like a plane taking of - mine is quieter than my regular desktop computer (pic related) - and also that you can install regular desktop components if that's your thing.
Mine is in a 12U two-post rack, mounted with nuts/screws, along with a low-power managed switch and the networking equipment underneath. Sorry for how messy it is.
>>54263489
My setup is more permanent.
The house I bought had a closed up fireplace. Behind the fireplace the house was added on to. However the wall was of course very deep. I just framed out and finished a closet.
If I ever decide to sell, I'll leave the equipment and use it as a selling point.
"Smart Home" with dedicated networking closet...
peepole r dum. l0l
>>54263597
If I wasn't renting, I'd want something similar. That said, I really want to have a fairly energy-efficient house (plan on buying in the medium-term), so I might end up with a bunch of quiet atom servers or something.
> If I ever decide to sell, I'll leave the equipment and use it as a selling point
I wonder if you need a license to do this for other people? By day I work as a network and system administrator, it seems like it would be fairly simple to set up a decent home network (I hate pulling cable, but I can do it - though if anything, I suspect this might require an electrician?): app-aware NG firewall (maybe SonicWall or Juniper), PoE switches (Ubiquiti or Juniper), a couple APs (Ubiquiti). Set up a couple 1U servers with atom processors, configure a failover/replication cluster for Owncloud, driving other home automation stuff, etc. Probably could knock it out in two full days of labor or so.
>>54263757
Ethernet cabling is considered low voltage wiring. To be honest there isn't really any Federal or State regulation. However there is a "standard" such as using orange for Gang boxes and pull throughs.
Like: https://images.lowes.com/product/converted/034481/034481157946lg.jpg
You can literally use J hooks, Zip ties, PVC, etc as long as the conduit material meets code. I just zip tied all my Ethernet cable to my rafters and every ten foot put a Kable tie that says "Networking Cable "on one side and "Low voltage" on the other.
It takes more than a few days if the its not new construction. Running one outlet can take 30 or 40 minutes. Make the cable run, drill down the top fire break, go down, cut drywall above center fire break, drill through firebreak, cut drywall below firebreak for outlet, install outlet, fish wire through, replace and patch drywall... and terminate and test outlet and label.
>>54263757
>>54263896
Oh, the only other code I can think of, but is using fire rated caulking around conduit that passes through fire breaks. You can actually use other material, but the caulking is easier to do. You can even use "great stuff" if its less than an inch for a 2 hour rating.
I also want to point out, if you ever decide to do runs in your home, you can use RISER cable. Plenum is commercial code.
Also, any outlet you make, if you think you want to ports, put 4, want 4, put 6. I usually do 4 data 2 voice. Fax/voice.
And spend a little money on the right tools. It will make the process easier and speedier than use cheap shit.
And always at minimum do a pair test on cabling you make.
And use cat 6 23 AWG riser. 1k foot is 100 bucks give or take on Amazon.
You really don't need a lot of equipment, just a plan.
Gateway, Router/Firewall, Switch, and if you dont connect direct to switch, patch panel. If you run VoIP 66 punch block. You can use a patch panel.
VoIP, in the rack.
Really, not a lot. You have to remember the more you add, the more it cost in energy. Unless you don't mind burning money.
