I'm going to do it fuckers, Intel doesn't have anything that can compete with the FX 8 cores when it comes to game streaming/footage capture or virtual machine work.
Is there any reason not to go AMD for my use case? An i5 is too expensive for me and not worth the loss in thread count.
[spoiler]Is there any news about AM4 before I buy this thing?[/spoiler]
I have an 8320 and I love it but I don't know if I would recommend so late in its life .
Up to u
>>54158975
I have steady income now so I can always turn it into a home server later
>buying am3 in 2016
the last acceptable time to buy am3 was when they were selling quad core 3.2ghz clocked processors for $50
AMD cores =/= Intel cores. AMD cores share resources, it's almost like hyperthreading. A modern i5 will absolutely destroy an fx chip senpai.
>>54158995
Not if I'm using all 8 threads though, I plan to do a GPU passthrough sometime, so I'll have 4 for the main linux OS, and 4 passed through with a video card to a windows OS for gaming
>>54158991
The board is only 70 and comes with USB 3.1 and an M.2 slot, it's a pretty good deal, same with the 8300 CPU they just released to the west, it turbos to 4.2ghz and only has a 95W TDP
>>54158995
>AMD cores =/= Intel cores. AMD cores share resources, it's almost like hyperthreading. A modern i5 will absolutely destroy an fx chip senpai.
No it won't. An i7 sure but not an i5, at least not in multi-core performance. At worst an i5 will match an 8-core FX processor in multi-core performance.
However OP I advise you wait for Zen. It's 8-core variant chip is likely to have around i7-5960X multi-core performance. Maybe build a cheap A8-7600 FM2+/AM1 build to entertain you until zen arrives. That's what I'm planning to do anyway.
>>54159112
I have a 750K, it just doesn't have enough threads for me, but the performance is fine for me per core, so the 8300 would be pretty much identical, just with twice the threads.
I can always buy an AM4 board later, maybe wait for AM4+ even, because you know that shit's coming soon after like with FM2.
And then I don't have to worry about my PC and I can save up for like really high end shit
>>54159142
>And then I don't have to worry about my PC and I can save up for like really high end shit
Yeah just wait it out man, have faith in AMD 1 last time. AMD could go bankrupt if Zen does not deliver so I'm certain AMD worked very hard on Zen and base Jim did everything he could to make Zen as amazing as possible. I'm hoping the 8-core Zen chip will cost at least half as much as the ~$1,000 i7-5960X.
>>54159268
I just want zen APUs with HBM on die so I can build a really compact gaming PC
>>54159327
That is impossible.
why not an 8370e?
>>54158922
Eh.
If you're poor, go for it.
An i3 can beat that thing in gaming but the fx-8300 is a good faux multicore processor. If you clinch your ass hard enough, it actually feels like a real one.
>>54159369
That's like $170 I'm not that stupid
>>54159339
No it isn't? It only needs maybe 2GBs of HBM/2 to do 1080p well
> Intel doesn't have anything that can compete with the FX 8 cores when it comes to game streaming/footage capture or virtual machine work.
Except almost their entire lineup
Intel Quick Sync you dum dum
>>54159112
>An i7 sure but not an i5, at least not in multi-core performance
Even in multicore, you dummy.
The instruction per core on an i5 is insane. Why do you think is AMD is pushing zen.
>>54159418
>Even in multicore, you dummy.
bruh
fx-8370 passmark multi-core: ~9,000
i5-6600K passmark multi-core: ~7,800
>>54158922
>Intel doesn't have anything that can compete with the FX 8 cores when it comes to game streaming/footage capture or virtual machine work.
top tier bait.
you should know the amd processor doesn't actually have 8 cores it's 4 cores and 4 modules which roughly equates to any hyper-threaded intel 4 core chip.
it's good equipment for the money but don't fool yourself into thinking it's better because you can't spend more.
>>54159112
>It's 8-core variant chip is likely to have around i7-5960X multi-core performance.
amd fags actually believe this, kek.
You realize an i5 is actually 8 cores, right? My i3 is 4 cores! Hyperthreading mbitch.
>>54159824
so what you're saying is an intel chip with 4 cores and 4 threads almost equals a chip with 8 "cores" and 8 threads? kek.
>>54158922
>buying AM3+ when AM4 is less than 6 months away
>buying an end of the line product
>>54160400
But it has 8 threads, and it has 8 phsyical cores, they just share an FPU making them somewhat shitty
>>54160617
for 200 bucks it ain't too bad man, Like I said earlier I can just reuse it and it'lll be fine when I replace it with a zen chip, I'd rather have this thing for 6 months than just save and wait for zen
>>54159409
I dont think a HBM chip can fit on the die.
>>54160714
I'm sure theyll figure it out man, once they move to 14/16nm they'll have plenty of space to work with
Should I go for it, or wait until Zen is released to see if that's a better value? I'm waiting to get a graphics card once Pascal and Polaris are out too. I should be fairly future proof (for at least five years) in terms of upgradeablility, right?
>>54158922
>>54158975
DX12 actually does wonders for AMD processors since it uses a low level api. Thus AMD processors can actually keep up with Intel i7s for DX12.
AMD processors are finally getting that edge it needs to go toe to toe with Intel processors.
>>54160828
Just wait for Zen bruh. The CPUs are set to be released around Q3 2016, it's like a couple of months away.
>>54160435
No it isnt you idiot.
>>54160745
We will wait and see bro.
>>54160828
That build is awful, what's your budget and what are you using it for?
>>54160714
I'm sure they can figure it out somehow. HBM is already much smaller than gDDR5.
>>54160745
Well we are already there. Also bro you busy? I am bored as shit
>>54160975
>Also bro you busy? I am bored as shit
You Wot M8
>>54160986
Wanna skype somebody
>>54161028
Why would anyone post their skype to 4chan? It's too easy to get an IP address through skype
>>54160948
I'm trying to build a mid tier gaming machine. I want to spend less than ~$800 total. I figured since processors aren't advancing that much year over year I could buy everything that isn't the processor now and get the GPU once Polar and Pascal are out.
>>54161087
But it's only around $600 for an i5 + 380
You aren't going to need a higher end motherboard, the MSI H110 and B150 boards are really solid for the money, buy the B150 Gaming AC board if you want built in Wifi, it'll be an ITX board
and the CX PSUs are sub par
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>>54161050
Well those are not my intentions. Just wanna talk.
I would exchange Skypes through kik.
>>54161122
Thank you!
>>54161140
Well I'm not interested in communicating with people sorry
>>54161177
Why?
>>54161206
Do you think I'd be on 4chan If I were interested in conversations with people? Hang on a Furry ERP forum/chat room or something man
>>54160634
it has 4 cores and 4 modules not 8 cores.
>>54160922
unfortunately no one is going to utilize dx12, and the bot net's market share is too low to matter. so it may have a leg up in a small market but that's all it ever had.
>>54161986
It would have 4 modules and 8 threads if you're going to try and break it down like that, but the point is that it isn't using software like Hyperthreading to get to 8 threads, it has physical processing units, or Cores for each thread
@OP
>>54162049
Retard
t. intel user
>>54162049
I was under the impression intel had a patent on hyperthreading
>>54162119
they pretty much just steal each other's shit anyway. amd has a patent on x86_64 and that didn't stop intel from purloining it
>>54162106
Well yes I use Intel and would you look at that.
No housefire.
>>54162196
>what are memes
>>54160435
Depends on the i5 in question you nig-nog. My 3570K is a quad-core because it doesn't support hyperthreading.
>>54162196
>"no housefire" meme
>>54162196
kys, you don't belong on /g/ maybe not even /v/
t. intel user
>>54162230
Nvidia vs AMD but still relevant
>>54161122
Late reply but are WD blacks worth it vs blues?
>>54162260
pork shoulder, 1.7, woodscrews etc
>>54162288
I just bought the 1TB Black for 70 bucks, they're pretty fast and come with 5 year warranties, my last WD black lasted me 15k hours no issues, so I always stick to them. The blue drives would be fine though overall
There are 2TB WD red drives that would be slower, but near the $70 price point though if you want more storage that's a bit slower
>>54158922
wait for zen
>>54162352
But I can just buy zen when it comes out in 6 months.
>>54162376
But it uses a new socket. You're going to be spending ~$200 on a processor and motherboard that will be used for less than six months.
>>54162428
That's not a lot of money...also as I said earlier, I can just repurpose it as a server or sell it to a friend. Like I can build it into a capture rig for streaming
>>54158922
>FX 8 cores
i7-5960X
also
>8-cores
a true core: 1 integer unit + 1 floating point unit
AMD 8-"core" have 8 integer units + 4 FPUs.
>>54162555
When will this meme end? When the lawsuit falls through?
>>54162555
>i7-5960X
>pay ten times as much for twice the performance
No thanks, Shlomo.
>>54159067
My GA-Z170-HD3P was $106 and does those things. A cheap board isn't a good argument for buying a bad platform.
>>54162777
Okay? but the i7 6700 costs almost 3 times what my CPU costs for the same thread count.
I also know there's the Xeon 1231v3, but I don't really want to spend that much on a CPU either when in multi-threaded instances the 2 perform around the same
>>54162796
The i5 6600 is the best value on the intel side.
>>54162820
I'd say that's the 6500* but still it only has like 4 threads, and costs more than the 8300
>>54162840
Oh and it is 70% faster than an fx-8300. Thread count be damned.
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-6600K-vs-AMD-FX-8300/3503vsm7163
>>54162846
Well ya per core it's basically twice as fast, but I'm fine with the per core performance over the FX 8 cores, I want threads, not single core performance.
If I were to do the virtualization stuff on the i5 I would only have 2 cores for the VM, which can harm minimum frame rates, and won't even really let you run some games
>>54162860
Oh I didn't realize this was bait. Cause I have to assume that a logical person would understand that having more cores doesn't make a better chip. If they don't then 4 core chip can be faster than 8 core chip.
>>54162884
this is bait
>>54162884
It does when I'm going to utilize all 8 threads and do things like streaming. Not to mention it's cheaper and the performance is going to be similar in those cases
>>54162021
>unfortunately no one is going to utilize dx12
That's what nvidia wants everyone to believe.
There's a number of games already supporting DX12 and more incoming later on.
Hitman for example supports DX12. Gears of War is getting a dx12 patch later on. Ashes of Singularity will support DX12. There's lots more but too lazy to look it up.
>>54162884
>a logical person would understand that having more cores doesn't make a better chip
That depends on what it is running under.
Under DX11, it dumps all the workload onto the first core and barely does shit with all the other cores. DX11 uses 4 cores at most and doesn't even use them efficiently.
Under DX12, it actually spreads the workload among all your cores and it has a more well spread of workload among all your cores. This is why DX12 is such a big deal and how amd processors can actually keep up with intel processors in DX12. So for dx12, more cores is actually better.
Graph related and it's true for Intel processors as well as AMD despite being a AMD graph.
>>54163245
Most games won't utilize DX12 very well from the start though, tomb raider is just a wrapper, probably the same with gears of war
>>54158922
Have fun with your fx8shit, used to have one.
Id rather say use it for anything but streaming but well i guess i dont know im talking about huh bud :^)
>>54162021
yeah but a lot of people are going to use Vulkan which has the same benefits
>>54163414
? :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE
>>54159824
And how many things use all of the cores do you think
>>54163424
Streaming and Rendering does, and that's part of what I do
and Intel still loses to AMD in virtualization workloads, AMD is actually really good for doing virtualization
>>54163435
I had the same cpu and i can tell you, its not comparable to my 4790k when it comes to streaming , espescially arena fps. Not saying the fx8 series are shit but i defo wouldnt use them for streaming. Triple buffering vsync felt better to play with compared to that shit.
>>54163483
I'm sure it beats it there, but it's still x3 the price, the Xeon 1231v3 is only about twice the price, but still, probably not worth it for me for the 20-30% more performance
>>54163509
For the price the fx8 is really good thats why i used to use it, not that i got work i invested in the new cpu. About the money is true intel is really expensive. Want sure to buy it but then i got a deal of buying that cpu and a nice mobo for 300~ so i did. Otherwise id still be using it probs. But i wouldnt stream this much as its possible but it was annoying me as it impacted how the game felt (depending on what game but sadly enough the games i liked the most were the worst)
>>54163549
I just can't wait for the 8 core zen chips with SMT, would be even nicer if they had that reverse SMT that made a lot of cores look like one core to an OS, I think that was just a far off rumor though
>>54163549
Now that i*
Wasn't sure*
Sorry for the mistakes
>>54163562
I hope the cpu is going to be good. Might get one for my other pc if so.
>>54159112
You are wrong. I have run aida64 on my 6600k. It beats that and chip in all categories except for one.
>>54165014
>synthetic benchmarks
>AIDA64
Nobody cares. Fuck off back to /v/, tech-illiterate scum.
>>54165100 see:
>>54162857
How does it feel when a 4 core chip beats your 8 core? Salty enough to go on the internet and lie about it? Pretty sad, desu.
>>54165160
6600k is quite a bit more money, isn't it?
>>54165191
Is $60 alot of money now? Especially for the obvious performance increase? 6600k is $244 right now.
Ew, ew, don't.
Seriously, it's worth waiting just because of how fucking old AMD processors are.
Don't buy anything, or if you HAVE to, buy a used sandy bridge system.
$50 mobo, $70 used i5-2500 and you have a system just as good as your $200 system
>>54158922
OP, I just got 8300 two month ago and 970 chipset mobo, because my old mobo died so I've decided to switch from phenom 2 to FX. I had a choice between 8300 and expensive AMD mobo, and i5-6400 with cheap-ass mobo and 8 GB ddr4, which was like 80-90 bucks more for me.
I fucking regret my purchase every single day. My chip turned out to be shit, my top-line (out of 970 mobos) 970 chipset mobo turned out to be shit - fucking 1.38V for 4.2GHz overclock or it will not pass even 10 seconds of prime95 or linx. I was buying this thinking that I'll do muh overclocking and will get some decent performance, man, I was so fucking wrong, because this cpu-mobo combo is requiring CRAZY voltage to get any decent overclock.
Don't be an idiot like me and don't buy fucking FX in 2016, just add more money and go for i5 or don't buy anything and wait for Zen.
>>54159824
>fx-8370 passmark multi-core: ~9,000
What? Here is my FX-8300 4.2GHz passmark. 8370 cannot be lower than this.
Only 7 more months until we can upgrade to Sandy Bridge performance my fellow AMDbros!
>>54165302
Is Intel hiring? These days they seem to only be laying people off.
This is what I would get with your $200 budget op. If you can stretch it a bit more you can have a full 16 core/32 thread system by getting a dual socket board.
These are Sandy bridge cores so they're infinitely faster than whatever amd is selling.
>>54165348
Where will you find a single socket mobo less than $300?, much less a dual? Buy a used run to hell 24/7 6 year old from a hosting company?
Not very smart, desu.
>>54165381
Someone I know bought a supermicro dual socket board for $130. I'm sure op will find one sooner or later if he even attempts to put forward a minimal amont of effort.
>>54165333
Intel is trimming the fat. Not that a basement dwelling neet would know how loosing 10% of your body fat can make you a stronger, more agile and responsive. Stay salty.
>>54165244
Can you not into math? that would be double the price of the 8300
>>54158922
Do it OP. I bought that Processor and it overclocks like an animal. Get the MSI 970 Gaming MoBo though, it looks nicer.
>>54159268
Well you are a man of faith.
Too many times AMD has promised great things and I would like to believe too, but I can't anymore
>>54165280
What motherboard did you buy? that asrock board has a 10 phase power delivery on it
>>54160922
>keep up with
Heh it's a GPU bottleneck
>>54158922
advantages:
any "amd fx" will beat anything else in terms of price per performance.
disadvantages: encoding-decoding-streaming accelartion and API
>>54168098
The point would be the 8350 doubled it's performance under DX12
