>he believes in VR
For the record, I knew it was gonna fail even when people laughed at people who said it was gonna fail.
Vive is fucking awesome, oculus is trash
>>54219389
>he can't afford VR
lmao
>Res is too shit to use for anything but games and 360 movies
>GPUs can't really keep up in games at the shit res
>There's no good way to control games, motion controls are wii and kinnect tier
>>54219504
>There's no good way to control games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhBaY1UMOJs
Yes, there is... but no one partnered with them for fuck knows why.
>>54219562
Glove based?
gayming belongs on >>>/v
>>54219588
No, infrared. it's like a mini-Kinect for your hands.
Might be cool for a racing or flight simulator
Any other genre, not in the next five years.
>>54219588
>>54219604
It's pretty sick
>>54219389
>he fell for the "VR failed" meme
Dont be so bitter, you'll come around gen 2 and 3. We are already having our fill with the current models.
The close distance play is so mindblowing already, once the res can handle things in the distance, its going to be matrix tier.
>>54219562
One minute in to the video, the reason why they have not partnered with anyone. Unreliable grabbing, would not work well.
>>54219467
You're a retard, I can afford it. VR is a joke just like 3D. Unless you're in the game it's shit. Fuck playing with a controller, I mean it's better than not being able to play at all but VR is so overhyped it's stupid.
VR is as much of a meme as it gets.
>>54219647
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhBaY1UMOJs&t=220
You didn't even get to the hype part.
Don't want to shell out for a Vive, and Oculus failed to deliver on field of view.
>>54219654
Nah, you can't afford it kiddo. A.k.a. mommy and daddy won't buy it.
You're the definition of the confirmation bias in your post.
>>54219676
I'm just getting an LG G3 and a cardboard.
>>54219680
>Hyped for a fucking gaming toy
>Calls other people kiddo's
>>54219672
It's very cool, but it doesn't look very tight. Which I think any type of controller has to be.
>>54219702
Hyped? Lol oh god. I might buy VR if it stays around for 3 generations. Aside from that, I'll stick to normal games.
But yeah, you are a kid if you're under 24 really
>>54219389
literally 3d meme v2.0
even movies dropped it.
>>54219717
>I'll stick to normal games
>you are a kid
Oh the irony
>>54219447
Roomscale is fucking stupid and sitting makes you puke
ITT buy our shit pls :(( not enough orders :(((
>>54219604
>>54219588
Gloves might actually be better since you can give some kind of touch feedback.
>>54219744
>everything sold out and they have angry customers from delays
>not enough orders
kek, VR haters in such denial its absurd.
Do you guys have investments in Luddite incorporated?
>>54219717
You're a dumbass
>>54219787
*Your
>>54219824
*your are dumb bass
>>54219769
lol
>>54219617
>>54219604
Oh, it's that. It doesn't seem reliable and responsive enough for faster paced games. Also, having to hover your hands in that small space will both ruin the experience and get tiring very fast.
>there are people who get motion sickness with vr
>tfw it's probably the same people who complain about getting sick with 60fps media
Lol
>>54219918
You don't keep it on the desk for VR--you mount it to the visor, and this is only the first generation of the technology.
I have one now and the detection is really phenomenal and immersive. By far the best control method I've used and about 10,000x better than waggle sticks.
A good developer could get a lot out of it.
>>54219769
The Wii was popular early on, and Microsoft & Sony rushed to copy the motion controls, but then it turned out that motion controls were just a fad, and nobody uses it anymore.
I predict VR will turn out to be the same. There just aren't enough normies who will want to strap a screen to their face.
>>54219389
>The price point was a huge failure.
>The hardware requirements were a huge failure.
>Proprietary systems with online requirement and botnet features are a huge failure.
>Motion sickness is still a problem.
Then there is the huge learning curves devs must not only learn but develop from scratch to make anything interesting for the platforms.
I don't see any way VR will become common in less than 15 years. Till then it is just a gimmick for tech enthusiast.
>>54219963
Im not worried about normies.
All VR has to do is get on the market level of steering wheels and hotas sticks till photorealism VR and cordless headsets gets here.
Normal dude here. Only /g/tards are going to strap a contraption to their fucking faces to play gaymes. Sorry losers
Early VR adopter here, all you plebeians and your 2D monitors make me sick. why don't you go back to the f****** real world and masturbate with your women.
What I mean to say is normies get off my board
>>54219990
>The price point was a huge failure.
Some aren't bad, the OSVR at $300 sounds neat, and if it was better it'd be worth the money.
>The hardware requirements were a huge failure.
Most gamers have descent systems, doubt this is so much of an issue.
>Proprietary systems with online requirement and botnet features are a huge failure.
My major problem, OSVR, SteamVR, nVidiaVR, OculusVR. Pick a damn API, not doing the whole OpenGL/Direct3D crap again...
>Motion sickness is still a problem.
another reason I am scared of it, would suck to spend the money and have to sell it...
Heck I will add a few!
>Screen door
>limited FOV (90 degrees seems weak, scuba goggles all day)
>no idea what games it supports...
(seriously can I play Portal? Wow? Tomb Raider? only the low res indie dev games? Do I have to use a wrapper? does it depend on what VR system I have?
which brings up a whole different set of questions... but whatever
>>54220378
>Proprietary systems with online requirement and botnet features are a huge failure.
That's the whole point of OSVR. Supports every headset and there are already OSVR<>Vive&Oculus wrappers that let you play "exclusive" content on the OSVR.
>>54219389
The real problem is a colossal failure of imagination among software developers. There just aren't visionaries today who want to deliver an inspiring product at a good value or even just free.
Everyone is looking for the low-effort, wide-appeal gimmick crap and DLC nickeldiming.
>>54219654
>VR is a joke just like 3D
no one said 3D is / was a joke. Its great tech, it just wasn't adopted by consumers (it will be though)
>>54220452
This. They're using it to enhance the existing stuff.
3D movies failed because of the same thing.
>Wow, a 2D movie in 3D!
>Who cares?
Also, instead of 2D + depth it ended up being 2D + nausea. VR has full 3 dimensions of nausea, though, so I guess it's progress.
VR has great potential in simulations and I'd really like to have a VR desktop where I could have as much space as I need to do stuff on the go.
Obviously, it will be wasted on porn and gaymes.
>>54220638
>wasted on porn and gaymes.
Without these VR will never take off.
Fuck I believe the internet was a success only thanks to porn and email.
>>54220733
the internet was a success because of facebook.
VR is fucking awesome
>>54220808
In theory, it needs 10 years for better hardware and actually good software
>>54220808
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A939QRRSNV4
FUCK YEAH two chicks at the SAME FUCKIN TIME MAN
>>54220824
>in theory
err some of us are already using it and its awesome
>>54220824
vr has already been out since 2012 with DK1. Thats 4 years. Nothing
>>54220824
In 10 years it will be much better, but even in its current form right now it is awesome
>>54219741
look at me i have no area to install roomscale in so i'd better call it stupid so i can feel better about myself.
I love that 4chan is critical of new tech and they are usually right. 3d tvs bombed hard starwars old republic bombed hard.
The Vive is going to change things. try it out see for yourself. i have one since april 6th and i cannot put it down. There is no stopping this tech it's only going to get better
>>54219504
>no good way to control games?
dude have you fucking tried the Vive? it's 1 on 1 tracking. up to the milimeter.
you forget about the shit resolution the moment you pick something up and trow it somewhere. sure the cables are annoying at the moment but it even this starting entry level tech is amazing beyond belief once you try it
>>54221435
>dude have you fucking tried the Vive? it's 1 on 1 tracking. up to the milimeter.
I havent, but he has. He says its a gimmick like the wii
>>54219389
VR is now a content platform like Amazon or Netflix, and has support for porn. It's never going away but will continue to be a niche product until manufacturing costs lower.
been using a Vive since april 6th.
shit looks stupid on a 2d screen. roomscale looks retarded when you see it on a video.
be in there. walk around something interact with it with 1 on 1 tracked controllers and you no longer give a shit about how it looks for you peasants without it.
It is amazing. even games that look like retarded children games like audioshield becoming immersive behemoths. all you do is stand there and use your hands(shields) to block colored blobs from hitting your face to the beat of the music. but you are in there you are a badas you are feeling like you are on top of the world. all this because of some sensory tricks and a screen wrapped to your face.
you can be negative about this all you want but once you've tried it things change. yes sitting in a chair looking at some platformer ala lucky tails on oculus is not going to be succesful.
walking around in a holodeck interacting with shit is going to be the future. In a few years now you will look back at this and laugh
>>54221461
i had the vive since april 6th. tried as i might i cannot lose tracking on the controllers short of lying on top of it. i've crawled around in my living room looking retarded to the outside world and it doesn't matter when you're in there (be sure to close the curtains though)
you can call this a gimmick all you want but try for yourself it litteraly is 1 to 1 tracking.
>>54220485
It doesn't matter, you're not IN the game.
>>54221502
>I was hitting blobs it was AWESOME
Okay shill and/or sunk-cost justifier
Ive tried several VR sets and they make your eyes feel really dry and hot.
>>54219588
powerglove when
>>54219963
I would say mption controls werent a fad, just not enough titles and depth was developed for it
>>54221558
this is exactly what i thought, i didn't buy the system for audioshield where you litteraly hit colored blobs coming at your face. because it sounded stupid as shit. i haven't even tried half my VR experiences yet because i'm addicted to the one game i thought would suck the most.
it's nearly impossible to justify true presence to a cynical fuck like you because you read 1 part of an experience and base your entire point one that. blobs he must be crazy i'm right it sucks buyers remorse etc.
i wont waste time trying to convince someone who has already decided it sucks. go to a store near you where they demo the vive. try it out yourself. thats all i can say to you.
>not browsing the www as a 3d avatar in a vr environment
shiggy
>>54220793
this, facebook and co made the net and mobile phones huge. I wish it didnt happen though because it made everything saturated and too fast to consume
>>54221614
This is what I've been waiting for my entire life. I hope websites start rolling out VR versions. Would be pretty crazy to walk around /b/
>>54220793
>the internet was a success because of facebook
lmao
>>54220856
Some people also think that gaming consoles are awesome
>>54221637
>Would be pretty crazy to walk around /b/
They have it
>>54221558
Sunk-cost justifier? You realize used vives and rifts go for much more than they cost new because of the backlog, right? If he wasn't genuinely happy with the product he would simply sell it.
>>54221614
wasnt their a movie or tv show like this? I remmeber futurama did an episode like it
>>54220793
kek muhrica is a funny place.
>>54221679
yup i could have sold my vive for 2100 dollars.
i can stil sell it for 1500 now if i wanted to. i will never even consider it.
>>54221700
Oh, so you're just an idiot.
>>54221760
Or maybe, juuuuuuuuust maybe. VR is just that fun. i know it's incomprehensible to you. I almost get as much fun demoing this product to others seeing their first time reactions to the Vive as i get myself when using it. you can't explain this showing it on a 2d screen.
No need to convince you though. in a few years you wont be able to get by without VR. so we'll see then.
>>54221844
>No need to convince you though. in a few years you wont be able to get by without VR. so we'll see then.
really? There was news story yesterday that the projection for VR global sales was reduced yet again
http://www.wsj.com/articles/research-firm-lowers-projections-for-virtual-reality-sales-1460485946
>>54221598
Yeah, shovelware was a huuuuuuuuuge issue on the Wii.
>>54222019
by all means post a source where people need to register to prove your point to make sure no one will read that article. gives you a very good basis for conversation.
meanwhile i'll just post a link that people can acutally read
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2016-04-20-superdata-downgrades-vr-forecast-again
yes its been downgraded to a whopping low 2.9 billion for this year. mostly cause of occulus causing ultra shit shipping problems.
wow VR is surely doomed. you are so right. 2.9 billion for first year release of an early adopter project is so horrible.
>>54222146
it is doomed. Remember when journalists everywhere said that 3D was going to be inescapable? Well, that fizzled. This is the same, but even worse for the consumer.
>>54222146
>Y-yeah it's the f-future
People couldn't be assed to wear 3D glasses, there's no way they're strapping bricks to their fucking head.
You'll get bored of your toy in a week or two, break it out for some Garry's Mod tier bullshit, then shelve it permanently.
Should move it to some other sucker while you have the chance.
There's really no point arguing this. I have the vive, I love it. But if you haven't tried it, you probably won't understand or be quite skeptical. I don't consider it the same as 3D TV cause when I tried that I felt like it was shit.
>>54222268
>>54222274
I get that you think this is the same as 3d screens. but for 3d screens people didn't say. you have to experience this for you to understand.
3d screens where readily availlable and its easy to show how they work and what it looks like on 2d screens.
For VR you are actually inside the environment. for the vive atleast you can walk around an object examine it from any angle in 3d it's not comparable to 3d screens.
its very easy to say that this will fail like that even tough 3d screens didn't blow people away. when you tried it people thought it was cool but it wasn't giving you presence in a whole different environment.
But like i said. Once you try it yourself walk around with a Vive and you'll notice for yourself this is not even close to comparable to 3d screens.
>>54222324
Yup i honestly don't know why i even bother. people here on 4chan come up with the same sentence every time its like 3d TVs thinking they got it all figured out. Only way to show them what tis is like is strapping it to their face but they will never try it for the chance that they have to admit they are wrong.
>>54222327
>For VR you are actually inside the environment.
You are not.
>>54222365
that's the whole point. your brain tricks you into thinking you are.
my bad though i should have said, it makes you feel like you are actually inside an environment
>>54222391
>that's the whole point. your brain tricks you into thinking you are.
The only tricks being played are gorilla viral marketing tricks
>>54222413
Not much i can do to prove that i am just a user who got a Vive and is actually happy with it.
I'm glad you resorted to this though since it just means you have no real arguements.
it's kind of like Godwins law for 4chan.
I just hope other users can see through this, i owe nothing to HTC if anything their support is utter shit, they handled shipping and credit card payments very badly. Maybe one day you wil get to try and see for yourself how it works. before the day 1 preorder customers get it.
>>54219389
I agree with the pic but not your post. The Oculus is in many ways a failure. The Vive is not.
>>54221611
What store are demoing the vive?
//how do i find one?
>>54219389
That picture is silly
It made me laugh
The only person that doesn't need VR is Palmer Luckey cuz he is busy rolling in that Scamstarter money. The rest of us have to cope with escapism.
>>54222523
where do you live?
In america microsoft stores demo them, in the UK its pc world or something i think.
there's also a map somewhere that shows people who got their vives and are willing to demo it to others.
I personally demo it to as many people as possible. most fun are the people who never even know about VR. you get the weirdest reactions.
>>54222523
To be honest you probably won't find any demos until a few months later when they are being sold in stores. Right now they are shipping out all the pre-orders, which was a ton and will take time. Hell the Vive sold 15,000 in the first 10 minutes going on sale. Give it time to reach stores.
>>54222499
>I'm glad you resorted to this though since it just means you have no real arguements.
go away shill. The first rule of being a paid shill is not to admit to it
>>54222670
maybe read the whole post?
I had hope even when I knew my hope was foolish. Glad I didn't buy one, and there's still a limited amt of time for them to pull it off, but I don't see it really hitting home even with the porn adoption rates.
>>54219680
It's funny because the people who make posts like this are usually /v/irgins who don't even have a job.
>>54222146
Just for the record, these were the projections made for the 7th gen console war.
Turned out to be hilariously wrong.
Most business analyst firms are literally paid by publicly traded companies to scam potential shareholders.
>>54222569
I didn't notice any vr stuff in the Microsoft store last Saturday, so i guess I'll have to find that map.
I'm near Atlanta, so I'm hopeful. :)
VR is dumb as fuck, when are we gonna get some good AR advancement? Google Glass was cool technology but it had Google attached to it and its own fair share of problems; if anything, AR is the one in need of fine tuning and free money.
>>54222738
i didn't bring up the business analyst as a form of proof. it was a reaction to a guy using the same kind of analitics to prove VR would NOT take off. i merely posted a version where you didn't have to register to view it.
I wouldn't put too much trust in them either. either it's going to work or not guessing the cost / benefit is never going to be accurate with brand new tech.
this all started because i was so tired of people comparing it to 3d tvs. i can understand why people think they are the same. but if you've tried the Vive you'll see what is different. it is very frustrating/difficult to convey how amazing a VR experience really is
>>54222777
except ar is just a gimmick
>>54222777
Hololens
>>54222777
Wait for Magic Leap to actually show a product.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmdXJy_IdNw
>>54222828
I guess, it's bulky as hell though.
>>54222670
>go away shill. The first rule of being a paid shill is not to admit to it
not everyone is a shill and stop being a dick.
>>54222772
googled trying to find the map sadly the map showing people with vives who wanted to demo to other people got deleted.
what i found was http://blog.htc.com/2015/07/the-htc-vive-world-tour-is-here/
other option would be to ask on the reddit/vive channel. i dont like the circlejerking upvoting of reddit but for these kind of requests they are very usefull.
>>54222851
True, but it's bulky because it's self contained.
>>54222925
Thanks man.
I agree on the reddit thing.
>>54219672
>>54219562
This piece of shit doesn't work as well as advertised.
Great idea but really badly implemented.
>>54221524
but is it literally 1 to 1 tracking?
>get HTC vive
>plug everything in
>SteamVR: "Headset not detected"
>sacrifice goat, rearrange cables
>finally works
>have some fun
>next day, decide to play some more VR
>SteamVR: "Headset not detected"
>have to do the same shit again to get it working
>have some fun
>next day, decide to play some VR
>SteamVR: "Headset not detected"
>tfw you've run out of goats
VR sure is neat but in terms of reliability the vive sucks.
Why do you guys want some glove or other motion control for VR. This is as stupid as Kinect and PSMove. Sure it looks cool and is probably super fun to play, for first hour. But no one will ever want to stay 6h waving his hands in some fast paced FPS.
Mouse + keyboard is still superior, even while wearing the HMD.
>>54222777
I wish there was more interesting development in AR. Hololens are not as shit as I expected, but they have such a low FoV.
There probably isn't any real applications for it nor any reason why normal person would want to buy them, but I just want to develop muh waifu simulator.
they got greedy and priced themselves out of the market. if they'd stuck to the original plan of pricing it similar to the dev kits things might have been different.
>>54220793
Holy fucking shit. under age like fuck.
>>54224698
I just assumed he was trolling, nobody honestly can think that regardless of age.
>>54224568
More like, instead of doing budget crappy VR for everyone they decided to make high-end HMD.
I think it was pretty stupid move, consumers' computers aren't ready for VR yet, they will sell much less, developers won't want to make games for such a small market and whole VR hype will die.
On the other side they could release cheap VR for everyone, make HMDs popular and then release next generations, more and more expensive but better.
>>54224727
It's okay that they sell less, because we will have to wait for good games and programs to arrive before it will take off anyway. Really good games, especially ones tailored for such a new and uncharted territory as VR, takes more than a few years to produce, in other words longer than modern VR has existed yet. So if Oculus uses this first generation to show that there is interest for VR even at such a high price, content creators will be convinced enough to invest the money to create AAA titles for generation two. And if Oculus also manages to price generation two cheaper, it will be a slam dunk and they will sell shitloads of units
>>54219617
>>54219562
I was always surprised that a babbie tier tech company like LEAP ended up making this based thing.
I think that hologram stuff is way more interesting than the Oculus-type VR
>Tfw oculus preorder shipment delayed for another month
>>54225696
This. AR > VR
If you want to see the fate of these machines, all you have to do is look at the Nintendo Virtual Boy. Big clunky device that gives you serious eye strain and makes you look like an idiot.
>>54226110
If the Virtual Boy came with a headstrap I bet people would've actually used it
>>54226110
Yes, let's compare tech from the fucking 90s to today's tech. Not only that, but the virtual boy was less than $200. The Vive will likely set you back $2000 if you factor in the PC. They are nothing alike
>>54219611
The problem with those games is that the resolution is so poor that you can't see the next corner well or the ground from your plane etc.
I'll buy it when there's a killer app. Do you hear me Valve? Make a VR game that I can't not play so I can justify spending that much cash on a headset. I want to buy it.
>>54227481
Half-Life 3 :^)
>>54227588
It doesn't even need to be a Valve game. They just need to partner with someone to make something so good I can't ignore it.
>>54221637
All it would be would be a museum-like building with the website on the wall, catalog style, and you'd throw up from trying to read the text versus a stable monitor not moving at all.
>>54227481
who cares? VR is for porn, not games
>>54219389
Oculus is the gimmick VR.
Vive is the actual VR.
If VR fails now, it will be because of Oculus being terribly mediocre.
We Superpower by 2020!
>>54224280
turn off camera, and use a usb port. camera is stil in beta stage it often breaks steamvr
give it time
i imagine that with a little more time and a lot more investor bucks, VR will be a life-changing experience
>>54229285
t. the same VR shill that's been samefagging this whole thread about blob blob flailvolution
>>54229311
>samefagging
>64 IP's
Sure senpai
I want VR to be a success this time because I like simracing and VR is what's needed to make it proper nice.
>>54219389
>calling that consumertard meme VR
>>>/v/
>>54226887
Y-Yeah ...!?
>>54221528
that's physically theoretically impossible
>moving your head
nah im too lazy for that
>>54229828
>>54229933
They should be developping that instead of all the VR bullshit.
>>54230046
Then maybe the contrarian autists of /g/ can finally have a product that's unianimously loved instead of all these
>I've never tried the vive but I know it's a shit gimmick
>shill
>>54229378
i'm the "blobs" guy he was talking about and i think its pretty obvious now he's just a troll.
or maybe VR killed his family and he has some kind of personal vendetta.
>>54219637
>Dont be so bitter, you'll come around gen 2 and 3.
This isn't the first generation of VR.
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