Hey /g/
I plan on switching over to Linux soon because of how terrible Microsoft is at the moment, I know a bit of basic Linux stuff but I'm no expert, I want to use Arch because I like the whole DIY thing and customizing stuff but I kinda feel like I might screw up, should I get more familiar with Linux before getting Arch?
>>54217411
Depends on what you know. Worst case scenario: have another boot disk on hand with something easier if you find yourself overwhelmed. There's nothing wrong with easing yourself into Linux.
>arch
>>54217495
>Posting memes
>>54217488
Not OP but do you have some links/tutorials for the customization? There's a bit on the wiki but I'm looking for more. The customizations in the desktop threads are really awesome
>>54217411
>Arch
I also went from w10 to arch without ever using linux before, it took me like 4 reinstalls because I was a dumbfuck and didn't know how to use the install media to fix stuff..
Even if you don't understand what you're doing, following the wiki should be pretty easy..
>>54217540
Nope. I don't use Arch. Don't mind anyone that does, but I have no interest in it.
I'm happy with Mint.
>>54217540
Go look into pro ricer's dotfiles
>>54217551
Get out, rajesh
debian
>>54217411
>I like the whole DIY thing and customizing stuff
Arch is fucking terrible when it comes to customization. Install Gentoo, seriously.
>>54217651
>Arch is fucking terrible when it comes to customization
>>54217623
>>54217657
AUR sucks and portage shits all over pacman. If using needlessly bad and contrived software is your definition of customisation then fine, I'll just be over here with an OS that offers more at a fraction of the effort.
>>54217720
>AUR sucks
Love this meme
Comeback when you don't have to spend 3 hours for kernel recompilation because you wanted ck patchset
>>54217720
>AUR sucks and portage shits all over pacman.
wew
>>54217495
>buying into this meme
>>54217411
Just use ubuntu. It has just as much custimization as arch with the added benefit of being a working, complete system from the install. Also the install is much better for a first timer (arch literally has no installer).
>>54218053
>It has just as much custimization as arch with the added benefit of being a working, complete system from the install
i don't have a costanza face suitable for this.
>>54218053
>arch literally has no installer).
What is Architect, Antegros, and Manjaro?
>>54217411
The wiki is absolutely amazing. Even if you've never used a computer before in your life it's kinda impossible to screw up with Arch because of how good the wiki is. There is practically a wiki page for everything, and it's all typed in very deep detail to hand hold you through the entire process of doing everything.
Alternatively, you can go ubuntu, which is easy too and has very nice support, but nothing beats Arch's wiki.
>>54217495
Maybe people just enjoy the fact that it's really customisable lol. Why do you have to hate on an operating system which you don't even use?
>>54217663
See >>54218094
>>54218062
aur is still fucking shit though.
>>54218079
The wiki is over hyped by the vocal minority of arch users.
>>54218505
Fuckton better than the abomination called PPA
>>54218516
Gentoo had a decent wiki until the incompetent maintainers had their server crashed.
Find me a better wiki
>inb4 debian
Absolute trash
As an Arch user myself, I'd recommend getting familiar with Bash before you try installing Arch.
>>54217411
You will probably screw up at some point.any linux distro is customizable, just install something that has built-in Desktop environment, get used to it and the customize if you want.
>>54217657
https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2015-July/039443.html
"Arch has always been a simple distribution in terms of the developer perspective, not the user one. Using systemd made it simpler than ever in that regard because much more work is taken care of by both the systemd developers and all of the projects shipping unit files.
It has never been a minimalist distribution. Splitting packages is rare compared to other distributions, and dependencies aren't made optional whenever possible.
It has also never been a distribution offering much user freedom / choice compared to Gentoo and even Debian.
Arch is the opposite of a distribution with lots of user freedom. Users will come and go based on whether they like the technical decisions made by the developers. The popularily of those decisions has no impact on how things are done, regardless of how vocal users are about it."
Don't use arch. Use Ubuntu. No shame in doing so. None. Arch is for people who already know how to use GNU.
>>54217529
>>54217826
samefag
Arch is ridiculously easy to use. Don't even worry.
You could easily just follow the beginner's guide because the install steps are the same for everybody because there really isn't that much customisability because that makes it easier for the devs because then there is a smaller pool of software to check when something breaks because it's bleeding edge.
If you're really looking for absolute control over your setup, give slackware a go.
>>54218062
>i don't have a costanza face suitable for this.
They're right though.
Show me one thing Arch can do that Debian/Ubuntu can't.
>What is Architect, Antegros, and Manjaro?
Unofficial and unsupported, especially Manjaro, which has its own repos iirc
>>54218533
>Fuckton better than the abomination called PPA
If signed and pre-built packages are an "abomination", then use Gentoo senpai
Hey OP I'll just answer your question.
If you honestly aren't an "expert" on some not-so-basic programming or Linux know-hows, start off with another Distro and gradually change to Arch.
Arch is the most customizable at a technical level but offers little in terms of user compatability, GUI (non-existent), and overall experience. You will have a tough time keeping everything up and running on a weekly basis.
You don't have to start off with Ubuntu but you'd need to ease your way in to Arch. It won't be overnight but you don't want to be underprepared for Arch.
The memes are true on a technical/objective level and there are a bunch of people using Arch that have a superiority complex but that doesn't represent the entire community. Only most of it.
Godspeed OP.
>>54218919
>pre-built
Exactly the kind of shit that fucks shit up at each fucking update
>Signed
Top meme
>>54218971
>Exactly the kind of shit that fucks shit up at each fucking update
So just like Arch?
>Top meme
Package signing is not a "meme" you ignoramus
>>54218986
PPAs don't have package signing, not by Canonical. PPA might just be the most popular source of Ubuntu's breakage
>>54218516
No it's actually not. I don't even use arch, I'm on opensuse and I'm jelly as fuck of arch's wiki. Everything I've ever needed in my entire life I've found there. It's fucking amazing how I can find an article for practically everything, no matter how obscure it may be. Another example of good wiki and support is gentoo's wiki and community, and gentoo is kinda in the same roots of design as arch linux.
>>54218142
They tried to install it and failed (even though it's really easy to install, that is how retarded they are).
Seriously it takes 15, 20 tops, minutes to install it. Compared to gentoo that is nothing. Gentoo takes 8 hours. Most of these memes apply more to gentoo.
>>54218505
That's why you don't use it. You build packages yourself if you need them that bad. I discovered, that I don't need very many non-repo packages at all. The aur is the most garbage part of Arch yet lots of users seem to think it's the best. Aur should be scrapped and devs should start maintaining more packages. I think it only exists out of laziness.
>>54219439
What are the differences between arch and gentoo anyway? They both seem to follow the exact same idea of providing you with bare minimum and you have to add to it.
>>54219498
With gentoo you have to compile everything from source an dthere's even more configuration to be done.
>>54219498
>What are the differences between arch and gentoo
>>54219982 Confirms >>54219801
Holy shit gentoo NEETs are hilarious
>>54217411
Do what smart people do. Start with an easy distro like mint buntu or suse.
Installed Ubuntu for like a month and then moved on to Arch. It's not as hard as people think, the biggest problem I had was duel-booting with Windows 10, had to reinstall everything a couple times. Once you get everything running it just werks, I haven't had any of the problems I had in Ubuntu. The only thing that took some hoops to jump through was Steam but it didn't take too long to set up.
>>54217495
Why do you so desperately want to scream to the world how big an idiot you are?
Most of the "timesink" criticisms people use for Arch apply more to Slackware or Gentoo. Also get with the times, the new "hipster" distro is Void, Arch is too popular. Void has barely any users and is much smaller on distrowatch, yet it's users are ten times more obnoxious than any Arch or Gentoo user I've seen.
>>54220027
To be completely fair I actually agree
>>54220005
>start with an easy distro like mint
arch is easy as fuck, nowhere near as hard as the mess which is gentoo. Arch takes only a couple of minutes to install, while gentoo takes hours and possibly days if you screw up big time. Plus gentoo's wiki isn't as comprehensive as arch's (both are really good, but arch wiki is still better), so you need a bit more programming to get your way around things. Gentoo is hard arch, while arch is what gentoo tried to be (a minimalist, customisable distro), yet easier.
Alright you fucking nitwits. I'm extremely fucking tired of hearing all these memes and bullshit spouted about literally any existing distro.
All of you retards do nothing but act like you're being helpful by using incredibly nonspecific language and retarded bullshit.
>AUR sucks and Portage shits on pacman.
How?! I have a general idea of what they are but no reasons were fucking given. None!
So, to all you Lineets out there, I have a set of questions. I want an answer on each for each and every fucking distro out there because God damnit I am SICK of you fucks constantly bickering so nonspecifically.
>1. Compared to Windows, how easy is [distro] to have installed and running?
>2. Compared to Windows, how easy is it to add and remove programs to [distro] reliably? (Note I did not say "securely." By "reliably," I mean "what is the chance that installing or uninstalling a benign program can cause harm to your productivity?" Since I have heard plenty of horror stories about such things on many distros.)
>3. How much does [distro] rely on the terminal?
>4. Compared to Windows, how easy is customization and optimization? (This doesn't equate to the options available, but more how accessible they are for non-power users.)
>5. How is the program support for [distro]?
These are five fairly specific questions. I'm hoping there's someone out there who isn't utterly retarded and will be able to answer them.
>>54220230
>AUR sucks and Portage shits on pacman.
Top meme. Don't fall for gentoo meme if you are new see >>54219982
>>1. Compared to Windows, how easy is [distro] to have installed and running?
You've been answered. It depends on distro to distro. Manual Arch is hard if you don't know how to use bash
Manjaro/Ubuntu is pretty much cilck install process. Use google
>>2. Compared to Windows, how easy is it to add and remove programs to [distro] reliably? (Note I did not say "securely." By "reliably," I mean "what is the chance that installing or uninstalling a benign program can cause harm to your productivity?" Since I have heard plenty of horror stories about such things on many distros.)
All are bullshit. If you are using your distro's official repo you should not be worried.
>Install
#pacman -S vlc
>remove
#pacman -Rns vlc
>>3. How much does [distro] rely on the terminal?
Depends on your Desktop Environment and distro.
Ubuntu with Unity or Manjaro KDE won't make you use terminal as much. But you will learn how to use bash eventually and inevitablly
>>4. Compared to Windows, how easy is customization and optimization? (This doesn't equate to the options available, but more how accessible they are for non-power users.)
Way too easy
>>5. How is the program support for [distro]?
All linux distro has the same kind of support for softwares.
For Arch/Manjaro:
If there is any software written for Linux, chances are AUR (much like an unofficial appstore) already has it
>>54219982
I laughed out loud at "I installed gentoo because I couldn't get KDE to show the fucking right time on my clock in Red Hat"
>>54218853
>specially Manjaro, which has its own repos iirc
So it's the only Arch based distro that's actually stable?
>>54220444
Arch is quite stable since systemd is adopted
I am not implying systemd is the reason for it. On the contrary Manjaro may be a bit unstable
>Why
Manjaro is a week or two behind Arch updates. The AUR is maintained with Arch packages in mind. If the updates are held back in manjaro, chances are there are compatibility issues. Manjaro is a great distro but this is one true fault
>>54220503
Bottom line:
OP should use something like Mint first, then use Manjaro if he wants to change bistro and ultimately start using Arch like the rest of us
>>54220533
/thread
>>54220503
>Manjaro is a great distro but this is one true fault
Sure looks trustworthy
https://archive.is/JeOLo
https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=21.0
>>54220575
Yeah, how about this?
Alos NIN
No one gives a hint of shit about a NIN vidya logo
>>54217746
but anon, it's true that portage shits all over pacman
>>54217540
For installation use the wiki, alongside some Pajeets beginner install guide, like on linuxveda. Then go to unixporn, find a rice that matches the environment you want and replace your dotfiles with theirs
Save yourself the bullshit and use Ubuntu.
>>54220956
I recommend setting up i3 and replacing bash with zsh. Be familiar with Linux before jumping ship to arch/gentoo or you will get pretty lost. Install guides/scripts are pretty fool proof, but if you can't at least install correct drivers and update software you should start elsewhere
>>54220019
I don't use Arch like you :^)
>>54217411
Start with a more user-friendly derivative of Arch such as Manjaro then switch to Arch once you're more confident.
>>54220987
No thanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI3S19ceEsM
New Arch fag here. What's a good file browser that allows dual panes and double clicking empty space within the browser to move up a directory?
I'm using Nemo at the moment and hearing about how 'customisable' Linux is, I was sure the double click functionality would be in the options somewhere but I suppose I'm forced to look at less lightweight solutions?
>>54217495
> posting and actually believing retarded memes. Being a mouthbreather
>>54221332
You can try spacefm, but i'm not sure it can move up a directory like that.
Pcmanfm is better integrated with gvfs and stuff, so if you are willing to sacrifice the need for that double click behaviour, have a look at it.
>>54220230
>>54220230
>someone out there who isn't utterly retarded
That person is most definitely not you. Aren't you tired of having your hand held all the time ? Try to form some of your own opinions, use your intellect and strengthen it. Clamouring for spoonfeeding, especially while being a sandy butthole, isn't going to win you any favours.
>>54220533
What's the advantage of Mint over Ubuntu with Cinnamon/Mate?
>>54220636
Now make a diagram for useful information on their websites/wikis.
>>54217411
No. Just install Arch into a VM and experiment it. Then go for it in bare metal. No need to use other distros.
