Why are CS degrees so dumbed down these days?
In the span of 30 years, CS went from being a branch of applied mathematics to Certified Java job training for enterprise software development.
>>54189693
biebs is right
Its an attempt by companies to get more people into tech so wages can be lowered
>>54189693
so schools can get more money for the people in the program
if they made it hard and everyone dropped out first/second year they wouldnt get as much in tuition
but if they dumb it down and make it so anyone who can look long enough to find the answers online they can pass people through with easy Cs and promise them the opportunity of a high paying job at the end of the tunnel
then those people tell others to go into CS who don't really have any business being there
and the legend continues
>>54189693
You went to a shit school
>>54189779
What's the most advanced math you took?
>>54189774
also to add to this a lot of colleges (in america at least) have vastly different requirements for CS bachelors
any college that has CS as part of their liberal arts department is probably a fucking joke
>>54189791
What's the most advanced computer architecture class you took?
>>54189855
Only one titled that, but several on related things like distributed computing, networking and parallel programming
>>54189731
This is what I feel like it has become. My uni (51-100 ranking in CS) has a dropout rate of 60% for CS. Only 30% of my year's students passed the introductory programing course, i.e. basic Java, on the first attempt.
The result? Every class I take has obligatory, usually weekly, deadlines to make sure students actually study.
These people have been told their entire life by their parents how good they are with computers, so they finish high school and go into CS because they think they'll get 10/10 grades and finish the bachelor in three years and get a job coding the future while drinking overpriced watery Starbucks coffee. I wish my uni would just man up and tell these students that they don't belong here, instead of lowering the value of my education.
>>54189791
I only took a small amount of calculus, and a lot of discrete math. I don't think any kind of mathematics besides discrete is important except for some very specific scientific applications or linear algebra for graphics programming.
>>54189923
And how advanced were they?
I mean, this is an excerpt of some things I did in various classes
>programmed a kernel/OS for x86
>implemented a routing protocol for MANETs and ran it on real devices while running around in a parking lot
>programmed a video encoder that used GPU offloading (Nvidia CUDA)
>in the same course as above, we took the same encoder and ported it to the Cell Broadband Engine and ran it on actual PS3s
For my master thesis, I implemented a modification to TCP and I'm currently trying to get it accepted in the Linux kernel (it's a bit of an effort because the code hooks right into fast path in the TCP engine which kernel devs generally don't like).
>>54189693
Because all the smart people go into ECE+Math
>>54189693
Because anyone who wants to learn CS with half a functioning brain just self studies the material. Only a fool would pay money for some professor to read Sipser to you.
>mfw when I am taking numerical analysis
>mfw when other cse take Calc 3 tops
>mfw I still have to take more math
Fug...
>>54189693
getting women into the industry tbqhf
>>54190457
Can't speak for the rest of the world but most guys at my university have no clue what they're doing either
>>54189693
because programs range from coding schools which are a scam to pretty much applied math.
>>54191772
>to pretty much applied math
There are no programs that are "pretty much applied math". Stop kidding yourself
>>54191822
true but that's good because you don't really need super complex math for much software engineering.
>>54189693
CS degrees aren't dumbed down, but there are dumbed down CS degrees and they're becoming increasingly popular. It's just a consequence of the entire world going to shit in every single way.
>>54191822
All real CS degrees are.
It's not just CS. Humanities degrees used to teach critical thinking and created philosophers and historians. Now it pushes everyone through an SJW filter and puts unemployable pissed off feminists out the other side. This is what happens when you let everyone (including the mentally incompetant) go to college. All undergrads are incompetant
>>54189731
It has alot to do with businesses. MBAs don't understand what IT does (and have power over us), Finance believes they can be in IT even though they're just beancounters, and everyone else has no concept of what IT does other than "They fix the computers".
A bit of a tangent but that "They fix the computers" mentality has equated many positions to Janitor.
>>54191974
>IT
>related to CS in any way
>IT
>ever not literally janitors
Top kek pajeet, top kek.
>>54189745
I'm a taco because I believe I'm a taco. I don't need some institution to tell me that.
>>54189693
I don't know familia. I thought it would be different in my country, but unfortunately if wasn't. Was able to transfer to electro-engineering the same year. Feels good.
>>54191993
CS includes IT dipshit. THIS is why people make fun of CS degrees on /g/. Sure, you learned a programming language but you don't know anything about the infrastructure.
>>54192025
>this is what pajeet believes
MY FUCKING SIDES!
I was just memeing but then it was actually reality! Fucking L E L.
>>54191903
>He thinks discrete """""math""""" and computablity theory is applied math
>>54192043
>Doesn't understand how the magic box under his desk works
>>54191880
All CS degrees are dumbed down. Worse schools don't even have CS and just relabel IT as CS.
>>54192082
Graph theory and combinatorics are very much real math
>>54192043
You couldn't sound more like a NEET if you tried.
>>54192101
>All CS degrees are dumbed down.
No. However, most schools merged SE and CS together so you have to explicitly choose a courseload that is CS and not SE. If you're going to be a codemonkey you don't actually care and want SE anyway, and if you actually want to do CS your RD will tell you what you need, so it doesn't affect anyone except tards who don't know what they want to do with their life. In that setting, CS is only as dumbed down as whoever is majoring in it.
Still, many schools continue to correctly differentiate between CS and SE. In those schools, CS is not dumbed down no matter how you look at it.
>Worse schools don't even have CS and just relabel IT as CS.
This is true, though.
>>54192125
Also theoretical computer science and optimization theory.
>>54191923
It's more to do with postmodernism drivel being acceptable in place of actual arguments/knowledge that killed the humanities and gave rise to SJWs and feminazis. And postmodernism caught on because the old Greek precept of learning to reason with logic and mathematics before you ever think of attempting to study the humanities was disastrously thrown out at the turn of the 20th century.
For people like me who will never understand combinatorics, let alone proofs.
The way it is now at my uni 30% of the math lecture is about proofs while only 10% of the exam asks about proofs. If it were 30% in the exam too I would have dropped out by now.
>>54192125
And very much unlearned in CS
>>54192025
wow, pajeet, you really think that administering SCCM and installing windows is the same as algorithm complexity theory?
>>54192146
>In those schools, CS is not dumbed down no matter how you look at it
I dare you to post 1 example where CS isn't dumbed down.
>>54189942
Your uni doesn't sound like it ought to be 51-100 for CS.
Then again, probably better than mine, which is just about 100% chinese & indians.
>>54192405
ps. your ancestors used to be mathematicians
>>54192405
What is HPC?
Oh wait, that's above your shitty BSCS.
>>54192313
>thinking what's on the exam is important
you should be paying attention in the lectures and asking good questions to your professors
>>54192341
I love this meme, say it again!
>>54192405
>administering SCCM
Did you learn that in your classes in Bangalore? That's the work you give to the techs just above service desk.
>>54192450
>mfw i was an "IT admin" at a large university campus when i was 18, now have a M.S. in mathematics and Ph.D in combinatronics from MIT, and I now work at SpaceX.
tell me again, how difficult it is to putting lego blocks together?
>>54191974
IT is being a computer Janitor
>>54192415
MIT
Stanford
Yale
Georgia tech
UoW
UoT
UoM
UCL
NYU
ETHz
Off the top of my head.
>>54192512
>an "IT admin" at a large university campus
Babby's first IT job
>>54192509
>That's the work you give to the techs just above service desk.
I.e. pajeets.
>>54189731
In some countries, ex Argentina, CS is still a branch of math.
Sadly is kinda useless on industries so you better study Informatic Engineering.
T. IE.
>>54192532
Programming is throwing code together you found on google and hoping it works.
Dumbass.
>>54192548
your point is what? that it gets harder the more you progress?
IT Is a dead end, knowledge-wise. it's why i quit, after i fell out of love with it.
>>54192557
And this guy apparently
>>54192512
IT includes developers, System administrators, Network administrators, and DBAs.
>>54192562
To be fair, 99% of those currently in IT wanted to be programmers but were too stupid to even do that.
>>54192564
>IT Is a dead end
So 150k+/yr is a dead end?
>>54192577
>IT includes developers, System administrators, Network administrators, and DBAs.
ah, so you want to be associated with smart people, without actually being smart, so that dumb people will mistakenly believe you are as smart?
>>54192560
CS leads into academia. The fact that CS now means SE is why it's often good enough for code monkey jobs.
We have to go back.
>>54192592
Well, seeing as I'm a System Administrator by your logic I'm associating with the dumber ones.
>>54192590
>So 150k+/yr is a dead end?
pretty much; compared to my 7/year i made at babby's first "combinatronics" gig.
>>54192611
How do you live making $7 a year?
>>54192611
and before anyone asks why i'm still on /g/. i've been coming here since i was 16. it's a part of my life. don't judge me.
>>54192611
>combinatronics
Kek
>>54192631
that's why i put it in quotes.
would have been more accurate if i said """""combinatronics"""""
>>54192543
>MIT
Doesn't even have a pure CS program
>Yale
Is shit and everyone knows it.
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2895102/cringely/tech-startups-to-yale-grads-go-to-a-real-school.html
>>54192618
i think he means 7 HUNNID BANDZ, nigga
>>54192643
It's combinatorics.
>>54192625
>don't judge me.
This is how I know you've never made a notable amount of money. You're probably still 16.
>>54192592
the code monkey is mad, isn't there a loo you should be pooping into pajeet ?
>>54192577
aka interface monkeys and interface gluers
>>54192645
No idea why I wrote yale when I meant CMU.
Eitherway, MIT eecs combines ee and cs while allowing either paths. It's an OR kind of relation.
>>54192577
Wow, I didn't know there were so many fancy ways to say "computer janitor" in the English language!
>>54192669
>Has no concept of the complexity of configuring mass network deployments
I'm not referring to your little 2 office SMB. Try maintaining thousands of servers across hundreds of sites. That includes Windows, Unix, and Linux.
>>54192660
i fucked up, okay? i'm sorry!
>>54192701
>Calls all of CS computer janitors
>>54192711
>gee, my IT job is sure complicated, if I think it's complicated, (and I'm the smartest goy I know :^) ) then in must me really hard stuff. probably the hardest job in the world :^)
My mommy sure is proud of me
>>54192729
>Gee, my position as an administrative assistant sure is difficult. My boss makes me bend over and does something that feels kinda funny when I do.
It's ok to admit you're a potato.
>>54192711
Eh there's no point in even trying, pajeet can't understand you.
>>54192725
>Pleas sir call me of cs, no it sir pleas
I'll give you 1 rupee to fuck off, rajesh.
>>54192025
IT is not part of CS curriculum.
Completely different disciplines.
CS is a math based degree.
>>54192777
>>54192776
>Web developers get mad when you tell them they aren't snowflakes.
I'm sawy, did I hit a nerwve?
>>54192711
wut is SCOM?
>>54192814
>Wut is Linux and Unix
>Wut is knowing how to configure the network devices so SCOM doesn't shit itself
>>54192804
Holy shit, pajeet, you're literally so indian that I'd bet that you're literally posting from your iphone while shitting in a designated street in india RIGHT NOW. You literally couldn't make yourself up to be more indian than that. If I didn't know any better I'd ask you to stop this poor parody.
>>54192838
you're fucktarded. macs have native AD and GP support.
Linux has Landscape, and MAAS, but you don't even need it becaues SCCM can PXE deploy linux images natively, and you just have to set them up. you're the rajeet.
>>54192802
You're right on IT not being part of the curriculum. That's part of the problem. You know how to code but you can't figure out why it breaks shit.
As for Math there's at least as much science at a reputable university:
http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/Programs/Notes/section2.shtml
>>54192645
>Is shit and everyone knows it.
You realize that it's shit BECAUSE it's a "pure CS program" that focuses on theory, right?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-06/want-a-job-in-silicon-valley-after-yale-good-luck-with-that
>Yale's computer science department has focused more on theory than practical applications, unlike Stanford University
>>54192853
like i said, i've been doing this in production in real life since i was 18
>>54192853
>macs
I meant Solaris fucktard, AKA something enterprise actually uses.
>Linux has Landscape, and MAAS,
You mean Ubuntu, kill yourself.
>>54192853
>deploy linux images natively
>Believes image deployment is the only thing you have to manage
Wow, it's great you know so much about system administration. Maybe you should go apply at Google.
Protip: they'll laugh you out of the office.
>>54192725
but you are
>>54192870
You managed SCCM in a university environment. No Group Policy, no extensive network layout (and no MPLS or VPN config), pretty much just imaging computers based on a golden image.
>>54192890
Jimmies not rustled.
>>54192802
>CS is a math based degree.
That's like saying Biology is a math based degree
>>54192905
>implying GP wasn't used on a regular basis
i also worked as a WAN engineer for a year
>>54192955
Lemme guess, they called you a WAN engineer when all you did was perform initial configuration on switches.
because women can't get internet on ubuntu
>>54192645
Yale has CS50 now. The old program is non-existing. They're partnered with Harvard. At least do some research if you're gonna make claims, instead of puttong some bullshit hobo article in which the hobo blames Yale for ending up on the curb.
>>54192971
and archetecture (had to be approved by higher ups, i admit) sourcing, and troubleshooting with spanning tree when they went down.
why u projecting so hard, scrub?
if you don't go to one of the top 30 cs universities in the world (at least) you shouldn't even bother
>>54193026
Still configuring switches. Not projecting brah, if you're going to talk like you know, you best know.
>>54193031
here's the latest ranking btw
http://www.shanghairanking.com/SubjectCS2015.html
>yale at 50
lmao people unironically pay to go to yale
>>54192927
No, it would be like saying that biology is a chemistry-based degree which it is.
>>54193011
Tbf I've never heard of yale producing anything useful in my field of research so he's probably right at least at some levels.
>>54193066
If you're going to argue that then literally every degree leads back to math.
>tfw CS majors at my school don't have to take Physics I and II, despite being under the "School of Engineering"
You motherfuckers
>>54193121
They should at least be taken as electives. I'm sure most of the CS students take underwater faggotry instead.
>>54193082
Nice strawman.
>>54193188
Sociology is applied psychology
Psychology is applied Biology
Biology is applied Chemistry
Chemistry is applied Physics
Physics is applied Mathematics
>>54189693
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>>54193188
>>54193228
Computer Science is also applied Physics.
>>54193228
No.
Theoretical physics is applied mathematics.
Chemistry is not physics.
Biology is chemistry.
Psychology is not biology (but it takes from it).
Sociology isn't psychology (but it takes from it).
Again, though, nice strawman my man.
>>54193254
Wait, no, it'd go
Computer Science - Electrical Engineering - Physics
>>54193277
Fuck off already pajeet.
>>54193275
How is chemistry not an extension of physics?
Chemistry is the observation of the interaction of particles which are governed by the laws of physics.
Psychology is applied Biology in that the actions are governed by biological components. If not for Biology, Psychology would not exist.
You can deduce the Sociology bit from there.
>>54193298
>Pajeet is now his only argument regardless of whether it makes sense
I feel sorry for you.
>>54193275
kek
>>54193275
>Theoretical physics is applied mathematics.
"waah why don't physicists learn about complex analysis and manifolds, not rigorous enuff"
>Biology is chemistry.
"oh no biologists aren't taking RIGOROUS courses on thermodynamics and crystallography, trash degrees nowadays"
Just as theoretical physics is a subset of math, and biology is a subset of chemistry, CS is a subset of math. That doesn't mean that including "practical application" courses on programming is indicative of a decrease in rigor.
>>54193310
Some elements of chemistry overlap with physics in the same way that some elements of IT overlap with janitorial duties. Pretty much every domain (even IT, especially with DBA, see pi-calculus) deal with math in some way, that doesn't mean they are math.
Psychology is not applied biology because on the science side, it's based on external observations of living organisms whereas biology is concerned with the physical makeup of living organisms. Psychology can 100% live without biology and in fact has existed long before biology did. You can deduce the sociology bit form there. And also kill yourself for being literally this retarded.
>>54193392
>get called out on throwing strawmen around time and again
>I know, I'll build another strawman, that'll show them!
>>54193446
Pajeet, please. Haven't you made yourself enough of a fool already.
>>54193450
>"muh strawman" lets me get out of answering the second part of the post
>>54193425
Science and Math are not opposing things. Math can be used to deduce all of science.
>elements of IT overlap with janitorial duties
Yup, the same can be said of nearly any subject.
>>54192417
>he fell for the "asians are bad at technology" meme
>>54189731
i don't get how so many schools focus on java. how do you teach someone how computers work without getting into C and assembly? i don't even go to a high-ranked CS school and it's better than that.
>>54193446
>Computer Science a subset of sociology
Yea, that's why Sociologists and Psychologists are major contributors to the modern world. If not for them we wouldn't have working phones, computers, networks, or the tons of things that have spawned from there.
Electrical Engineers design it, programmers build applications on it, the rest of CS maintains it and occasionally hacks it for additional features.
>>54193491
>assembly
Assembly is the defining point for considering a degree being worth anything. If they didn't have to learn Assembly, chances are they have no clue how the computer works.
>>54193467
>Math can be used to deduce all of science.
I kek'd. By this logic painting can be used to deduce all of science.
>>54193228
+1 for the XKCD reference redditbro XDDDDDDDDDDD
>>54193510
Enough, pajeet. Any more than that and we'll have to report you to the nearest mental institute.
>>54193525
That's true for EE and codemonkey degrees, but not for CS. Optimization, graphs, simulation and theoretical computer science are the benchmarks for CS.
>>54193554
>Optimization, graphs, simulation
....
You're referring to a type of reporting, not a science.
>>54193540
We'll talk when you actually go to college.
>>54193547
You're bad at this.
>>54193716
Not sure if pajeet or rajesh.jpg
>>54193756
Not sure if completely retarded or has no experience.jpg
>>54193734
I literally have a PhD in math.
>>54193774
Sure you do. I bet you have a girlfriend and you don't spend a ridiculous amount of time on /g/.
>>54189979
This guy gets it, add probability/statistics and set and graph theory and that's all the real maths you need for baseline computer science.
>>54189693
It's not, it's just that CS is a mathematics subfield, not a computers one. Most people think CS is a science like physics and chemistry, when they hear "computer science".
But in fact CS is just a discipline that deals with mathematics of computation, most people don't realize that until they're right in the middle of first semester. Since most people aren't too good at maths, that get the fuck out of the branch, thus the high dropout rate.
But I have to agree, most CS grads might have a good level of theoretical knowledge, but schools should try to impart some practical too. There are CS grads out there who can't install an OS if given a live USB. There are CS grads who haven't heard of FOSS software. There are CS grads who couldn't code a fizzbuzz.
What good are theoretical skills if you can't apply them? Most companies don't require a computer scientist but an engineer, though they often hire the prior and have them trained
>>54189942
Kids getting convinced by their parents that they are intelligent is a real epidemic.
>>54194115
>most CS grads might have a good level of theoretical knowledge
HAHAHAHAHAHA, no.
>>54194232
"Might" bro, but they have shit practical knowledge
>>54189992
Tell us more about your TCP changes. What does it do, how does it work, why should we care? Sounds interesting.
>>54189731
Pretty much this.
Literally the first two intro to CS classes at my uni (UW) are Java courses. It's cancerous how elitist the CS majors are
>>54193554
If you did any CS degree without assembly I would throw your application out the window.
How can you optimize an algorithm without understanding how it is executed?
>>54194308
Why would I apply for a codemonkey job when I have a CS degree? Are you crazy?
>>54189693
abstraction
>>54194248
>>54194424
If you want to make any money with that degree you'll have to be able to code.
>>54193802
My schools IT program requires calc, discrete and stat/prob
>>54194992
If I want to make 1/3rd of what I make right now, maybe. Shoo, shoo, little pajeet.
>>54193062
Mfw my university is 30 ranks ahead of Yale and I got in with shit grades. At least my school teaches C, assembly, proper data structures, combinatorics other discrete math topics, and has average salaries of >$70,000 out of college. Feels good to not go to a meme school.
>>54193491
They're not bad at technology
They're fucking autistic and can't speak english.
>>54189992
How do you get time to implement all these in the short span of time? I mean, are these your major classes?
Was your OS basic or was with paging, file system, graphics engine etc.?
>>54193062
>Shanghai rankings
Hello xiao Lee
http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2016/computer-science-information-systems#sorting=rank+region=+country=+faculty=+stars=false+search=
I don't know man, I just want to work programming shit at home to pay for my hobbies and food
>>54189693
>implying i actually rather get paid a lot of money
then being taught the actual science behind everything. plus I was already dumb enough to have a degree where everyone says what the fuck degree is that.
you wanna fight me about it
Sorry guys, I went to sleep.
>>54194284
It's called Redudant Data Bundling. If you have an application limited TCP flow, that is a TCP flow transmitting sub-MSS-sized packets and have quite few packets-in-flight, you may send so little data that you're never able to trigger fast retransmit and the only way of retransmitting is by RTO.
We exploit this by bundling previously sent but unacknowledged packets into the new ones. This means that if a packet is lost, it is recovered by the next (data) packet.
This has a huge impact on the experienced latency, and it's really quite neat. It was not my concept of course, I only did the implementation.
http://mlab.no/blog/2015/10/redundant-data-bundling-in-tcp/
https://riteproject.eu/resources/redundant-data-bundling/
You can also search the mailing lists.
>>54195521
>How do you get time to implement all these in the short span of time? I mean, are these your major classes?
Well, in Norway we use ECTS based system, and you need 30 ECTS per semester. Usually one class is 10 ECTS. The OS course was 20 ECTS though, because of the workload.
The routing protocol thing as well as the video encoder was master-level classes.
Here are the courses
http://www.uio.no/studier/emner/matnat/ifi/INF3151/
http://www.uio.no/studier/emner/matnat/ifi/INF5090/
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=inf5063
>Was your OS basic or was with paging, file system, graphics engine etc.?
No graphics engine (we got preexisting code for drawing stuff on to screen by writing into the VGA buffer), but we had to implement paging and a inode-based file system.
>>54198089
>https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=inf5063
Bah, I fucked up
http://www.uio.no/studier/emner/matnat/ifi/INF5063/
>>54198089
>>54189992
Shit, you've done more for your masters(?) than I will do in my lifetime.
>>54189693
Taco's only go to Taco Bell once. They dont visit and leave and come back there everyday.
>>54198349
"Taco" is an euphemism for Mexicans, right?
>>54198116
>>54198116
Ahh you go to UiO as well.
1 års student ved UiO/ifi her. Hvilke fag anbefaler du å ta?
>>54198394
Bachelor-kurs:
INF2220 (obligatorisk så meh)
INF2270
INF3190
INF3151
FYS3240 (om det fortsatt finnes)
INF2810
INF3380
Master-kurs:
INF5063 (kommer i ny variant til hosten)
UNIK4290
INF5050 eller UNIK4200
FYS4220
>>54198436
Ok takk.
Skal sjekke det ut.
>>54198448
Om du trenger bare å fylle opp med studiepoeng anbefaler jeg:
INF1300
INF3331
INF2100
Det er easy-mode kurs.
>>54198495
Nice. Men problemet er nok heller å klare å ta alle de beste fagene.
Tenker å jobbe neste semester i utlandet, men da får jeg ikke tatt de obligatoriske 3 semester fagene som 2220 etc. Er det noe problem for å ta 2xxx fag til neste vår og så ta de 3 semester fagene forst hosten neste år?
>>54198570
>Er det noe problem for å ta 2xxx fag til neste vår og så ta de 3 semester fagene forst hosten neste år?
Kort svar: Nei.
Men, husk på at noen kurs går bare vår og noen går bare host.
INF3151 er også 20 studiepoeng, og det krever såpass mye arbeid at du ikke burde ta noe vanskelig ved siden av. Anbefaler også på det sterkeste å ha tatt INF1060, INF2220, INF2270 og INF3190 for du tar INF3151.
>>54198591
>>54198570
Du kan også ta 3000 og 2000 kurs om hverandre, ingen bryr seg. Du må bare ha en overvekt av 2000 og 3000 kurs (altså ikke bare 1000).
>>54198591
Tenker å ta operativsystemer helt til slutt, så sent som mulig. Prover å ta 40 studiepoeng hvert semester nå. Så da trenger jeg nok bare å ta inf3151 alene. Virker som et spennende fag.
>>54198617
Ikke noe problem. Tar allerede 2080 og 2810 som extra nå.
>>54198633
Sorg også å få et snitt bedre enn C for å komme inn på master.
>>54189942
>told their entire life by their parents how good they are with computers
Mine did that too, but I was I was aware that I didn't know shit.
>>54198727
Skal ta master i utlandet. Så sikter på og får ett snitt som er hoyt.
Men takk for hjelp og tipsa.
>>54198825
Lykke til.
>>54189693
>Not doing a masters in CS.
>>54192599
Do americans not differentiate between CS and SE? Different degrees here.
>>54198790
Heh, I think that happened to 80% of the people here
>>54199336
Yeah, I don't understand it either. They're different degrees in my country, too, but it's extremely rare for it to be the case in america, even in good universities.
>>54198937
>Doing anything but a Bs in CS
>>54201369
>doing a bullshit in IT and calling it a bullshit in CS
>>54193547
literally this : >>54193755
you're embarrassing, man
>>54201783
>pajeet so angry he responded 13 hours later
In 13 hours, you could've learned to poo in the loo. Instead, you decided to think of a SHITpost.
This might not be the right thread, but I'll ask anyways. What's my best option for getting a pretty decent IT job with a 4 year degree in a totally unrelated (Humanities) field? If it means anything, I have really good grades from a good school. Should I just get a bunch of entry-level certifications?
>>54201881
Suicide and a better next life.
>relying solely on commercial institutions to educate and accredit you
>>54195061
lmao tel aviv uni?
technion master race reporting.
feels good not to be a filthy goy tbqh senpai
>>54203299
Technion is really good tbH. Don't know about tel aviv.
>>54194293
kek UW is such shit.
>>54204141
Better than the other shit unis in this state
>CS
>2016
Nice meme
Have fun competing with soccer moms for code monkey positions
CS is getting simpler and simpler because the level of abstraction and standardization in programming continues to grow proportionally with the amount of manhour input in the sector and the decrease in computing costs
Then again, it would be wrong to expect mentally retarded code monkeys to understand this
>>54193026
>>troubleshooting with spanning tree when they went down
>Current year
>Still using spanning tree
Holy shit m8 get out of the 90s.
>>54205006
Soon programming will be so abstract business analysts will develop solutions without any programmers
>>54205262
It will be a glorious era. CS will finally be CS again.
>>54205262
They already are. Where do you think the cloud/SaaS/PaaS meme is going? Also the lower the barrier of entry the more you have outsourcing to shitholes that can churn out functional code for pennies compared to anyone in a first world country (see IBM etc)
CS in 2016 is a tool to be used much like fundamental cert content IT knowledge. In a decade I guarantee it's generally going to be valued at the same level as IT certs (besides the few niche areas)
The main focus switched from algorithms to types.
>>54189942
>watery Starbucks coffee.
Americano drinkers can go to hell.
>>54205502
it's just their coffee in general dog
burnt and watered down
support local roasters/grinders/brewers etc
>>54199336
Same here, though SE doesn't exist as a degree.
If you want to just develop software, you do an apprenticeship
>>54193031
>when ur school is number 32
am I gonna be alright
>>54193446
>philosophy not literally all the way over on the right
science is applied philosophy
It is not just CS.
Students are too stupid, so you can either fail them (less money for the university) or you can lower the bar.
The only way to fix it is by having good professors who knows how to prepare, so they can teach the students to avoid having to lowering the bar.
>>54205569
A "Piccino" (Read as: What an ACTUAL macchiato is) from there is pretty passable, and my local has never burnt it yet on me.
But the coffee shops around here are pretty pish, we used to have a great one here, but fucking inbread midland English people don't know good coffee when they get it, and thus it died within 6 months.
Fuck this place.
>>54205848
Are you actually in the states? Starbucks outside the US tends to be actually pretty good (even though locals are still better).
>>54205924
Outside the US, so that makes sense.
>>54189992
fast path seems to be the newest thing for every faggot that tried to go around hardware NAT
>>54189992
>contributing to CUDA
PLEASE KILL YOURSELF
I graduated with a CS degree from a state school pretty recently.
I liked the program, most of the classes beyond a few programming and algorithms classes were broad electives. I got to take graduate level abstract algebra and a number theory course through the math department. There were software engineering classes that were basically shitty java certifications but no one forced us to take them.
>>54206148
Half the schools in top tier are actually dogshit, and you have school names repeating between top tier and bottom tier. 3/10, at least you tried.
>>54204074
i wonder how technion is perceived outside of israel, if it's even recognized. because i'm getting my ass torn open over here and i'm not sure if it's even worth it tbqh
In my mind you have 4 tiers.
Tier 1
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Carnegie Mellon University
Stanford University
University of California—Berkeley
University of Illinois—Urbana-Champaign
Cornell University
University of Washington
Princeton University
Georgia Institute of Technology
University of Texas—Austin
Tier II:
California Institute of Technology
University of Wisconsin—Madison
UCLA
University of Michigan—Ann Arbor
Columbia University
University of California—San Diego
University of Maryland—College Park
University of Pennsylvania
Brown
Purdue University—West Lafayette
Rice
University of Southern California
Duke University
University of North Carolina—Chapel Hill
University of Massachusetts—Amherst
Johns Hopkins University
New York University
Pennsylvania State University—University Park
University of California—Irvine
University of Minnesota—Twin Cities
University of Virginia
Tier III and below
Chicago
NC State
Boston University
Washington University in St. Louis
Virginia Tech
University of Utah
Texas A&M University—College Station
Dartmouth College
Rutgers (good in some fields)
Ohio State
Stony Brook University—SUNY
Tier 4 and below
College of William and Mary
University of Nebraska—Lincoln
University of Kansas
Auburn University
University of Central Florida
University of Kentucky
University of Oklahoma
West Virginia University
>>54201369
>Doing a Bs in CS instead of a degree in something interesting and a minor in CS
>>54206274
Much better list, but still has some shit-tier universities in tier 1 and 2.
>>54195061
>>54203299
>>54204074
>>54206192
Marry my daughter
>>54206448
Thanks, which do you consider shit-tier in list 1-2 and where would you place them?
>>54206274
Is Central Florida really on par with the likes of Oklahoma/Arkansas/Kansas??? What about UF?
>taking CS
>tfw suck at math but am good/decent at coding
oh god I am a code monkey
I hope I make pajeet proud
>>54206274
>tfw Texas CS/ECE
feelsgoodman
Anyone know how true is the stereotype of graduates not being able to code?
>>54206474
Texas -> 3
illinois -> 2
Washington -> 2
Wisconsin -> 3
Michigan -> 3
Maryland -> 4
NC -> 3
Chicago, boston and dartmouth are all superior to the ones I'd put in 3-4.
I'd also put mass, nyu and purdue higher.
>>54206573
UF is ranked #48 in News & Report
Central Florida is #98
Kanas is #82
Didn't bother looking up other two
>>54206640
depends on the school and how much they do theoretical vs coding classes.
at mine it's 50 50 but at another university across the state it's more theoretical and I have heard employers complain that the students there know theoretical shit but can't code for dick.
>>54206645
I disagree with UNC being 3. They are tied with Duke in US News & Report at #25 and ranked higher than Duke in http://www.shanghairanking.com/SubjectCS2015.html at #39 with Duke at #51-75. UNC has one of the best Computer Graphics/Visions department in the country.
I could see Texas lowest at Tier 2 not a 3.
Illinois is a top 5, I'd keep it at a tier 1.
Washington could be a 2
Michigan is a 2
Don't care enough to argue about Maryland although they do have some strong theory, least one guy is very strong there.
>>54206736
Ranking are usually not a good way to assess quality (least of all fucking shangairanking lmao). If you're judging undergraduate standards, the quality of professors as researchers means absolutely nothing, and if you're comparing graduate programs, the amount of "field experts" at the university is the second most important statistic, right behind accepted v.s. rejected publications at relevant peer-reviewed journals. Having one strong domain is pointless.
For undergraduate programs, what matters is the curriculum, and the quality of professors as teachers, foremost. Neither quality are ever assessed by top university ratings, though. Satisfaction, on the other hand, is the most useless statistic: most people would be satisfied with a shitty education that nets them free A's.
>>54206640
80% of women graduates can't code for shit no matter where they went to. and they're still able to land comfy jobs (where they do nothing) because muh diversity.
>>54206802
UNC was just one example, they have strong programs in many areas... robotics, visions, graphics, computational biology etc. Plus, they have a larger department than Duke.
>For undergraduate programs, what matters is the curriculum, and the quality of professors as teachers, foremost. Neither quality are ever assessed by top university ratings, though. Satisfaction, on the other hand, is the most useless statistic: most people would be satisfied with a shitty education that nets them free A's.
Agreed.
More graduates = moar monies for the faculties.
How do you get more graduates? By getting rid of the "weed out retards" C course and replacing it with a "You have no idea what you're doing? Don't worry, you can't POSSIBLY fail ;)" Java-Course.
>>54189774
This.
Today all parents want their kids to be that guy at Google earning a fat paycheck and having job security. So they all push their kids to do CS. The colleges know it and use all these freshmen to milk money out of them as fast as they can (until they drop out) to finance their research activities.
>>54206896
UNC's programs in vision and robotics, at least, are dogshit. Don't know about the others.
>>54206859
Well, it's 90% of men who can't code either
>>54193491
C and Assembly isn't good for CS either, that sounds like Computer Engineering. CS should teach high-level languages like Haskell and Lisp which are theoretically sound, the physical machine is largely irrelevant.
>>54192004
This.
I sexually identify as a taco, if you disagree with me then you're an oppressive shitlord.
>>54204789
I bet you still have 1200 pages of nothing with your teacher's name sitting on your shelf.
It only costs ~$1/8 per page. What a great deal!
>>54194992
The highest-earners from CS, aside from those who found a start-up, are the guys with Masters degrees and PhDs who have extensive theoretical knowledge, coding is largely irrelevant.
What's going to work better - 10 code monkeys fucking around, or 1 theoretical expert telling 1 code monkey what to do?
>>54191845
That's not good. CS degrees should not be there for fucking retards who want to be a wage-slave software engineer, they should be for intelligent people who want to advance the state of the art via research.
>>54192164
Theoretical computer science is pure math, not applied. Computer science was borne of the metamathematics revolution at the turn of the 20th century, up to Gödel in the 30s.
>>54206586
>suck at math
Oddly enough, that's easy (if tedious) to fix.
It'almost entirely a matter of experience.
Buy an algebra textbook and a calculus textbook.
Any algebra textbook and calculus textbook.
Just read and work through them completely.
Congrats,you're now OK at math.
>>54207499
>Haskell and
Not more than Java and C# are theoretically sound.
>Lisp which are theoretically sound
Not more than JavaScript, Perl, Python, and Ruby are theoretically sound.
CS degrees are so dumbed down that you probably didn't know that.
>>54207625
By algebra do you mean middle school stuff or abstract algebra?
If the most advanced math you know is some lowly calculus you're kinda shit at math desu
>>54207711
The dumbest collge go-ers have a grasp of basic algebra.
If you somehow can't manage that, get three textbooks, I guess?
>>54191974
So where did you get your MBA then? What is the relationship between a software engineer with a cs background and IT? Answer: IT is the fat, bearded loudmouth retard who installs McAfee on the engineer's laptop.
>>54206987
>UNC's programs in vision and robotics, at least, are dogshit. Don't know about the others.
Provide proof. Because you are full of dog shit.
>>54208134
Nobody from UNC has ever contributed anything of value to the robotics or vision fields. QED.
>>54207833
Well it's kinda strange to recommend abstract algebra before linear algebra or, say, combinatorics or probability.
>>54208176
http://robotics.cs.unc.edu/index.html
http://robotics.cs.unc.edu/publications.html
http://robotics.cs.unc.edu/projects.html
>>54207648
Please tell my how a language which uses monads (a monoid in the category of endofunctors) to eliminate non-purity so that the language can be compiled to an extended superset of the System F Lambda Calculus which is then evaluated via optimised graph reduction is less theoretically sound than a language thrown together by a bunch of code-monkeys to make their monkeying easier.
>>54208244
Thanks for proving my point.
you proved the point you aren't anything of value to the academic community.
>>54201881
Yeah just get certs, then work your way up. Try using linux as your main os for a while and learn some bash
Other majors are butthurt because CS degrees get paid more.
>mfw got 70,000 salary straight out of college in the midwest
>>54206640
I thought it was bullshit because I go to a small liberal arts college and can program pretty well. We have extremely good professors and classes. Then I got paired up with some retard one class for pair programming and I found out that he couldn't code for shit. I had to do everything myself while he looked for simple syntax errors. I think he did that with all of his partners and got pretty far. It made me angry and now I figure that about 10% of people graduate using this method. I guess I don't mind that much though because people like that make me look good.
>>54205732
Philosophy is dead. Mathematical Logic is all we need know.
>>54208668
How do I know that you've never taken a single class on either philosophy or logic?
>>54208668
Agreed. Mathematical Logic is where it's at. It's foundational for higher level CS research. SMTs, Recursion theory, Model theory, Proof theory have been useful.
