Hey /g/,
Looking at upgrading my gpus this summer since I'm still running on a GTX 670. I've read that nvidia won't be launching the pascal equivalent of the 980 TI until around Christmas, which is longer than I want to wait. Will any of the pascal gpus released this summer perform better than the 980 TI or should I just pull the trigger and buy one now? Are there any other advantages of waiting for the Pascal gpus that I should know about?
the 1070 will probably outperform the 980ti and will cost less.
wait a few more months.
>>54104536
Thanks. If it's priced similar to the 970 I'll be able to save some money and put it towards an ultrawide monitor.
>>54104434
Nvidia have stopped production of high end Maxlel now, so the new cards aren't far off.
http://www.techpowerup.com/221783/nvidia-reportedly-stops-production-of-certain-maxwell-gpus
Either wait or buy a 980 Ti dirt cheap when the inevitable fire sale happens.
>>54104434
Wait for Pascal and then buy a dirty cheap GTX 980 TI
>>54104434
>wait for pascal
Wait for Polaris, rather.
>tfw considering selling my 980 now and dealing with igpu until polaris/ pascal come out
I just don't know, /g/.
>Will any of the pascal gpus released this summer perform better than the 980 TI
can anyone really know this for sure?
>>54104434
Considering Pascal will carry the torch of gimped async, go ahead with Maxwell.
>Wait till the end of 2015
>Wait till 2016
>dude 2017 for sure
For fucks sake
I just bought a 980ti, 0 fucks given.
It will still be a high-end card when pascal comes out, it just won't be on top anymore. But you get the added benefit of having it now.
>>54104571
Don't get ultrawide of you game, too many developers are lazy and don't support it at release.
>>54107759
Nvidia has been cucked to fuck with dx12 shitter frame rates even on a 980 ti, all Amd gcn architecture gpus destroy Nvidia which is sad because even with shit drivers they still perform better.
Eh, might as well ask here.
If I'm in the 960 price range, should I buy now or wait? I was thinking the mid-tier cards won't come out for a long time but on the other hand the 970 might drop. The price difference between the 960 and 970 is significant though, and I'm unconvinced it will magically drop to 960 levels in a day, especially in the UK.
>>54107759
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>>54107834
Get a 380x, out performs the 960 by miles and it costs the same
>>54107754
This.
I bought a 3440x1440 ultrawide and a 980Ti, don't regret it at all. I'll have it for probably around 4 years and I work for a living so it's worth it.
>>54107834
>>54107851
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9784/the-amd-radeon-r9-380x-review/6
benches
>>54107898
I mean, it's probably a bad idea buying maxwell when they're on the horizon but do we even have a concrete date?
>>54107851
Well I did say the 960 'price range', but thanks for the advice anyway.
However the 380x is a good £50 more expensive more than the 960/380 4gb in the UK, and at that point I'd want to get a 970 (even though that's another £50). I would hope the 970 at least goes down to 380x prices when the 1070 comes out.
>>54107958
Idk man I bought it sometime over the summer and haven't thought about it since. If I didn't get the ultrawide I probably would have stuck with my 670 for another year or so, I really don't play games that often.
>>54107815
That's the thing, with DX12 AMD's shit DX11 drivers are out of the picture.
That's great for AMD and future games, but right now most gaming you'll do is on DX11 or even DX9, where AMD is sometimes quite shitty. By the time DX12 really hits its stride I know for sure that at least my 290Xs will be long gone from my system.
>>54107958
I keep reading June.
it just seems sill for people to recommend buying a card now when a big architectural shift is coming in like 2 months.
>>54107989
I guess i'm just pissed because i'd gladly wait a bit longer but my surface of the sun tier gtx 285 is literally dying, turning on and off.
I thought /g/ said pascal would be utter shit and not high end at all
god damn it
fucking /g/
>>54107617
we do know, people refuse to listen.
nvidia has stated that pascal on a 16nm process will offer 2x the performance per watt of a similar designed maxwell 2.
that means, a similar designed pascal at 125 watts will match a 980 ti.
considering the 1070's and 1080's will be a 970 and 980 successor, the 1080 will match or slightly exceed a 980 ti by 10%.
I'm thinking about building a mid range gaming PC. Should I go with AMD right now or wait for the equivalent of the gtx 960 after Nvidia's refresh?
>>54108050
i've been saying this for a long time.
i think a lot of people forget about the last die shrink is that there wasn't a "ti" card in the mix. the 580 was the fastest single gpu solution on the market for nvidia. it was nvidia's single solution flagship, top dog. yes they had the 590 but it was NOT a single gpu card. it was a dual gpu card on a single pcb.
the 600 series? same exact thing. 680 was the top dog for a single gpu solution. not only that but both the 570, 580, 670, and 680 were the "big chips." they were the full fermi and keplar gpu's of their series.
starting with the 700 series this changed. the 780 was not nvidia's top dog. a new tier was added. the 780 ti followed by the titan was. maxwell 2 continued this trend but took it one step further with the 970 and 980 (gm204) not being full maxwell 2 chips. gm200 is the full maxwell 2 "big chip" and were exclusive for the 980 ti and titan x. the 970 being a cut down gm204 chip and the 980 ti being a cut down gm200 chip.
we went from "570 and 580" to "970, 980, 980 ti, and titan."
the "1080" is aimed at taking over the 980 spot. NOT the 980 ti spot. that's the "1080 ti" job.
you cannot compare the 1080 to the 980 ti since both cards are on different tier's.
>>54108083
another thing to note is what nvidia said: "pascal built on 16nm finfet process will offer 2x the performance per watt compared to maxwell 2." the 980 ti is 250 watts. half of 250 is 125. so that means, with no gimping, a full big pascal chip, at 125 watts, should offer the same performance as a 980 ti. the full pascal chip at 250 watts? that should offer the performance of two 980 ti's in sli. that's incredible.
seeing as the "1070" and "1080" are not the full pascal chips, that's being reserved apparently for the ti and titan, similar to maxwell 2's setup, the 1080 having performance near a 980 ti is perfectly reasonable. that puts it at roughly 30% increase minimum over the 980 since the 980 ti on average is 30% faster than a 980 with a similar tdp as a 980. also toss in the faster clocked gddr5 and increased memory capacity it will probably be even more faster. near beefy 980 ti overclock levels (extra ~7 - ~10%). rougly a 30 - 40% increase over the previous 980 that occupied its tier level. that's a big increase.
the 680 was roughly 30-40% (40% on only a few - http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1348?vs=1350) faster than the 580.
we are comparing successors here. I.E. the 680 was the 580 successor
remember the 1080 is the successor to the 980. NOT the 980 ti. that's the 1080 ti's job
1080 being roughly 30 - 40% faster than the 980 (which would put it equal to or 10% greater than the 980 ti.
the "x70" has traditionally been 10 - 20% lower than the "x80" counterpart. this goes all the way back to the 6xxx series. I.E. the 6800gt was about 15% slower than the 6800ultra. just like the 970 is roughly 20% slower than the 980 (but the 980 has 30% increased price for that extra 20%! which has made the 980 a ****ty value)
if we take the 1080 being a full 40% faster than the 980
take the max 20% reduction for the 1070
that would put the 1070 around 20% faster than the 980 and 10% slower than the 980 ti
that's practically the 670 over the 580.
>>54104434
wait for polaris 10
>>54108091
also take note nvidia's 2x claim is similar to amd's 2.5x claim.
amd is on a smaller process node, 14nm vs nvidia's 16nm, and amd claims their 2.5x over most of their 28nm gpu's.
to note amd claims 2.5x over their 28nm gpu's. so they can comparing as a whole. considering hawaii and lower makes up their bulk of 28nm the 2.5x claim is mostly targeted at those and not so much at fiji. fiji brought a performance per watt increase so polaris compared to fiji will be more like 2.1 - 2.2x performance per watt.
so with amd admitting similar gains, nvidia's 2x is reasonable.
>>54104434
pascal will be atleast 50% faster, wait and possibly wait another year for HBM memory on lower level consumer cards
>>54107469
Hi Pajeet
>>54107617
there have been very little 1070 / 1080 rumor's. most of the few rumors have speculated that the 1080 will have around the performance of a 980 ti.
the latest "3dmark" benchmark "leaks" showed a unknown "8gb card" achieving a similar performance score of a decently overclocked 980 ti. most of the "leaked" rumors have the 1080 having 8gb of gddr5 with the 1070 having a 7.5gb of vram.
>>54108091
>>54108200
pretty much this
>>54108252
nvidia isn't putting hbm on anything except the "1080 ti and titan" pascal chips.
1070 and 1080 might get gddr5x.
>>54108025
Whoa, wait. MY 285 started turning off and on just this last week, too.
>>54107617
I think the 1070 will perform 5% slower or the same as the 980ti, but with more VRAM. It might even be faster, who knows. We haven't had a die shrink in a while.
>>54109608
Overclocked, sure, but everything else is just wishful thinking.
We don't even know the base clock characteristics of any of these new cards. The only thing we know about Polaris is that some engineering samples MIGHT be running 800Mhz, and even that is from a purported SiSoft Sandra bench with numbers that don't make any sense.
Will my i5 4460 bottleneck a 1070? Well to put things in perspective, would it bottleneck a GTX 980 ti? I hope not..
Also, what kind of price can I expect from the 1070? 350? 300?
>>54109631
I don't think it's fair to compare the jump from Kepler to Maxwell to the jump we'll see from Maxwell to Pascal. I expect at least a slightly higher performance jump compared to Kepler-Maxwell, especially if they're using gddr5x.
>>54108000
The only DX11 game my 390x had trouble with was Fallout 4, which was completely fixed with a mod
>>54109650
Might be worth bumping it up the 4590.
>>54109650
It won't hold your card back too much if at all, but you'd definitely see better performance with an i7 6700k overclocked to 4.6Ghz for example, especially in CPU intensive games. It's not so much that your CPU will hold your card back, it'll hold you back in general. By how much? Entirely depends on the game. In Battlefield 4 multiplayer for example you'll lose 20-40+ fps at 1080p compared to someone with an overclocked i5 or i7. Does that mean your card is literally running slower because of your CPU? No, it just means that the game would run better if you had a better CPU simply because it can make use of those extra clock speeds and cores.
I think pairing a GTX 980ti tier card with anything lower than a 4690k with a decent overclock doesn't make much sense. If you can spend over $600 on such a good GPU, you might as well spend $100 more on a better CPU (includes cooling and overclocking motherboard).
>>54109815
That was my thinking with my build. I'm hoping to hit a modest 4.5 with my i7 6700k just on a single-fan CM 212 EVO in a well-fanned full ATX tower.
>>54109745
Dumbass. It's not worth it to get another locked CPU. If anything, he should sell his CPU and motherboard and get an unlocked chip and overclock it to ~4.5Ghz, but that's only if he cares those few dozen frames in CS GO, Battlefield or whatever he plays.
>>54109850
It's not so much the extra threads that help games perform better, it's simply the fact that people overclock their unlocked chips to 4.5+Ghz, some even 4.8-5Ghz. An i5 4460 is held back by its fairly low clock speed of 3.2Ghz. An unlocked i5 at 4.5Ghz is a 40% increase in clock speed. That doesn't necessarily mean 40% increase in performance, but it's still fairly significant.
>>54109650
It will, since it's bottlenecking my 390x
>>54109856
You're right. If anything, he should plop down a lot more cash for a new CPU if he's willing to throw down for a 980ti or a Pascal card.
>>54109908
Not a lot more, just $100 more for an unlocked i5, decent air cooler and a z87/97/170 motherboard. There's generally no need to get an i7 6700k or 5820k, but going from 3.2Ghz to potentially 4.6Ghz+ is definitely worth it.
>>54109985
>>54109896
Does overclocking means I can make my cpu more relevant for a longer time, like 2 years?
>>54104536
Sure will! After Nvidia gimps the 900's like they did the 700's :)
the quadro M6000 has 24 gigabytes of ECCVRAM. don't wait.
>>54107850
Actually its for dirt rally @ 4k
OP, to summarize, I think that, if you can wait another couple months, then wait. Prices will drop (probably) once Pascal arrives in (maybe) June (or July [or August]). If you can't wait, and have at least some moderate expendable income, then yeah, just pick up the 980ti now. I did it. And I'll pick up the HBM 1080ti when it comes out later this year (or 2nd Quarter 2017).
>>54110290
>tfw a 770 beats a 960's ass and trades blow with a 960
k
>>54111668
*970
weed, amirite?
ayyyy
What's a good current mid-range card? I'll just upgrade when Pascal comes out.
>>54107834
You can get a 970 for 240 quid now
>>54104434
Wait for 980ti to come down in price and get that?
>>54111668
>>54111679
There is literally no game in existence where a 770 trades blows with a 970, or indeed even comes close to its performance. Prove me wrong, cunt.
>>54111811
GTX 970 and r9 390.
>>54110283
Yes. It's LITERALLY free performance.
So im running a i5 6500 with gtx750ti.
Although im dying to get a new card like 980ti now, im waiting for pascal.. probly will get a 980 replacement. What i want to know is will my 6500 handle a 980 replacement? I use a 1080p moniter..
Jesus you people are the worst. Remember when everyone was hyping Skylake with its new cool architecture that would BTFO every other processor on the market?
The GTX "1080" will be on par, if not ~5% better than the 980ti, just like 980 was with 780ti.
Mark my fucking words.
>>54112824
How much will the 1080 cost?
And is there a 1080ti on the way?
