When are we going to start feeling the benefits of robots taking over jobs?
Because it still feels like corporations are just fucking everyone.
>>54148728
You aren't you fucking moron. Corps will reap the rewards of automation and use that to fuck all the useless shazbots like yourself even harder.
>>54148734
Then what the fuck are you?
>>54148738
More important than the worthless hunks of meat who cry about corporations, that's what. Capitalism isn't going anywhere.
>>54148772
Republicans are so stupid.
>>54148784
Enjoy living off my taxes when the robots come for your job :^)
Universal robots on /g/?
Today is a good day.
>>54148812
...thanks?
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>>54148728
>he thinks there will be benefits for the common man of robots taking over jobs
Well the companies are already seeing those benefits.
People? Not so much.
Only thing that's going to happen because of automation, is rapidly climbing unemployment numbers and governments scratching their heads thinking "what the hell should we do with these people?"
If your job involves driving or anything related to assembly lines or warehouses, you're fucked.
Better start looking at fields that require creative thinking for future careers.
You will feel the benefit if you have capital.
If you don't have capital; IE if you're 90% of the population, you get fucked big time.
You think the people who got replaced by threshing machines benefited?
It's the people that OWNED them that did.
>>54149060
People can benefit from robots doing most of the work e.g. This allows for basic universal income
>>54149096
>This allows for basic universal income
And where does the money to pay for that come from?
>>54149118
Taxes and the money were not spending on human employees
>>54149096
Finland here, we've basically had a bastardized version of UBI implmented for ages, but now the government is planning on actually implementing the proper form of it.
Well guess what?
The way they're going at this at the moment, is that everyone needs to be employed.
So it's not going to be a case of "Well if you can't work or do anything, then you can just exist"
You technically can, but the amount of money given to you, is so small that you'll barely be able to afford the bare necessities, if you're living in some rural small town that has ridiculously small rents.
So the way it's looking at the moment, a real UBI is a pipe dream.
The capitalistic model endures and everyone is still expected to work full time, despite machines.
Unless that model falls, the average man is going to be and remain fucked for years to come.
>>54149152
I don't think the argument for UBI is that everyone can just quit
Here's the twist, the corporations are the AI robots, their logic is just implemented through humans following company policy.
>>54149148
>Taxes and the money were not spending on human employees
Who is this we? Corporations pay their taxes (as little of which as they can get away with), they aren't going to just give the government all the money they saved you fucking idiot.
>>54149192
>If you don't do necessary thing, thing relying on necessary thing cannot thing
WOW, great post
>>54149096
>universal basic income
This and proper no-loophole taxation of the rich.
>>54149152
>a real UBI is a pipe dream
Only because governments don't have the balls to implement it. The only real argument against it is that it's beneficial to encourage people to do *something* with their time rather than just laze around all day.
>still expected to work full time
This is the other thing. You should be looking at reducing the definition of "full time". More people employed, each person has more free time, everyone wins. How does a 32-35 hour work week sound to you?
>>54149200
Are you fucking retarded? The government does not have enough money to pay for the lives of all the lazy mouthbreathers like yourself.
>>54149215
Do you think UBI means to provide luxury living or what?
>>54149215
>government does not have enough money
It does. A universal basic income is roughly equivalent to a vastly simplified welfare model (of the sort that many western countries have already) integrated into the tax system to remove the poverty traps.
>>54148728
Wendy's confirmed for replacing humans with robots to dodge wage increases.
>>54148728
Automation + Scarcity Economy = Corporations Fuck Everyone.
>>54149226
>>54149239
It has enough to prop up the current system. Less tax payers means less incoming, more people on welfare means more outgoing. It's not rocket science.
If anything we will see a reduction in welfare programs and stricter rules (that will allow them to deny welfare based on arbitrary criteria such as drugs tests).
>>54149181
Fuuuuuck anon. He's right, everyone will do everything for the good of the company not the people. Hell for a public company it's the law.
>>54149215
I'd wager if UBI existed many of the moutbreathers you're talking about would cost the government a lot less in other ways.
One of the largest drivers of crime is uncertain financial state - people living in "relative" poverty (as in for the country, not afrika) or on the breadline tend to have poorer outcomes across the board, health, education, it all adds up.
>>54149304
have you seen how poor people spend their money? no cash to feed their kids but always got smokes, beer and new tattoos
ubi wont change that
I welcome our corporate overlords. They will be able to unite the world where nations have failed. Get capital or get out. Vote Republican. Install Gentoo. Learn to program. Those who write and maintain the automation will be the last to see their job go.
>>54149328
It's also a lot more expensive to be poor. Just drive through the urban areas where poor people are concentrated. What do you see? Business after business looking to pray on the poor and stupid. Rent to own, check cashing/pay advance places, pawn shops, no credit check car dealers. These places take advantage of the poor and ultimately work to keep the poor in their situation.
>>54149208
Reducing work hours would be great, but there's the fact that a ridiculous amount of re-education would need to happen, in order to get the masses into the jobs in the first place.
Which isn't going to work.
You're not going to suddenly re-educate tons of uneducated and unskilled people aged 40-60 who got kicked out of the warehouse sector, into careers that cannot be done by machines.
Also government doesn't want you to reduce the work hours, they want you to work more.
That already happened this year.
Because of the budget cuts and cuts to people's salaries, workers got a tiny bit more work hours this year.
The whole model is so profit driven that no such thing as lesser work hours is going to happen.
If anything, they're going to make more budget cuts and tell people to work even more, in order to save money.
But it's not all bad though.
UBI gets rid of the mess of a welfare system we have in place.
Current system doesn't allow for people to work, UBI makes it possible and I'm all for that.
So it does allow for the part time work you mentioned there.
Also it's going to streamline the whole social security system and it prevents people from abusing it and also prevents the system from abusing people.
>>54149294
Yeah, leave it at that, it gets too complicated when you start thinking about when humans aren't performing in the corporations benefit but are using its powers for a different external policy.
That's too much red pill for you.
>>54149357
and with ubi you will just see more businesses setting up to take the cash out of the pockets of people who didn't earn it, have no idea how to get more of it and don't know the value of it
>>54149096
That's all good and well as long as people don't breed like rabbits. With a controlled population limit we can Live in a Utopia.
Look at most western nations the nuclear family, 2.5 children. The average age for having your first child is in your mid 20's.
Than look at the Entire Asian and African continent. They breed without consideration. How many African kids are starving to death right now. Fucking thousands. Because irresponsible fuckers are too stupid to consider how they're going to feed their kids before having them. Disgraceful, that's up there with some of the worst crimes imaginable.
>>54149118
Where will the money come from? We will abolish it. It will be deprecated. As long as people are sheltered and fed healthily, fiat money is irrelevant. Fiat money only holds the value that you assign it. You can't reasonably eat it for sustenance or survival, arguably you can't wear it or use it as shelter.
The basic income will most likely be in the form of mass produced food and public housing.
I think that an element of capitalism will still be present. i.e the most successful of society will be rewarded with better food, housing etc.
This is all assuming that our automated food production is equal or surplus to consumption.
Hence why population control is a likely outcome. The alternative would be space exploration. Which is Much much much more likely and more exciting than population controls.
For the obvious reasons of
1. Population control is gloomy and depressing as fuck like some orwellian dystopia or totalitarian regime.
2. Pop control feels "evil" to me and most likely to other normies.
3. I don't see any reason or evidence to say why we wont be a space fairing civilisation in the next 100 years. We are seemingly moving towards the tech. And by then it will be desperately needed.
>>54149625
>population control
You know what works really really well for that? Easily available birth control, a highly educated population, and a lack of poverty. This is *why* western nations rely on immigration for population growth and africa still has a bajillion kids.
>>54149304
Some people are ungrateful greedy fucks. Even with all their needs and desires met, they will still fuck other people over for more.
With a UBI there's no guarantee crime will go down.
>>54149711
>You know what works really really well for that? Easily available birth control, a highly educated population, and a lack of poverty. This is *why* western nations rely on immigration for population growth and africa still has a bajillion kids.
You know what. That's all good and well. But they're not perfect.
People in western nations still have alot of "accident" babies. Just look on pof.com at all the single mothers. haha (kind of not kidding)
Education != Knowledge.
You can't really control the lack of poverty reliably.
Nearly every country in the world is donating hundreds of millions of dollars to African countries and millions are going to birth control programs. But they don't work because African are fucking stupid.
>>54148728
You won't you idiot. That's like asking if the powers that be are going to mass distribute some kind of immortality serum if it was discovered.
What will happen in the west is poverty and death.
>>54149096
>This allows for basic universal income
We're living in the real world, not Star Trek, not some chinese cartoon utopia. The rich don't give you free monies now, they won't in the future either.
>>54149899
>The rich don't give you free monies now, they won't in the future either.
They'll end up paying for the mass graves though.
Hope I'm the guy who is paid to dig it though.
>>54149711
>You know what works really really well for that?
Genocide. We must gas the jews and cull the niggers in order to maintain a stable global population size.
I hope Trump rounds up all you commie retards and ships you down to Mexico.
>>54148728
We don't see benefits because people are largely apathetic about robots. People don't use robots to automate their lives and that's it. Even programmers which are supposed to care are busy flaming about babbeh's best linux distro instead of learning robotics as a hobby.
You won't have a robot waifu unless you build one, anon.
>>54149899
>The rich don't give you free monies now, they won't in the future either.
Unless we eat them (^:
>>54149328
>have you seen how poor people spend their money?
Experiments show that they use these money to attain stability. They buy food, clothing. They seek for jobs.
>>54148812
Tbh senpai tjat sounds awesome. Can i live on your taxes too?
Robots won't have a noticeable impact on the job market until they can perform the same jobs as humans at a lower cost. Anyone who's worked in a manufacturing setting before would know how unreliable machines can be.
>>54148728
We already are!
There are more and more job cuts in production fields and more and more jobs in the tech fields to maintain the robot armies.
>>54148784
Get raped and kill yourself, you retarded fucking faggot sack of shit with down syndrome.
>>54148728
>When are we going to start feeling the benefits of robots taking over jobs?
Never. There's no benefit to a robot doing what you should be doing.
>Because it still feels like corporations are just fucking everyone.
As in they make sure they make money? As they are supposed to? Wow. Color me surprised.
>>54148728
>When are we going to start feeling the benefits
>we
>benefits
hahaha.
>>54148728
Lower costs or same costs for goods
Possibly a machine to make your work easier
Otherwise lol no
>>54156488
>lower costs
even if stuff continues to get cheaper to produce the price will only drop only to a certain point,
and after that all the extra goes straight into the pockets of a few at the top.
>>54149030
>Only thing that's going to happen because of automation, is rapidly climbing unemployment numbers and governments scratching their heads thinking "what the hell should we do with these people?"
thats where we are today dude
>"what the hell should we do with these people?"
its called gender studies or phd in medieval history at university
followed by barristaship, foodstamps, 200$/month in unemployment benefits, hipsterism and neetbucks
or did you fall for the NEET is a meme meme?
