Where were you when the internet collapsed?
medium.com/@profcarroll/blocking-adblockers-is-illegal-in-the-eu-accf0212829#.3hanpm6ss
>>54162041
>internet collapsed
adblockers are taking the internet back
Honestly, I think that publishers are going to have to move entirely to "sponsored content" a.k.a. infomercials. Which isn't entirely a bad thing, so long as they're conspicuously marked as such. I'd rather have that than direct attempts to invade my privacy.
>>54162073
This too. If it becomes sufficiently unprofitable to run "free" sites, we're going to see a divide between "commercial internet" (netflix, retail, maybe social networks which are likely to remain "free" and popular), and "hobby" internet. Webrings would be neat to see again. And unmonetized forums.
>>54162073
>adblockers
>taking the internet back
>you have the internet back
>there's no content on it because no one can make a living creating content anymore
>>54162073
all this
>>54162079
im fine with that just don't want ads interfering with the content.
>>54162100
that sounds kinda nice to me. especially with all the alt-webs
>>54162157
payed for likes > payed for views
it encourages bettor content.
>>54162195
>payed
>>54162041
I was in 2007 and then the iphone released.
Sucks.
>>54162212
this desu senpai
>>54162206
... i did it twice...
ima go sudoku now.
I FUCKING LOVE THE EU
>>54162195
>bettor
And thus many American jobs were created in the field of server maintenance.
>>54162157
>decommercialization of the internet
>Not good
I was honestly completely fine with banner ads on youtube, since they didn't interrupt the videos
>>54162041
It was shit anyway.
>>54162100
there never were "free" sites. Either you set up your own server and pay for electricity or you pay someone else to host your site
>>54162157
Yes because back in the days when no-one could make a living on content there was no content
>>54162041
clickable link for clover friends
http://medium.com/@profcarroll/blocking-adblockers-is-illegal-in-the-eu-accf0212829#.3hanpm6ss
>>54162041
Anyway it is not critical, when over 50% think about Internet as Facebook site only.
>>54162041
you fucking retards
it's just some guys opinion
it hasn't been accepted yet because he hasn't even submitted it (yet)
On my website there is no difference between ads and content. And this phenomenon will only get bigger.
Review sites, gaming sites, comparison sites, news sites. You already see it everywhere. Sponsored content and affiliate content.
That is the future.
>>54165329
To add: the only thing dying is the independent internet.
>>54165320
Don't even try. This is /g/ after all.
>>54162041
>using SJWdium
lmao, tumblrinas will defend stealing to the end
>>54162212
That people haven't aged a day in 25 years
>>54165169
I'm completely fine with youtube ads in general because I can't even see them.
If I didn't have the displeasure of accidentally browsing it on a tablet that one time I wouldn't even know they had ads.
>>54165329
An example I saw recently was a news site that reported about a research that showed people are getting fat, interviewed someone about how to lose weight and recommended a certain margarine (imitation butter) product.
>>54165400
Another example I recently saw was that businesses could win awards and get recommended for a price.
Or that businesses were asked for an expert opinion about subjects.
>>54162309
why do they only have eyes
>>54165448
They are windows to the soul, anon.
>>54165448
they remove the orifices to annoy the pedos
>>54162157
"i'm a content creator. I create content."
>>54165329
>>54165339
you're probably right, as the average level of intelligence/attention span becomes uninterested in the difference between advertising and journalism.
fuck facebook, fuck medium, fuck "sponsored content." my personal home page will be the last such site on the internet if it has to
>>54165467
They still have ears.
>>54162041
>adblock detection is ruled as spyware
Normally I hate the EU but whoever is running the IT related decisions is based as fuck.
>>54162041
>medium.com/@profcarroll/blocking-adblockers-is-illegal-in-the-eu-accf0212829#.3hanpm6ss
At first I thought it said "adblockers illegal in the eu".
Christ
http://www.iab.com/news/new-iab-tech-lab-ad-blocking-primer/
>Ad Blocking Detection Script, and Improved User Experience, Are Keys to Better Value Exchange, Trade Group Says
>IAB Media Contact
>Laura Goldberg
>Goldberg
/pol/ is right once again
>>54165521
Being right about a jew like Goldberg is easy though.
>>54162157
>>there's no content on it because no one can make a living creating content anymore
There exist, right now, websites with no form of advertising on them.
Are they suddenly going to die just because adblocking exists?
now I just want google and youtube shits to be legally obliged to put large 'this content contains advertising/product placement' wherever it does so even the daft could tell shilling from search results
>>54162041
ahahahahahahahahaha
>>54162041
>But this is (probably) a big deal that will hasten the collapse of the adtech industrial complex if it proves out.
Let it happen.
>>54165534
That's just dumb.
I mean, it's even pretty dumb to flat out claim that using Javascript to see if someone is blocking ads is illegal when you can do something as simple as attempt to load a file named something that every adblocker will block and put some variable in there.
If the variable remains unset then it was blocked, if the variable becomes set then it wasn't blocked.
It's basically as simple as checking that your scripts have initialized properly.
>b-b-but thats illegal!
Law is shit and often vague enough that it's more about whether a lawyer can twist it to support his view or not.
>>54165521
>/pol/ is right once again
This meme is so retarded
>/pol/ says group X does bad
>1 % of group X does something bad
>'/pol/ was right again'
>>54165771
Hello mr goldberg
How is it spyware? Ad blocking scripts just fucking set a bait for your adblocker program. There's literally nothing else.
>>54165771
Well head on over to /pol and prove them wrong then
>>54165888
Go join a cult and prove them wrong bro
>>54165247
I think they're talking about free as in non-comercialized
>>54162157
Not even a freetard but you're dumb as fuck
>>54165767
They classified it as spyware that infringes on the user's privacy, which can be interpreted that way - if you know whether a user is blocking ads, you've essentially spied on their browsing habits.
>>54165969
Might as well just throw every piece of javascript that detects bots as spyware, because that also "essentially spies on browsing habits".
>>54165969
But you don't know the user is blocking ads, what you know is that something failed to load.
You can't actually detect that the user is actively blocking the ads. It's possible that it failed to load through a network or DNS error but you are interpreting that as a blocking action.
There's also the aspect of the detection (usually) being of a passive nature.
It happens in browser without any communication back to the original site. They don't "know" you are blocking their ads, the site is just dynamically loading in a way where you see a message telling you to disable your adblocker so it cannot be spyware as it is not taking information and sending it away.
There are a few variations of adblock detection though and some might not fit this argument.
>>54162041
Browsing 4chan sometime in 2008.
>>54166063
>Browsing habits of a non-human
>>54162041
I think the best balance is letting users to block how much they ever want while allowing the counterparty to detect and anti-adblock how much they ever want. I don't think there should be any special privileges given to either party on this matter.
You faggots are jesting too early.
Soon we are going to have have user agreements on every site where you give up the right to block ads or something like that. The retarded cookie rule which says every site that uses cookies must inform of them to the user is just the tip of iceberg of what the EU bureaucrats are capable of creating. Do not underestimate the EU bureaucrats, bringing the in is equivalent of opening the pandoras box. Fuck everything.
>>54166435
>The retarded cookie rule which says every site that uses cookies must inform of them to the user is just the tip of iceberg of what the EU bureaucrats are capable of creating.
So that's why all those messages have been popping up on websites?
Fuck. I don't give a shit about first party cookies. They're literally not even worth a second of my time.
>>54162041
no it's not faggot
this is quite literally the third shoah
>>54166471
The actual rule/idea was that you have to get the users' consent before using cookies to track (!) them. You don't have to inform the user that you're using cookies for their intended purposes (e.g. storing login information).
But what become of that you already know.
I hope all the old-media anti-adblock whiners adopt something propreitary like kindle-only or Apple news or some post-www shit-tier tech. Then it will all implode, new media and the open internet will prevail, and we can proceed to the next stage.
I favor this but I still find it kind of shitty that they have to make yet another regulation to enforce this kind of shit.
Can we not just agree like decent human beings that detecting-adblock-scripts are shit and it's bad taste to use them but don't need another fucking LAW for it?
>>54168607
Good goy! The internet is a push medium and totally not a pull medium!
I doubt this is actually a law in the EU, but more like a directive, which means that each member state of the EU can decide to apply it or not.
I don’t have any in mind right now, but there are very often cases like that, with directives voted by the European parliament, but only applied by a couple of countries.
But I might be wrong, and this may be an actual law, I’d just like to have a confirmation this is indeed a law.
I want games and the Internet to be all about enthusiasts again. Companies and government always ruin all the fun.
those graphs are pretty fucking nice
https://thestack.com/world/2016/04/21/sites-that-block-adblockers-seem-to-be-suffering/
>>54168745
>I want games and the Internet to be all about enthusiasts again. Companies and government always ruin all the fun.
senpai
>>54162041
Am I reading this right? EU says blocking adblockers is illegal?
How is this the internet collapsing? Or is OP just being retarded?
>>54168863
The OP is a shill, not a retard.
>>54168794
You can read wired articles just fine with noscript :^)
>>54162041
Pretty ironic for medium to be talking about it when they place an unkillable zombie tracking cookie on you whenever you visit their site.
>>54165360
That's because September of 1993 never ended.
>>54162297
The EU has moments of basedness, but they're overall pretty shit desu
>>54162041
You know what else is illegal?
Piracy.
Oh fuck I read this the other way around
There was an Internet before ads, and there will be an Internet after ads.
The Internet is a communication medium that MAY be used for profit purposes, but this isn't its main function.
The only idiots who think an Internet without ads is an Internet without content are latecomer idiots who don't know anything about the Internet, and who also don't know basic business management.
Idiots who think that because they failed, that means everyone else must also fail, since they can't accept the prospect of self-induced failure as a consequence of mental retardation and lack of skills and quality.
>>54165873
So going with your logic, you are not liable for shooting someone just because you pressed the trigger, but the bullet was fired by the cock?
>>54170980
The internet died in 2007. There is no recovery past 2008. Either restart (e.g. meshnets) or keep dying slowly and painfully.
>>54170995
>The internet died in 2007.
No it didn't. The porn is still there and the amateur porn is getting better and better.
I have thus destroyed your argument and blown it the fuck out with my piss.
I proclaim victory and fart in your general direction.
>>54170980
>>54170995
[Click here and you're a winner!]
That started in like 2000, maybe even before, It's just connections were usually too slow to have loads of pings/jpgs etc all over the place and nobody relied on "news outlet " styled webpages(advertisements).
It was all information, business and angelfire blogs for the most part.
the only way we will get a truly free internet is to boot out all the corporate shills.
fuck capitalism.
>>54171183
Which is basically impossible with the way modern internet works.
1- we need a fully decentralized DNS system
2- we need a fully decentralized communication system
3- we need a fully decentralized datastore
4- we need to be able to run programs in a fully decentralized way.
Actually, all these technologies already exist, but they need to be deployed on a large scale to be effective.
>>54162157
Frankly i would rather have no content than the bullshit that fills the internet today
> X reasons why Y happens
> [Adjective] noun verb. You will never guess what happens next!
Fuck off with that already.
>>54171215
it's only a matter of time and spreading awareness. if Tor and Freenet can exist, then a free, open alternative to the internet may yet come true one day.
i have full hope for an open source revolution.
>>54162041
You know what, ads on the internet were never about selling anything. They were always used for tracking, with the adverstiment industry as a cover to not seem shady.
If you want to sell something on the internet, send paid shills on discussion boards.
>>54165771
Just a coincidence right, mr shekelberg?
