Is it worth getting 970 over 960?
>>54200774
no because the 970 is hardley better than the 960 its only 10 units better, thats 1.047% increase in performance
3.5
>>54200808
this right here. whatever you do though, do it quick. prices for those cards might rise soon.
good thing you came here for advice, man. godspeed, Anon.
>>54200774
>2010 - ln(e^6) * i^2
>still considering buying a gimped 3.5 card
You can't be that retarded
I have the 970strix. It's a pretty good card and hasn't failed me on any game yet. It runs my vive perfectly and ive had 0 issues with Lagg or stuttering.
http://videocardz.com/59266/nvidia-pascal-gp104-gpu-pictured-up-close
Pascal GTX 1070 8GB GDDR5 soon
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-gp104-gpu-gddr5x-leak/
Pascal GTX 1080 8GB GDDR5X coming also
>>54200808
Is the difference really that different?
>970
i mean, really? despite all the shit it got i mean, really, are we still talking about this meme of card? jesus man.. . . jesus right.. idk woooooo senpai
i mean, this is some stockholm syndrome stuff going on, how is it even possible.
>>54200890
Can't wait to have that sweet 512mb of GDDR5X and 3.5GB of GDDR5!
>>54200908
I meant to say Is the difference really that small? I just want a game that
>>54200987
I checked the archive before asking this question and more posters on this board have 970 than 960
>970
enjoy your 15-30 stuttering fps in gta5
>>54200774
yes, a R9 390 is definitely worth getting over those.
>>54201161
Source?
>>54201169
>>54200774
Just wait, polaris (amds) is coming out in a few months. Everything dx12/vulkan is using Asynchronous compute and the perfomrnace diffierence is huge. Also, nvidia can't do Asynchronous compute so the gtx970 stutters like shit in dx12/vulkan (like quantum break for example) while lesser amd gpus perform better. Nvidia bet on the wrong horse, and amd capture the console market and with vulkan the devs will solely focus on that as well as moving it back to pc.
>>54200774
>Mfw my old 770 4GB OC rapes 960's and has 512mb more than a 970K
KEK
>>54201399
Can confirm the stuttering is horrible DX12 is unplayable on nvidia GPU's
Its DX11 launch in 2009 all over again
anyone who gets a 970 is a retard willingly getting cucked by nvidia.
>>54201491
Anyone who wants to play DX12 games are shit out of luck as well even the new 1080 series doesnt have async compute.
Nvidia have fucked up and their drivers have been terrible all year
>>54201059
> I checked the archive before asking this question and more posters on this board have 970 than 960
Many people also have a Mac, why don't you get one as well?
People in general are stupid. Those who brought a 970 even after knowingly being fucked over in ram by nvidya are just retarded fanboys. Don't be another retard buying meme card just because it's popular.
>>54201499
> Anyone who wants to play DX12 games are shit out of luck as well even the new 1080 series doesnt have async compute.
I won't be so quick to judge the 1080 series. Lots of things are fixable. Nvidia actually pushed for async back then but then dropped it for whatever reason.. probably to save money.
But I do agree with how current nvidya cards suck balls for DX12.
>>54201399
How's AMD drivers? I heard they fuck up often. I also do GL stuff on Linux and I know AMD distributes fuckall for Linux drivers.
>>54201547
That's fair, but again the problem is that AMD owns both PS4 and Xbox oner (and nintendos NX is using amds gpu).
Furthermore, polaris is being used on the PS4.5k coming out which has improved async performance, and all games going forward well take advantage of it including when its moved back to pc.
>>54201059
> I checked the archive before asking this question and more posters on this board have 970 than 960
Next time, instead of researching what's popular, you should just research benchmarks or frame tests.
For starter, go to digital foundry and look up frame rate videos.
>>54201547
Not having Hardware Async Compute cant be fixed by driver magic they are absolutely Fucked
Ashes of the Singularity may be a older game but the benchmarks perfectly prove how useless Nvidia GPU's are for current and next generation DX12 games
>>54201611
> Not having Hardware Async Compute cant be fixed by driver magic they are absolutely Fucked
I'm not saying they will fix it with a driver, I'm saying the 1080 series isn't even out yet and we don't know exactly what is in it yet. And I believe nvidia won't make the same mistake on that. I think they will put hardware async on their new line of cards.
>>54201611
hitman and quantaum break are also showing the same results.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK2BUeYqLVI
>>54200827
why would prices rise
>>54201647
they were already planed out before the issue arose, Pascal wont have it otherwise they would say so
>>54201647
here is a tip, if you think pascal is going to be different in architecture from maxwell in any way other than a die shrink and optimized pathways, you are being a cuck yet again
>>54201728
Lets wait until it comes out. I don't like jumping the gun.
>>54201649
Nvidia fags are in denial.
i just tried to play Quantum Break with my 4gb 770 oc and it was murdered couldnt even keep up 30fps same as ashes of the singularity.
I cant wait to get a 490 and crash nvidia come june
>>54201754
Well i do hope they have it for competition sake, cause honestly if they don't... its an amazingly dumb decision. Async is the next step of GPU future. Being able to use multi threads to properly render at the same time is going to give huge advances in framerate and also sync time which is needed for VR.
The 970 isn't worth the $300-350 at all. Get the 390
Remember that you're paying the same money for 3.5GB and 56 ROPs
Op should wait and get a 490 or 390x cheap
>>54201849
not op but i actually got rid of my 290 back in 2013 because it was a housefire and had memory issues.
i wish i got it rma'd and put a better cooler on it because now i am stuck with a 770 and i am kicking myself.
>>54201871
The 290 is known to be relatively unreliable and riddled with defects desu.
Best to save up for a month or two and get a new card that suits your needs, or better yet deal with it until the new cards are released.
>>54201888
yeah i remember getting 120fps in bf4 then it would crap out and bluescreen and artifact in the ass.
great card in 390 form the fury x looks amazing.
Considering getting the Duo Pro when it comes out
>buy the 960
>realise it's not VR ready, but the 970 is
>too late to return it
>>54202051
>Return it
>???
>Get 390
The 960 is literally a 770 and 680 4gb
>>54200903
7.5GB*
>>54202065
>too late to return it
>>54202113
Sell it on Overclockers for 2x what you paid for it.
Make sure to put this in the ad
>Good clocker nvidias fastest 960 ive had it up to 1.3ghz core on water no problem
>Selling because im rich and stupid please rape my face
>Recently RMA'd and got sent a fresh one (ive overclocked t he original too much and fried this as well lel)
>>54202080
Dont forget the 256bit memory :(
>>54201518
>Many people also have a Mac
Mac has like 5% market share
Will the announcement for the new cards be in June? Or will that actually be the release? I can't wait anymore.
>>54202149
Lol.
Nah, I think I'll wait until VR is more developed and cheaper before I upgrade.
>>54202161
Seconded, I'm just here saving money. I want to at least know if it's going to be worth it.
>>54202161
should be release time, hold steady brother
>>54202161
Annoucement before june
Release in june
Availablity late June-July i assume
>>54202204
VR is useless mate i looked into it there is no games and to get 2.5k at steady fps you need a beastly PC and at least a 390
>>54200827
Why would the price rise?
>>54202210
I've got the money, but refuse to spend it on a new card now. I mean, 980ti would be overkill, 980 is terrible price/performance wise, 970 is gimped. The 390 is based on 5 year old technology, the 380 is already too weak performance-wise to keep modern games at 1080p and 60fps.
So, all in all it's a shitty situation.
>>54202213
Would be nice, then I only need to decide between AMD and nvidia. Both kinda suck at the moment.
>>54202227
why not?
Retailers are scum
>>54202246
i got a 290 and havent had any problems, though AMD will be the way to go next gen since Async compute and whatver
>>54202246
>The 390 is based on 5 year old technology
>290
>5 years old
Try 3 years old buddy
>muh 7970/7990
So? If its a good base why not keep it?
Its exactly what nvidia did with the 600 series
Ironically even the oldest GCN had async compute Nvidia fucked up badly by not adding hardware async in the 900 series and it shows the 700 series was just a rehash of the 600 series like t he 900 series brah
>>54202219
Which is why I said I'll wait
It's "worth" getting an R9 380 over a 960, especially if you're going for the 4GB version. It's cheaper, and better. 390 > 970 also.
That being said, unless you are unable to stuff right now, this is one of the rare times where waiting may actually be the right call. Not to buy new stuff because on launch there's usually a very high premium, but because when it does launch the old stuff usually gets heavy discounts.
>>54202334
I doubt their will be a 3rd Gen VR
We will probably see 4-8k VR but if the games and interest isnt there it will fade away like it did previously.
i still remember the 3D glasses push and that died almost as quick as the hype for avatar sequels.
Basically their only good application is for Sims and anything else that benefits from high refresh rates.
Save your money and get a 27" QHD or 4K display for like $400
>>54202374
I think VR will change. Right now it's really fucking unique and great. Vive is amazing. What they failed to realize, though: Most people play games to have fun and relax. If you can't play the game while sitting down, you're not going to do it for long.
I mean, there will be an audience for that, like Wii Fit people, laser tag fans and so on, but the comfy PC chair / couch crowd won't really flock to the Vive.
>>54202371
>AMD
>>54202428
Vive needs like a 8x10 room to be fully usable though its not really suited to poorfag gamers or basement dwellers like me with a cluttered 3x6 room
That said if the vive 2 came out and was worth the weight (sorry) 4k and had no tracking niggles and was only say 500usd i'd jump at it just for sims alone but it has no support or sims.
a shame because i was really looking forward to 4k+ VR just purely for racing sims
>>54202300
>the 390 doesn't profit from better yield rates
>>54202613
So?
Thats like saying the 490 will have shit yield because its 14nm which it wont
Besides shit yields is more of a nvidia thing
Kepler anyone?
>>54202610
Yeah, even rich people usually have stuff in a room. Only very few people will have either an empty room or a room they can repurpose in order to enjoy the VR at its fullest. It's ... a lot of work. Doable, sure, but it requires a lot of involvement and preparation.
I'm looking forward to seeing how the headsets themselves will evolve. How I'd be able to use one while sitting down and still get the 'VR experience'.
>>54202635
i actually meant the whole refined production process hence the 390 uses less wattage at higher clocks. it's not like it simply has been relabeled
>>54202300
>Nvidia fucked up badly by not adding hardware async
I hadn't really thought about it before, but this is kind of odd considering ATI built tessellation into their GPUs in 2001, long before Nvidia did. The ATI team has been pretty good about adding good features. I wonder why Nvidia didn't think this one was a good addition
>>54202647
so basically what you want is a occulus rift but facebook can get fucked.
>>54202650
we wont be hitting 10-5nm until 202x at least
>>54202663
Because they are cheapskates
NVIDIA recycle 5year old cards and just reduce the manufacturing process.
They used to have good drivers but now they have neither a good base for new cards (Pascall fucking sucks and they know it hence the sperging out about async benchmarks) and now their drivers are horrible since 364
i havent seen them fuck up this bad in over 6 years.
its what made me get a 6970 and now a 490
>>54202151
In 3rd world countries maybe. At least 30-40% of students own Macs, even in /g/-related courses.
it's worth to get R9 380X
>>54203649
>Gets rekt by a 3 year old 280 still
Nah get a 390 or a 490 op
My 960 and 5800k APU (kek) runs ark SoTF on the setting just below the max which would be named "epic". I think it's either "high" or "ultra".
Runs at about 32-50 fps max below 60ish and 24 min which would be just at the start where all the particle effects are when you drop down into the center starting area.
GTX 960 Price: ~$190
GTX 970 Price: ~$320
Assuming your primary use is video games, you yourself can answer the question if the increase in performance is worth the price difference.
Go look up more benchmarks so see the differences in performance
>>54204847
Especially considering you can get a 290 that assblasts it cheap second hand. Or just get a 380.
A ref 290 is $200 which trade blows with 970, actual 4gb, and full dx12 support. It is also does twice the performance of the 960.
>but muh power consumption
It will take 10+ years for the 290 to equal the 970 in price.
>>54202647
This, luckily my bosses love this stuff, so they've got a vive and re purposed a room in the office for it. Can't see any want for it personally, but if it's in a nice space and only on occasion I'm sure it's fine, Been too busy and tired to have a go on it yet.
>>54200774
None because next-gen cards will come out in 2 months
>>54202428
VR is amazing for games where you are sitting though, think in car cockpits and planes. Currently with a similar wrap around vision you need a bunch of huge ass monitors.
The movement thing is a fad.
970 and at least you have the option to play VR if you so choose
960 and you're obsolete before even starting
>Buy 970
>Driver crashing in most games
>randomly disconnects from pc
>3.5gb
>graphic glitches in most games
>coil whine
WHY DIDIN'T I BOUGHT R9 390
>tfw running a 950
Same shit as my i7 3770, i still don't have a reason to upgrade.
>>54206629
How is Minecraft and WoW going for you?
Buying either card would be like buying a PS3 for $600 right now.
>tfw i bought 970
>when my cpu is still i5 2500k 5ghz
>>54206646
I never played those games but i can max the games i play like CS:GO, WoT and WT at 1080p so still not reason to upgrade.
>bought a GTX 980
>CPU is a stock FX-8350
>>54206673
Nothing wrong with that, i5s are the best money/performance hardware you can buy. Pic related.
>>54206673
>5ghz
literally no cpu can achieve this without stability issues
>>54206832
If you have a good chip with proper cooling you can
decent video from digital foundry that showcases the 960, 970, 380, and 390 all against each other.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bskn6L8cBi4
they only bench dark souls 3 but it gives you a great indication on performance differences.
>tldr 390 and 970 run virtually at a solid 60fps
>380 and 960 drop all the way down to 40 and average in the 50's
>380 and 960 are pretty close to one another
>>54201457
>Nvidiatards bragging over 512 mb of gpu ram
holy fuck kek
>>54202219
>VR is useless mate
>i looked into it
So you haven't personally tried it? Because although it's definitely expensive and time-consuming, it's also fucking stunning.
>>54201059
Those are two entirely different price ranges for performance ranges moron. More people own a 960 because it's worth its price. People don't own a 970 because it's a trashy card.
>>54201607
this version is more accurate.
>>54201562
AMD is no longer releasing fglrx support, if that's what you're asking. The OpenGL features on the radeonsi and radeon drivers are nearing compliance with 4.4 at the moment, so you're not losing out on shader features, that's for sure. In terms of performance and power profiles, on Linux especially, it's still a mile ahead of nouveau. AMDGPU-PRO is the binary being released right now to support the latest AMD GPU hardware on Linux and it's improving quite quickly, even though a lot of people seem to think that nVidia is the de facto for gaming on Linux. Just run DRI3, the latest versions of Mesa and LLVM.
On Windows the driver gap isn't big at all. It is expected that AMD lags somewhat behind on the later GPUs, like the Fiji GPUs seem to still need performance tuning to get up to par.
>>54209753
oy mate
get the 970
>>54209753
meanwhile at AMD
960 is trash in comparison
but really, get a 390
>>54209800
>>54201399
IIRC only Ashes of the Singularity is using async compute, not Hitman or Quantum Break.
>>54209850
> it even has 3.5 fans
>>54209791
This, it's why the 970 is the most popular gpu on Steam. People don't trust AMD.
>>54209911
>>54201049
No, these guys are tryin to fuck ur dik. The 10xx series is about to come out, prices are gonna DROP if you know what I mean. So if you want a 970 wait like 2 weeks and by that time you'll be able to afford a 980.
>>54200774
wait until pascal comes out then get the 980 ti for much cheaper
Not OP but I have a 960 and I'm thinking about an upgrade
Should I wait for these 10xx cards or buy a 980?
this is my first time actively paying attention to a new line of gpus coming out
what's the typical price drop for when a new line comes out? i.e when the 1070 gtx comes out what are 970s gonna probably be around? cause they've been $350 since launch
Bought a 960 a year ago. I only wanted to play GTA and I've moved to Linux since September 2015, full time.
960 is a very nice htpc card, h.265 HW accel, 970/980(ti) can't do that plus quiet and less power hungry.
Plus, it's well supported in Linux or OSX, should you want to go hackintosh.
For the price, it's great but for performance, you should look elsewhere or wait.
