Senator Feinstein is leading an effort to force encryptors to give the US government a key to their encrypted files.
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/feinstein-encryption-bill-on-track/
Personally, I don't think this is enough. We need to do more to keep America and the children safe.
1.) Ban all forms of strong encryption by civilians without a license and require all civilian strong encryption to be decryptable with a US government issued key.
2.) Restrict weak encryption only to those who have had a background check and an encryption license. Even weak encryption can be dangerous in the wrong hands and can slow down law enforcement.
3.) Regulate the development of encryption software and limit its export from the United States. We do not need America's enemies getting their hands on this stuff.
The only entity entitled to strong encryption in this country is the United States Government. If that bothers you, I suggest you move to Somalia where you can enjoy the anarchy you so desire.
Is /pol/ ever wrong?
>>54093121
/pol/ is the epitome of delusional.
>>54093121
>Feinstein
/pol/ is never wrong
>>54093099
Is this woman stupid? And who the hell keeps voting for her?
>>54093154
And yet, they're correctly predict future events over and over, like ITT. I think you may be the delusional one.
Would someone please throw a bucket of water on that woman already.
>>54093276
Every opponent she has faced in the general or primaries has been more of a lunatic then she is.
>>54093315
Can't; there's no water in California.
>>54093099
/g/ hates her
/pol/ hates her
/k/ sure as fuck hates her
Is this bitch the most hated person in U.S. government
>>54093099
i want to encrypt her pussy ;^)
Do you really NEED encryption? A simple password is enough to keep your data safe. Anything more and it really looks like you have something to hide.
You can't honestly sit there and say encryption is a good thing when pedos and terrorists use it every single day to harm people.
>>54093309
topkek
Good job on reinforcing my comment.
>>54093099
>Feinstein
I swear it's always the Jews who try to pull this shit.
>>54093099
>Feinstein
>>54093395
of course, putting encryption keys in the hands of the gubment gives then complete and unrestricted access to all banking data
>>54093099
won't ever make it through, just another stunt by feinstein.
Plus encryption has basically no barriers at all, you can't just regulate it and except it to work out.
>>54093099
the internet was better when no one over 30 has any idea what it was
now they think they know what it is because they browse facebook on their ipads, and they've learnt just enough words to be able to propose legislation that would completely destroy it
>((((Feinstein))))
oh
>>54093360
Do you even understand how computers work?
What do you think that password is for m8? Just to unlock software that reads from unencrypted data that's supposed to be locked away?
>>54093099
>Feinstein
SHALL NOT BE INFRI- wait, what are we talking about?
>>54093428
What's laughable is thinking the government will handle encryption keys properly too. They would be the target of so many attacks it's not even funny.
>>54093360
good goy
>>54093121
>>54093199
>>54093395
>>54093399
And what religious and ethnic group do you think Bruce Schneier belongs to?
>>54093362
>begging the question
>>54093533
>it's not trump on the car thing
disappointed desu
>>54093340
4chan isn't representative of the US.
Look how far ahead Clinton is compared to Sanders. Literally nobody on this site likes Clinton. People won't even like her ironically.
>>54093553
it's a meme you dip
>>54093099
This old bitch needs to hurry up and die.
>>54093099
Nice satire.
>>54093586
I've yet to meet a single person in real life to admits to liking Shillary, and I'm a web developer at a liberal company in a liberal city
>>54093586
Why are you taking about Clinton? We're talking about Diane fienstien.
>>54093553
Literally who?
>>54093099
>>54093360
The NAS encrypts its data,it had poor encryption,our based Patriot, Edward Snowden was able to get around their encryption.This is why we need strong encryption
>>54093360
t. Obama
>>54093276
>who the hell keeps voting for her?
Women.
>>54093360
>pedos
Don't pick on the pedos TIA
>>54093839
Jews 50-75
>>54093553
>Schneier
A German name, Germany is known around the world for its excelent privacy laws.
Where were you when Feinstein was cucked by the CIA?
http://www.salon.com/2014/07/31/feinstein_was_right_cia_admits_it_hacked_senate_computers/
>>54093099
>We do not need America's enemies getting their hands on this stuff.
Ahahahhahahahhahhahha.
>>54093671
Being a Democrat and a woman doesn't make someone a liberal.
>>54093881
>salon
>shows up in thread
>as suspected, it's a bunch of pedos fretting over their encrypted hordes of child porn and kiddie cartoon porn
>b-b-but muh freedums!
wouldn't that have to include encryption used for electronic payments? this would destroy internet commerce
>>54093885
>Dear Miss Obama,we of PRC is aquainted with "pubrick kiy". We want green paper of biggests sum or re orver take Amerikia"
>>54093913
It actually even include compression, no joke.
>>54093911
You're on the wrong board, dipshit.
>>>/b/
>>54093911
Who does?
>Bill passes
>underground terrorist encryption organizations pop up
>>54093909
>confusing the message with the messenger
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/07/31/336855226/cia-chief-apologizes-sens-feinstein-chambliss-over-computer-intrusion
>be feinstein
>be in charge of overseeing CIA
>investigate CIA torture, murder, and rape programs
>CIA hacks your staff to make sure you're being a good goy
>you are still the agency's biggest support
>>54093121
At best, when they are right, it's for completely backwards and incorrect reasons. Mostly though they are just fucking wrong.
>>54093911
Here's your (you).
>>54093957
>being a good goy
>((((feinstein))))
>>54093099
>feinstein -Only Educated professionals are entitled to free speech
>>54093099
>Feinstein
So, how to we got /pol/ to leave?
>>54093099
Land of the free, home of the slave.
>Feinstein
Every fucking time.
>>54093099
>Diane "Shoulder thing that goes up" Feinstein in charge of understanding encryption
>>54093839
Actually, she's what passes for conservative in San Francisco. The people you're picturing in your mind as stereotypical San Franciscans don't like her, and are not who have kept her in power all these years. Yes, women have been a key group for her, but if you think these are the same kind of women as the tumblrinas, you are very much mistaken.
>>54094259
You don't. You can get rid of the board, but never the spirit.
>>54094259
Make the world a livable place.
I sent this lady a letter and she never responded. I've gotten proper responses from Senators much more important than her. I'm a bit salty.
I think going forward we'll see more truecrypt-like hidden volume implementations.
Also I can't imagine them ever being able to enforce this on citizens, it's a clear cut 5th amendment violation.
>>54095269
>it's a clear cut 5th amendment violation.
Is the fact that you will never be able to access a woman's vagina a 5th Amendment violation?
>>54095293
I'm married, turbo nerd.
i love how scared encryption makes normies. truly, nothing is more powerful than math.
Funny thing is, the way the bill is written would put a stop to the NSA itself
>mfw
>>54093099
Fuck off America, you're the reason we can't have nice things. You already have export restrictions on cryprography and now you want backdoors as well? Just because you're paranoid about terrorists doesn't mean you have to fuck this up for the rest of us. Besides, if you do this there's nothing stopping the terrorists from implementing thier own encryption while america will be stuck using insecure encryption.
>>54095293
your post reeks of femishit
>>54093343
>implying anyone wants to touch that
>>54093099
>3.) Regulate the development of encryption software and limit its export from the United States. We do not need America's enemies getting their hands on this stuff.
This already happened to some degree.
>>54093276
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEpqlgAlvA8
>>54093099
what if i code my own encryption?
>>54095413
>he thinks congressional approval ratings aren't <5%
>he thinks Americans don't live in a kangaroo democracy where the elites just don't reach in and swap out pieces if they don't like the game
Anyone who doesn't play ball with the oligarchy is shut out of the system. Last time, it was Paul. This time, it'll be Bernie.
>>54096607
Then you're an idiot.
>>54096833
>encryption is illegal
>nowhere to get encryption
>only possible option is to make your own
>>54093590
Bullshit. /pol/babbys has jews on their "brains".
>>54093099
>>54096764
Don't compare Paul with Sanders, please. It doesn't matter if he's a closet nazi or if he's too "nice" to draw a line in the sand. Either way he's unfit for command.
>>54093099
>>54096851
Rule number one of encryption is
>Don't roll your own encryption
Seriously, no joke. Unless you are actually a team of math PhDs with a few years of spare time, and even then you might not succeed, you'll just write something most nation-states will laugh at when they crack it.
>banning math
>>54096833
Lol what? If the only option is to roll your own non-backdoored encryption than american idiots will be vulnerable to script kiddies while "muh terrorists" implement their own crypto.
>>54097007
>"muh terrorists" implement their own crypto
>implying existing crypto disappears when it is made illegal
>>54093343
>using the smiley with a carat nose
>>54096956
Nope. Rule #1 of crypto is: the enemy knows your system. Implementing an existing non-backdoored algorithm is trivial anyways.
>>54097022
They will probably just implement an existing algorithm because existing implementations of said algorithm can't be trusted once the government fucks with them.
>>54097055
>Implementing an existing non-backdoored algorithm
That's not rolling your own encryption, you know what I meant
Someone please start an armed revolution for the sole purpose of putting a 2 term limit on seats in congress.
The feinstein era is getting a little old.
>We need to ban scary looking guns, but not the ones actually used in crime aka handguns, the lobbying is too strong there. Better to restrict freedom and claim to have achieved our goals than achieve our goals.
>I don't understand it, but it's probably terrorists and pedophiles, so the government must be magical and be able to turn everything to the favor of the US with no ill effects
>hey guys, if a truck runs over a lane-blocking cyclist going 3mph, the cyclist is more likely to die. what if we started transporting all US domestic goods in fleets of priuses?
>>54093099
>feinstein
Oy vey
>>54096918
I agree. All white women are racially sheltered and should be comfort women for war-traumatized immigrants so they can become more tolerant.
>>54093839
And other jews
>>54093099
>Feinstein
E.F.T.
>>54093099
I vote YES, americunts are too private and they are hiding something.
>>54093099
>Feinstein
god damn it, /pol/
By the time they pass meaningful encryption laws quantum computers are going to break everything, then they will be crying about that. Remember that politicians are only the will of the people and corporations.
>>54096888
>>54093099
>muricans
Never forget
>>54093099
If you know anything about encryption you'd know that you can't just ban or regulate encryption; it's pretty much just a mathematical concept. It's like telling a country they're not allowed to use integration or differentiation without proper permission from a government. You could with little amount of work write a program to encrypt files for you that has millions more combinations then there are atoms in the universe.
The only worrying part of this would be companies being forced/strong armed into creating back doors into their technology for use of law enforcement. Not only does that put your information in the arms of law enforcement but it also gives an opportunity for anyone looking for a backdoor to find one. But companies have probably already been doing this for awhile without us knowing to be honest and this whole thing (at the moment) is no real concern to a day to day consumer.
>>54096888
>>54097371
The laws will implement and impose stiff sentences on those who are found to use encryption.
It doesn't matter if you make your own. You are in possession of encrypted material and you dont have an encryption license, you get minimum 5 years up to 25.
That was easy.
>>54093099
>Hates guns
>Hates gays(?)
>Hates marijuana
>Hates encryption
>Loves mass surveillance
Is there anything good about her?
>>54093099
EFFBro says it nothing to worry about.
I'm not concerned.
>>54097445
That will never pass, simple as that.
And if (the 0.00001% chance becomes true) it was to pass people would just rebel or move countries until it was revoked.
>>54096888
>>54097344
>>54097399
USURIOUS DIGITS
>>54093360
>A simple password
Sure FAMER allow me to use a bootable USB drive to read all your files and/or remove you hard drive to see them.
>>54093099
Okay one important question
How the fuck would the government know if a file is encrypted or not? Technically an encrypted file and a non encrypted file both are just a collection of bytes, how would the government know one collection of bytes is not what it seems?
>(((Feinstein)))
>>54097445
I give you two files, one encrypted and the other not
How do you know which one is encrypted?
>>54097768
>>54097813
Gee, I guess the government would have to read all your files. Who would have guessed?
>>54097829
>Gee, I guess the government would have to read all your files. Who would have guessed?
No you dont get it
Even if you give them your whole harddrive, they have no way of differentiating between the two, unless the read every file and consider every file with a non recognizable file signature encrypted, which is retarded since there are obviously binary files with raw data
In short there's no way they can implement this
>>54097867
That doesn't necessarily matter much, what they want is a charge they can slap someone with if they can't prove what they want to use in court, or if what the person did is not against the law.
>>54093099
Bruce Schneier basically called this woman a moron for banning not only encryption, but compression and deletion of files.
This is the same senator that wants to take your guns, Americans. If your guns are there to keep your Government in check, when the fuck are you going to use them?
NSA, neoliberal financial cuckery, PC neotalk, worthless money, data caps (LOL), banker bailouts, SJW and racist politics, rampant debt and prison industries, police state...
Is the second amendment, after all, just a meme? Nobody's putting their guns to use, except to show off on imageboards, so they might as well take them away.
>>54097481
>people would just rebel or move countries
You realize this is the US, right?
>>54097774
if I used that plugin, would I immediately go on a watchlist?
Why is Feinstein not making any efforts to ban terrorists? Does she care not for the American people?
Daily reminder that the US doesn't give a shit about fighting terrorism anymore than they cared about fighting Communism.
>http://fas.org/irp/agency/dod/dsb/commun.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwj_8I3S85fMAhUJRiYKHTlIAGMQFgggMAA&usg=AFQjCNG332f5orA_C6LW11mqYnw8ro0AbQ&sig2=tp3Jc0Gd-QEA6S1wEaG5zQ
>>54098523
That is to say that the US fully understands, and has understood for 60 years, the source of Muslim outrage towards the US. It does nothing to alleviate the cause, and actively aggrieves the situation regularly. If the objective of the war on terrorism was to defeat islamic terrorism, then they would be attacking theses causes, not flooding the region's tyrants with arms and destabilizing opposition countries in the region.
>>54093099
>the problem with democracy: a photo
Why is it legal for an ignorant old bitch like Feinstein to be in a position where she has any say in laws related to technology?
The last piece of technology this cunt understood was used in the Civil War. The computer she grew up with was Charles Babbage's Difference Engine. Nobody gives a shit about her out of date stupid fucking opinions.
Somebody needs to explain to her, using the same tone that I'm using in this post, that she has nothing of value to say on technology ever.
What's next? Advice from Hillary on securing an email server?
>>54096956
>rules for plebs
Your rule exists because of all the idiots who think they can transpose some letters and have a decent encryption scheme. Not because implementing proven formulas is difficult.
You need a team of math PhDs to figure out the formula.
You just need to be a good programmer to implement an existing formula.
Plenty of documentation on things like AES256. It's not that hard to implement properly.
Also: the Vernam cipher is logistically difficult for anything other than short communications. But it's trivial to code. And the only algorithm that is truly unbreakable even if we invent quantum supercomputers.
>>54093099
You should die. That includes the people who writes your dirty jew check. FAGGOTS SPEWING ZIONIST PROPAGANDA on 4chan are always spotted.
>>54097445
>what is steganography
Information wants to be free, even the government can't stop it. When you prohobit an activity it goes underground, just look at the war on drugs! Why should the cryptowars be any different? Encryption will be driven underground so that only criminals are protected by it while the masses are left vulnerable.
>>54098675
She was thinking about money while she was listening to her tech advisors.
If anyone even advised her, since she probably spends all her time counting money and flirting with lobbyists.
>>54099139
Something that people need to understand about politicians is that they're educated about technology by lobbyists. They watch simplistic little cartoons that show them that pedos and terrorists will blow up the world if they're allowed to have privacy and that's what they base their decisions on.
Instead of complaining on internet message boards, write a fucking letter. Not an email since these guys don't really use email.
>>54098597
Exactly. In stead of analysing what the US says, we should look at what they do. And what they do is increase surveillance, militarize the police force and protect the interests of big corporations. Terrorism is a very good exuse for most of the above, so the US actually needs more of it and not less.
>>54099196
When hilary wins the 2016 election, there are going to be a lot of angry people.
I try to tell people; you think these anti-terror laws are for muslims?
They're for you, when you find out that you lost democracy years ago.
>>54099196
Forgot to mention TSA and anti-piracy laws. Enjoy your freedoms America.
We need a ban on fully automatic assault encryption immediately.
>>54099185
True. Lobbying should be illegal again. I recently found this article and I couldn't believe this about USA history:
>http://priceonomics.com/when-lobbying-was-illegal/
>>54099196
Not to mention private security/military companies that are on the rise. War has always been a great business for a large number of Western and Israeli companies. The same goes for infosec now, and now we see private security companies blooming because of the refugees and "le terrorist" crisis.
>assault rifles
ok :-DDDD blease dont shoot up sghool :-DD
>encryption
you will pay for your crimmes against Uncle Sam gommie :-DDDDDDD
This and most of this Thread. We, the people of the world laugh at this stupid idea in the US. Enjoy your "Freedums" when She gets her bills passed. meanwhile CHina will sell her crap to EU and rest of world with Huge profits.
>Americans can go to jail for playing a DVD on GNU/Linux
Greatest country on Earth?
>>54093099
The best way to stifle future developments in encryption is to regulate it. This would in turn, make America less secure than ever, and move innovation offshore. If you want to see your empire crumble, you're right on track.
>>54097242
This but unironically
living in the UK I am proud that we have laws that make it so police can force you to give them your encryption keys, the fact is most people who use encryption are doing very bad things... watching CP, terrorism. I've seen people even on /g/ who say that they use encryption to keep their files safe etc. But we all know that's not true, members of /g/ aren't important enough. Keep your Microsoft Windows up to date and use Norton Anti-virus and you don't have to worry about viruses or hackers ever again
>>54099380
Let's say senators have no idea what the consequences of this draft would be.
>they will never be the same
Who would want to cripple USA economy and security this much and would have the means to do so?
That hacker 4chan should hack and expose everything unencrypted he can find, just to show the public how dangerous cleartext is.
>>54099475
RLy ? u bait. My work of art is for personal business, no geverment is allowed to get to these. Its doesnt matter if YOU or the Shitheads of state decide my shit is shit. Its mine and for my eyes only. Encryption for live. understand 1 thing. It will be there and forever. Noone can prevent us from using 1337 lvl encryption.
>>54099548
This won't pass, it's too retarded. But Americans should keep an eye on the next law because that one will be "more reasonable" and will try to regulate encryption to some degree and everyone will say "well, at least it's better than the last one, let's get ourself cucked in moderate dose!"
>mfw in near future we will have to go to SJWs to protect our "cyborg" identities, so that the government can't make us decrypt our encrypted memory implants.
>mfw we have to start hacking the "muh delicate identity" game
As somebody who live in NC, please also call Burr out, as he co sponsored this with her.
Both of them also did CISA together.
Also i'm mad as fuck all of these companies and celeberties are pulliing out of NC over the LGBT law but none of them are calling burr or this shit out.
especially fucking paypal of all companies, when their HQ is in a country where being gay is literally illegal and when their whole fucking company completely depends on secure encryption.
>>54095356
I only just discovered how powerful it is.
Literally every financial institution could be brought to it's knees by technocrats.
Fortunately, they've been kind... so far...
>thinking 80 year olds able to understand modern technology
>putting 80 year olds in charge of anything
>>54097445
>It doesn't matter if you make your own. You are in possession of encrypted material and you dont have an encryption license, you get minimum 5 years up to 25.
This is the same shit they've done to curb the corporatocracy. Eventually, they were forced to give them legroom because the economy required it (regulation actually hindered it)
Of course, that never took into account the effect on the people. The people are now near slaves unless you have business or technological knowhow.
>>54099475
Pip pip cheerio! 0.01 quid has been deposited in your wealth accumulation deposit, Nigel Throttlebottom.
>>54099812
it is almost as if "diversity" is just a PR stunt, eh?
>>54099970
"Old people thinking" needs to be recognized as a mental illness. It should be treated by education and nostalgia bashing.
If an old person thinks as a mentally old person and it's shown by failing some "young mind" test, they should be put into a home and their possessions distributed as if they were dead.
If they are too powerful politically and keep their influence and connections, lapot should be performed on them. The first test should be performed when a person is 40 years old.
Similar thing should be done to keep infantile people legally underage. If you don't pass the test at 18, you can try every year. If you are inane, you shouldn't be able to drive, vote, have money and legal adults engaging in sexual relations with you should be arrested.
I don't like when /pol/ leaks onto other boards, but it can't be helped when it's EVERY DAMN TIME
>>54100371
Yeah. They don't want to lose customers, so they are as open as possible when it comes to individual liberties.
But they all depend on security and encryption. I don't get why they aren't doing something about it yet.
>>54093099
>Feinstein
Colour me surprised
>>54100524
What are you talking about? This is the most important tech-related thread right now.
It's about encryption. Also, this law would change the direction in which technology is developing.
Sorry it's not another /g/izmo thread.
>>54100567
>but I'm a liberal and she has a D next to her name, so any criticism is surely just right-wing fanatics
>>54100611
I hate this mentality. /pol/ is the David Icke of 4chan - it's deluded as fuck, but it is observant too.
Like Icke sees schemes and conspiracies and blames fucking lizard people for it, so does /pol/ put it everything through its racist filter. But they are able to sometimes see trouble others don't care about until it's too late.
When /pol/ says "kikes are taking away our encryption", /g/ should be concerned about encryption.
When /pol/ says "lel it's because ur mom burnin' le coal top kek cuck", /g/ should direct them back to /pol/.
